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posted by takyon on Monday January 07 2019, @04:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the low-res dept.

LG has announced its TV lineup in the lead-up to the 2019 Consumer Electronics Show (CES) next week. As in other recent years, the company has split its lineup between LCD and OLED models, and the OLED models are generally the most interesting. This year, LG's OLEDs and certain high-end LCD TVs will support HDMI 2.1, allowing them to display 4K content at 120Hz over HDMI.

HDMI 2.1 is also relevant for the emerging 8K TV category, as the previous version of HDMI only allowed 8K at 30 frames per second (fps). LG will introduce two 8K TVs—the 88-inch Z9 OLED TV and the 75-inch SM99 LCD TV—that can handle 60Hz content at the full 8K resolution over HDMI. Samsung announced its first mass-market 8K TV in late 2018, and it was limited to 30Hz. Granted, there is virtually no 60Hz 8K content available in most markets, and very little 120Hz 4K content. But that could change as TVs like these come to market.

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Samsung's 2019 TVs to support Apple iTunes, AirPlay 2

Samsung and Apple are making nice -- at least when it comes to video.

Samsung's on Sunday said its 2019 line of smart TVs will offer support for iTunes movie and TV shows beginning this spring. The launch could coincide with the expected unveiling of Apple's long-rumored video streaming service, which is expected to make an appearance early this year.

The iTunes support will allow Samsung TV owners in more than 100 countries to access their iTunes library or buy and rent iTunes video content through their TVs. The support marks the first time iTunes movies and TV shows are being made available on a streaming video device that isn't made by Apple or isn't a PC. The capability will also be made available to 2018 models through a firmware update, Samsung said.


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Just like with any other major transitions, the shift to 8K Ultra HD TVs will require not only new display panels (and even new display technologies), new cables, and new media, but also new codecs as well as new SoCs. To this end, Realtek demonstrated its first platform for 8K televisions and Ultra HD set-top-boxes/players at Computex.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @04:21AM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @04:21AM (#783018)

    I might be interested in one of these tvs, but I am sure it will be "smart". So I will stick with projectors, where this trend hasn't hit yet.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @05:11AM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @05:11AM (#783044)

      "...I will stick with projectors, where this trend hasn't hit yet."

      -

      The above post should be modded up.

      A TV which can spy on its owner is not a TV a thinking person will want to own, period.

      All this "smart" gadgetry being embraced by people who are supposedly intelligent proves that a brain which is not used for independent critical thought is of little benefit to its owner.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @03:42PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @03:42PM (#783211)

        I 100% agree. I just want a TV with modern display resolutions (4k, etc.), and none of the "smart" stuff. The 1080p TVs I have are fine for now, but when I need to replace them, I'd like to replace them wit TV's, not some smart device. Just give me a TV, please.

        • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday January 07 2019, @05:56PM

          by Freeman (732) on Monday January 07 2019, @05:56PM (#783269) Journal

          What you need to do is look for the cheapest TV with the features you want, say FreeSync, 1080p, or whatever, and buy that. It's almost guaranteed not to have the extra "smart features." Since, they are trying to squeeze every penny of profit out of said TV. My new TV may be a new Projector instead, though. I'm looking at a low cost 720p projector as a possible option to replace my current 720p LCD TV. Well, possibly more of a, 2nd Display to play around with things.

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          Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by WizardFusion on Monday January 07 2019, @06:56PM (4 children)

        by WizardFusion (498) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 07 2019, @06:56PM (#783293) Journal

        You don't have to connect it to your network. Just plug in power and HDMI (or whatever) and leave ethernet/wireless off.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by everdred on Monday January 07 2019, @07:28PM (3 children)

          by everdred (110) on Monday January 07 2019, @07:28PM (#783312) Journal

          Yep, this is what I was going to say... and what I recently did with my new "smart" TV.

          I connected to the internet just to check for system updates and planned to shut off WiFi afterwards. I found that my TV in particular doesn't give you a way to shut off WiFi (or to remove all WiFi connections — it forces you to keep one) once you've connected one, but fortunately the "switch" was just a factory reset away.

          Another such, less drastic solution, would have been changing my WiFi password. On second thought, that's probably more drastic.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @09:12PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @09:12PM (#783375)

            I don't trust it if it has any type of radio. How do you know its not connecting somehow?

            • (Score: 2) by arslan on Tuesday January 08 2019, @12:53AM

              by arslan (3462) on Tuesday January 08 2019, @12:53AM (#783488)

              Wrap some tinfoil over it?... or maybe block it at your router, change your wpa key, etc. If it has a camera, put some duct tape or pokemon stickers over it, etc. It is ironic though, that these are paid features that we have to then disable...

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 09 2019, @04:47PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 09 2019, @04:47PM (#784164)

              What about HDMI-CEC? There are a lot of other nasty ways for bidirectional communication to your 'smart' TV to take place.

              Even scarier, the 'dumb' TVs now are STILL running linux, meaning that there are vectors to attack, spy, etc even if your TV is 'dumb', they are just not as obvious thanks to the alternative technologies in use. Technologies even most techies haven't heard or thought about.

              Personally I've just taken to using VGA connectors until I finally upgrade to 2160p which resolves both DRM and bidirectional communications issues. In face the only concern left is identifying values in the EDID. Combined with usb devices, video card, cpu, motherboard, and hard disks, you are probably leaking far more 'irrefutable proof' of your computer identity than you would like, not including if your smart tv/monitor is spying on you as well.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday January 07 2019, @05:17AM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday January 07 2019, @05:17AM (#783046) Journal

      Projectors aren't just getting "smart", they're getting voice assistants:

      http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2018/12/new-cinebeam-laser-4k-projector-from-lg-with-ultra-short-throw-technology-debuts-at-ces-2019/ [lgnewsroom.com]

      Which shouldn't be a huge surprise. If the "smart" technology can be put into a $20 HDMI computer, it can be put into any new projector.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @05:41AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @05:41AM (#783054)

        I dont see any smart stuff here:
        https://www.optoma.com/us/product/4k550/ [optoma.com]

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Monday January 07 2019, @07:13AM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday January 07 2019, @07:13AM (#783075) Journal

        Too bad they don't sell these as plain old monitors, without even an antenna hookup.

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        La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @04:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @04:22AM (#783019)

    We have a ways to go after 8K.

  • (Score: 2) by KilroySmith on Monday January 07 2019, @04:44AM (5 children)

    by KilroySmith (2113) on Monday January 07 2019, @04:44AM (#783033)

    >>> But that could change as TVs like these come to market.

    Sure. We'll get lots of Netflix movies at 8K/60fps and 4K/120fps. All of them compressed to fit in a tiny communications channel, giving an effective resolution of 1K.

    What good is a pixel if you can't see it?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by driverless on Monday January 07 2019, @05:02AM

      by driverless (4770) on Monday January 07 2019, @05:02AM (#783038)

      It's not meant for you, it's meant for vendors. If they can't come up with some new tech bling every few years, they wouldn't be able to convince a quite sizeable and very profitable subset of the population to throw out perfectly good devices and buy expensive new ones that do the same thing, but with bigger numbers on the packaging.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @06:15AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @06:15AM (#783061)

      shut up. I want this desktop resolution because I need many terminals plus rendered latex plus figures at the same time, so I need the pixels.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Monday January 07 2019, @09:31AM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday January 07 2019, @09:31AM (#783092) Homepage Journal

        My daughter has a very nice figure. She’s got the best body.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday January 07 2019, @09:41AM (1 child)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday January 07 2019, @09:41AM (#783096) Homepage
        I prefer to view xterms and LATex rendered at 240fps rather than a mere 120fps, so shall be waiting for the next generation.
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        Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @10:24AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @10:24AM (#783107)

          I did read the comment half an hour after posting, and I admit it sounds sarcastic.
          but I'm being honest here. I really do find my 3840x2160 resolution screen to be much better for my usecase of many terminals than previous displays.
          I am using Terminus for these terminals. if I had twice the resolution, I could start using proportional fonts...

  • (Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday January 07 2019, @05:53AM

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Monday January 07 2019, @05:53AM (#783055)

    Because it still works, and crap TV programs in high resolution are still crap.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by MostCynical on Monday January 07 2019, @06:20AM (6 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Monday January 07 2019, @06:20AM (#783062) Journal

    help me, LG, my current TV fits in my living room!
    What I really need iis a TV so large it doesn't fit in my house!

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    "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by hedleyroos on Monday January 07 2019, @08:58AM (5 children)

      by hedleyroos (4974) on Monday January 07 2019, @08:58AM (#783088)

      If you live in a high crime country like I do then a giant TV is great because it's virtually theft proof - it can't fit through the front door or into any vehicle. At least that's what I keep telling myself.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Rivenaleem on Monday January 07 2019, @09:06AM (4 children)

        by Rivenaleem (3400) on Monday January 07 2019, @09:06AM (#783089)

        What about a high Spite neighbourhood? When the criminal sees your massive screen they just tip it over onto the floor.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Monday January 07 2019, @10:46AM (2 children)

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday January 07 2019, @10:46AM (#783110) Homepage Journal

          They have the LCD. And, they have the OLED. The LCD, it's a VERY VERY THIN glass. Just a big sheet of very special glass. Very easy to break that one. Somebody tips it over, as you say. The kids get maybe a little too wild, they throw something at it. Or possibly you get a little too wild with your lady. Or ladies. No more TV. You still have a TV. But, it only shows Modern Art -- Piet Mondrian. It's not Piet Mondrian. But, it looks like it is. And that's something nobody wants.

          The OLED, they don't need glass for that. They can make that one with ZERO glass. 100% Plastic. And you don't want to be too rough with it. But, it tips over onto the Carpet, possibly O.K. The kids are playing baseball, possibly O.K. You get busy with that sexy lady, possibly O.K. Because it's Plastic bumping against Plastic. And they're always talking about, they want to do the TV that rolls up. "Like a newspaper." They say newspaper. Do you remember newspapers? They've been talking about that one for a long time. But, it doesn't happen. But if it happens it will happen with the OLED. Not the LCD. Because, very hard to roll up a sheet of glass.

          LG, by the way, you ALWAYS ALWAYS want the OLED. NEVER the LCD. The OLED doesn't last so long. And, it's more money. But, LG is SO HORRIBLE with their LCD! They pick the worst Panels, so ugly!! You want the LCD, get it from someone else. Not LG. Or you'll be very sorry. OLED, you won't go wrong with LG. That one looks fantastic. Absolutely fantastic.

          I'll tell you, I'm working very hard on the TVs. We're going to have some fabulous TVs. With Panels from beautiful Kenosha, Wisconsin. The new plant being built by Foxconn is incredible. And I picked the site. Used to be the AMC factory. If you remember the AMC automobile. Otherwise known as American Motors. Great name but they had a very tough time. They didn't do a limo. And so many of their cars were very small. Which, some folks like them small. Well, the Japanese made them even smaller. And absolutely killed AMC, so sad. Well, I was in my helicopter. Flying with Reince who, very proudly, was raised in Wisconsin. And I said to him, "why is all that land vacant? That land should be used!" And I called Terry Gou of Taiwan. Of Foxconn. I called Former Governor Scott Walker. Who, at the time he was the Governor. And we pulled it off. Congratulations to the people of Wisconsin and to President Trump for making a tremendous deal. Great job!!!!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @03:39PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 07 2019, @03:39PM (#783205)

          That's when I come home early and put two in their chests and one in their heads, after which I put a knife which cannot be traced to me in their hands
          and THEN I call the police.

          Castle doctrine is a beautiful thing.

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