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posted by martyb on Friday January 11 2019, @10:36PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-would-YOU-do? dept.

Got a contingency plan for men with guns showing up at your cubicle and ordering you to re-route traffic to please the government?

Section 606 of the 1934 Communications Act provides for government takeover of wired and radio communication in the event of war or "other national emergency".

I'm not saying anything will happen in the next few days. Trump's state of emergency might be just talk. It might be limited to its stated purpose. It's rare for actual disasters to happen.

You've got a disaster recovery plan (DRP), though. If it's not in the next few days, a "national emergency" problem might show up sometime down the road. Does your DRP cover it?

It's hard to imagine a technical solution. This may require the company lawyer to prepare a [Layer 8] contingency plan in advance.


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  • (Score: 2, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Friday January 11 2019, @10:41PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday January 11 2019, @10:41PM (#785269) Journal

    It's rare for actual disasters to happen.

    Not really... Take a look for yourself. [fema.gov]

    Now, compare that list to what Trump is claiming is a disaster. One of these things is not like the other....

    "What we're not looking to do right now is national emergency, I’m not going to do it so fast.” - Donald J Trump, TODAY

    One thing I know about disasters is that there's no real hurry to address them.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @10:47PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @10:47PM (#785273)

    Why hasn't the recall process started yet for every Republican leader in Congress?

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:02PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:02PM (#785280)

      It's not just the Republicans. Both parties are controlled by the Masters of the Universe, as they think of themselves. I wrote a little bit yesterday about what happened in my original timeline. When President Hillary Clinton effectively declared martial law, she was able to ban content from any internet platform that had a business presence in the USA. It started with Facebook and Twitter, but it rapidly expanded. It wasn't until the Battle of Anchorage that the USA, EU, and Commonwealth nations surrounded themselves with a "big, beautiful" firewall.

      This timeline is not too different, all in all. The dates are different, other details like the person in the Oval Office of course, but that's divergence for you. This one's more entertaining I'll admit, like I am looking at things in a funhouse mirror, darkly.

      unless

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:51AM (3 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:51AM (#785319) Journal

        Was that before, or after, Killary powered up to Super-Clinton 2 and destroyed the Whitehouse with a Keoken X 3 email blast?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:29AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:29AM (#785329)

          I remember how excited everybody was when we elected the first female president. I was not old enough to vote at the time, but I was with her, as the slogan went.

          We have to remember that even though she approved the first strike on N-day, a presidential administration is not just one woman. She was surrounded by men, and men have shown throughout history that they have no problem salting... or irradiating... the Earth.

          I had hoped that I would be able to find evidence that might rehabilitate her in 2042, perhaps something that was buried and then lost on N-day. EMPs are not gentle on digital data. A timeline complete with all of the major events that many people blame Clinton for personally, without her being involved, is more than I could have hoped for.

          Keep a spare gas can. Things do get better, but they will get worse first.

          unless

          • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:38AM (1 child)

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:38AM (#785332) Journal

            I would play this RPG.

            • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:47AM

              by Sulla (5173) on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:47AM (#785373) Journal

              Its also a book called Seveneves by Neal Stephenson, it was terrible.

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      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:44AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:44AM (#785350)

        Both parties are controlled by the Masters of the Universe

        Hey, Skelator, leave He Man out of this.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Friday January 11 2019, @11:54PM (2 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday January 11 2019, @11:54PM (#785300) Journal

      Ya had that chance in November, you dolt! What the hell you think a recall will do?

      As for backup plans. Only ad hoc mesh networks can survive.

      And if Trump does declare martial law, which he appears mad enough to do, pray for an insurrection from the generals! They are our last hope against real disaster.

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      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:51AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:51AM (#785378)

        > teh generals

        If they are like former general kelly, they are so down with the white power agenda that they will lead the way.

        BTW, fox news is the officially designated news channel to be piped into public TVs on military bases. Its been that way for many years now. We should expect that a scary big portion of the military have been indoctrinated with the anti-american white-nationalist propaganda.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by fustakrakich on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:01AM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:01AM (#785384) Journal

          Too bad if people think I'm a loon, but there's trouble ahead.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:18AM (2 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:18AM (#785326) Journal

      Recall Wakup Wok up Call

      FTFY. You're wallcome.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by RandomFactor on Friday January 11 2019, @10:53PM (14 children)

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 11 2019, @10:53PM (#785277) Journal

    31 currently in effect. Full list of all 31 and when declared.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/trump-wall-active-national-emergency/index.html [cnn.com]

    Clinton declared the most, Obama next, and GW third.

    Trump is in line with Bush's rate currently and lags far behind Clinton's.

    Trump has an uncanny knack for drawing the spotlight to abuses that have been in place for ages. That's actually a good thing if we manage to eliminate some of them.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:09AM (8 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:09AM (#785305)

      Almost all of those 31 do not qualify as "national emergency" in my book. The terminology is really suspect, and just a way for the Prez to go around the slow Congress.

      More importantly, can I mod this whole topic "stupid" ? It's completely nonsensical conspiracy/panic/paranoid crap with no basis in potential reality : state of emergency (deploying the guns) is not national emergency/crisis.
      Martyb is usually very discerning with what he lets through, so I guess the cat jumped on the keyboard.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:35AM (4 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:35AM (#785331) Homepage

        If I recall correctly, NCommander became a radio ham. I have a license, just never used it. When shit hits the fan, perhaps having a shortwave radio will allow one to communicate with the outside world.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:22AM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:22AM (#785364) Journal

          communicate with the outside world

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjt-xRkjFaY [youtube.com]

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by anubi on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:34AM (1 child)

          by anubi (2828) on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:34AM (#785369) Journal

          And learn the Morse code....

          So you can use "QRP" low power technology so you can communicate worldwide with like five watts of power.

            Humongous antennas and massive transmitted power will only attract woe to your house.

          In such a scenario, you will need to communicate " under the radar", setting up wherever you can, run off a car battery, and may have to use any part of the spectrum you find clear enough to use.

          You may be little more than a cricket, but just stay out of the recording studio, that is don't call attention to yourself by stepping where you mess up other peoples stuff.

          You won't have much bandwidth, but you can have range. We do similar with our deep space probes...

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          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 14 2019, @09:29AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 14 2019, @09:29AM (#786382)

            ban?

            I couldn't find the article upon further searching, but I remember seeing an accusation with citations about that in the past few months that stated LimeSDRs and other transmit capable SDR units were going to be banned in the US for both regular and HAM purchase. Maybe that was fake, but if it wasn't, can someone re-link the provided story to prove/disprove it?

            A few transmit capable SDRs kept in a bugout box and you can get whatever you need done wherever you need to do it with nothing more than the right antenna frequency shifter, and protocol profile.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @10:03AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @10:03AM (#785440)

          If I recall correctly, NCommander became a radio ham.

          Is it better than radio bacon...errrr... beacon?

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:10AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:10AM (#785340) Journal

        You might want to mod it silly. Cubicle creatures don't make policy, they don't make contingency plans, or whatever.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:50AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:50AM (#785377)

          When I was relegated from the lab to the cubicle, I found I no longer did much of anything.

          Its damn hard work to make a meaningful sounding report of the nothing I am getting done while I am dutifully at my desk, while my tools regain idle in the lab. The corporate name for this is "leadership", while any attempts I may make to do the things I am good at would only be reported as " insubordination".

          Only corporate investment executives using other peoples money or governments can afford to do things this way.

          Not even as much as take a shit.

          Which I could have done on the bathroom stall, which wasn't much smaller.

      • (Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:30AM

        by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:30AM (#785346) Journal

        More importantly, can I mod this whole topic "stupid" ? It's completely nonsensical conspiracy/panic/paranoid crap with no basis in potential reality

        +1 Agree

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:41AM (4 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:41AM (#785314) Journal

      Oh noes, other president declared emergencies too?!?!

      Lets take a look.....

      You're right! There is absolutely no difference between these two emergency declarations:

      Iran, y'know, the "Death to America" guys, are on the cusp of creating nuclear weapons.
      What could possibly go wrong: Stick a nuke in a shipping container and detonate it in a US port.

      vs.

      The southern US border, where illegal crossings are at their lowest point in decades, still has some illegal crossings.
      What could possibly go wrong: A brown person trades his labor for money (and pays sales tax).

      THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:49AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:49AM (#785351)

        THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME

        Well, the offending parties are a very similar shade of non-white and both speak non-English.

      • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:54AM (1 child)

        by Sulla (5173) on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:54AM (#785380) Journal

        The population of Iran is right around 80 million. I don't recall 1/4 of the population of Iran invading our country with disregard for our laws.

        Iran sits over there and threatens to lob a nuke at our allies because we are bullying them. Iran, unlike North Korea, is a rational country that would not turn itself into glass to get a little of revenge. Iran is somehow a global threat yet they can't even enforce Burka laws in its own capital.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 14 2019, @09:36AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 14 2019, @09:36AM (#786385)

          the leadership there has been on-record stating they would not ever perform a first-strike with WMDs after the gas attacks on them by Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. While I can't say for certain they would live up to that statement in a future conflict, they have not so far used such a weapon in a modern conflict, unlike the US. And while I dislike their funding support of separatist groups in other countries in the region in their own attempts at hegemony, I will note they are just following through on the same behavior the US, UK, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and dozens of other nations have been doing in the region since colonial times. Keep in mind Iran's Shah only regained power from a pro-democracy government in response to the US/UK overthrowing the rightfully elected government to ensure their control over Iran's oil reserves. Much of the Middle East's current problems are directly related to the West's meddling in their affairs in sloppy and often publicly documented fashions, rather than necessarily the original will of the people. But if you have to choose between a foreign strongman and a local one, most people will choose the local one as more likely to represent their needs, and if nothing else, easier to oust when they finally grow tired or desperate enough to throw their yoke off.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday January 12 2019, @09:52AM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Saturday January 12 2019, @09:52AM (#785438) Homepage Journal

        You're listening. Maybe you've gone to my MAGA Rallies. Maybe you saw my Tuesday night Address on NBC, ABC, CBS, Fake News CNN, MSNBC, Fox News or Fox Business -- I remember that you tweeted about the tremendous ratings for that show, very big with the 18-49 demo. And, you almost get it. But, you don't get it yet.

        You know, one of the numbers that jumps out is last year, in 2017, actually. Over 3,700 known or suspected terrorists tried to enter into this country. These are serious numbers, when you see the human trafficking. In 2017, our ICE agents saved over 900 kids. One year alone, saved over 900 kids from sexual assault and human trafficking -- things that are happening at the southern border because there’s no wall, there’s no physical barrier. It’s a problem of national security. It’s a problem of terrorists. There’s no way to actually control ports of entry. I'm the first President to honestly confront the crisis of radical Islamic terrorism. Of Islamic extremism, and the Islamists and Islamic terror of all kinds.

        You know, I talk about human traffickers. I talk about drugs. I talk about gangs. But a lot of people don’t say, we have terrorists coming through the southern border because they find that’s probably the easiest place to come through. They drive right in and they make a left. Not going to happen. Not going to happen. So we’re not going to do that. We won’t be doing pieces. We won’t be doing it in dribs and drabs.

        We haven’t been sitting still for the first, believe it or not, less than two years. We’ve been working very, very hard. The wall is, we’ve done a lot of miles of wall already. So we’re not just starting off fresh, but we have large numbers of miles that we have to do. And we can’t let gaps. Because if you have gaps, those people are going to turn their vehicles, or the gangs -- they’re going to come in through those gaps. And we cannot let that happen. We can have a wonderful port of entry, but you have 2,000 miles of border between the United States and Mexico. And if you take a look and you see, like we do, through certain technology -- including cameras and airplanes, not just drones -- you’ll see vast numbers of vehicles driving through the desert and entering where you don’t have a very powerful fence or a wall. I was explained too, and I explained to people -- because it’s really common sense: So you have ports of entry, and we have great security at the ports of entry, and then you may have fencing or walls, up and down, left and right, east and west. But they stop because we don’t have proper border security.

        These people have vehicles and they drive to the right. They’re not going through where we have great Border Patrol officers and ICE officers, and military now. I tell you, the military has done a fantastic job. They don’t stop. They go right to the easiest part and the weakest part, sometimes out in desert. But you have miles and miles and miles of unprotected area. And you can see where they drive over. You even have people walking that track. And that’s a very dangerous trek. And they bring children -- or even worse, they use children.

        The Obama Administration made a very bad deal with Iran. Great deal for Iran. But bad for our Country. The terrible Iran Deal, besides granting U. S. citizenship to 2,500 Iranians, including to government officials -- how big and bad is that? -- gave Iran total freedom to develop the nuclear. I brought back the Sanctions -- I moved very strongly. But, we don't know how far they got with that. I'll tell you this, we did the Back Pack Nuke, very successfully. And Russia has had tremendous success with that one. Not great, Russia is a very tough competitor. But Iran, I would actually say they're a foe. People don't think of this, Iran has become a foe. And you think about, what if they send a child with the Back Pack Nuke? That child can just drive right into our Country. I say, our Country. But if you don't have a border, you don't have a country. At all.

        The fact is that if we don’t have barriers, walls -- call them what you want -- but if we don’t have very strong barriers, where people cannot any longer drive right across -- they have unbelievable vehicles. They make a lot of money. They have the best vehicles you can buy. They have stronger, bigger, and faster vehicles than our police have, and than ICE has, and than Border Patrol has. So they’re pretty good at that. They have areas that they go to. It’s like a highway. And we have to close them up. And if we don’t close them up, you’re all kidding yourselves. Foolish!!!

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Friday January 11 2019, @11:02PM (4 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Friday January 11 2019, @11:02PM (#785279)

    > Got a contingency plan for men with guns showing up at your cubicle and ordering you to re-route traffic to please the government?

    While i couldn't re-route any traffic if I wanted to, here is the plan for anyone living in a Western civilized country:
    "Sir, I will be happy to comply with your requests as soon as they come from my boss. I suspect he will check with Legal first."

    Oh, and nobody will show up at anyone's desk with guns to demand internet disruptions at gunpoint. This is not a Hollywood version of an African / South-American putsch. There is a process, it's probably rehearsed, and the people concerned know what to do.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:16PM (#785286)

      "Oh, and nobody will show up at anyone's desk with guns to demand internet disruptions at gunpoint."

      .

      No, those who want to control the internet will focus on the backbone fiber, which will allow quick and absolutely certain interruption of access.

      If you really imagined that a government agent might have come to an office to "shut the internet down", you should turn in your geek card, hang your head in shame, and never post on Soylent again.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:51AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:51AM (#785353)

      Oh, and nobody will show up at anyone's desk with guns to demand internet disruptions at gunpoint.

      That's so true. They'll show up at your desk with a wrench and demand the password to your godaddy account.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:50AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:50AM (#785398)

      Oh, and nobody will show up at anyone's desk with guns to demand internet disruptions at gunpoint.

      They go through the banking system instead. [twitter.com]

      And somebody sure as shit ordered the shutdown of the news sites that reported on Gamergate. Bulletproof hosts that allow warez, spam, and kiddee porn wouldn't tolerate a gamer news site reporting on a business corruption scandal. Some of the first things anons found when they started looking into it were links to DARPA, IARPA, and the education system. Zoe was represented by Robert Mueller's law firm. Governments had to have been involved in that.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @10:31PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @10:31PM (#785697)

        "And somebody sure as shit ordered the shutdown of the news sites that reported on Gamergate."

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:11PM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:11PM (#785284)

    2019: the year conspiracy theorists finally took over SoylentNews. What about all the diplomatic internet traffic being routed to Miami through Helsinki?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:10AM (15 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:10AM (#785306)

      More like 2019: the year the conspiracy theorists' worst nightmares came true. Remember when Echelon and Carnivore were just conspiracy theories? Sounds quaint these days. Except most of the conspiracy theorists are "Second Amendment people," and so they will do nothing, because it's "their guy" doing it.

      It shows about how much reverence most conspiracy theorists actually have for the heritage of the 1776 Revolution. They have none. It's all partisan and mytho-macho bullshit.

      Based on everything I've read, it seems that the Trotskyists--literal overthrow-the-government socialists--have more reverence for that revolution than the "Second Amendment people," because they understand the historical context and class nature of that revolution. I never thought I would read a website published by a socialist international citing the Constitution while right-wingers sit around with their thumbs up their asses. However, bourgeois permanent revolution has been achieved. We must study proletarian revolutions, such as the 1917 October Revolution, for guidance.

      While there's still time.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:17AM (3 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:17AM (#785308) Homepage

        All communication not face-to-face is being manipulated. A call or Skype to your mom is being manipulated if not faked outright in realtime. Soylentnews and other internet fora are all merely interactions with artificial intelligence rather than real people. You saw what Seattle did with Donald trump's tongue, and the objective of that exercise was to test the peoples' acceptance of such manipulation.

        The power of the deep state is far more horrifying, and prevalent in society, than you realize.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:36AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:36AM (#785312)

          hahaha! You owe me a new keyboard!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:43AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:43AM (#785315)

          "A call or Skype to your mom is being manipulated if not faked outright in realtime."

          /

          You're fucking nuts, buddy.

          Get some help.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:30AM (10 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:30AM (#785347) Journal

        More like 2019: the year the conspiracy theorists' worst nightmares came true. Remember when Echelon and Carnivore were just conspiracy theories? Sounds quaint these days. Except most of the conspiracy theorists are "Second Amendment people," and so they will do nothing, because it's "their guy" doing it.

        It shows about how much reverence most conspiracy theorists actually have for the heritage of the 1776 Revolution. They have none. It's all partisan and mytho-macho bullshit.

        Apparently, this faint whiff of potential hypocrisy is more important to you than the "conspiracy theorists' worst nightmares coming true". I wonder why.

        Based on everything I've read, it seems that the Trotskyists--literal overthrow-the-government socialists--have more reverence for that revolution than the "Second Amendment people," because they understand the historical context and class nature of that revolution.

        Not buying it particularly with the bloviation about "class nature" and subsequent Marxist nomenclature baggage. With the 1917 October Revolution as an indicator of how bad things can get, the only place you'd ever want to see a "proletariat revolution" is in the history books.

        This strikes me as typical Marxist melodrama. For some reason, they always have to be undermining and sniping at each other as well as the entire outside world, of course. Not a healthy attitude, particularly, if you ever want to get anything done.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:12AM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:12AM (#785386)

          For some reason, capitalists always have to be undermining and sniping at each other as well as the entire outside world, of course.

          FTFY

          Capitalism has simply run out of places to expand to. If you want to keep it, we're going to need to see a lot more from the vaunted social-democrats.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:19PM (5 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:19PM (#785488) Journal
            Not even wrong. I doubt you even know what capitalism actually is.

            Capitalism has simply run out of places to expand to.

            What's your lifespan again? Have we colonized the Solar System? Do we know everything there is to know? The answer to all of those is "no", right? That means that there's a lot of places "Capitalism" can be expanding to without much drama.

            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:39PM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:39PM (#785569)

              You're joking, right? As a former dues-paying, card-carrying Libertarian, I think I know quite a bit about capitalism. Your argument is that even if masses of people are living in poverty, barely able to make ends meet, without access to medical care in first world countries that are experiencing housing crises, we must be patient, because soon we'll all be able to live in ghettos on Mars and in impoverished sections of a city in the clouds on Venus! And when the same thing happens, we can send the deplorables in the working class out to Barnard's Star and Alpha Centauri!

              Your argument is garbage.

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @10:39PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @10:39PM (#785701)

                "As a former dues-paying, card-carrying Libertarian, I think I know quite a bit about capitalism."

                What you think you know and what you actually do know seem to be very different things. Just saying.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 13 2019, @04:59AM (2 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 13 2019, @04:59AM (#785794) Journal

                As a former dues-paying, card-carrying Libertarian, I think I know quite a bit about capitalism.

                Who again thinks that is a qualification for knowing about capitalism?

                Your argument is that even if masses of people are living in poverty, barely able to make ends meet, without access to medical care in first world countries that are experiencing housing crises, we must be patient, because soon we'll all be able to live in ghettos on Mars and in impoverished sections of a city in the clouds on Venus!

                "If". Not much point to having such health care and other shinies, if they don't actually have it because their societies cease to be able to afford it. And you just listed a bunch of stuff that capitalism has a track record of improving. Need I add that elevating people out of poverty is another area that capitalism can and does grow from? For example, it's a huge portion of the economic growth of China and India.

                BTW, I'm even more convinced than before that you don't have a clue about capitalism.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 13 2019, @08:54PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 13 2019, @08:54PM (#786004)

                  Society is more than able to afford social programs. When it comes to the military-industrial complex, society is apparently able to find around $700,000,000,000 per year!

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 14 2019, @05:00AM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 14 2019, @05:00AM (#786269) Journal

                    Society is more than able to afford social programs. When it comes to the military-industrial complex, society is apparently able to find around $700,000,000,000 per year!

                    The US already spends several times that on social programs. And those social programs are on track to consume every bit of taxable revenue within a few decades unless they're cut back.

                    I agree that a large reduction in US military spending is necessary, but I don't agree that it's going to cover the huge spending that people want for social programs. Even 100% redirection won't be able to do that.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:12PM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:12PM (#785528) Journal

          this faint whiff of potential hypocrisy

          That's always how you find those steaming piles of dogshit. It always starts out as a faint whiff of potential something. Only after you've stepped into it, and stirred it up, does the putrid scent of waste smother all other scents.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 13 2019, @05:02AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 13 2019, @05:02AM (#785797) Journal

            That's always how you find those steaming piles of dogshit.

            Whose dogshit is the previous poster smelling however? I think the Marxist babble explains all.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 13 2019, @05:05AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 13 2019, @05:05AM (#785799) Journal
            On that note, Marxists have long been more interested in attacking and undermining rival belief systems than in solving the problems they claim to be interested in solving. This seems more the same. Hypocrisy might smell, but genuine evil has a fouler stench than mere hypocrisy. For someone to grant the worst fears of the conspiracy theorists and then use that opportunity merely to insult them is pretty myopically out of touch even by hypocritical, conspiracy theorist standards.
  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:30PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:30PM (#785289)

    Trump always wanted to be a dictator. He's a psychopathic megalomaniac. He cannot think any other way, that's how his brain works. Things like "compromise", "collaboration" and "cooperation" hurt him as much as a root canal. He's been that way for as long as I can remember, and that's more than four decades. Why would he be any different now that he's president ?

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:03AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @01:03AM (#785320)

      He is only a medium and there for a short period of time. What he thinks does not matter. What any american president thinks does not matter. Matters are decided by the deep state infiltrated by the satanic khazar jews. Time to open your eyes to the monster that lurks in the shadows and appears benign at first. That is how the satanic jew operates.

      Trump don't matter. He can't last forever. The khazar jewish deep state elements have been manipulating events and causing undue death and suffering to generations and continues to do so. Expose the jew.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:02AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:02AM (#785339)

        so close, but so far

        try identifying the objective social force that you keep mislabeling as "khazar jews"

        the truth is out there: take a look, it's in a book!

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday January 11 2019, @11:45PM (1 child)

    by Thexalon (636) on Friday January 11 2019, @11:45PM (#785295)

    In a serious national emergency, serious enough that the government is planning on curtailing the Internet to shut down me and my clients (none of which are important enough for the government to legitimately care about), then getting the Internet-related aspects of my life up and running again aren't even on my top 10 list. Yes, including phone communications: Those who I'd want to talk to already know how to find me for in-person communications, and I would assume that all phone conversations were being listened in on and thus not say anything important over them.

    In the unlikely event that guys with guns are ordering me to shut down any Internet-related stuff under my control, I'm going to shut it down. Again, none of it is worth dying over.

    This concern is sounding an awful lot like: "The boat is sinking, whatever will happen to the hi-def TV in the galley?"

    --
    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:44AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:44AM (#785316)

      Somebody's not a sysadmin [xkcd.com]. :-)

  • (Score: 2) by ilPapa on Friday January 11 2019, @11:53PM

    by ilPapa (2366) on Friday January 11 2019, @11:53PM (#785299) Journal

    I'm declaring a national emergency to get Amanda Seyfried to come and give me a back rub. I'm shutting it all down until that happens.

    --
    You are still welcome on my lawn.
  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:55PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:55PM (#785301)

    I could just go back to MSM if I wanted to hear that.

    Anyway, this is not a new problem. Back when NATO waged war on Serbia to steal Kosovo as a foothold, some Internet blocking from the Free World to Serbia happened. Whether that was because the ISPs were ordered to, or because the execs figured it was either their patriotic duty or easy way to ensure they weren't going to jail for trading with the enemy, I can't tell. It didn't last very long though, so it was probably communicated to them that it wasn't necessary.

    I am pretty sure that, were something like this to be undertaken again, it wouldn't be people with guns in my office commanding me to turn the Internet off, it would be my boss ordering me, because his boss^10 got a letter from a government agency. The people with the guns would only come if I refused.

    • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:36PM

      by fyngyrz (6567) on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:36PM (#785513) Journal

      The people with the guns would only come if I refused.

      Nah, they'd just stop paying you and give someone more compliant your job. The problem (you) would then solve itself.

      --
      Cashier: "Did you find everything?"
           Me: "Why, are you hiding stuff?"

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:57PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 11 2019, @11:57PM (#785302)

    The Treasury Department was surprisingly candid in that correspondence, asserting the U.S. Government's authority, in declared emergencies, to confiscate precious metals and to restrict ownership of mining shares -- and to confiscate and restrict every other financial asset as well.

    http://www.gata.org/taxonomy/term/22 [gata.org]

    And guess what? The US is already in multiple states of emergency that would allow this to happen at any moment.

    Under TWEA during times of war -- and also under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. Secs. 1701-05 ("IEEPA") during peacetime national emergencies -- the president has broad powers to regulate property in which there exists a foreign interest. See TWEA § 5(b)(1)(B); IEEPA Secs. 1702 (a) (1) (B).

    Consequently, the president may restrict shares in any company owned by foreign persons consistent with the purposes of any declared emergency.

    In this respect, foreign-owned shares in gold and silver mining companies are no different from foreign-owned shares in companies in any other industry.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by takyon on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:19AM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday January 12 2019, @12:19AM (#785310) Journal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A [wikipedia.org]

    That was 16 years ago. But they don't necessarily have to cooperate with the companies.

    --
    [SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:59AM (3 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @02:59AM (#785356) Journal

    I will hand over the hard drives, containing the dossiers I have prepared on Funky Monkey and all the other leftists on this site and elsewhere. Then, cooperate with the authorities by shutting down the internet. Then, I'll wander down to the latte shop, and watch as all those leftists are loaded aboard the FEMA buses, and the latte shops are boarded up.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:10AM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:10AM (#785358) Journal

      Then, I'll wander down to the latte shop, and watch as all those leftists are loaded aboard the FEMA buses, and the latte shops are boarded up.

      You want to be in a latte shop when the latte shops are being boarded up? Maybe you should grab a cooler of beers and a lawn chair like a real American, and watch from across the street.

      --
      [SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:30AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 12 2019, @03:30AM (#785367) Journal

        rolleyes

        No, I didn't say that I wanted to be inside of the latte shop - I just want to watch as they are boarded up. And, since I'm driving, I'll pass on the beer.

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:56AM (3 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday January 12 2019, @04:56AM (#785401) Journal

    The madness you elected (and yes, reelected) is about to show its true face... You let your own denials blind you, and here we are. Not good...

    --
    La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
  • (Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Sunday January 13 2019, @02:10AM

    by linkdude64 (5482) on Sunday January 13 2019, @02:10AM (#785747)

    I have over a dozen TB of stockpiled games, movies, artwork, books, and shows to tide me over through almost anything. I'd say it's about a decade's worth of entertainment.

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