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posted by martyb on Saturday February 02 2019, @10:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the don't-look-at-me-that-way dept.

San Francisco could become the first U.S. city to ban the use of facial recognition technology, criticized as biased by lawmakers and privacy advocates.

A new bill unveiled on Tuesday, known as the Stop Secret Surveillance Ordinance, states that the risks of the controversial technology "substantially outweigh...its purported benefits, and the technology will exacerbate racial injustice and threaten our ability to live free of continuous government monitoring."

https://foxnews.com/tech/san-francisco-could-ban-facial-recognition-technology-becoming-first-us-city-to-do-so


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday February 02 2019, @10:50PM (20 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday February 02 2019, @10:50PM (#795488) Homepage

    Wow, the second-richest city in the greatest nation on Earth is really showing us how progressive their priorities are, even though the streets are ridden with filth on par with that of a third-world slum.

    Jews may be progressive but they do love their money.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @11:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @11:53PM (#795501)

      They are against state rights, because we are a nation, but run their cities like city-states. The mental gymnastics necessary to achieve this level of un-self-awareness are boggling.

    • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:10AM (15 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:10AM (#795503)

      My guess is your latest girlfriend saw some of your racist shitposting and you got dumped.

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:57AM (14 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:57AM (#795520) Homepage

        Nobody would be my girlfriend if I thought she would dump me due to "racist shitposting." And I got news for you, a surprising number of women find "racist shitposting" to be amusing. Years ago I played "Coontown" for a Native American woman and I have never heard such loud laughter in my life.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:45AM (13 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:45AM (#795543)

          Whatever you say stone born.

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:33AM (12 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:33AM (#795631) Journal

            Because - women are all alike, share the same opinions, share the same values, all vote alike? Maybe you missed the fact that women rejected Hillary Clinton. If women were all alike, and loved Hillary, she would be president today. Some women might vote with their uterus, other vote for their pocketbook, others vote with their brains, others vote their hearts - and the rest do whatever the fuck they want. They do things like laughing at EF playing Coontown.

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 03 2019, @06:08PM (11 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday February 03 2019, @06:08PM (#795746) Journal

              A bunch voted with their fear of racial minorities.

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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 03 2019, @06:49PM (8 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 03 2019, @06:49PM (#795766) Journal

                It's less racial, than caste. We have reason to fear the ruling class.

                • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:46PM (7 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:46PM (#795789) Journal

                  > Implying Trump isn't every bit the elite the Clintons are
                  > Implying we actually had any non-"ruling class" candidates in the general
                  > Implying implications

                  Sanders was robbed. He could have kicked seven shades of shit out of both Clinton AND Trump.

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                  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday February 03 2019, @08:07PM (5 children)

                    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Sunday February 03 2019, @08:07PM (#795800) Journal

                    Implying Trump isn't every bit the elite the Clintons are

                    Depends on what you mean by "elite". The case has been made that "elites" have shunned Trump for decades, leading him to develop "elite envy". Rather than catering to the elites, his businesses and TV shows cater to ordinary people who want to feel like elites or bask in his faux elite aura/persona.

                    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/01/donald-trump-elite-trumpology-221953 [politico.com]

                    If elite just means a rich 1%er, then Trump can probably be considered an elite, although he has inflated estimates of his wealth from time to time.

                    Sanders was robbed. He could have kicked seven shades of shit out of both Clinton AND Trump.

                    Maybe, maybe not. If Sanders couldn't overcome the challenge of Clinton and the DNC, maybe he wouldn't have overcome Trump (nevermind the matchup polls, those are always subject to change). But Trump should still thank Clinton for being his weaksauce opponent.

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                    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday February 03 2019, @08:09PM

                      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Sunday February 03 2019, @08:09PM (#795802) Journal
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                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 03 2019, @11:00PM (2 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday February 03 2019, @11:00PM (#795862) Journal

                      The "challenge" was having the election rigged out from under him, Takyon. I've only ever voted D because "they're not R," but Jesus, 2016 was the single worst "hold your nose and do it" moment I have ever had at the polls. The Clinton dynasty has done more to shift the Overton Window to the right than anything any Republican candidate could ever have dreamed of, and it's only because of the chaos I correctly predicted was coming with a Trump win that I didn't vote third party or write Sanders in. The worst of it hasn't even started yet, either.

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                      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday February 03 2019, @11:09PM (1 child)

                        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Sunday February 03 2019, @11:09PM (#795864) Journal

                        Rigging it may have been, but if Sanders had another 5-10% of support, and Clinton had made more early gaffes, maybe Sanders would have defeated the DNC and become the nominee. But he didn't have enough support.

                        He didn't overcome the challenge of a rigged playing field, which would only have led to yet another challenge of convincing the American public to vote for a "Democratic Socialist". The same public that ultimately picked Trump over Clinton (popular vote notwithstanding).

                        I think any damage caused by Trump to this point is repairable. The biggest deal has been his Supreme Court nominations. If he gets one more, that will make a huge difference.

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                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 03 2019, @11:15PM

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday February 03 2019, @11:15PM (#795867) Journal

                          Ginsburg is effectively already dead, and there's already a 6-3 majority of hard-right neocons on the court. THIS is why I held my nose and voted D; the Judiciary in general, and the SCOTUS in particular, is a massive vulnerability in the US government, in that a successful partisan hijack can cripple the other two branches for decades on end. Even if Trump had turned out to be perfectly capable and principled, I *still* would have voted against him specifically so that he couldn't pack the court. The GOP understands the above very well, and it's why they stalled out Merrick Garland, who himself isn't exactly another Justice Sotomayer...

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                    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday February 04 2019, @11:54PM

                      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday February 04 2019, @11:54PM (#796360) Homepage Journal

                      The Elites envy me. They envy me. Much better apartment, hotter wife, smarter, much richer -- and I became President. They didn't!!

                      I used to be a Crooked H supporter. Big time. I gave so much money to the Clinton Foundation. Which was supposed to do good things, right? The only thing it did for me was, Crooked came to my wedding. I sent her the R.S.V.P. and she came. She had to come. But, once I ran for President I started hearing so many HORRIBLE things about her. Benghazi, people don't know this. The FBI sent more agents to Roger Stone's house than there were security guards at Benghazi. The "wiped" (erased) EMAILS. The EMAILS Server, why has no one looked at that one? Uranium One, that's the real Russia Collusion. It goes on and on!!

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 03 2019, @09:45PM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 03 2019, @09:45PM (#795831) Journal

                    We've covered that often enough here. Trump is not part of the "ruling class", nor will that "ruling class" ever accept him. You know how much I hate to say anything good about Clinton, but Hillary has a quality that comes with being part of that elite. Let's call it "sophistication". She understands how politics work, and she spent all the years after leaving the White House "positioning" herself for a return to the White House. She knows the game, and tried hard to play that game, by it's rules. She played well enough to convince much of the voting population that she was "qualified", or "most qualified". At the same time, she convinced much of the voting population that she was most certainly NOT qualified. (Benghazi?)

                    Trump shares some qualities with the ruling class, but he most certainly lacks any of that "sophistication".

                    Something I find amusing, is imagining Trump trying to use "command voice". He most certainly can use a loud voice, but it's probably whiny. "Command voice" may or may not be loud - it is precisely loud enough for the environment it is used in. Loud is almost never appropriate in any environment Trump finds himself.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:00PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:00PM (#795771)

                it's only wealthy, insulated (usually white) idiots who have never had to deal with poverty or "oppressed minorities" (outside of their contrived scenarios) that think every race or culture is equal and should be welcomed/tolerated/celebrated.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:43PM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:43PM (#795786) Journal

                  Race, yes. Culture, no. Some cultures are definitely superior to others. American whites, for example, should definitely have their culture replaced by either European whites' culture or maybe South Korean or Japanese culture. Especially the ones living south of the Mason-Dixon line.

                  See what I did there...?

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by RandomFactor on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:38AM (1 child)

      by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:38AM (#795512) Journal

      I will stipulate that California's political class and intelligentsia appear divorced from reality in a number of ways, but like Europe, sometimes they do hit on something important and lock onto it like a moronic Belgian Malanois that desperately wants you to throw the Frisbee again but doesn't understand it has to FRIKKIN LET GO OF IT for you to do so.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:36AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:36AM (#795632)

        All lies. There is no political class in Gay Bay. There is certainly no intelligentsia in Gay Bay. And, I'm not sure that there are Belgian Malanois in Gay Bay either.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:55AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:55AM (#795579)

      SF is a real shitty place [dailywire.com].

      No wonder they don't want faecal recognition technology used in public. Then they may actually find out who is crapping all over the place.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @10:57PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02 2019, @10:57PM (#795491)

    Why is fox news pushing this cortez lady on its readership so hard?

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:44AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:44AM (#795517)

      Because they think she's hot, and they are stupid and naive with respect to certain realities of politics.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:25AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:25AM (#795508)

    SoylentNews : Slashdot :: Voat : Reddit

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:28AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:28AM (#795509)

      While your comparisons are quite accurate I don't see what TFA has to do with any of that.

  • (Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:36AM (2 children)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:36AM (#795511)

    Stop Secret Surveillance Ordinance

    How will they tell if secret surveillance is going on if it's kept a secret? Good luck telling a dumb surveillance camera connected to a VCR from one connected to a nefarious surveillance computer...

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Some call me Tim on Sunday February 03 2019, @05:58AM

      by Some call me Tim (5819) on Sunday February 03 2019, @05:58AM (#795613)

      Mine is connected to a Beta Max VCR! Double plus obscure! :-)

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    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday February 04 2019, @12:06PM

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday February 04 2019, @12:06PM (#796094) Homepage
      Secret's a red herring, I think it's there for shock value in the headlines. In reality, though, surely the in-your-face surveillance that they're getting away with is even more scary - they're not even ashamed of how close to 1984's Big Brother they appear.
      E.g. a recent equivalent from the United Kingdom of Surveillance: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html
      """
      A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

      The force had put out a statement saying “anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious”. However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

      Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.

      “He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past,” said director Silkie Carlo.

      “There was nothing suspicious about him at all … you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights.”
      """
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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:42AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:42AM (#795515)

    And let's not forget, San Francisco is where Room 641A was located.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A [wikipedia.org]

    .

    This "banning of face-reco" is just lip service and the city of San Francisco is utterly powerless to stop the use of face-reco by the 3-letter agencies, though I
    am sure those agencies will laugh long and hard about this.

    And like someone else wrote, the sidewalks in this liberal-run city are covered in feces.

    .

    You can thus see what happens when liberals run a government.

    Things literally go to shit.

    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:58AM (1 child)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday February 03 2019, @12:58AM (#795521) Homepage

      Not only that, but SF is Feinstein's home base.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @06:41PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @06:41PM (#795762)

        Feinstein is a jew.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by progo on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:27AM

    by progo (6356) on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:27AM (#795538) Homepage

    Does this count for photos posted online and processed in San Francisco?

  • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @02:00AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @02:00AM (#795545)

    All the trolls rolled out in force for this one. I assume you're all triggered that yet again California leads the way towards a better society. All that hate is really much worse for you then for any liberals, though the troll population has gotten large enough that it can launch brigades of hate that sadly do have real consequences.

    It is almost enough to make me think a social credit score program might be a good idea and I'm opposed to such a thing on principle. Think on that when you wage your troll wars and realize that it will be an easy sale when your brigades end up causing more damage.

    Then again maybe that is the point. Half of you are probably foreign agents stirring up shit by getting the crazies thinking they have more support than they really do. I guess it is only fair the US suffers a bit more from their own tactics.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday February 03 2019, @03:02AM (3 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday February 03 2019, @03:02AM (#795555) Homepage

      Look at L.A.'s Skid Row or San Diego's East Village or walk anywhere in San Francisco and tell me with a straight face that California leads the way towards a better society. We are full-dystopia, and our so-called "liberals" are the ones who spearheaded those problems.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:03AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:03AM (#795566)

        Maybe you need to move. Maybe Idaho or Eastern Washington state where you can find apes that grunt like you.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:50AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:50AM (#795578)

          Or maybe he just lives in a nice neighborhood in CA that keeps out the riffraff.
          Still, the state seems determined to increase their numbers all the time.
          CA could be nice indeed if the politicians weren't trying to destroy it.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @03:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @03:19PM (#795697)

        no

        capitalists did

        capitalists were traditionally in charge of the GOP, but young people lean liberal and they started a lot of those behemoths. then they could afford to keep their values and embrace capitalism.

        blaming right or left for fucking people over is not going to help. just blame the people doing it. those cameras wouldn't go in if it didnt make it easier to track people and market to them, while allowing authorities to forget how traditional gumshoe law enforcement actually works. imagine a rookie cop without access to a suspect's social media feed and real world tracking. you've seen what happens -- that person gets called weird and mentally ill and such for not having a facebook account, or a cell phone, or worse, both.

        the whole thing feeds off of greed. but damn looking a ads personalized for just me sure is great to keep paying for month after month because the the suppression has to get paid for somehow, and government taxes arent quite doing it.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:19AM (1 child)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:19AM (#795570) Journal

      I assume you're all triggered that yet again California leads the way towards a better society.

      Let me point to you something you may have missed: the bill is called "Stop Secret Surveillance Ordinance" not "Stop Surveillance Ordinance".
      Still thinking that holds the promise of a better society?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @05:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @05:42PM (#795725)

        I would not be surprised if they did that kind of fuckery, but my point still stands to all the California haters. It is like the conservative version of "flyover country" but as usual with lots of extra hate. Whatever, assholes gotta ass.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:41AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @07:41AM (#795633)

      It is a shame that the flaming faggots are ahead of the normies on this one. But, hey, even faggots are right sometimes. Of course, you might want to check with our resident lesbian on that.

  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:48AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @04:48AM (#795577)
    Story sez:

    A new bill unveiled on Tuesday ... states that the risks of the controversial technology "substantially outweigh...its purported benefits, and the technology will exacerbate racial injustice ..."

    Ha ha, in other words, CRIMINALS, non-white people, will be recognized and made to go to trial! Can't have that! That would impact the criminals in their ability to earn a living.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Some call me Tim on Sunday February 03 2019, @05:48AM (1 child)

    by Some call me Tim (5819) on Sunday February 03 2019, @05:48AM (#795606)

    With all the turds in the street, they were having problems with false positives every time the Sacramento politicians decided to visit.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:21PM (#795667)

      Okay, fine, don't implement facial recognition technology. Do implement technology to detect when someone unloads shit onto the street so a cleanup crew can be called.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 03 2019, @01:45PM (#795672)

    for the folks using burner cell phones.

    For everybody else, there is already a fine tracking network.

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