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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the space-rangers dept.

Shanahan officially establishes the Space Development Agency

Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan on Tuesday officially established the Space Development Agency as a separate organization within the Department of Defense that will be led by Undersecretary of Defense for Research and Engineering Mike Griffin.

"A national security space architecture that provides the persistent, resilient, global, low-latency surveillance needed to deter or, if deterrence fails, defeat adversary action is a prerequisite to maintaining our long term competitive advantage," Shanahan wrote in a March 12 memo obtained by SpaceNews.

"We cannot achieve these goals and we cannot match the pace our adversaries are setting if we remain bound by legacy methods and culture. Therefore, effective immediately, I establish the Space Development Agency as a separate defense agency," the memo said, noting that the agency is being created under existing legal authorities and will be under the "direction and control of the Undersecretary of Defense for Research and Engineering."

[...] It is likely that resources from other agencies or military departments will transition to the SDA in the future. The undersecretary for research and engineering will work with the Pentagon comptroller to "determine any realignment of FY19 and FY20 resources." The SDA will transfer to the U.S. Space Force once approved by Congress. The Pentagon requested $149.8 million for the new space agency in its budget for fiscal year 2020.

See also: Undersecretary of Defense for Research and Engineering Mike Griffin: Space Development Agency to bring new capabilities that don't exist today

Previously: U.S. Vice President Pence Details Plan to Establish a Space Force by 2020


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Pence unveils plan to create Space Force by 2020

Vice President Mike Pence announced the Pentagon's detailed plan for President Donald Trump's vision of a Space Force on Thursday, which would establish the first military branch in over 70 years.

[...] Pence on Thursday stressed that the new branch would be built, in part, from pre-existing elements. "The Space Force will not be built from scratch," Pence said during a speech before members of the Pentagon. "This is a critical step toward's establishing the Space Force as the sixth branch of our armed forces."

Here are the four components to the Department of Defense establishing a Space Force:

First, DoD will establish a Space Development Agency to develop and field space capabilities at speed and scale. The Air Force has already begun to transform its Space and Missile Center (SMC). The Department will accelerate and extend this transformation to all services by creating a joint Space Development Agency.

Second, the Department will develop the Space Operations Force to support the Combatant Commands. These joint space warfighters will provide space expertise to combatant commanders and the Space Development Agency, and surge expertise in time of crisis to ensure that space capabilities are leveraged effectively in conflict.

Third, the Department will create the governance, services, and support functions of the Space Force. Many of these will require changes to U.S. law. The Department will build a legislative proposal for Congressional consideration as a part of the Fiscal Year 2020 budget cycle.

Fourth, the Department will create a U.S. Space Command, led by a four star general or flag officer, to lead the use of space assets in warfighting and accelerate integration of space capabilities into other warfighting forces. U.S. Space Command will be responsible for directing the employment of the Space Force.

Will Space Development Agency research trickle down to NASA?

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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:09PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:09PM (#814471)

    $149.8 million? I thought Mars was going to pay for it?

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by takyon on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:13PM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:13PM (#814474) Journal

      It'll pay for itself as we prevent Martians from rocketing back to Earth.

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:16PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:16PM (#814480)

      Mars is broke, they'll have to get it out of Uranus.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:18PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:18PM (#814481)

        Urectum [youtube.com], please.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:15PM (11 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:15PM (#814477)

    By spending a ton of money on a "Space Force", the US government can successfully divert cash from things that might actually help its citizens to things that are almost certainly useless. This will prevent the citizens from getting too uppity and wanting, you know, a decent standard of living or something.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:22PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:22PM (#814483)

      I agree in its uselessness. However, with 322.7 million adults as of 2016 the $149 million advertised as first year costs could give every resident of the United States a whopping $2.16. That'll get us all a decent standard of living!

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:31PM (4 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:31PM (#814488)

        I agree it's not much right now. I fully expect Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, etc to start lobbying for more "procurement" on the Space Force, and they'll get it because Congressman Blowhard can say it brings jobs to their district while pocketing substantial "campaign donations" for their cooperation.

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        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:38PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:38PM (#814497)

          If Skunkworks completes their fusion reactor in the next five years using small reactors with four new reactor iterations a year it will fully justify any of that black budget spending they have been getting for the past few decades. I say that as someone who hates defense contractors.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by takyon on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:51PM

            by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:51PM (#814505) Journal

            Meanwhile, if SpaceX completes their big effing rocket within the next five years, Lockheed Martin Space Systems should be at least partially defunded.

            Lockheed is not the only group trying to build a small fusion reactor:

            https://lppfusion.com/ [lppfusion.com]
            https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/08/nuclear-fusion-updated-project-reviews.html [nextbigfuture.com]

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          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:55PM (1 child)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:55PM (#814523) Journal

            If Skunkworks completes their fusion reactor in the next five years

            And if not?

            The decades of fusion research and tech suggests that bigger is better when it comes to fusion reactors. So there's a good chance they'll fail to produce a compact one.

            Meanwhile, $37M produced a 5e7K H-plasma for over 1 minute in 2017 and a 1e8K one in 2018 [wikipedia.org].

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            • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday March 15 2019, @04:12PM

              by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 15 2019, @04:12PM (#814845) Journal

              I agree that fusion research is a chancy bet, and we don't know the odds. That said, "larger is better" is not proven. It's better in some ways, e.g. it makes it easier to heat, but it's worse in other ways, e.g. flow instabilities are harder to control. And it also depends on the approach. Tokamaks, Stellerators, etc. will need to be large if they are to be successful. Laser implosion needs powerful lasers, but bigger isn't necessarily better. And there are other approaches. None have really worked so far, but it's possible that several will when all the engineering is worked out.

              I find it promising that now they're talking about fusion reactors in 5 years rather than 20, but I don't KNOW that this is actually because they're getting closer to delivery. Any of them.

              OTOH, the potential payoff is immense. A good working fusion reactor is one of the things needed to make slow transit starships feasible...and the only one that's been dubiously possible.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:20PM (3 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:20PM (#814513) Journal

      By spending a ton of money on a "Space Force", the US government can successfully divert cash from things that might actually help its citizens to things that are almost certainly useless. This will prevent the citizens from getting too uppity and wanting, you know, a decent standard of living or something.

      Good thing we're getting something of value [soylentnews.org] out of those tax dollars! At the time, I wrote:

      Don't forget the military-industrial complex and an unsustainable entitlement system.

      The idea that we didn't get anything of value for those tax dollars is quite simply a lie.

      Are you counting the things with negative value, eh?

      Good thing I was wrong, eh?

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:36PM (2 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:36PM (#814535)

        Some of government spending is valuable. Some of it is useless. Your error was concluding it was all useless.

        The Space Force is intentionally useless: There's neither a known threat of space aliens, nor a known threat of enemy space forces.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @12:08AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @12:08AM (#814543)

          Some of government spending is valuable. Some of it is useless.

          Somewhere between 10 and 50% of what they spend ($2000- $400 billion/yr) is probably not wasted.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @02:55AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 15 2019, @02:55AM (#814613) Journal

          Your error was concluding it was all useless.

          Nobody made that "error" either in this thread or in the thread that I linked to.

          The Space Force is intentionally useless: There's neither a known threat of space aliens, nor a known threat of enemy space forces.

          Yet. It's not like the rest of the world is going to remain at the present state of marginal presence in space.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:40PM (#814519)

      By spending a ton of money on [the at least $2 trillion/year of crap they waste money on], the US government can successfully divert cash from things that might actually help its citizens to things that are almost certainly useless.

      FTFY

      They used to pay me to walk up and down a mostly deserted half-mile long hallway for 3 hours a day. Now they pay someone else to do that. In a sane organization the two common tasks could have been put next to each other, but there we had stuff like coming to work and the locks were changed because a work order from a decade earlier finally got to the top of the pile.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:59PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:59PM (#814524)

    Hell Yes! Let's militarize space.

    There are triilions of illegal *aliens* (and most of them brown, red, blue and purple) out there for us to keep out. Secure the (space) border! Build the wall in space!

    They *say* they're fleeing tyranny and oppresion, but they really just want to take our jerbs!

    Unless we act immediately, there will be Centauris, Cygnans, Glieseans and all manner of other illegals popping out babies from the chests of real 'murikkkans, collecting welfare and eating

    This will be the best thing ever! What could go wrong?

    'murikkka! Fuck yeah!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:27PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:27PM (#814530)

      Boeing put a secret AI in their planes that crashes it when minorities fly.

    • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:34PM (1 child)

      by captain normal (2205) on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:34PM (#814534)

      Oh My God! We need a wall...a Space Wall. Guess that's what the extra $5B the White House has thrown into the new budget proposal is for.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @02:58AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 15 2019, @02:58AM (#814617) Journal

        Oh My God! We need a wall...a Space Wall. Guess that's what the extra $5B the White House has thrown into the new budget proposal is for.

        Powerpoint slides. Space money doesn't go very far.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @02:59AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @02:59AM (#814622)

    The year is 500bc. The not-so-friendly nation south the Mediterranean sea is rumored to be developing a new form of warfare called "navel". What do you do? Do you fund a nation-wide project to develop and build ships? Do you build a series of forts across your shore line? No. You do something much better than that: You establish a "sea force" and "sea command". There. Crisis averted. The nation is saved.

    Trumpus Idioticus Making Rome Great Again.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday March 15 2019, @03:23AM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday March 15 2019, @03:23AM (#814631) Journal

      The United States Space Command (USSPACECOM) was a Unified Combatant Command of the United States Department of Defense, created in 1985 to coordinate the use of outer space by the United States Armed Forces.

      Back to the Future

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @03:23AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @03:23AM (#814632)

      Supposedly this is negative against Trump? But actually the punic wars were what brought Rome to its peak, so that hardly tells the story you imply.

      A better analogy would be the US is Carthage/Phoenicians and have a secret mining base on the moon or an asteroid or wherever so can pay back debts at unbelievable rates.

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