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posted by martyb on Monday April 01 2019, @02:56AM   Printer-friendly
from the pictures-or-it-didn't-happen...oh-wait. dept.

Saudis gained access to Amazon CEO Bezos' phone: Bezos' security chief

The security chief for Amazon chief executive Jeff Bezos said on Saturday that the Saudi government had access to Bezos' phone and gained private information from it.

Gavin De Becker, a longtime security consultant, said he had concluded his investigation into the publication in January of leaked text messages between Bezos and Lauren Sanchez, a former television anchor who the National Enquirer tabloid newspaper [had] said Bezos was dating.

Last month, Bezos accused the newspaper's owner of trying to blackmail him with the threat of publishing "intimate photos" he allegedly sent to Sanchez unless he said in public that the tabloid's reporting on him was not politically motivated.

Also at The Daily Beast.

Previously: Jeff Bezos Accuses National Enquirer of Blackmail
The Story Behind the Instant Classic “Bezos Exposes Pecker” Headline


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Jeff Bezos Accuses National Enquirer of Blackmail

Jeff Bezos, Amazon's chief executive and the world's richest man, accused the owner of The National Enquirer on Thursday of trying "extortion and blackmail" to stop his investigation into how his private text messages and photos with his mistress were leaked to the tabloid.

In an extraordinarily personal online post, Mr. Bezos said intermediaries of David Pecker, the chairman of American Media Inc., the nation's biggest tabloid news publisher and owner of The National Enquirer, had approached him to stop his investigation. Mr. Bezos said he had been told that if he refused, the publisher would make risqué and intimate photos of the billionaire and his mistress, Lauren Sanchez, public.

[...] "Of course I don't want personal photos published, but I also won't participate in their well-known practice of blackmail, political favors, political attacks and corruption," Mr. Bezos wrote of A.M.I., explaining why he had decided to speak out. "I prefer to stand up, roll this log over and see what crawls out."


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The Story Behind the Instant Classic “Bezos Exposes Pecker” Headline 24 comments

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In the tabloid tradition, a good headline must do three things: it must communicate the news; it must commit some act of wordplay; and it must trigger a certain popping of the eyes in its reader, ideally accompanied by some kind of involuntary subverbal response—a squawk, a snort, a guffaw, a gasp. On Thursday, just minutes after Jeff Bezos revealed that American Media, Inc., had threatened to publish explicit photographs of him unless he acquiesced to certain demands, tabloid-headline excellence was achieved, when HuffPost declared, on its home page, "Bezos Exposes Pecker." "Pecker," of course, referred to David Pecker, the chairman and C.E.O. of A.M.I.—the same Pecker who, during the 2016 Presidential election, facilitated a payment to a woman who had a story to tell about an affair with Donald Trump.

[...] The headline was the work of Hayley Miller, a HuffPost reporter in New York whose workday had already ended when the Bezos news came out. [...] The idea for "Bezos Exposes Pecker" came to her quickly, but she hesitated before sharing it. On one hand, she said, "I was just, like, Oh, my gosh, this is gold—got to do this." On the other hand, she considered, "Do I want to bother my colleagues with another dick pun?" In the end, she went for it. "Trusted my gut, I guess," she said.

Whitney Snyder, a HuffPost deputy editor [...] explained that this wasn't the first time the Web site's Slack channels had been peppered with Pecker puns. "We did have a bit of a rehearsal in August," he said, referring to the day that Pecker's immunity deal with federal prosecutors was reported. "We ran a headline that was 'Report: Trump Loses Pecker.' "

Source: https://www.newyorker.com/news/current/the-story-behind-the-instant-classic-bezos-exposes-pecker-headline

Previously: Jeff Bezos Accuses National Enquirer of Blackmail


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Jeff Bezos and MacKenzie Bezos Finalize Most Expensive Divorce in History 62 comments

Jeff Bezos: World's richest man agrees $35bn divorce

The world's richest man, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, and his wife MacKenzie have agreed [to] a record-breaking divorce settlement of at least $35bn (£27bn). Ms Bezos keeps a 4% stake in the online retail giant, worth $35.6bn on its own.

[...] Prior to the settlement, Mr Bezos held a 16.3% stake in Amazon. He will retain 75% of that holding but Ms Bezos has transferred all of her voting rights to her former husband. She will also give up her interests in the Washington Post newspaper and Mr Bezos' space travel firm Blue Origin.

Amazon is now [a] vast online retail business. Last year, it generated sales of $232.8bn and it has helped Mr Bezos and his family amass a fortune of $131bn, according to Forbes magazine.

[...] The divorce deal dwarfs a previous $3.8bn record set in 1999 by art dealer Alec Wildenstein and his wife Jocelyn, who became well-known for her cosmetic surgery.

MacKenzie Bezos (soon to be MacKenzie Tuttle?):

She is now the third-richest woman in the world, as well as one of the wealthiest overall.

Also at USA Today.

See also: MacKenzie Bezos to give half of her $36 billion fortune to charity

Previously: Jeff Bezos, Amazon CEO Worth $137 Billion, to Divorce Wife of 25 Years
Jeff Bezos Accuses National Enquirer of Blackmail
The Story Behind the Instant Classic "Bezos Exposes Pecker" Headline
Saudi Arabia's Government Allegedly Hacked Into Jeff Bezos's Phone


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Saudi Crown Prince's WhatsApp Account Reportedly Used to Hack Jeff Bezos 29 comments

Amazon boss Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

Exclusive: investigation suggests Washington Post owner was targeted five months before murder of Jamal Khashoggi

The Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos had his mobile phone "hacked" in 2018 after receiving a WhatsApp message that had apparently been sent from the personal account of the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, sources have told the Guardian.

The encrypted message from the number used by Mohammed bin Salman is believed to have included a malicious file that infiltrated the phone of the world's richest man, according to the results of a digital forensic analysis.

This analysis found it "highly probable" that the intrusion into the phone was triggered by an infected video file sent from the account of the Saudi heir to Bezos, the owner of the Washington Post.

The two men had been having a seemingly friendly WhatsApp exchange when, on 1 May of that year, the unsolicited file was sent, according to sources who spoke to the Guardian on the condition of anonymity.

Large amounts of data were exfiltrated from Bezos's phone within hours, according to a person familiar with the matter. The Guardian has no knowledge of what was taken from the phone or how it was used.

The extraordinary revelation that the future king of Saudi Arabia may have had a personal involvement in the targeting of the American founder of Amazon will send shockwaves from Wall Street to Silicon Valley.

Previously: Saudi Arabia's Government Allegedly Hacked Into Jeff Bezos's Phone


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @03:50AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @03:50AM (#822960)

    See comment subject.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @04:21AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @04:21AM (#822961)

    The password "IBrichfuckrest666" was too easy to guess

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 01 2019, @03:33PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @03:33PM (#823106) Journal

      12345

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:00AM (15 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:00AM (#822966)

    Another story with scant details. Let me see what the constellation here is:
    Saudi Arabia is an authoritarian theocratic monarchy, who may object to some of the shit Bezos sells on his website, but no obvious motive to send their secret agents after him.
    Saudi Arabia is currently allied with Israel, and the two have an inside track to the US administration.
    While the Democrats are currently distracting everybody with the Russia story, pretty much everything that Israel wants, Israel gets. Under Trump, to a far greater degree than is expected from AIPAC lobbying Congress, and greater than can be expected from general favour due to having Jews in the family.
    Bezos has bought the Washington Post, and why would somebody buy a newspaper today if not to distribute the purchaser's opinions.
    The Washington Post is part of the US media front producing a constant stream of Trump hit pieces.
    The ownership of the National Enquirer conversely takes a positive attitude toward Trump.
    Trump doesn't much like Bezos, and the feeling is probably mutual.

    The strongest path here seems to be Bezos > Trump > Israel > Saudi Arabia. Did Israel hack Bezos' phone and give the data to the National Enquirer, to take some of the wind out of his assailing of Trump, and had Saudi Arabia agree to assume the blame? And did Trump then give the Golan Heights to Israel in gratitude?

    Enquiring minds want to know. :)

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @05:05AM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @05:05AM (#822969) Journal
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @05:20AM (5 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @05:20AM (#822975) Journal

      The (Bezos) Washington Post has been fiercely critical of Saudi Arabia, particularly since the death of Jamal Khashoggi [wikipedia.org], a columnist for The Washington Post. Media outlets reported on Nov. 16, 2018 that the CIA had concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman (MBS) ordered Khashoggi's death, although President Trump disputed that.

      The Bezos affair story went live around Jan. 9, 2019.

      https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a26251113/jeff-bezos-lauren-sanchez-relationship-timeline/ [townandcountrymag.com]

      From the Daily Beast article:

      Some Americans will be surprised to learn that the Saudi government has been intent on harming Jeff Bezos since last October, when the Post began its relentless coverage of Khashoggi’s murder. The Saudi campaign against Bezos has already been reported by CNN International, Bloomberg, The Daily Beast, and others.

      [...] In October, the Saudi government unleashed its cyberarmy on Bezos (and later me). Their multi-pronged campaign included public calls for boycotts against Amazon.com and its Saudi subsidiary, Souq.com. Just three examples among thousands:

      “We as Saudis will never accept to be attacked by the Washington Post in the morning, only to buy products from Amazon and Souq.com by night! Strange that all three companies are owned by the same Jew who attacks us by day, and sells us products by night!”

      “Our weapon is to boycott… because the owner of the newspaper is the same as their owner.”

      “We're after you - the Jew, worshipper of money, will go bankrupt by the will of God at the hands of Saudi Arabia... the owner of Amazon and Souq is the owner of the Washington Post is the spiteful Jew who insults us every day.”

      Bezos is not Jewish, but you get the point.

      We studied the well-documented and close relationship between MBS and AMI chairman, David Pecker. That alliance includes David Pecker bringing MBS intermediary Kacy Grine to a private White House meeting with President Trump and Jared Kushner. Pecker has also traveled to Saudi Arabia to meet with the Crown Prince. Though we don’t know what was discussed in those private meetings, AMI’s actions afterwards are telling. To coincide with MBS’ March 2018 U.S. tour, AMI created a 100-page, ad-free, glossy magazine called The New Kingdom. Since MBS wasn’t yet a notorious figure in the West (this was before the murder of Jamal Khashoggi), AMI’s magazine introduced him to Americans as “the most influential Arab leader—transforming the world at 32,” and “improving lives of his people & hopes for peace.”

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      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 01 2019, @09:33AM (3 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @09:33AM (#823002) Journal

        Khashoggi, IMO, is a poster child for the Darwin Awards. Sorry if you don't like that attitude, but that's how I see it.

        The man KNEW that his government and the despotic assholes that run it have no respect for "freedom of the press". If Khashoggi were a competent journalist, then at some time he had to opportunity to attend the University of Hard Knocks. There he should have taken International Intrigue 101, 102, 103, 201 thru 210, and 301. Before he finished II 102, he should have known "Always Cover Your Ass". Before he completed 103, he should have known "Everyone is an enemy, and potential murderer."

        Khashoggi did enter into enemy territory, alone, without backup, and without an escape plan. What - he thought that leaving some chick outside the embassy, without weapons, and without clear instructions on any rescue attempt was sufficient to "Always Cover Your ASS"??

        Unless he intended to become a martyr, then he was just another dumbass who thought that he could play with the big boys. The big boys would have handed him his ass, if there were any ass left to hand to him.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @01:09PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @01:09PM (#823046)

          So now you blame the victim for the crime? Classy.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @01:42PM (1 child)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @01:42PM (#823064) Journal

          On 2 October 2018, Khashoggi entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to obtain documents related to his planned marriage, but was never seen leaving.

          People aren't supposed to just get murdered in embassies. And indeed, he probably would have been fine if his phone hadn't been hacked and his planned movements were not known. The killers were flown in after all.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 01 2019, @01:50PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @01:50PM (#823067) Journal

            When you have powerful enemies, you don't blithely answer the beck and call of a representative of those enemies. He most probably didn't need any paperwork, it was some bogus, made-up necessity.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @12:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @12:26PM (#823039)

        Bezos got off easy. I hear the Saudis hacked into Khashoggi's phone too -- unfortunately it was still in his shirt pocket at the time.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Monday April 01 2019, @06:14AM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @06:14AM (#822985) Journal

      Saudi Arabia is an authoritarian theocratic monarchy, who may object to some of the shit Bezos sells on his website, but no obvious motive to send their secret agents after him.

      Same not obvious motives for the case of the... ummm... hospitality offered to Jamal Khashoggi at their Turkish consulate.
      And, if you remember, WaPo pushed that quite hard. Hard enough to be the reason for the hunt: as a theocratic authoritarian, you don't maintain authority for long if there are voices challenging you.

      Saudi Arabia is currently allied with Israel, and the two have an inside track to the US administration.

      But doesn't stop SA internal propaganda tweeting “We as Saudis will never accept to be attacked by The Washington Post in the morning, only to buy products from Amazon and Souq.com by night! Strange that all three companies are owned by the same Jew [sic] who attacks us by day, and sells us products by night!”

      The strongest path here seems to be Bezos > Trump > Israel > Saudi Arabia. Did Israel hack Bezos' phone and give the data to the National Enquirer, to take some of the wind out of his assailing of Trump, and had Saudi Arabia agree to assume the blame? And did Trump then give the Golan Heights to Israel in gratitude?

      You forgot Khashoggi from the picture.

      Enquiring minds want to know. :)

      here they are [thedailybeast.com]. A... ummm... lengthy skimming (from an even lengthier FA, with heaps of corroborating links - believe them or not, the story sounds plausible)

      How the Saudis Made Jeff Bezos Public Enemy No. 1
      ...
      • Oct. 1: Digital security experts at Citizen Lab confirm the phone of Omar Abdulaziz, a Canada-based Saudi dissident who maintained close and daily contact with Jamal Khashoggi, was targeted using state-of-the-art cyberspying software. It is later revealed that digital communications between Abdulaziz and Khashoggi were being intercepted for several months ahead of this point.
      • Oct. 2: Jamal Khashoggi is last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Soon, The Washington Post raises the alarm and demands answers from the Saudi government.
      • Oct. 7: Turkey asserts that Khashoggi has been killed inside the Saudi consulate. The Post escalates its relentless coverage, demanding justice for Jamal.
      • Oct. 15: A hashtag linking Jeff Bezos to the Post’s reporting appears on Saudi social media: “Boycott Amazon.” The first tweet with the hashtag proclaims: “To the people of the Great Kingdom of Saudi Arabia: The leftist Jeff Bezos is the owner of The Washington Post, the newspaper of evil and betrayal… we have to defend our country and boycott Amazon.”
      • ...
      • Nov. 4: Several news outlets notice the calls to boycott Amazon on Saudi social media [bloomberg.com] —and at least one points to clear signs of manipulation [washingtonpost.com].
      • Nov. 5: The Washington Post publishes an op-ed titled “It’s time to halt business in Saudi Arabia.”
      • ...
      • Nov. 9: The Washington Post publishes an op-ed by Mohammad Ali al-Houthi, a leader of the Houthis, the rebel group the Saudi-led coalition has been fighting in Yemen since 2015
      • Nov. 10 - Nov. 19: Large and sustained spike in anti-Bezos tweets as three more hashtags are launched, including: “The owner of Amazon and Souq is attacking us” and “Bezos threatens us while Souq.com trades with us.” [links in original to tweets in arabic]
        This time the surge includes graphics, cartoons, and videos disparaging Bezos.
        ...
        Another graphic, captioned “The Jew: Jeff Bezos,” links Bezos to The Washington Post, Amazon, and Souq.com (Note: Though Jeff Bezos isn’t Jewish, claiming public figures are Jewish in order to tie them to all sorts of nefarious activities is a well-known anti-Semitic trope.)
      • ...

      Anti-Bezos hashtags die down for a while after this point, until on Jan. 10 the National Enquirer publishes its special issue dedicated to revealing Bezos’ affair. MBS surrogates immediately engage in schadenfreude:

      “Jeff Bezos has incited against Saudi Arabia and its leadership for weeks via his Washington Post, and now has been struck by a marital infidelity scandal that will cost him half his fortune in the divorce. In brief—whoever earns Saudi Arabia’s enmity will be broken, disparaged, and ended by God.”
      ...

      On our website, we have been looking into what is known about AMI’s [AMI [wikipedia.org] is the owner of The Enquirere] connection to the Saudis, and I’ll share just a few quick examples here. First, some context: Ahead of these events, David Pecker’s company was $1.3 billion in debt, and losing more than $70 million per year. Since all these events, its finances have sharply and mysteriously improved.

      1. ...
      2. Jan. 9: AMI announces that it has “successfully completed the refinancing of all outstanding debt.” Although the company was emphatic that no foreign investors were directly involved, AMI refused to name its white knights. It has not ruled out that the Saudis may have invested indirectly, as you’ll see below.
      3. ...
      4. Jan. 11: Bezos directs his security adviser Gavin de Becker to undertake an investigation to determine who provided his private texts to the Enquirer, and why. Bezos gave de Becker “whatever budget is needed to pursue the facts.”
      5. Jan. 31: De Becker tells The Daily Beast that “strong leads point to political motives.”

        ...
        Finding that it couldn’t easily stop De Becker’s well-funded investigation, AMI began the strong-arm attempt that Bezos would soon publicly reveal. Its most senior content officer, Dylan Howard, sent Bezos’ attorney a salacious tabloid-style itemization of 10 intimate photos in its possession.

        “It would give no editor pleasure to send this email. I hope common sense can prevail—and quickly.”

        (Very early in the morning that same day, the Saudi government’s anti-Bezos hashtags that had been dormant for weeks suddenly show a strong spike of clearly manipulated activity.)

        Bezos and De Becker both refused the Enquirer’s offer, Bezos rather famously.

        Whatever AMI wanted from De Becker, it must have been worth the Enquirer giving up photos that might well have created its biggest-selling issue. Here is the actual statement it wanted De Becker to make in a public news release:

        “We do not believe and have no basis for suggesting that the reporting undertaken by American Media and The National Enquirer was instigated, influenced, motivated, or dictated in any manner by external political forces, nor do we believe they utilized any form of electronic eavesdropping or hacking…”

        ...
        Weeks ago, David Pecker’s CFO told reporters at Bloomberg News that AMI has again been saved, this time by “several new investors that came into the fold.” Though he would not name the investors, he added:

        “There is no direct investment in the company’s debt or equity by the Saudis.”

        Rarely has the word “direct” caused a statement to be so indirect.

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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @06:37AM (2 children)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @06:37AM (#822988) Journal

        Oct. 2: Jamal Khashoggi is last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Soon, The Washington Post raises the alarm and demands answers from the Saudi government.
        Oct. 7: Turkey asserts that Khashoggi has been killed inside the Saudi consulate. The Post escalates its relentless coverage, demanding justice for Jamal.

        If it had been someone else that the WaPost hadn't been involved with, maybe it would have been completely swept under the rug or gone unnoticed for days or weeks. Instead, it became the top news story globally (IIRC).

        The nature of the Khashoggi murder makes it seem even more likely that Saudis would go after Bezos. Mr. Bone Saw is developing a reputation for ordering brazen actions for petty reasons. I can't imagine that hacking Bezos and leaking his affair in order to embarrass him would be worth much strategically in comparison to the backlash. I wonder if NEOM [soylentnews.org] and all those other big plans will see the light of day in Saudi Pariah.

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 01 2019, @07:27AM (1 child)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @07:27AM (#822990) Journal

          I can't imagine that hacking Bezos and leaking his affair in order to embarrass him would be worth much strategically in comparison to the backlash

          I feel that Mr Bone Saw suffers from an imagination deficit.
          Specifically, he cannot imagine he could fail or be discovered. That, I reckon, is a common syndrome in young males, particularly in sociopathic autocrats that had a sheltered upbringing.

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          • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @07:43AM

            by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @07:43AM (#822995) Journal

            An eight-page contract AMI sent for me and Bezos to sign would have required that I make a public statement, composed by them and then widely disseminated, saying that my investigation had concluded they hadn’t relied upon “any form of electronic eavesdropping or hacking in their news-gathering process.”

            Note here that I’d never publicly said anything about electronic eavesdropping or hacking—and they wanted to be sure I couldn’t.

            They also wanted me to say our investigation had concluded that their Bezos story was not “instigated, dictated or influenced in any manner by external forces, political or otherwise.” External forces? Such a strange phrase.

            MBS also couldn't imagine that there would be idiocy at an American tabloid publication.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @12:35PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @12:35PM (#823042)

      So the Beez is banging someone who used to make a living as a professional gossip, and it became public because of... a state actor? Riiiiight.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:20AM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday April 02 2019, @01:20AM (#823350) Journal

      The idea that Israel and Saudi Arabia are allied makes my brain hurt. Yes, even though there are no nociceptors in the brain proper. Yet it seems this is the case. I can only conjecture that birds of a theocratic feather flock together.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:03AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:03AM (#828892)

        Jews, (Evangelical) Christians, Muslims.

        It is quite ironic that they are conspiring to create each religion's End of Days so collaboratively.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:37AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:37AM (#828896) Journal

          Isn't it? I'd be fine with the idea if it wouldn't take all the rest of us down with them...

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:42AM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @05:42AM (#822979)

    1. Being an enemy of Saudi Arabia probably makes most Americans think more highly of Bezos. We haven't forgotten 9/11.

    2. Bezos puts listening devices in millions of homes, and then whines when his privacy is violated?

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @06:00AM (11 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @06:00AM (#822980) Journal

      Millions of people agreed to use those devices or should at least have some inkling that the Alexa service is not local to the device and that they are being "spied" on. Amazon apparently doesn't just hand the records over to anyone [soylentnews.org], although you could easily draw much more cynical conclusions.

      On the other hand, Bezos didn't agree to have his email account accessed by the Saudis. And unlike those millions of people, he has hostile actors targeting him (possibly out of petty spite in the case of the Saudis, or for his riches, or for Amazon and Blue Origin trade secrets...).

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @11:45AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @11:45AM (#823031)

        > Bezos didn't agree to have his email account accessed by the Saudis.

        Sorry, I'm not buying the "poor Bezos" line. He has pissed off enough people during his life that it's obvious his personal life would be a target for someone. He has enough money to pay for NSA grade (or better?) security for his email.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @01:32PM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @01:32PM (#823056) Journal

          Plenty of corporate giants have had security breaches despite having clear motivations to prevent them.

          It's not romantic to exchange PGP keys and good security practices with your lover. :-)

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @12:31PM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @12:31PM (#823041)

        In the big picture, a million little privacy violations can add up to more than one big one.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @01:36PM (7 children)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @01:36PM (#823061) Journal

          What privacy violations? Have millions of people had information about themselves leak out due to Amazon Alexa? Hundreds? I guess we wouldn't know if there was a mass warrant or third-party wiretapping, but your definition of "violations" is still unclear.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @03:50PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @03:50PM (#823114)

            And what specific violations is Bezos complaining about? Maybe his phone used "password1234" and he deserved to get hacked. Oh, hacking his phone was illegal?

            Massachusetts has two-party consent and it's a crime to secretly record conversations. Yet Amazon sells their recording devices here, which also operate without the recordee's knowledge. What if you're visiting a friend who has one of those speakers but forgot to tell you? Why should all responsibility be on them to disclose the recording? The devices could easily say every 10 minutes: "Hi, this is Alexa and I'm recording everything." But I suppose that would hurt sales.

            Privacy violation comes in different shades of grey, and Bezos has certainly not been innocent.

            • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @04:47PM (5 children)

              by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @04:47PM (#823133) Journal

              And what specific violations is Bezos complaining about? Maybe his phone used "password1234" and he deserved to get hacked. Oh, hacking his phone was illegal?

              They have handed all the info to the feds:

              Next, Bezos directed me to “spend whatever is needed” to learn who may have been complicit in the scheme, and why they did it.

              That investigation is now complete. As has been reported elsewhere, my results have been turned over to federal officials. Since it is now out of my hands, I intend today’s writing to be my last public statement on the matter. Further, to respect officials pursuing this case, I won’t disclose details from our investigation. I am, however, comfortable confirming one key fact:

              Our investigators and several experts concluded with high confidence that the Saudis had access to Bezos’ phone, and gained private information. As of today, it is unclear to what degree, if any, AMI was aware of the details.

              Saudis apparently have more sophisticated methods than guessing passwords, and used them on Khashoggi:

              Jeff Bezos' investigator thinks Saudi Arabia hacked his cell phone — here's how it could have happened [businessinsider.com]

              While de Becker didn't say how the Saudis gained access to his phone, the country has been accused in the past of using advanced spyware to track its adversaries.

              Some of that spyware comes from NSO Group, an Israeli company valued at $1 billion that sells technology that can track texts, emails, calls, apps and location data from "the air without leaving a trace," according to a New York Times investigation.

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              Massachusetts has two-party consent and it's a crime to secretly record conversations. Yet Amazon sells their recording devices here, which also operate without the recordee's knowledge.

              It's supposed to record at length only when it hears a "wake word", likely to be initiated by the owner of the device, so the owner might be the one at the fault. I doubt Amazon has anything to fear from Massachusetts.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @07:10PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @07:10PM (#823215)

                It's supposed to record at length only when it hears a "wake word", likely to be initiated by the owner of the device, so the owner might be the one at the fault.

                So when their keyword detector has a false-positive, they are also violating the laws in single-party consent states. But you seem to think Amazon does not routinely violate privacy.

                I doubt Amazon has anything to fear from Massachusetts.

                In fact, a senator from Massachusetts who's also a Presidential candidate has suggested breaking up the big tech companies. Amazon would be foolish to ignore political risk.

                • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday April 01 2019, @07:38PM (3 children)

                  by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday April 01 2019, @07:38PM (#823232) Journal

                  In fact, a senator from Massachusetts who's also a Presidential candidate has suggested breaking up the big tech companies. Amazon would be foolish to ignore political risk.

                  We can revisit after that candidate defeats 15 other Democrats and then President Trump.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @08:57PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 01 2019, @08:57PM (#823257)

                    There is broad political momentum behind Warren's distrust of Big Tech. Amazon had to already cancel their NYC plans, and Zuckerberg feels compelled to advocate for internet regulation now.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 02 2019, @10:56AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 02 2019, @10:56AM (#823551)

                    We can revisit after that candidate defeats 15 other Democrats and then President Trump.

                    And gets support from Congress about doing such a thing. You left that minor detail out.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday April 01 2019, @11:24AM (1 child)

      by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Monday April 01 2019, @11:24AM (#823028) Journal

      > We haven't forgotten 9/11.

      No you haven't. Sadly though, most of you seem to think that Saddam Hussein was responsible for it. Or Afghanistan. Or gay marriage, or something...

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 01 2019, @03:41PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 01 2019, @03:41PM (#823109) Journal

        As an American, I mod you insightful.

        But it is not us common people who think that.

        Blaming Saddam was done by a president who, wasn't the brightest bulb, needed to finish daddy's war, and did whatever his VP told him to do.

        Afghanistan had a role shielding Osama, and I tend to agree with The Bush Doctrine.

        Religious charlatans will blame gay marijuana, or whatever and whoever they hate today, for 9/11 or hurricanes, etc. Because God told them who they should hate!

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