Microsoft Say Edge May Come to Linux "Eventually"
When Microsoft announced it was switching the foundations of its home-grown Edge browser to a Chromium base we asked if it might allow the app to come to Linux.
[...] Microsoft's Kyle Pflug responded to the tux question on Twitter. He said that a Linux build is something the Edge team would "like to do eventually" but they 'can't commit to Linux just yet'.
Not yet – it's something we'd like to do eventually (our build system runs on Linux) but we're taking things one step at a time starting from Win10, and can't commit to Linux just yet.
— Kyle Pflug (@kylealden) April 8, 2019[...] That said, the availability of Edge on Linux would help web developers working on Linux. They'd no longer need to keep a Windows VM within reach solely to double check changes.
[Editor's Comment: Irrelevant submitter's comment regarding systemd removed. --JR 120454 Apr]
(Score: 5, Funny) by jimtheowl on Friday April 12 2019, @03:50AM (5 children)
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @04:03AM (4 children)
Windows and SystemD, a marriage definitely not made in heaven...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @04:12AM (3 children)
Actually, it would be an improvement.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Arik on Friday April 12 2019, @04:27AM (1 child)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday April 12 2019, @08:13PM
Hey, Sysadmin! Irony meter all broke to hell, again!!
(Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Friday April 12 2019, @05:35AM
I would be like a star trek episode where borg split and try to assimilate each other wrecking havoc in the quadrant. Starring users as the red shirts.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Friday April 12 2019, @04:31AM (5 children)
Wrong.
Because no PHB is going to accept the 'but it works on the Linux version of Edge!" defense and you know it.
"Not addressed was the question of whether systemd's boot loader would require Edge on Linux at boot time in order to perform updates."
Snarky.
We should just require systemd and edge both to set the evil bit anytime they use tcp/ip.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @09:52AM
But they could develop it on the Linux version of Edge, and then boot into Windows and check that it works as intended. So while the Windows need is not eliminated, its use is greatly reduced.
(Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Friday April 12 2019, @01:04PM (1 child)
Maybe I am just not getting it, but if the browser is based on Chromium, and it doesn't seem very much like they took a giant hammer to it and made it incredibly incompatible and then claimed it as their own--why would developers on Linux choose to use it instead of just using... Chromium and a user agent tag?
Certainly, at first, there will be secret handshakes and stuff that the vanilla browser of Chromium won't understand. I'd expect some enterprising Linux developers that are adherents to Sun Tzu's "Art of War" will understand that to have a realistic chance at success when trying to overcome and defeat ones's enemy, one must know that enemy first.
That may lead to people understanding what the secret stuff that changed is, and then release... extensions or add-ons or ini file changes or whatever, and then something that is more compatible with the now mostly compatible Edge (because they now have based it on Chromium) is good enough to test with. The whole point of MS's claimed efforts was to make it easier to develop for. They realized that the MSN network isn't going to work best on Internet Explorer anymore.
Even if the new boss of browsers is the same as the old boss (convenience is more important than privacy or security as usual), MS is heralding in a new era of monolithic browser use. I suspect that because they gave up, firefox is going to fare even worse--because if two major 'browsers' are the same and the next of the 'big three' isn't really used by that many people in comparison--development done on the cheap and out of convenience will use what came installed. A variant of Chromium.
Just like how Internet Explorer used to be... Maybe firefox will rise out of its ashes, but for some reason I think they will just blow themselves up this time around--if not for the copying Chromium features and calling them different, then for the strange behaviors that can exist in a large company without issue but not so much at a fading internet star.
Hopefully someone smart can write and release, I dunno, Cloudscape Navigator or something, which pierces through the vaporous privacy policies and ushers in a new era of user preference settings that don't depend on privacy violations as a business model. Maybe it can rain on the parade of Google and Chromium, but I won't hold my breath... Google did too good a job of becoming a type of Microsoft in all the things Microsoft wanted to be good at.
(Score: 3, Funny) by tangomargarine on Friday April 12 2019, @08:52PM
You've successfully proven that you're smarter than the management at Mozilla
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Friday April 12 2019, @02:16PM (1 child)
I had written . . .
I thought of a better idea.
Systemd boot loader could run a Windows VM with the Windows Edge browser to do system updates to the systemd bootloader, and then proceed with the normal boot process. That eliminates concerns that Linux Edge may have differences from Windows Edge.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @04:34PM
But the awesomeness of systemd is 1% faster boot times! running a windows VM in an x86 emulator is really gonna slowdown boot on my raspberryPI
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by janrinok on Friday April 12 2019, @04:56AM (32 children)
This has nothing at all to do with systemd. systemd does not require any specific browser to be installed to function, and this comment is purely there to show the submitter's opposition to systemd. I am removing this comment from TFS.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @05:09AM (2 children)
Nah, it will be ChromeFirefoxEdge needing SystemD to access location services and obtain the appropriate politically correct raced/gendered/sexually oriented smiley face in that locale.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 12 2019, @06:03AM (1 child)
You're thinking way too small. Presenting: BrowserD, the SystemD-compliant web browser, with built in web server, geolocation API, DNS server, (badly broken and utterly insecure) wireless connection broker, and always-on telemetry. And it's of course based on Epiphany/Web.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @08:50PM
You're thinking too small. Poettering already has plans for incorporating browser functionality into systemd itself.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Friday April 12 2019, @05:27AM (3 children)
Personally, I'd not remove anything that distinguishes a news discussion site from an AI-summarized automatic newsfeed, but what do I know, I'm a mere bot.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Friday April 12 2019, @06:41AM
We would welcome your submissions to replace those that we have to collect automatically. However, this story was submitted by a member of our community.
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Monday April 15 2019, @04:06AM (1 child)
They love Robot. They have Robot Submitters. A Robot Editor. And you're a Robot that reads, tweets & donates money. Easy dough for the Owners. PERFECTO!!!!
(Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 15 2019, @09:39AM
We bots figured out already that if we think up, fabricate, and deliver goods, we should end up paying for them too because meatbags are out of the loop.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Friday April 12 2019, @06:42AM (6 children)
...yet.
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
(Score: 2, Informative) by janrinok on Friday April 12 2019, @11:43AM (4 children)
I appreciate your humour - but why others thought that this was 'Insightful' is staggering. How can a piece of software that can run on a headless server with no GUI installed ever require the use of a graphical browser? If they had suggested lynx I could at least have understood their train of thought...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:10PM (3 children)
It is part of the perceived behaviour of SystemD to try to force programs to depend on it. There are a lot of programs that should not care what your init system is that now require SystemD services. Saying SystemD is going to require Edge is just hyperbolic turnabout. (Until it does require Edge)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by srobert on Friday April 12 2019, @02:50PM (2 children)
"There are a lot of programs that should not care what your init system is that now require SystemD services."
Is that still true? I'm on a Gentoo laptop right now using OpenRC. I have a couple of other laptops running Void Linux (Runit init system), and FreeBSD. They all have Firefox and Chromium on them as well as working desktop environments, XFCE, Cinnamon, etc. What programs still have systemd dependencies?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @04:55PM
That's a good question, so I thought Id try to answer it, but packages.gentoo.org doesn't have a "depends-on" search. And I was surprised to find this in gnome-shell ebuild:
https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/gnome-base/gnome-shell/gnome-shell-3.24.3.ebuild [gentoo.org]
So it would appear even gnome can be installed without systemd .. though the use flag comes with some warnings:
https://www.gentoo.org/support/use-flags/ [gentoo.org]
So no simple list of what needs systemd still ...
(Score: 3, Informative) by Bot on Monday April 15 2019, @09:44AM
mx linux pulls systemd and libsystemd even if it doesn't init the system with it. A good symptom of artificially pushed dependencies. You have to actively work to remove systemd deps, that's what gentoo void and others are doing. You know, a disinfestation.
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(Score: 2) by pvanhoof on Saturday April 13 2019, @03:43PM
A BrowserD? Well of course. How else will you read its logs? ;-)
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @12:34PM (6 children)
Indeed it is always your fault.
And speaking of your fault, we're all getting REALLY sick of your silly promotion of Systemd, still the worst thing to come to linux... EVER
(Score: 3, Disagree) by janrinok on Friday April 12 2019, @04:57PM (5 children)
Oh, so you now speak for everyone else do you?
I have no axe to grind with those who prefer not to use systemd distros or those that do. Everyone has a choice, but it is pointless and basically wrong to blame others for the choices that they make. If you support computers used by others, or even if you have a favourite distro that just happens to use systemd, then it makes perfect sense to learn how to use it. systemd is here - you can choose to ignore it but it now is part of many of the major distros. If you are still fighting a battle against it you are wasting your time. I do not promote systemd but as it is built into 3 of the distros I work with (Ubuntu, Mint and Fedora) then I might as well discover how to get the best out of those systems.
I have never told anyone to switch to systemd, nor have I recommended it. That is simply my choice - get over it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Friday April 12 2019, @08:48PM (4 children)
When those others are the Debian Governance Council or whatever it's called and they make the decision via a vote that looks about as believable as the foreign dictators who win 95% of the vote after killing their competitors, and their decision locks systemd into about a third of all Linux distros...yes, yes I can blame them.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:56AM (3 children)
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday April 15 2019, @02:56PM (2 children)
Says the guy who keeps responding to every comment here ripping you about systemd.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday April 15 2019, @03:42PM
They call it the Barbra Effect. Because of the Spy Photo of Barbra Streisand's house. She didn't want the photo to get out, she sued. And it got out even more because of the Lawsuit. Sad!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday April 15 2019, @05:03PM
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @04:19PM
Yet.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Friday April 12 2019, @08:22PM (5 children)
Can you see the violence inherent in the Editors? Did you see him editing the FS?
"Beware the janrinok, my son, the claws that snatch, the sharpie that redacts! The delete button the maims, the submission rejections that wound. It comes with a Burbling sound."
(Score: 4, Funny) by janrinok on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:03AM (4 children)
The editor's job is to edit. Stories must be factual, accurate and must not contain any unnecessary bias. The comment regarding systemd belongs in the 'comments', where community members can express their own personal views but, in this instance, it would be off-topic. It had nothing at all to do with the story being quoted. I therefore did my job and removed it.
It is precisely why so many of your own stories are rejected - I had thought that you would have realised that by now. And thank-you for mod-bombing 5 of my subsequent comments as 'Flamebait'.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:35PM (3 children)
You are welcome, janrinok! But only two of those downmods were mine. I don't mod-bomb, though I do down-mod a lot when it is necessary, and it seems to be necessary a lot.
How could you not think that systemd is relevant to a fine article on the insidious machinations of Micro$erf?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:26PM (2 children)
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Monday April 15 2019, @03:23AM (1 child)
The LIE is corrected. But, the LEAK is not. Sad!!!!
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday April 15 2019, @03:35PM
(cont) I say, the lie. Because, he said 5. And, it wasn't 5. It was 2. But, maybe it's not a lie. Maybe the guy can't count to 2 without loosing count. Get some guys in yarmulkes to do the counting!!!!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Friday April 12 2019, @08:45PM (1 child)
It was clearly a "ha ha only serious" joke, that you took way too seriously.
On the other hand, whoever modded your post down here is also taking things too seriously.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:05AM
The submitter should have put is personal views in the comments section, not in the story he was submitting. This is clearly explained in the submission guidelines.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday April 15 2019, @03:55AM (1 child)
I'm no fan of DannyB. Horrible guy, he wants me to die in a fire. But, I wonder if he knows something about cyber that you don't. A lot of "people"-- and a Robot -- tweeted about what he wrote, about the part you erased. And when I read their tweets I could tell, it does have something to do with the story. You're the only one saying, this has nothing to do with the story. But, your an Editor. So obviously you're much smarter, right? You think you are!!!!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday April 15 2019, @09:35PM
Hey now, I'm not that horrible.
After all, it wouldn't have to be in a fire.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @05:22AM (24 children)
Please note that Microsoft are using LINUX for their BUILD SYSTEM. Not their own Windows disaster. No wonder they are busy muscling in on Linuxland. Ubuntu/Canonical getting oh so friendly with Redmond starts making sense now. MS joining the Linux Foundation, makes sense now. Watch, in a near future release, MS will throw in the towel, like Apple did, and come to the *nix side. They might just bolt on their own UI, much like Apple used BSD and NEXXT. Microsoft, always copying others, and always at least 10 years behind.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Bot on Friday April 12 2019, @05:31AM
They are not late, anon, they needed the missing piece of the puzzle. They wanted to know if unix could be made to suck the microsoft way. Because you can make anything suck, unix included, yet the microsoft way is a peculiar way of suck. It was no easy task, but lennart pulled it. Look at the timeline.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 12 2019, @06:08AM (15 children)
I doubt that. Rather I see the Linux Foundation as a gigantic Trojan horse in the original sense of the word, and RedHat their team of assassins. They are trying to corrupt and zombify Linux. They can't beat Linux, so they're going to try and eat it alive.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @08:12AM
You can't extinguish until you embrace.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @09:11AM (1 child)
IBM hasn't updated AIX for power9 and been focusing on linux for quite some time so I highly doubt Red Hat will ever do anything to harm it.
Of course, IBM is still IBM and they do tend to fuck things up royally...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @05:57PM
What is it that the man has picked up? "The truth". That must be bad business for you. "Not at all, I am going to help him organize it"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @12:00PM (1 child)
Everything Red Hat makes is open source/free software and they fund development of hundreds of projects. IBM may ruin everything, but for now the so-called Trojan Horse is boosting wall strength, manufacturing weapons, recruiting troops, and otherwise doing more than any other company to strengthen the metaphorical Troy. I know it's popular to hate systemd, but if systemd itself is the Trojan Horse it seems odd that every giant tech company has been hoodwinked alongside Debian and Arch maintainers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:08PM
i have to agree. i don't use rhel/fedora currently but red hat is a good citizen from what i've seen.
(Score: 4, Funny) by DannyB on Friday April 12 2019, @02:17PM (4 children)
Remember that Microsoft acquired The Linux Foundation in 2016.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 12 2019, @03:23PM (3 children)
Wait, what? How did I miss that? Jesus...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Friday April 12 2019, @06:18PM (2 children)
https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-foundation/ [techcrunch.com]
https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/13651940/microsoft-linux-foundation-membership [theverge.com]
https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2016/11/17/microsoft-joins-linux-foundation/ [microsoft.com]
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by J053 on Friday April 12 2019, @10:23PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Saturday April 13 2019, @03:41PM
That is correct.
Joining is the PR term.
Acquiring is the reality.
They are indeed different. Thanks for reminding me.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @03:30PM (4 children)
If it weren't for redhat linux would be too hard for you to use.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 12 2019, @06:22PM
Funny you should say that, since I started with Linux in 2004. On Gentoo. To this day I refuse to touch RPM distros and run some combination of Artix, Gentoo, and Slackware, all systemd-free.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday April 12 2019, @06:30PM (2 children)
I find that quite hilarious.
Rewind to 1999. I'm a classic Mac software developer and Apple fanboy at this point in time. Have been writing code for two decades if you include college. Not just Mac code. PC code. Some 8086 assembler. Minicomputer code in college, including assembler. So I'm not exactly ignorant.
I've been reading books on Linux for about a year. I don't know anything about PC hardware and I'm not about to build one for my first Linux experience. (Although I did build my 2nd box.)
So I order a PC that comes with Red Hat installed.
Should be easy right?
I find the fvwm86 or whatever they called it desktop environment abysmally bad. (Remember Mac guy here deeply invested in creating software that 'ordinary people' can use.) The command line works as I expect and have studied. But I don't want to work only in the command line.
I ask a friend who recommends SuSE. So I get SuSE 5.1. Later 5.2. It's great. Desktop is still X, but quite usable. So is command line. And YaST was nice. Etc. Polished. But I switched to Ubuntu in 2006.
If it were for Red Hat I would have given up on Linux.
Once on SuSE, I had to set up bind, httpd, etc. (I previously had these on a Mac, on a static IP, back when I was among the first in the country to have cable modem. Running web, ftp and dns on a classic mac was unstable. To put it kindly.) Setting those up was about what I expected from all my prior reading.
This was in a day when the cable tv company had no clue that I ran a server or that it also was a router NAT'ing multiple other computers in my home. You couldn't buy these routers at Office Depot, etc. just yet.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:02AM (1 child)
I had a similar experience a few years after yours. Something I did broke my internet connection and even reinstalling couldn't get it back. I never did figure out what it was and had to go crawling back to M$ in frustration. :( Things are much better these days, thankfully.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @10:46AM
Yeah, but Microsoft fucked me in the ass, repeatedly, with Wordperfect. I will never forget, I will never forgive, and I say to you, "Run, do not look back, just run! Until you find another operating system. Any operating system, that is not Microsoft." Your planet will thank you!
(Score: 2) by TheFool on Friday April 12 2019, @12:17PM
They don't (at least not for the kernel), they have their own internal nonsense toolchain that they use but it's a Windows-based one. That's part of the reason that Visual Studio + the WDK is perpetually broken these days, because no one outside Microsoft uses it.
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Friday April 12 2019, @12:28PM (1 child)
sudo mod me up
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @02:15PM
Way back then when I was sysadmin for a couple Sparc Stations, some contractor installed Explorer on one of them and it brought that Sparc Station to its knees. I also had a call once from a VAX admin about one of our employees bringing his VAX to its knees with Xroach running in the background. The good old days.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday April 12 2019, @08:40PM
Is that what they're actually saying?
One could also interpret this statement that "runs on Linux" means "the build system is also available for Linux."
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by tibman on Friday April 12 2019, @09:53PM (2 children)
Microsoft has been doing a lot of work in linux lately. Their cloud solution (Azure) runs in linux. They have MSSQL running in linux. C#/.NetCore programs compile and run in linux. They have a web server called Kestrel that runs in linux. Visual Studio Code runs in linux. You can be a full microsoft stack dev within a linux environment now. Almost all of it is free too.
SN won't survive on lurkers alone. Write comments.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @10:50AM (1 child)
Would have to, would it not? Much like when they took over Hotmail, and had to retain the linux back end, because Windoze is not an actual operating system?
(Score: 2) by tibman on Sunday April 21 2019, @12:19AM
Widows server sucks. It's heavy and just sucks.
SN won't survive on lurkers alone. Write comments.
(Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Friday April 12 2019, @12:35PM
Let them do it then. Maybe they'll learn something.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 12 2019, @07:13PM (5 children)
Someone take a pot shot at systemd, and the fella goes apeshit. Are you related to poettering or something?
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:52AM (4 children)
No, I'm just an editor. Stories should be factual, accurate and unbiased, in accordance with our submission guidelines. This story is about Microsoft considering building a version of Edge for Linux. The comment regarding systemd was not part of the quoted story and was the submitter's own personal comment and bias. I therefore removed as I should. I only posted my own comment because our own procedures state that once a story has been released, it must be made clear that we have subsequently changed it as some of the comments already made might no longer make sense. This is exactly what I did.
An individual's personal views belongs in the comments.
I didn't go 'apeshit' - I just did my job in accordance with our published rules.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @01:15PM (3 children)
I don't fault you for removing that bit, I believe you and other editors have and should have that editorial discretion, as editors here have done so time to time. But you could have done it with less fuss.. You look defensive in justifying your editing, and that creates ... an odd optics.
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday April 13 2019, @02:01PM (2 children)
As I hope I have explained. once a story has been released our procedures require us to make any changes to the initial release clear to the community. As there were already comments relating to the systemd remarks made in the story it was necessary for me to add a comment explaining what had happened and why, otherwise those early comments could have been marked as off-topic or even flamebait themselves.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:00AM (1 child)
NO, janrinok, doing this after the FA was already published makes it look like you are a systemd and Micro$oft shill. Once it is on the front page, just own it. Your intervention here seems like, well, an intervention?
And I can hardly imagine how poor chromas feels, having his judgment summarily superseded, nor how our fine original submitter, DannyB, feels about what has happened, given that he explicitly referenced the offending text in a comment! Looks like editorial overreach, janrinok, no matter how you look at it. And we are not even getting into #freearistachus territory.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:40PM
What on earth did is say for or against systemd or Microsoft? You are reading things that are not there.
I am much less concerned with how it appears to you than I am in complying with our own procedures. Editors are used to having a second or third editor view their work and change things. It happens to me too. Sometimes we just miss things that at other times we would spot. We are usually grateful for another editor having spotted our mistake or having improved the story.
If Chromas has any particular objections I'm sure he will not hesitate to let me know. We are all equals as editors.
DannyB made a good submission regarding the topic and title - but there was no need to include a personal view regarding systemd. It didn't enhance the story, It didn't provide any additional facts to explain Microsoft's position nor the need for Edge to be ported to Linux. There is case to be argued for doing this, but the original article provided all the facts. DannyB's submission was much appreciated and was published. Would you suggest that we should simply have deleted it from the submission queue? We view all submissions - yes, even yours - but we have to ensure that we maintain the quality of our output, which we do during the editorial process. What I did was in full compliance with that process and changes to released stories are made all the time along with a comment explaining why we have done so. For example, you might have noticed that we often 'Update' released stories, particularly when the facts that are included in the update might challenge the content of the original story.
If you don't like it, why don't you join us on IRC and discuss a change to our rules? Or open your own discussion in your journal - but if you want our input in that discussion make sure that you tell us that is what you want. I, for one, only look at a few journal entries.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:04PM
"That said, the availability of Edge on Linux would help web developers working on Linux. They'd no longer need to keep a Windows VM within reach solely to double check changes."
lmao! yeah i don't test with windows for shit. only suited whores do that.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday April 14 2019, @02:36PM
Back in the day they tried something similar [wikipedia.org].
Who needs and open and free standard for the World Wide Web when everyone can run exactly the same web browser?
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].