Packt reports that Gab's Dissenter browser extension was removed from Mozilla's Firefox add-ons on April 10th (people already using it can continue to do so), and was booted from Google's Chrome browser the next day. Gab pitches itself as an anti-censorship social media platform that only prohibits speech that is illegal. Their Dissenter browser extension and associated website allow people to share comments about any webpage, giving users the ability to share comments on articles, videos, etc., regardless of whether or not the website hosting the content has a comments section. Mozilla's rationale for the ban was that Dissenter was being used to promote violence, hate speech, and discrimination, but they failed to show any examples to bolster that claim. Gab plans to develop their own browser in response.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @05:45PM
Too bad their system is not using a p2p kadamelia algo to ditch the user-accounts; but maybe it'll get some attention now that it's been banned.
(Score: 2, Funny) by SomeGuy on Saturday April 13 2019, @05:46PM (1 child)
The same thing can be said about the entire Internef&bp )[STaFO7Ie-0 >#5A UwP33f36* 1k}3E=8
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @07:40PM
Don't know why people think that is a troll. The point is that some of the people in power right now would love nothing more than to pull the plug on the internet. With some of the law changes, censorship, and paranoia going around, it does not even seem like it might be that far off.
(Score: 3, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:02PM (22 children)
Good for Gab.
Boo for the morons that put them in the corner.
How hard is it to get this right, people? Apparently, when you have SJW groupthink pulling the strings, very hard.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:14PM (5 children)
most people on gab's like to discuss moronic shit but in this case yes, mozilla people in conformity with corporate mandated rules surpassed all that moronic shit and embarased themselves with their i-can-only-act-as-the-holly-coc-says-cause-i-follow-rules-instead-of-think
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:34PM (4 children)
This is true enough, but then again, the same statement (different moronic shit) applies to all social media as far as I've seen.
Biggest problem I have with GAB is that there's spillover sometimes and you get whackjobs leaving their own channels and slipping their views into unrelated channels. Judicious blocking solves this, but you have to be willing to put up with an occasional idjit long enough to mute-forever.
The keyword is 'occasional', I can manage occasional via muting just fine. This is far Far FAR less annoying (for me) than, for example, Twitter, where it is not occasional but rather an unending stream of reality-free groupthink relentlessly pounding your eyes until your blocklist soars to heights such that Elon could hitch a ride to Mars and save all that development cost.
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:43PM (3 children)
Bigger userbase and some filtering or separate "bubbles" could be the answer. Maybe Mastodon [joinmastodon.org].
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(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Sunday April 14 2019, @02:40PM
I do have a mastodon ID floating around, but it's pretty much abandoned.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:36PM (1 child)
I would like social networks that avoid bubbles and mix up the freaks with the normies and the intellectual assholes.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:51PM
I think in the case of Mastodon, you would go to the largest, most general purpose instances.
That's a nice sentiment but I think the large clusterfucks will tend to diverge over time, and the more niche bubbles will be seen as more useful. Smaller forums/communities tend to be more polite, on-topic, and can be focused on a particular interest.
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(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @10:59PM (1 child)
Quite right! Those ISIS recruitment posts and videos are just speech. Sure, someone may take things too far, but that's not the fault of the people posting. The SJWs who want those ISIS posts removed are as bad as the ones who are intolerant of hate speech.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @05:41AM
Everything old is new again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by ikanreed on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:44AM (7 children)
It's either silencing nazis or killing them. No other choices are non-fictional.
Every time you scream for a vision of "free speech" that endorses ideologies that mass murder, we move one inch closer to cutting your throat to spare our own. That's life.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 14 2019, @05:26AM (5 children)
SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT!!!!1111ELEVENTYONE
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:03PM (4 children)
You're just a fat piece of shit neckbeard nobody who happens to have a vagina.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:47PM (3 children)
At 5'10" and 141lb at last weigh-in, I don't think I count as "fat," honey :) If you want "piece of shit," there are any of a number of small-L libertarians who would sell their mothers for dog food for the right price you can get your fill of. It's hard to be a "neckbeard" when you don't actually grow facial hair. And as to nobody, well, sure, we all are here. It's one tiny tech forum out in the middle of the Internet. I rather like it this way.
Sit tight; your Resource Room supervisor is on her way and we're bringing the ramp and the mouthguard. *Do* try not to soil yourself any more than you already have, you poor fragile snowflake...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @10:59PM (2 children)
Side effect of stress and prolonged periods of elevated cortisol in females - but you probably know that. If you were to trim the mustache, give yourself a comb-over and wear an SS uniform... then I think Aristarchus may let you peg him!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 15 2019, @06:01AM (1 child)
Leave me out of your weirdo fetish fantasies. There's one girl I work with who's growing a bit of fuzz and it's really disconcerting to watch.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Funny) by aristarchus on Monday April 15 2019, @11:58AM
Facial hair is no basis for a system of government! True authority derives from the mandate of the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony! I mean, if I claimed to be an Emperor, because some moistened Bint lobbed a scimitar at me, even if she did have a rather comely five-0-clock shadow, they'd lock me away!
(No doubt in the cell adjacent to those of the Mad US President, Don, and the Insane SN Editor, Janrinok , so my suffering would be complete, and unending. )
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:43AM
No Nazis, no Socialists, no Islamists? Tell us more, oh wise one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:26AM (5 children)
Why didn't they release their awesome new enterprise with a different name and no association with Gab?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 14 2019, @05:46AM (4 children)
Because generations of inbreeding are not conducive to either good opsec or sound decision-making skills? =P
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @10:55PM (3 children)
Wait, I thought Gab was alt-right. Are you saying they are Muslims or have the inbreeding problem too?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 15 2019, @06:09AM (2 children)
I notice a lot of violent, destructive, clannish people with ground-in authoritarian mindsets have an inbreeding problem. Kind of a chicken and egg issue, isn't it? If the rooster that fucked the hen was the same one that impregnated the hen that laid the egg that held the hen the rooster is fucking now. ...shit, that's confusing.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @12:00PM (1 child)
Just this:
https://uproxx.com/news/nazi-group-incest-scandal-traditional-workers-party-explained/ [uproxx.com]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 15 2019, @06:26PM
Aaaaahahaha, yessss, that's the one! :D This is all I will ever think of any time someone mentions groups like the Proud Boys or the TWP or any of the other sad-sack white supremacist mobs out there.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:21PM (2 children)
Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox are dropping support for TCP/IP because that protocol is being used to promote violence, hate speech, and discrimination.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:49AM (1 child)
I know you are joking, but they actually are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/3 [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 14 2019, @08:13AM
Nowhere in that page does it say that anyone will drop support for TCP. Yes, HTTP/3 will be based on QUIC instead, but there's no reason to assume that HTTP/2 support is dropped soon.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:32PM (11 children)
A GM script might be easier than rolling out a new browser and maintaining it.
Alternatively, they could just find a browser fork that lets people install unsigned extensions or whatever.
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(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:49PM (4 children)
I like the way you think.
Signed,
Very Honest Internet Hacker
(Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:59PM
More like:
Signed,
Windows 10 S Mode [microsoft.com] User
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:05PM (2 children)
As long as someone can get their hands on the plugin, they can install it and use it all they want.
No one is stopping anyone from doing so.
I use Firefox and if a plugin I try to install isn't from Mozilla, it asks me if I really want to install it. So, the choice is mine all the way.
That Mozilla and Google don't want to use their disk space and network bandwidth to *host* and *distribute* that software is up to them. If you don't like it, don't use Firefox or Chrome.
But neither platform is stopping you from running said plugin -- it will run just as well as it ever did on those browsers.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @08:12PM
"Mozilla requires all extensions to be signed by Mozilla in order for them to be installable in Release and Beta versions of Firefox."
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing [mozilla.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:34AM
But sure as shit they better bake a cake when asked, right?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:34PM (3 children)
Yup. Force Moz Corp to boil the sea, ban greasemonkey and any similar extension that allows unsigned code to run, go full iProduct. And induce the mother of ragestrokes in the userbase.
Yes, at this point I'm openly rooting for the destruction of Mozilla Corp and Firefox. From fanboy to implacable foe, behold the power of hate. They hated me, so now I return the favor.... with interest.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 14 2019, @05:35AM (2 children)
You don't need to hate them you know. At the absolute worst, you can just fork the code, can't you? And knock out whatever bits are in charge of enforcing extension signatures. Then tell all your friends (ppppphttthahahahahaha! ...sorry, sorry) about it, distribute the source and/or binaries to them along with the extension if you want, and have fun.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 14 2019, @08:16AM
But before you do yet another fork, please have a look at the forks that already exist.
I'm using Waterfox and I'm quite happy with it.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @10:58PM
IceCat did this for Firefox.
Their mobile version is far better.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by darkfeline on Saturday April 13 2019, @09:39PM (1 child)
More specifically, they can just fork Firefox or Chromium. Ah, the wonders of FOSS.
But really, this is about an extension being removed from the Official Extension Store TM. Both Firefox and Chromium allow installing extensions from alternative sources last I checked, so couldn't they just host their extensions as a download on their website?
Join the SDF Public Access UNIX System today!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @08:14PM
"Mozilla requires all extensions to be signed by Mozilla in order for them to be installable in Release and Beta versions of Firefox."
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing [mozilla.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:48PM (30 children)
What was the point of this? All they're doing is giving these fucking frothy lunatics more martyrdom fuel...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Gaaark on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:07PM (26 children)
I got off of gab because of the 'bad fringe elements' (plus I just don't GET Twitter, Facebook etc), but I DO support the idea of free speech.
GAB is being FORCED to go 'dark web' by those that want it to GO AWAY or that want to try to monitor it.
I say if they want to shut gab down, they should also shut down Facebook.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:32PM
Dear god, yes! And Facebook, with its mass surveillance, is far more of a danger than any garbage media platform full of neo-nazis could ever be.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by RandomFactor on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:56PM (24 children)
I would be happy if the break was Platform-vs.-NON-Platform.
If you attempt to censor your contents other than as required by law, you become a PUBLISHER with all associated liability.
If you are neutral and take no action other than those required by law, you are a CARRIER/PLATFORM and are not liable for what is published on the platform.
Right now they have the exemption from liability afforded to COMMON CARRIERS without the associated constraints placed on them.
How this happened I don't know, but it is predictably leading to abuse and oppression.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:01PM (7 children)
You're confusing *software repositories* with social media sites. I'll let you work out why that comparison is flawed yourself.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:19PM (6 children)
If you had argued that telecommunications wasn't social media you might have gone somewhere, as that's what I'm conflating.
I'm not sure where you got software repositories from.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:24PM (5 children)
You're right. What was I thinking?
It's not like this is a thread about Google/Mozilla removing a plugin from their *software repositories* or anything even resembling that, right?
*AC rolls eyes*
(Score: 2, Insightful) by RandomFactor on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:31PM (4 children)
Fair enough, context matters.
Regardless, it's not simply a repository issue. This does more than mean you have to load it elsewhere. It means you have to load it elsewhere every time you load firefox.
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(Score: 2) by dry on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:26AM (3 children)
Hey, I'm using a fringe Firefox fork, forked from 45ESR, and I have to hunt down most all extensions and even the easy ones like no-script triggers a bunch of warnings about unsigned scripts. It's part of being on the fringe, and at one time my fringe was very vocal.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:58PM
I'm hoping they get it to work better in the near future. I really don't want to switch browsers, but firefox has been honking me off more and more.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:00PM (1 child)
Yeah, Palemoon is getting its act together to making the plugin find and install process easier. Still more work to do.
(Score: 2) by dry on Monday April 15 2019, @12:01AM
A lot more fringe then Palemoon.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:04PM (15 children)
Hmm, OK. I'll censor the fuck out of everything I don't like whether it is required by law or not. And that is what the SM sites in question are doing. Thanks for letting us know you're OK with them following your sage advice.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:26PM (14 children)
I think you aren't understanding what I am saying, or the effect it would have.
Censoring your platform changes it from platform to publishing. This means assuming liability for anything published on the platform.
This incentivizes not censoring except as required by law, strongly.
The basic expectation of openness is what made these platforms grow so large. Now that they have done so, attaining near monopoly status, they are progressively changing how they do things and controlling information rather than passively retransmitting it.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:04AM (13 children)
I understood perfectly. And I'm saying what you call "censoring" is what I will do to keep my advertising dollars flooding in.
You see, your claim that if it isn't banned by law it should be allowed anywhere and everywhere isn't practical for my capitalism to function. If my advertisers don't want their products shown next to hate speech, or videos of animals being tortured, or little girls in bikinis, etc then I need to keep them happy. So, I can prevent the content my advertisers don't want, and most of my
productusers don't want, from ending up on my platform or I can try to figure out a way to allow everything on the platform but keep them apart from the people that don't want to see it.I am not censoring your right to free speech because your right to free speech does not exist on my platform. Governments that support free speech cannot restrict your free speech, but my platform is not a government. In fact, many governments (including yours) are demanding my platform do more to restrict content.
If you want platforms to be treated as publishers, and make platforms responsible for content, then we will limit what can be posted in order to protect our business, our advertising dollars, and our function as proxies to limit speech on behalf of governments that aren't allowed to.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:19AM (11 children)
And here is where we disagree on outcomes.
Limiting the platform in this fashion so you are not losing your shirt on liability (basically in house moderation of all content) will frustrate and lose your users as well.
Users will migrate to an open platform more like the social media companies of old, and the advertisers will follow because the platform is not what is important for advertising, the eyeballs are.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:38AM (10 children)
Who said anything about risk exposure? It is not liability we private organizations worry about, we are not the one's advocating violating anyone's human or legal rights. It is minimizing exposure to insanity that is our goal! That is what drives away decent people, the foaming at the mouth racism, misogyny, transphobia, and libertarianism. So it is in our interests to not allow such lunacy on our platforms. Quite simple, really. Political correctness is just another word for manners, and not being batshit crazy in public.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:55AM (7 children)
So look to PC activists for good manners?
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(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Sunday April 14 2019, @09:40AM (6 children)
Yes? Do you not think that those who incorrectly point out differences between races are not both rude factually incorrect? Those who point out that they are being racist are only trying to help them be more tactful and factually correct. Basically, PC Activists are trying to save cretin conservatives and alt-right types from publicly embarrassing themselves with their misguided ideology.
But it is like trying to show khallow the errors of his ways, when he is incapable of recognizing, let alone admitting, error.
"Conservatism: An ideology for those whom to think hurts them." Ogwald Spengler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:20PM (2 children)
Nice tautology.
Strong positive correlations for criminality in modern civilization? Low IQ? [psychologytoday.com] If you want to challenge it, you have to challenge "affirmative action". [googleusercontent.com] What else?
Black males do not have elevated testosterone as previously assumed, they do have elevated estradiol levels. [nih.gov] Symptoms of elevated estrogen in males include depression [nih.gov] and poor emotional regulation. The irony of "toxic masculinity" being associated with increased levels of estrogen!
Discussing genetic, [springer.com] environmental [nih.gov] and nutritional [universityworldnews.com] effects on behavior is not "muh racism". We are what we eat and you need to layoff the excrement because you're full of it!
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Sunday April 14 2019, @02:18PM
Indeed. I would also argue against 'rude' being related to correctness or incorrectness to any significant degree.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @12:13PM
I just read an article in a most prestigious journal by leading scientists, and they said white supremacist have, on average, mind you, phalli that are 3 inches shorter than normal, or approximately 6.8cm. Not sure if they measured the men, or the women, or if it would have made a difference. Racism = bad science. End of story.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Sunday April 14 2019, @02:20PM (2 children)
Uhh...are you asking or answering?
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(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Monday April 15 2019, @10:47AM (1 child)
Uh huh. Are you cognitively challenged?
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Monday April 15 2019, @10:48PM
Depends if any of theses are cognitive impairments
- often stops reading when hitting obvious logical fallacies in a post.
- often abandons conversations with oviously invalid/unshared premises/assertions (unless addressable)
- rarely puts more than a passing thought into, or leaves hanging, conversations where a participant descends into incivility
This results in 'losing' a lot of arguments from some perspectives (or in this case accusations of cognitive deficiency). So be it.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @10:51AM (1 child)
If you are a publisher you are liable for everything on your site, regardless of who put it there. Expect slander/libel suits to come rolling in unless you either censor heavily or have the just-a-carrier defense. That means expect anything more controversial than 'I like strawberry icecream' to be censored.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:04AM
I hate strawberry ice cream, and only white supremacists like strawberry ice cream! Everyone knows it has to be strawberry cheesecake ice cream. Geez, does stuff like this still need to be expained?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 14 2019, @02:10PM
I think you're passing the buck here.
"Alright, people, I'm not actually censoring anything, it's the ADVERTISERS WITH LOTS OF MONEY who demand the censorship. They have money, so it's alright to censor. Don't blame me!"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:16PM (2 children)
It is a mistake. They are giving them more fuel.
Gab has some loopy users, but they are easily muted. They can comment all they want, and other users can choose not to listen to them all they want. It's a simple but honest solution.
I would say that Gab users are generally incensed at the censorship being enacted against them on many other platforms now. Of course they are. Anyone would be. The rest of us who do not share their views should be incensed with them, if we want to continue to claim to hallow the freedom of expression.
In the past we have not allowed private businesses to refuse service to Jews, blacks, and the like, but now suddenly a disgraceful number of people on the Left seem to think it's OK to do that to conservatives, men, whites, and other groups they don't like. If it's despicable to do that to those former (and it is!), it must also be to do that to those latter.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:36PM
No, no, no! You see, it's okay when they do it. They are the High Holy Ones, whose every action is by definition right and good and just.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @07:05PM
just like forced association and "diversity promotion"(discrimination against the unpromoted groups) is not racist/sexist/discriminatory as long as you are discriminating against people you think deserve it. it's obvious on it's face but people are sooo fucking stupid.
(Score: 3, Funny) by ilPapa on Saturday April 13 2019, @06:51PM (23 children)
Please help me promote the idea of all the alt-right, MRAs, Nazis, and MAGA types to move off of Twitter and Facebook and onto Gab. Teach those libs a lesson, amirite?
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by RandomFactor on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:25PM (12 children)
Those are already strongly represented there, along with libertarians, Gun Rights activists, really any group or viewpoint that's been getting de-platformed on other social networks tends to head that way.
As long as they do not break the law, they can say their piece and voluntarily network with others to discuss ideas, argue, etc. to their heart's content.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:39PM (11 children)
The whole 'Start your own platform if you don't like what the big ones are doing!' argument is and always has been a ruse, anyway. When these people actually follow that advice, their payment processors, web hosts, and even domain registrars attempt to deplatform them, making very expensive to operate any sort of alternative platform that is actually permissive regarding speech. The latter two can be largely worked around, but playing cat and mouse games with payment processors can quickly lead to financial ruin.
It's amazing to me how people who otherwise claim to be skeptical of large corporations suddenly become Free Market Supremacists when the topic of corporate censorship comes up.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:47PM (5 children)
It's one thing that makes GAB interesting. It has survived, and apparently prospered, multiple times when I fully expected it to die due to measures being taken against it.
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by jmorris on Saturday April 13 2019, @08:56PM (4 children)
Now see the horrible truth. A social media service can run on Gab's budget in the face of every hand being set against them. So banned that netcraft doesn't say they are dying because they won't even admit the domain exists. Seriously, go look for yourself! Yes Scalability Mountain sits between Gab and Twitter but it isn't THAT expensive to overcome anymore. So where are the markets seeing $26B of value in Twitter? Or half a trillion in Facebook? Hint: It ain't a good thing.
Gab is currently heavy on political dissidents because those folk have few other options. If that were the whole story the System would be happy to have them safely segregated, and on an open enough platform the FBI, SPLC, etc can keep an eye on it. Vs the dark web, for example. They attack Gab for its users, but they are liars, ALWAYS, so look for the lie. The fear gab for what it could become, what it is the harbinger of. Where social media isn't a feeding frenzy for the Clowns and the marketing agencies. Gab has no ads, operates mostly on donations. Call it donations since the plums offered to subscribers are not much more than Soylent offers, And it lives. Against a world out to destroy it it lives, it grows, it is becoming part an alternate Internet, an alternate financial system. Because it must do these things to live, others will have an easier time following the path they are clearing.
The world is about to change. Many fear this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:39AM
What is this "Gab" you speak of?
(Score: 3, Touché) by ilPapa on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:12AM (2 children)
These jackoffs think unwavering support for the President of the United States makes you a "political dissident".
SMH
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:21AM (1 child)
You funny. You think Trump is unconditional on gab? Obviously you have never been. They just don't disapprove of the same things you likely do.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:11AM
jmorris, we all know you let Trump just grab you by the genitals, because that is how positions of authority cream the pants of authoritarian lovers like your self. Did you ever once Touch [soylentnews.org] George Walker Bush, and feel his charisma and manliness? Did you want too? Are you Bi-curious?
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:15PM (2 children)
Then let them start their own payment processors, web hosting, and domain registrars! This whole "We go out of our way to offend as many people as possible but they don't like it and won't do businesses with us! Whaaaa!" entitlement is pure bullshit. If you want to stake your claim to ground so outside of the social and cultural norms then set up shop out there too. You can't have "we hate anyone different than us!" and "why won't companies do business with us?!?" at the same time. Pool your money and form your own First Nationalist Bank For Whites. Then create your Citizenship Card (you certainly don't want to use a Visa Card), or maybe a Master Race Card (if Master Card doesn't sue you). After that it's only infrastructure and fees before you're well on your way to taking payments.
BTW, once your bank and CC processing is in place you're going to need 24/7 customer service. I hear there are low-cost call center services in other countries. You owe it to your members to keep your service fees as low as possible.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:39PM (1 child)
The thing is that this is a totally dishonest argument because you don't believe it's reasonable to expect that people be able to start their own payment processor, web hosting, and domain registrar companies, And, you don't even have to try to offend people in order for people to be offended.
I am a principled progressive who is skeptical of corporations and the 'free market' across the board. That is why this current trend of deplatforming people and even deplatforming platforms is concerning to me. Right now, it might be targeted at people you don't like, but since mega-corporations are not even remotely on your side, you'll find that people you do like will eventually be targeted. In fact, that has already happened: Youtube's so-called adpocalypse affected far more people than just neo-nazis, including many small progressive news channels.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:54AM
This is ultimately what will happen.
I don't know why you're skeptical of the free market but the corporatism of the modern left is concerning. Fascism is corporatism.
IIRC it was youtube channels for LBTQ youth hardest hit, courtesy of an NYT hit piece on Pewdiepie. The establishment, global-homo left has gone completely nuts as their narrative self-destructs due to inherent contradictions. Countless former progressives like myself are forced to side with the center right and still the fools double down on their divisive nonsense. The left was always against globalization and mass-immigration because we stood for the common man. We were against persecution of anybody based on skin color, ethnicity or sexual proclivity. We won, we created the most equal and fair society in all of human history yet the modern "left" are openly racist and side with corporations. They're not left wing, they are not for progress and they do not speak for me. Modern "progressives" are authoritarians who would all have been Christian social conservatives just 20 years ago -- I despise both positions and the personalities involved equally.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:48AM
That's why we need decentralized, federated platforms that don't require web hosts, payment processors (or payments for that matter) or even domain registrars (with free dynamic DNS services).
Getting there won't be easy as there are many entrenched players who will fight this really hard [soylentnews.org], as it cuts directly into their slimy, spying, scumbag bottom lines.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @07:07PM
that's what monero is for.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:56PM (9 children)
The left have plenty of villainous labels for people not sharing their beliefs. Then they use whatever power they have to censor, drive out, unperson and wield their authoritarian hand. Jokes in favor of it ring hollow at least to me.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @11:18PM (8 children)
Yes, those horrible people against hate speech. Now, those in favor of hate speech have ... wait for it ... villainous labels for people not sharing their skin color, ethnicity or religious beliefs. This is the pot calling the kettle
blacknon-white.(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @12:58AM (7 children)
"hate speech" is constitutionally protected speech. They say it and we call them out. Isn't hating free speech "hate speech" in and of itself?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:17AM (1 child)
Is being intolerant of people who are intolerant of you intolerance?
Hate speech may be constitutionally protected, but that doesn't mean it has to be accepted or tolerated by civilized people. Something does not have to be illegal for it to be shunned by society.
The whole white supremacy bullshit is based on tribalism. The irony here is that long before there were "laws" tribes had cultural norms that were accepted within their tribes. And they banished those who violated them. Now white "nationalists" want to be accepted (e.g., not be banished by society) while they are claiming everyone else should have to leave "their" country.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @05:47AM
Book-burning nazis against censorship. The irony is strong but those people will never see it. It's against republican party policy.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:24AM (4 children)
I will fuck you for saying this! I will kill you for saying this! I will rape your dog, burn your house, taunt your cat with a laser pointer, and convert your daughter to democratic socialism! And you have the gall to say that I cannot threaten you like this, when I know your home address, or at least your IP address, and I am coming for you? See, you obviously white privileged motherfucker, words have consequences, and you are responsible for the consequences of your words, just as I am for mine threatening you.
However, since I am only an AC on the internets, I am sorry I can offer nothing in compensation, other than the advice to go wash your underware and pants, so they will not reek of urine. But, fun while it lasted? Enjoy your White Genocide!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:50PM (2 children)
Taunt his cat with a laser pointer? YOU MONSTER!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @12:52AM (1 child)
Cats *love* laser pointers!
They'll chase the dot for *hours*. They know it's not real and they love it anyway.
I've gone through many laser pointer batteries and my cats just can't get enough.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @12:20PM
And, you sadistic bastard! You just had to open the box, didn't you? And now we know, one way or the other, the quantum state of your cates. Discrete, or polycartisian?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:05PM
Well, you didn't threaten to convert him to islam you are not all that bad
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:12PM (4 children)
there is only speech that someone else is offended by. are people such slaves that they can't see how short sighted it is to let the government ignore everyone's constitutionally recognized natural rights for temporary protection from offense? if you don't like what i say don't listen. you are responsible for your own ears. just like you are responsible for your own immune system. i will not be injected like a farm animal and i will say what i want. if you pass laws to make this a crime you will guarantee a civil war. we may have to split this country up by political ideology. there can be no quarter afforded for these state socialists, and their useful idiots hell bent on destroying what's left of America.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13 2019, @07:58PM (3 children)
Which "law" is it that forces Google and Mozilla to take these actions? What's that? I can't hear you.
Exactly. You're talking out of your ass and it smells that way too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:46AM (2 children)
Civil war? What, the twenty or so "friends of jmorris" on Gab, furiously sockpuppeting to make it look like they are a force to be reckoned with? https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/02/hate-speech-social-media-site-gab-caught-inflating-numbers/ [lgbtqnation.com]
It's gonna be Waco all over again! But with out the Messiah complex and pederasty. Or Ruby Ridge! Or The Montana Freemen out in central Montana! Or the Malheur Refuge, with industrial size barrels of lube. Yep, at it would take is some visionary like Charles Manson to start the race war and bring on the utopia of Whiteness.
This is why we cannot have white supremacist, and what makes it NOT ok to be white. These white people lack basic cognitive function.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @07:11PM (1 child)
don't forget Oklahoma City, bitch.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2019, @12:58AM
Umm...what's your point?
Is Oklahoma now a "free state" outside the purview of the Federal government?
Where are Timothy McVeigh [wikipedia.org] and Terry Nichols [wikipedia.org]?
And what about the civil war they were trying to inspire?
All you got was a couple hate-filled pieces of shit murdering innocent people. That's your ideal? I think you should follow in your footsteps and then spend the rest of your life in an 8x8 box. Have fun!