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posted by mrpg on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:00AM   Printer-friendly
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BMW, Daimler, Volkswagen charged by EU regulators with emissions collusion

BRUSSELS -- BMW and Volkswagen face possible hefty fines after EU antitrust regulators on Friday charged the German carmakers and whistleblower Daimler with colluding to block the rollout of clean-emissions technology.

In the latest pollution scandal to hit the auto industry, the European Commission said it had sent so-called statements of objections to the companies setting out the charges, nearly two years after carrying out dawn raids at their premises.

It said the collusion occurred between 2006 to 2014 and took place during technical meetings held by the "circle of five", namely BMW, Daimler and Volkswagen Group's VW, Audi and Porsche.


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:24AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:24AM (#829221)

    Are Daimler engineers gonna get wedgied at conferences now?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:29AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:29AM (#829235)

    Some kinda engineering...

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday April 14 2019, @05:06AM

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday April 14 2019, @05:06AM (#829252) Homepage

    We all know the Germans are good at gassing. Which is why the Jews won't let them keep getting away with it.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:19PM (6 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 14 2019, @01:19PM (#829357) Journal
    It appears that the complaint is that these companies colluded to stop development and deployment of pollution control devices which would be a case of anti-competitive behavior.

    One thing however is whether the pollution control devices are actually desired by customers. If instead, they increase the cost of operating the vehicle while hurting its performance, then there's a good chance that the delay in deploying these devices is due to customer demand instead of collusion. The complaint in question considered this feature an unalloyed good that customers would want. If it's not, and the auto companies in question would act the same, then the case might be weaker.

    I suspect also the real problem is interaction with ratcheting regulation. If someone had developed more aggressive pollution control technology, then it might be quickly mandated to be permanently required on all German vehicles. This would likely lead to passive-aggressive tactics where pollution control technologies are delayed in order to delay said regulatary escalation.
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:14PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @03:14PM (#829385)

      I didn't RTFA -- is this a question of not implementing an existing technology, or cheating on a test because the technology doesn't exist to pass the test?

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday April 15 2019, @04:36AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 15 2019, @04:36AM (#829646) Journal
        Sounds like it's more nebulous than that. Coordinating an industry non-investigation of such technologies.
    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:01PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @04:01PM (#829400)

      One thing however is whether the pollution control devices are actually desired by customers.

      That is completely immaterial if they are mandated by the government.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:47PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 14 2019, @06:47PM (#829443)

        fuck the government parasites.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:05PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 14 2019, @11:05PM (#829518) Journal

        That is completely immaterial if they are mandated by the government.

        If the government doesn't know about them (say because they're not developed in the first place), they can't mandate them.

      • (Score: 2) by DeVilla on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:23AM

        by DeVilla (5354) on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:23AM (#830839)

        I'm curious if the mandate required more efficiently than reasonable possible at the time. Was the government effectively mandating a new value for pi?

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