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from the still-an-improvement dept.

Intel 9th Gen Core Processors: All the Desktop and Mobile 45W CPUs Announced

Dubbed 'Coffee Lake Refresh', the 9th generation of Intel's Core CPU product line is a direct refresh of its 8th generation Coffee Lake hardware, with minor enhancements such as a better thermal interface on the high end processors, support for up to 8 cores, and newer chipsets with integrated USB 3.1 Gen2 (10Gbps) and CNVi-enabled Wi-Fi. The hardware is still fundamentally the original 6th Gen Skylake microarchitecture underneath, from 2016, but built on Intel's latest 14nm process variant, in order to extract additional frequency and efficiency, and with more cores at the high-end.

Intel may continue to be largely stuck on a "14nm" process for years to come:

Intel CPU 2018-2021 Roadmap Leaks Out – Up To 10 Core Comet Lake-S Desktop CPUs in 2020, 14nm Rocket Lake-S in 2021, No 10nm LGA Parts Till 2022

The latest roadmaps come from Tweakers and detail both the Client Commercial CPU products and the Client Mobile CPU products which would be introduced in the future. The authenticity of these roadmaps cannot be confirmed but they are referenced back to the Intel's SIP program and DELL so there might be some legitimacy to them.

[...] It looks like Intel will stick with 14nm++ for a while as the roadmap reveals. Around Q2 2020, Intel will launch their Comet Lake-S processors, featuring up to 10 core SKUs. These would be followed by Intel's Rocket Lake-S parts which would also be based on an optimized 14nm process node. It looks like we can expect a 10nm or sub-10nm part from Intel only around 2022 which is about the same time Intel is expected to launch their Ocean Cove CPU architecture.

Ocean Cove is a future chip architecture under development at Intel which will launch after Golden Cove (2021), the successor to Willow Cove (2020) which itself is the successor to Intel's Sunny Cove (Ice Lake) core's architecture.

The roadmap shows Intel using "10nm" sooner for some mobility (laptop) CPUs.

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Intel CEO Blames "10nm" Delays on Aggressive Density Target, Promises "7nm" for 2021 10 comments

Intel says it was too aggressive pursuing 10nm, will have 7nm chips in 2021

[Intel's CEO Bob] Swan made a public appearance at Fortune's Brainstorm Tech conference in Aspen, Colorado, on Tuesday and explained to the audience in attendance that Intel essentially set the bar too high for itself in pursuing 10nm. More specifically, he pointed to Intel's overly "aggressive goal" of going after a 2.7x transistor density improvement over 14nm.

[...] Needless to say, the 10nm delays have caused Intel to fall well behind that transistor density doubling. Many have proclaimed Moore's Law as dead, but as far as Swan is concerned, Moore's Law is not dead. It apparently just needed to undergo an unexpected surgery.

"The challenges of being late on this latest [10nm] node of Moore's Law was somewhat a function of what we've been able to do in the past, which in essence was define the odds on scaling the infrastructure," Swan explains. Bumping up to a 2.7x scaling factor proved to be "very complicated," more so than Intel anticipated. He also says that Intel erred when it "prioritized performance at a time when predictability was really important."

"The short story is we learned from it, we'll get our 10nm node out this year. Our 7nm node will be out in two years and it will be a 2.0X scaling so back to the historical Moore's Law curve," Swan added.

Also at Fortune and Tom's Hardware.


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Intel's Process Nodes Will Trail Behind Competitors Until at Least Late 2021 16 comments

Intel Says Process Tech to Lag Competitors Until Late 2021, Will Regain Lead with 5nm (archive)

It appears that 2020 and 2021 are going to be long years for Intel. CFO George Davis presented at the Morgan Stanley conference yesterday covering a wide range of topics, but noted that despite being "undoubtedly in the 10nm era," the company felt that it would not reach process parity with competitors until it produces the 7nm node at the tail end of 2021. Davis also said that Intel wouldn't regain process leadership until it produces the 5nm node at an unspecified date.

Davis commented that the company was "definitely in the 10nm era" with Ice Lake client chips and networking ASICs already shipping, along with the pending release of discrete GPUs and Ice Lake Xeons. Intel is also moving well along the path of inter-node development, which consists of "+" revisions to existing processes. Davis said the 10nm inter-node step provides a "step-function move" with the Tiger Lake chips based on the 10nm+ process as the company awaits its 7nm process.

However, Davis noted that in spite of the shipping products and pending "+" revisions to the 10nm process, its process node still lags behind competitors, stating:

"So we bring a lot of capability to the table for our customers, in addition to the CPU, and we feel like we're starting to see the acceleration on the process side that we have been talking about to get back to parity in the 7nm generation and regain leadership in the 5nm generation."

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Friday April 26 2019, @01:13AM (4 children)

    by takyon (881) <> on Friday April 26 2019, @01:13AM (#834975) Journal

    Intel Stock Drops After Slashing Its Forecast For 2019 []

    So just why is Intel forecasting weak numbers for the remainder of the year? We are most likely witnessing Intel guiding down for 2019 as a direct response to the very real threat that AMD is presenting to the chip-maker.

    It seems Intel has weathered 2018 and the first quarter of 2019 very well with its aging Core micro-architecture when it comes to desktop and laptop PCs. The warning bells begin to go off when we take a look at Intel’s data center business. AMD has been reporting small, but consistent inroads to this market with its EPYC line of processors, and once the next generation of 7nm EPYC parts lands later this year, things will become even more competitive for Chipzilla.

    Intel is in a difficult spot since the firm has been experiencing very well publicized delays and cost overruns on its troubled 10nm process. While Intel’s foundries have been an asset to the company for many years, now it's becoming a liability in some ways as the company is forced into spending massively on its R&D to bring its 7nm-equivalent process to bear while watching the clock tick by.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26 2019, @06:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26 2019, @06:39AM (#835018)

      Excellent! Hopefully this will light a fire under Intel's ass to innovate and make better products, instead of just resting on its laurels or paying off OEMs to not use superior products from competitors like before.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26 2019, @10:56AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26 2019, @10:56AM (#835056)

      spending massively on its R&D to bring its 7nm-equivalent process to bear while watching the clock tick by.

      But but them Chinaman are just stealing the IPs!!11!!1 oh wait... now they are ahead?? Better ban them like Huawei. Only way to free market compete!

      And yes, this was sarcasm for the clueless.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26 2019, @12:43PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 26 2019, @12:43PM (#835085)

        You are so Right, TMSC needs to be the next victim of the commercial war.