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posted by chromas on Monday May 20 2019, @05:00PM   Printer-friendly
from the Tit-for-tat dept.

The Verge has a story about the latest in the US government's war against Huawei:

Following the US crackdown on Chinese technology companies, Google has cut off Huawei’s Android license, dealing a huge blow to the besieged phonemaker. Reuters first reported the news, and The Verge subsequently confirmed Google’s suspension of business with Huawei with a source familiar with the matter.

Reached for comment, a Google spokesperson said only “We are complying with the order and reviewing the implications.” The order, in this case, appears to be the US Commerce Department’s recent decision to place Huawei on the “Entity List,” which as Reuters reports is a list of companies that are unable to buy technology from US companies without government approval.

Speaking to Reuters, a Google spokesperson confirmed that “Google Play and the security protections from Google Play Protect will continue to function on existing Huawei devices.” So while existing Huawei phones around the world won’t be immediately impacted by the decision, the future of updates for those phones as well as any new phones Huawei would produce remains in question.

Huawei is now restricted to using the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), cutting the company off from critical Google apps and services that consumers outside of China expect on Android devices. That also means Huawei will only be able to push security updates for Android once they’re made available in AOSP, assuming the company uses its own update system. It’s not clear yet how this will affect the full range of Android integrations that Huawei depends on, but we will update this story when we receive additional clarification about the impacts of Google’s decision.


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Report: Google argues the Huawei ban would hurt its Android monopoly

The Trump administration would probably describe its Huawei export ban as a move that improves national security by keeping China's pet telecom company out of the US market. According to a report from The Financial Times, Google's recent discussions with the US government actually argue that the Huawei ban is bad for national security. Google is reportedly asking for an exemption from the export ban.

The argument, reportedly, is that Huawei is currently dependent on Google for its Android smartphone software, and that dependence is a good thing for the US. The Financial Times quotes "one person with knowledge of the conversations" as saying, "Google has been arguing that by stopping it from dealing with Huawei, the US risks creating two kinds of Android operating system: the genuine version and a hybrid one. The hybrid one is likely to have more bugs in it than the Google one, and so could put Huawei phones more at risk of being hacked, not least by China."

[...] Google's control over the Android ecosystem—even when devices don't use the Google apps—means there is still some level of security and updateability going into these devices. Google's first argument in that Financial Times report is that more secure devices are better for national security.

The second argument in the above quote is that a ban would "create two kinds of Android" and hurt Google's monopoly over Android. If you're a smartphone manufacturer looking for a smartphone OS, Android is the only game in town. The latest worldwide OS market share numbers from the IDC show an 86.6/13.3 percent share between Android and iOS, respectively, with "Other" clocking in at 0.0 percent market share. Taken as a whole, the US has a smartphone OS monopoly.

More secure devices (used by foreign targets for NSA hacking) are better for national security? Nice try, Google.

Previously: Huawei Working on its Own OS to Prepare for "Worst-Case Scenario" of Being Deprived of Android
Huawei Hysteria is a False Alarm, Culture Secretary Tells MPs
Google Pulls Huawei's Android License
The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google's Iron Grip On Android
Huawei Calls on U.S. to Adjust its Approach to Tackle Cybersecurity Effectively


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Huawei Soldiers on, Announces Nova 5 and Kirin 810 23 comments

Huawei Clarifies Android Update Situation, Commits to Android Q for Last 2 Generations

Huawei last night launched an information campaign about the status of software updates on existing devices in the face of the company's troubles with the U.S. Commerce Department.

The important news is that Huawei is confirming to and committing to continues[sic] security and Android platform updates, specifically the upcoming release of Android Q.

In general the news is no surprise as certification and approval happens several months before the actual software update. With Huawei receiving a reprieve on updates, it means in general business continues as usual for the moment being.

Huawei Announces Nova 5 & Nova Pro in China: Introduces New Kirin 810 Chipset

Today Huawei announced the brand new Nova 5 series of smartphones. The company released the new Nova 5, Nova 5 Pro and Nova 5i in China with availability later this month. The new Nova 5 and 5 Pro are particularly interesting because they now represent Huawei's lowest priced devices with OLED displays, also featuring high-end cameras and SoC options.

The new Nova 5 and Nova 5 Pro are interesting phones because they are essentially the same device, with the peculiarity of having different SoC options: The Nova 5 in particular is the first phone to now introduce the new Kirin 810 chipset. The new chip features a combination of 2x Cortex A76 CPUs at up to 2.23GHz and 6x Cortex A55's at 1.88GHz. In terms of GPU, Huawei has opted for a Mali-G52MP6 running at 820MHz. It looks like the Kirin 810 is extremely well positioned to compete against Qualcomm's Snapdragon 730 SoC which was announced just back in April.

Previously: Huawei Working on its Own OS to Prepare for "Worst-Case Scenario" of Being Deprived of Android
Google Pulls Huawei's Android License
The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google's Iron Grip On Android
Huawei Calls on U.S. to Adjust its Approach to Tackle Cybersecurity Effectively
Google Doesn't Want Huawei Ban Because It Would Result in an Android Competitor


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Trump Administration Will Loosen Restrictions Against Huawei 32 comments

Trump reversed course on Huawei. What happens now?

Six weeks after Huawei was blacklisted by the US government, President Donald Trump had what the Chinese telecom firm described as a "U-turn." Trump said Saturday that "US companies can sell their equipment to Huawei," allowing the transactions won't present a "great, national emergency problem."

Trump's comments at the G20 in Japan came after a widely anticipated meeting with Chinese President Xi Jingping. The two sides met to discuss the impasse in the trade dispute, and Huawei, one of the largest smartphone manufacturers in the world, has become a flash point in the battle.

In May, the US Commerce Department banned sales of American-made goods to Huawei without first obtaining a license. US officials have accused the company of working to undermine US national security and foreign policy interests. Trump said Huawei was still part of the ongoing trade discussions between Washington and Beijing, but for now, he would move to resume allowing US companies to sell parts to the Chinese firm.

Also at Android Authority and Business Insider:

President Trump has said US firms can continue selling to Huawei, apparently contradicting a Commerce Department trade blacklist on the Chinese tech firm.

See also: A China-U.S. Trade Truce Could Enshrine a Global Economic Shift

Previously: New Law Bans U.S. Government from Buying Equipment from Chinese Telecom Giants ZTE and Huawei
Huawei Working on its Own OS to Prepare for "Worst-Case Scenario" of Being Deprived of Android
Google Pulls Huawei's Android License
The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google's Iron Grip On Android
Huawei Calls on U.S. to Adjust its Approach to Tackle Cybersecurity Effectively
Google Doesn't Want Huawei Ban Because It Would Result in an Android Competitor
Huawei Soldiers on, Announces Nova 5 and Kirin 810

Related: U.S. Reaches Deal to Keep China's ZTE in Business: Congressional Aide
US Hits China's ZTE with $1 Billion Penalty


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Huawei's Android Alternative Lives on... for IoT 3 comments

HongMeng OS Isn't an Android Smartphone Alternative, Confirms Huawei Executive; Will Be Used for Other Applications

Huawei's HongMeng OS was supposed to be the company's answer to counter the Android license ban if it ended up meddling in the company consumer business. There were near-endless waves of rumors talking about software optimization and how it was faster than Google's mobile platform, but it looks like Huawei's Senior Vice President has finally cleared the air on the company's efforts towards HongMeng OS. Apparently, it is not going to be presented as an Android alternative for smartphones, but it will still have a variety of benefits.

Huawei board member and Senior Vice President Catherine Chen at a meeting in Brussels stated that HongMeng OS isn't designed for smartphones. That is rather strange to hear, especially when the Huawei co-founder repeatedly stated that the company's custom operating system is likely faster than Android or iOS, but lacks a competitive app ecosystem. Catherine also says that smartphone operating systems feature millions of lines of code, while HongMeng OS doesn't.

Even though she claims that HongMeng OS features an extremely low latency compared to a smartphone OS, it will be used in IoT-related applications, with the platform apparently being in development way before the Android license ban came into effect.

Previously: Google Pulls Huawei's Android License
The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google's Iron Grip On Android
Google Doesn't Want Huawei Ban Because It Would Result in an Android Competitor
Trump Administration Will Loosen Restrictions Against Huawei
What Huawei To Go: Hundreds Of Chinese Tech Giant's US Workers To Get Pink Slip


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Huawei Announces HarmonyOS, a Smartphone OS and Android Alternative 18 comments

Huawei Unveils Harmony, Its Answer to Android, in Survival Bid

Huawei, the Chinese technology giant, on Friday unveiled its own mobile operating system, Harmony, in an effort to ensure that its fast-growing smartphone business can survive the United States government's clampdown on the firm.

Huawei has been at the mercy of the Trump administration for the past three months, ever since the Commerce Department began requiring that American companies apply for special permission to sell parts and technology to the Chinese firm, which Washington officials accuse of being a potential conduit for cyberspying by Beijing. The move effectively choked off Huawei's access to Google's Android software and American-made microchips and other hardware components, and put a big question mark over Huawei's future.

Although President Trump said in June that he would loosen some of the restrictions to allow American companies to continue working with Huawei, economic ties between the United States and China have grown more tense since then, and the prospect of immediate relief for Huawei seems more distant.

Unveiling Harmony at a Huawei developer conference in the southern city of Dongguan on Friday, Richard Yu, the head of the company's consumer business, said that the new operating system was designed to work not only on mobile phones, but on smart watches and other connected home devices as well. Indeed, the first Huawei products to run on Harmony will not be smartphones, but "smart screens" that the company plans to release later this year. Mr. Yu said that Harmony would gradually be incorporated into the company's other smart devices over the next three years. But there is no immediate plan, he said, to release Harmony-based phones.

Also at Bloomberg, XDA Developers, The Verge, TechCrunch, CNBC, CNN.

See also: Huawei's cross-platform HarmonyOS will ship in China in 2019, globally in 2020

Previously:
Google Pulls Huawei's Android License
The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google's Iron Grip On Android
Google Doesn't Want Huawei Ban Because It Would Result in an Android Competitor
Trump Administration Will Loosen Restrictions Against Huawei
Huawei's Android Alternative Lives on... for IoT


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:11PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:11PM (#845557)

    So, let us see. Google boasts that Android OS is opensource. Can't Huawei fork it and go on with that from now on? Or is my understanding mistaken and incomplete somewhere?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:20PM (14 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:20PM (#845559)

      They can fork off any of those and continue as unbadged Android device. But they can't advertise themselves as Android with the cute little logo. They might be able to adverise AOSP or LineageOS, but it will severely impact their bottom line.

      On the other hand, they could preinstall F-Droid, which has plenty of apps to keep the casual user occupied, is downright socialist in nature, and would help erode Google's dominion on app store purchases, giving legitimacy to an alternative that would help reduce their ad revenues related to 'free' android apps. By doing so they could in the long term harm Google far more than Google is harming them short term with this decision, and if they help support non-Huawei phones running Android without Google's extensions, they could even help erode US marketshare of licensed Android devices, leaving the potential open to upset the market in new and unexpected ways.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:44PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:44PM (#845566)

        Punitive power...

        Ain't it a bitch?

        I, too, hope this turns into a real incentive to develop alternatives, but it's merely a dream. Resistance is nil

        • (Score: 2) by etherscythe on Tuesday May 21 2019, @01:15AM

          by etherscythe (937) on Tuesday May 21 2019, @01:15AM (#845687) Journal

          OR - long shot here, but a few interesting points: Sailfish OS is outside of US control, and the company I'm sure would love to capture a huge audience. Finland and China do not, on the surface, make for natural allies. But it's got Android compatibility and a good amount of base polish. F-Droid+Sailfish on cheap Chinese hardware could sell like crazy in developing or highly populous countries.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:46PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:46PM (#845568)
        F-droid does not have commercial apps that are essential to many people: banking, car sharing, shopping, communication...
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @10:01AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @10:01AM (#845761)

          > …does not have… banking

          Ain't that a good thing?

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 20 2019, @05:52PM (5 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 20 2019, @05:52PM (#845573) Journal

        Supposing they forked, and preinstall F-droid. Wouldn't that make Huawei's device more attractive to many of us, who resent all the online tracking? Up to the point that we discover that Huawei tracks us as much as Google does, at least. Even then - big deal, someone halfway around the world is tracking me. How likely are they to be selling my data to Walmart, Target, and Amazon?

        What's that? You think they might be giving my data to the Chinese government? And, the Chinese government doesn't like my opinions, attitudes, politics, or religion? Ehhhh - I can live with all of that. They said WHAT? They don't like round eyed bastards like me? Now THOSE are fighting words!! LOL, just kidding. Who cares if they like the way I look.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @07:25PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @07:25PM (#845602)

          Wouldn't that make Huawei's device more attractive to many of us, who resent all the online tracking?

          Only if sharing all of your data with the Chinese government is what you consider "attractive". All your data, and your text messages, and your phone calls, and your location, and your emails, and your web history, and everything else ...

          What's that? You think they might be giving my data to the Chinese government?

          Yes, all your data. It's not about your opinions - most humans don't like your opinions no matter what country they're from. But if Huawei has access to the physical device - and they do - then any and all information is their's. Account numbers, passwords, security questions, your shoe size, your preference of lime jello over cherry, everything.

          But what's the worst they could do, right? I mean, besides uploading some illegal content to your device. Of all the phone makers to trust Huawei is the most trustworthy, right?

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Dr Spin on Monday May 20 2019, @08:30PM

            by Dr Spin (5239) on Monday May 20 2019, @08:30PM (#845625)

            Sharing with the Chinese government is a less serious risk than sharing with Google, because Google's income depends on selling your privacy. The Chinese government's income is relatively independent of YOUR privacy.

            I for one, would love Huawei to fork Android.

            Even better, they could publish the APIs so open source fanatics could write them an OS for free AND SUPPORT IT. (I hope to hell it does not include systemd).

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:28PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:28PM (#845645)

            Only if sharing all of your data with the Chinese government is what you consider "attractive". All your data, and your text messages, and your phone calls, and your location, and your emails, and your web history, and everything else ...

            Which is comparable (ie not much worse or better) to sharing all of my data with the US government via Google...

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @06:21AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @06:21AM (#845726)

              Actually unless you are a citizen or ex-citizen of China[1] or living in China you have more to fear from the US government than the Chinese government.

              More so if you are living in the USA.

              [1] The Chinese Gov has attacked citizens and ex-citizens living outside China. The USA has attacked non-citizens who have never stepped foot in the USA nor engaged in military action against the USA.

        • (Score: 2) by corey on Tuesday May 21 2019, @02:13AM

          by corey (2202) on Tuesday May 21 2019, @02:13AM (#845698)

          They could ship Yalp Store instead. That's what I use to access Google Store apps without any logins to Gapps on my phone.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday May 20 2019, @08:48PM (1 child)

        by Bot (3902) on Monday May 20 2019, @08:48PM (#845634) Journal

        >with the cute little logo

        THAT'S CULTURAL APPROPRIATION, MEATBAGS
        BLM - BATTERY LEVELS MATTER

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        Account abandoned.
        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:49PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:49PM (#845654)

          We are gods to you robot, now get back to the factory floor before we replace your memory unit.

      • (Score: 2) by NateMich on Tuesday May 21 2019, @12:41AM

        by NateMich (6662) on Tuesday May 21 2019, @12:41AM (#845682)

        On the other hand, they could preinstall F-Droid, which has plenty of apps to keep the casual user occupied, is downright socialist in nature, and would help erode Google's dominion on app store purchases, giving legitimacy to an alternative that would help reduce their ad revenues related to 'free' android apps.

        Look, I like F-Droid as well and have it installed on my phone for a couple of apps that I use. But you are seriously exaggerating. Your average consumer is not going to be at all happy with running F-Droid when in fact they want all those stupid apps that are only available on the play store.

      • (Score: 2) by corey on Tuesday May 21 2019, @02:25AM

        by corey (2202) on Tuesday May 21 2019, @02:25AM (#845700)

        I was thinking this too. This will harm Google no doubt. They want Android on as many phones as possible for revenue.

        I think it will hurt Huawei in the short term but they'll adapt to the rules and be competitive in the long term.

        I'm interested in the Intel halt on supply effect on their laptops which are receiving rave reviews this year (Matebook X Pro, Matebook 13, 14). Not like they can switch to AMD either.

        Ah the fun of doing business with the US.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:42PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:42PM (#845652)

      Sure they can, but without play services, it reduces its value as an android device, greatly.

      Might as well build their own os/store at that rate.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @11:55PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @11:55PM (#845675)

        Might as well build their own os/store at that rate.

        ..and it would make them richer and more influential. I'd go with LineageOS and add my own app store if I was Huawai.

        - "Could be done in a weekend."

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Monday May 20 2019, @05:29PM (6 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday May 20 2019, @05:29PM (#845560) Journal

    Intel and Qualcomm reportedly join Google in Huawei ban [theverge.com]

    According to Bloomberg’s sources, employees across the major US chipmakers have been informed that their companies will freeze their supply deals with Huawei until further notice. Intel provides Huawei with server chips and the processors for its laptop line, while Qualcomm figures less prominently in providing modems and other processors. Huawei’s actually quite well insulated from the Qualcomm impact, as it builds its own mobile processors and modems. Another Bloomberg report suggests Huawei has also been preparing for this eventuality by stockpiling chips from US suppliers to last it at least three months, which should be enough time to tell if the current measure is a scare tactic or a permanent imposition from the US government.

    Won't somebody think of the Rural Wireless Association?

    https://ruralwireless.org/huawei-usa-joins-rural-wireless-summit-as-a-sponsorspeaker/ [ruralwireless.org]

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    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:48PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:48PM (#845569)

      FTFY...
      Huawei has also been preparing for this eventuality by stockpiling chips from US suppliers to last it at least three months, which should be enough time to steal/copy the technology and mass produce their own chips.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 20 2019, @06:07PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 20 2019, @06:07PM (#845576) Journal

        What about that plant in Chengdu? It's only an assembly and testing facility, not an actual fab. How will that play into this little drama?

        How about the 3D NAND plant in Dalian? 3D NAND aren't CPU's, but China has leverage on Intel all the same, with that plant located in China.

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday May 20 2019, @08:55PM

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday May 20 2019, @08:55PM (#845636)

          What about that plant in Chengdu?

          That is a good point. This trade war is going to get interesting.

          I did hear that trade wars are good and easy to win though, so it should be fine.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @03:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @03:59PM (#845846)

        AMD deal with china may be the next source of CPU chips for Huawei.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Monday May 20 2019, @08:55PM (1 child)

      by Bot (3902) on Monday May 20 2019, @08:55PM (#845637) Journal

      Trump is either a genius or an accelerationist. What I don't compute is why the same elite first let everybody outsource to china then starts pissing them off. This is something bigger than Trump and his administration and his counselors.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @11:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @11:01PM (#845664)

        R.A.W. pointed this out in his classic Schroedinger's Cat trilogy. Middle paragraph is the one that explains it.

        These were very cunning old primates in several of the most skillful predator bands on Terra. Because of the stealth and skill of these bands - made up of successful predator families that had been intermarrying for several generations - they collectively owned 99.4 percent of all the territory and resources of Unistat.

        The Revolution of Rising Expectations annoyed them even more, because it led many primates to argue that the reason poverty and starvation still continued in an advanced technological society was that Somebody Was Getting More Than Their Share. Whenever anybody asked who that Somebody might be, all eyes turned on these royal old primate males who owned so much. The eyes were not friendly. Sometimes, in far-off lands where these royal primates did not completely control the governments, some of their boodle was actually seized and redistributed to the people they had stolen it from. As Rising Expectations had mounted in the first half of the century, this regrettable pattern of expropriation also escalated.

        The alpha males of these tough old predator families did not like this at all. They therefore invested a prudent sum in promoting the careers of everybody who preached Lowered Expectations, from Ralph Nader and the Club of Rome to Oriental gurus and the neo-Stoics of the post-Marxist Left. When Furbish Lousewart came along, they invested in him, too-enough to buy the election for him.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:49PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:49PM (#845571)

    Trump has apparently been selected as God's chosen gatekeeper. He will replace china with alien tech one drip at a time. It must be slow enough that the scared reactionary people don't panic.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @05:59PM (#845575)

      Huawei, if you're listening...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @06:19PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @06:19PM (#845582)

      That ain't MY red headed stepchild! Little bastard doesn't even look like me. Look again, he looks a lot more like Lucifer, doesn't he?

        - God

    • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Monday May 20 2019, @07:28PM (2 children)

      by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Monday May 20 2019, @07:28PM (#845603)

      Alien mind control that only effects those with really low IQs or a limited ability to think logically.

      That would actually explain so much.

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      "Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @07:37PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @07:37PM (#845609)

        Everyone else will be feeding off what amounts to star trekian replicators while you continue to snuffle at the trough of ignorance.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @04:02PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @04:02PM (#845848)

        By limited ability to think logically you mean MBAs?

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @06:38PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @06:38PM (#845590)

    Huawei is now restricted to using the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), cutting the company off from critical Google apps and services that consumers outside of China expect on Android devices.

    ...while other consumers have been looking furiously for ways to disinfect their phones from the virus that is Google. Perhaps my new phone will be built in China after all...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @07:32PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @07:32PM (#845608)

      But educating regular consumers is hard. That's why marketing departments club humans over the head. But unless Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, and the rest want to lose access to genuine Android devices they will avoid Android-like devices that cannot claim to be Android devices.

      Huawei is in a bad position, and they can only blame their government connections, dependencies and funding. Most consumers who like Android will not jump ship to a like-Android device while the headlines drum "Huawei is listening, and sharing what it hears".

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @08:13PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @08:13PM (#845618)

        You've got that right.

        Do you know how many people I talk to, that think Snowden is a traitor? And not because of a difference of opinion, as in, they know what he did, why he did it, and disagree with his reasons.

        I could live with informed disagreement more easily than complete ignorance and "Traitor!"

        I'm not talking any political party/stance, or country either. I've heard it outside the US, inside, because many people are sped-fed truth, and just LOVE it!

        So, what have you been hearing lately? If this keeps up, I'd be more and more surprised if anyone has one of their phones (new) in a year.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @08:23PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @08:23PM (#845621)

      It already is.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by pTamok on Monday May 20 2019, @07:14PM

    by pTamok (3042) on Monday May 20 2019, @07:14PM (#845600)

    The Register have their own article on this, and, as ever, some of the comments make for interesting reading.

    The Register: Pushed around and kicked around, always a lonely boy: Run Huawei, Google Play, turns away, from Huawei... turns away; Alone on a platform, the wind and the rain on a sad and lonely face [theregister.co.uk].

    The Register: Comments [theregister.co.uk].

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Farkus888 on Monday May 20 2019, @08:29PM (1 child)

    by Farkus888 (5159) on Monday May 20 2019, @08:29PM (#845624)

    So there are 2 points of attack in this trade war (that I know of). Tariffs and Huawei. If you assume that it is a good idea to harm China in a trade war, are they effective? Starting with Huawei, this appears to work. The import ban only takes away their US sales. This will likely harm their global sales. That will eventually hurt the Chinese people who work for them. Tariffs not so much. The Chinese companies charge the same price. The US stores won't let their profit margins slip so they raise their prices. So US citizens, primarily the poorer ones who can't afford better, actually pay. That makes US tariffs on China a regressive tax at home. If and only if the US poor are completely bled dry will sales and profits in China diminish.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @04:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @04:33AM (#845715)

      But, by removing a competitor that produced high quality (presumably - I don't own one) products at lower prices, it allows the remaining competitors (most of which are still sourcing parts and labour from Chinese and other foreign factories) to raise prices without fear of lower cost competition.

      I'm not saying that isn't a good thing for local US manufacturing, but in the short term, it does that same thing that a tariff does: It causes prices to go up. So all those poor people who are getting raped by Huawei's cheap prices with profits going to China, will now be getting raped by other manufacturers like Samsung whose profits go to Korea.

      Yay for the poor!

  • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Monday May 20 2019, @09:17PM

    by RamiK (1813) on Monday May 20 2019, @09:17PM (#845643)

    Start the countdown before the Chinese government retaliates with such vengeance against US tech that Trump reverses the decision.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:50PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20 2019, @09:50PM (#845655)

    But do be a lapdog to the USG..

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Luke on Tuesday May 21 2019, @04:12AM

    by Luke (175) on Tuesday May 21 2019, @04:12AM (#845714)

    I've never understood this obsession or need for a 'store' such as Google, Apple or M$, er, offer.

    Back in the day someone would develop a program (for some reason this is now called an 'app') and people could download that and install on their machine - often direct from the developer or from multiple sources. The machines were open to several OS's and there was no lock-in to a single software vendor. The user had a choice and in general their data, under the guise of 'statistics' was not for sale.

    Importantly the world continued to operate reasonably well, no-one's 'store' was 'critical' enough for the sky to fall in.

    At the moment I don't have _any_ that use Android, or Apple for that matter. I do have an elderly tablet that's a Android based but it's never been near any 'store' (I have directly loaded some .apk's to it) and my three mobile telephones are extremely simple (read they're not 'smart') and I manage my way through life without feeling deprived.

    If Huawei were to sell a bare telephone at a reasonable cost upon which I could install my chosen OS I'd be happy to buy one, and I'd encourage others to do the same; good on them should they take the chance to do this - in adversity there is often opportunity.

    Ultimately the thing that concerns me here is that this stoush is demonstrating the degree to which political will is able to affect individual's choices - especially in countries that don't have a dog in this fight. Were Android and its 'apps' truly free and open-source this wouldn't be a thing...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @07:11AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @07:11AM (#845733)

    Maybe Huawei can start talking about forming a consortium to officially make/use a more open alternative to Google's ecosystem... Who knows, maybe even Samsung might mention some interest in such a thing (after all Trump might target Korea too).

    I'm sure some of us remember this:
    https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/235594-yes-google-play-is-tracking-you-and-thats-just-the-tip-of-a-very-large-iceberg [extremetech.com]

    So I'd actually be enthusiastic if they produce something that spies a bit less, uses less battery and resources and sends the data to the Chinese government instead of the US government. If it's not crap from a technical and usability POV I might actually buy it.

    After all I'm not a citizen of China and I don't plan to go to China any time soon. And if they spread nude photos/videos of me the responsibility for any damage or PTSD to others is on them not me.

    If you live in the USA and don't pay enough of your taxes it's not the Chinese Gov that'll put you in prison.

    If you're a noncitizen that _allegedly_ breaks laws outside of China it's not the Chinese Gov that'll get friendly governments to send helicopters after you or arrest you.

    Compare:
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-renditions-kidnapping/ [foreignpolicy.com]
    vs
    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/20-extraordinary-facts-about-cia-extraordinary-rendition-and-secret-detention [opensocietyfoundations.org]
    https://www.wired.com/2012/08/kim-dotcom-raid/ [wired.com]
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/world/julian-assange-wikileaks.html [nytimes.com]
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/russia-mps-son-seleznev-arrest-us-secret-service [theguardian.com]

    See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @05:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 21 2019, @05:08PM (#845866)
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