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posted by martyb on Saturday May 25 2019, @04:40PM   Printer-friendly
from the a-charlatan-and-a-fraud dept.

Mike Masnick at Techdirt lays out, once again, the evidence rebutting Shiva Ayyadurai's claim to have invented e-mail. Shiva Ayyadurai just settled with Techdirt over his repudiated claims. No money was exchanged in the settlement but Techdirt did agree to publish Ayyadurai's claims side by side with the actual facts for comparison. Ayyadurai rose to international attention a few years ago after he claimed the mantle for himself and went around accusing detractors of racism underwritten by large corporations. Now that the issue is officially settled, Mike Masnick has written another summary.

[...] And with that, we'll (hopefully) leave this saga aside. If Ayyadurai would like to respond to this, or to supply evidence to contradict the points and evidence raised above, he is, as always, welcome to provide it. He could have done so any time since 2012 when we first wrote about him and his claims, rather than taking us to court for two and a half years. I still believe that Ayyadurai should, in fact, be praised for what he accomplished as a teenager -- building a working email system as he apparently did, at the time he did, is no small feat. Our only issue with his claims is the decision to argue that his impressive creation was actually "the invention of email." It was not.

It may take a while for Techdirt to get back on its feet both regarding finances and workflow. The trouble from that particular charlatan cost not only a lot of time but also a fair amount of money. Mike Masnick ended up accepting support from the Koch brothers in order to keep going with writing and reporting, allowing the site to keep going but at the cost of tainting its reputation somewhat. With luck the site can become independent again.

Earlier on SN:
Case Dismissed: Judge Throws Out Shiva Ayyadurai's Defamation Lawsuit Against Techdirt(2017)
The Guy who Claims to have Invented E-Mail is at it Again (2017)
The Guy who Claims he Created EMAIL is at it; Again (2017)
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Huffington Post Shows the Importance Of Fact Checking (2014)


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Huffington Post Shows the Importance Of Fact Checking 29 comments

Mike Masnick over at Techdirt reports that the Huffington Post is running a multi-part story on V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, the man who invented email. The only problem is, he didn't. And the mainstream media were worried that their standard of journalistic excellence wouldn't be continued in the online world? The tech reporting seems to be of exactly the same quality to me.

I thought this story had ended a few years ago. Back in 2012, we wrote about how the Washington Post and some other big name media outlets were claiming that a guy named V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai had "invented email" in 1978. The problem was that it wasn't even close to true and relied on a number of total misconceptions about email, software and copyright law. Ayyadurai and some of his friends have continued to play up the claim that he "invented" email, but it simply was never true, and it's reaching a level that seems truly bizarre. Ayyadurai may have done some interesting things, but his continued false insistence that he invented email is reaching really questionable levels. And, now it's gone absolutely nutty, with the Huffington Post running a multi-part series (up to five separate articles so far — all done in the past 10 days) all playing up misleading claims saying that Ayyadurai invented email, even though even a basic understanding of the history shows he did not.

The Guy who Claims he Created EMAIL is at it; Again 35 comments

The guy who made himself famous for claiming he created EMAIL, Shiva Ayyadurai, has taken to suing various web sites, social media sites, and bloggers to shut down any contrary talk on the matter. On the surface the business model looks like it might be that of a classic copyright troll. However, given the targets and the backer, could it be the ultimate goal is simply to close down the coverage in general?

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/lawyer-for-inventor-of-e-mail-sends-threat-letter-over-social-media-posts/

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/popular-tech-blog-sued-by-self-proclaimed-inventor-of-e-mail-hits-back/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170111/11440836465/techdirts-first-amendment-fight-life.shtml


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The Guy who Claims to have Invented E-Mail is at it Again 29 comments

The guy who claims he invented E-Mail is slowly rewriting history one lawsuit at a time. The wannabe politician, whom many would call a charlatan, using the money from the Gawker case has turned his sights on Techdirt in an effort to squelch historical facts about the origins of e-mail. While this SLAPP suit may look for now on the surface like it is aimed at a single site, Techdirt, regarding a single topic, e-mail, the long term goal might be to take all journalism down a notch or two.

The five-page story on Ars Technica is a deep dive into the history — RFCs, major programs, interviews, etc. They even had an interview with Shiva Ayyadurai. Here's an extract from the intro:

Ayyadurai did write a program called "EMAIL" for use by the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (now a part of Rutgers). He copyrighted the code in 1982. But Ayyadurai today makes the far more significant claim that he invented "the electronic mail system as we know it today," even though his code had little impact beyond the university. Mainstream tech history books don't even mention Ayyadurai—unless you count the several books Ayyadurai has written about himself.

On the ARPAnet, the predecessor to the Internet, electronic mail conventions were well-established by the mid-1970s. Dave Crocker, one of a group of ARPAnet pioneers despised by Ayyadurai, told Ars that he wasn't just using e-mail by 1974—he was positively addicted to it, a full three decades before the smartphone.

And another snippet, from their interview with Ayyadurai:

Case Dismissed: Judge Throws Out Shiva Ayyadurai's Defamation Lawsuit Against Techdirt 25 comments

Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard

As you likely know, for most of the past nine months, we've been dealing with a defamation lawsuit from Shiva Ayyadurai, who claims to have invented email. This is a claim that we have disputed at great length and in great detail, showing how email existed long before Ayyadurai wrote his program. We pointed to the well documented public history of email, and how basically all of the components that Ayyadurai now claims credit for preceded his own work. We discussed how his arguments were, at best, misleading, such as arguing that the copyright on his program proved that he was the "inventor of email" -- since patents and copyrights are very different, and just because Microsoft has a copyright on "Windows" it does not mean it "invented" the concept of a windowed graphical user interface (because it did not). As I have said, a case like this is extremely draining -- especially on an emotional level -- and can create massive chilling effects on free speech.

A few hours ago, the judge ruled and we prevailed. The case has been dismissed and the judge rejected Ayyadurai's request to file an amended complaint. We are certainly pleased with the decision and his analysis, which notes over and over again that everything that we stated was clearly protected speech, and the defamation (and other claims) had no merit. This is, clearly, a big win for the First Amendment and free speech -- especially the right to call out and criticize a public figure such as Shiva Ayyadurai, who is now running for the US Senate in Massachusetts. We're further happy to see the judge affirm that CDA Section 230 protects us from being sued over comments made on the blog, which cannot be attributed to us under the law. We talk a lot about the importance of CDA 230, in part because it protects sites like our own from these kinds of lawsuits. This is just one more reason we're so concerned about the latest attempt in Congress to undermine CDA 230. While those supporting the bill may claim that it only targets sites like Backpage, such changes to CDA 230 could have a much bigger impact on smaller sites like our own.

Source: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170906/13431338159/case-dismissed-judge-throws-out-shiva-ayyadurais-defamation-lawsuit-against-techdirt.shtml


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @04:43PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @04:43PM (#847652)

    Isn't this a red flag by itself?

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @05:28PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @05:28PM (#847667)

      Clockboy did the same thing... screamed racism for taking a Radio Shack clock apart, stuffing it into a briefcase with wires hanging out, taking it to school, and claiming he invented an alarm clock while at the same time making it look suspicious.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 27 2019, @01:37AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 27 2019, @01:37AM (#848057)

        > Clockboy did the same thing... screamed racism for taking a Radio Shack clock apart, stuffing it into a briefcase with wires hanging out, taking it to school, and claiming he invented an alarm clock while at the same time making it look suspicious.

        America got trolled by clockboy and his father [dailycaller.com]. His father is a sharia activist who had just lost a fight with the local government and wanted revenge. It worked and MSM swallowed uncritically the narrative fed to it.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday May 25 2019, @06:16PM (3 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Saturday May 25 2019, @06:16PM (#847675) Journal

      The redder flag is wanting to be remembered as the creator of a banal and banally implemented protocol as the email one. Took decades to kind of fix it. The guys who come up with Tahoe lafs, or gnunet, and cryptocoin stuff, those deserve some recognition.

      --
      Account abandoned.
      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @03:27AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @03:27AM (#847794)
        His email program dates to 1978. RFC 563, which was the first in a line of RFCs that eventually became modern SMTP, dates to 1973. The Unix mail command dates to 1972. ARPANET sent its first email in 1971. The Compatible Time Sharing System at MIT had, around 1965, what we would understand today as an email system. That last was within the year that this clown was born.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @03:57AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @03:57AM (#847799)

          His claim is narrow, he claims a complete EMAIL system that duplicates/replaces the corporate interoffice mail system. This means his system was fairly complex (cc, bcc, forward, etc) and yet usable by nearly anyone (no special computer knowledge or jargon required). He's happy to give credit to various e messaging services going back to telegraphs...

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @04:07AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @04:07AM (#847804)
            Claiming to have "invented e-mail" doesn't sound awfully narrow to me.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @04:07AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 26 2019, @04:07AM (#847803)

      Isn't this a red flag by itself?

      Still better than to claim discrimination because of zer sex.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @05:16PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @05:16PM (#847662)

    If I ever become a shut-in, unable to leave the house, I might find time to read it all.

    So, who was the first judge, that failed to shut it down with extreme prejudice, and lay fines for wasting the court's time?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @05:22PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @05:22PM (#847664)

    I read some of the linked material which claims that the early system under discussion was written in Fortran and was limited by the character handling ability back then. It was named: EMAIL

    Not: E-mail

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by JNCF on Saturday May 25 2019, @06:14PM (2 children)

      by JNCF (4317) on Saturday May 25 2019, @06:14PM (#847673) Journal

      In the context of this article, either seems valid:

      (Since the page was captured in June 2010 Ayyadurai has stopped hyphenating, switching his entire site first from “E-Mail” to “EMAIL” and now to “email.”)

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @11:07PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 25 2019, @11:07PM (#847738)

        /e(-|)mail/gi

        • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Sunday May 26 2019, @05:41AM

          by coolgopher (1157) on Sunday May 26 2019, @05:41AM (#847823)

          You're wanting to capture "-l" unconditionally? I think you missed a "?" after that closing bracket.

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