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posted by chromas on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-a-"bright"-idea! dept.

Yucatán, Mexico is adding a new solar energy production facility which can produce up to 18 megawatts of electricity, serving about 5.3% of the state's households. Additional facilities are on the way, with aims to produce a massive surplus within three or four years.

The San Ignacio solar plant, which covers 66 hectares[*] in the municipality of Progreso, was inaugurated Friday by Governor Mauricio Vila Dosal. The Chinese company Jinko Solar invested US $30 million to build the plant.

Energy generated by the plant will be consumed in Progreso and the state capital, Mérida.

[*] 66 hectares is just over 163 acres or just over 1/4 (i.e. 163/640) of a square mile.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:14AM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:14AM (#853983)

    If they are financially beholden to the Chinese?

    Giving up one master for another does not a free man make.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:40AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:40AM (#853992)

      Funny! Those were my first thoughts also. We already put the kabash on a big Chinese project in Cancun. We don't want them around. Their gangs will definitely take over if we let them in. We have to tell them their money is welcome, but they are not. They'll just be killing and eating our cats and dogs and spitting on the sidewalks. And they are more arrogant than the damn French! Believe it or not!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @09:05AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @09:05AM (#854128)

        The one thing they all had in common, save ones whose family came over pre-communism, is they avoid directly saying anything bad about the Chinese government, and in the case of a girlfriend's family were actively aversive to being around political figures, scares like they would be gunned down or abducted (they happened to live in a country where we were within 50 feet of the Prime Minister on a beach one day!) Security detail was a couple chips style bike cops with SMGs and chest hair. Looked very 80s.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:57AM (8 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:57AM (#854001)

      The Chinese company Jinko Solar invested US $30 million to build the plant.

      What's the problem here exactly? That's how capitalism works.

      Presumably Jinko Solar will charge the locals money to use the electricity, and at some point start making a profit. Or is that a bad thing now?

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 11 2019, @03:34AM (7 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 11 2019, @03:34AM (#854054) Journal

        That's how capitalism works.

        But, but... China. You know? Danger, there be communist investments!!!

        Just forget that Norway state [bloomberg.com] successfully manages/controls $1T (or "1.4 percent of global stocks, large holdings of bonds and properties across the globe") in the name and for the benefit of Norway citizens. We are not at war with Norway (yet).

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        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 11 2019, @03:43AM (6 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @03:43AM (#854056)

          Those Norwayites sound like communists.

          • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday June 11 2019, @04:43AM (3 children)

            by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @04:43AM (#854067) Homepage

            Communism only works with smaller populations of healthy, happy, educated Whites. For example, how Sweden was before...uh...you know.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:22AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:22AM (#854077)

              Communism only works with smaller populations of healthy, happy, educated Whites.

              Failing at least "healthy", "happy" and "white", you'll never belong. Envy, perhaps?

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:59AM (1 child)

                by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:59AM (#854088) Homepage

                I'd envy the Mexicans and the Congolese if they had their shit together, but for a number of mysterious reasons they don't. And "Whitey caused all my problems" is not a good reason.

                • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Tuesday June 11 2019, @01:21PM

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 11 2019, @01:21PM (#854187) Journal

                  I'd envy the Mexicans and the Congolese if they had their shit together

                  I'll only say that the ocean separating them makes from bringing Mexican and Congolese shit together a very expensive logistic operation; I can understand the two countries' reluctance to engage in this endeavor, especially when all they could gain from it is limited to the envy of Ethanol-fueled.

                  (grin)

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          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:17AM (1 child)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:17AM (#854075) Journal

            Those Norwayites sound like communists.

            Necessary conditions: one needs to know about them first, then listen to them.
            The first one is a hard condition for a certain geography [geocurrents.info]-impaired [wordpress.com] segments [atlasofprejudice.com] of this world's population**

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            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 11 2019, @08:42PM

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @08:42PM (#854364)

              Yeah, I was joking. Also, the world according to UKIP is awesome. I'm glad I don't live there though.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:38AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:38AM (#853991)

    Yucatan is both aired and dense forest, mainly flat. It gets but hurricanes.

    Those solar panels do not look like it stand up to F3+ hurricane, so what is backup power source? Expeecting a long "cord" from some where else. How will those pole fare?

    Knocking out the forest for more area to bigger power plants, great for climate change and eco-support... not.

    Now if they, went for all roof top installs in Merida that is good area to cover without taking out more the surrounding growth.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:51AM (3 children)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:51AM (#853999) Homepage Journal

    That was their biggest biggest "renewable." And believe me, they had a lot of "renewing" to do when the Hurricanes came. Tremendous amounts of damage there. The wind completely ripped out the Solar Panels from their Solar Farms. And they had no electric for months because of that. Very bad situation and they could have avoided that one very easily. By going with Clean Coal or nuclear. Where it's very easy to store months worth of fuel right at the plant, right on the property. Last month I had the great honor of touring the new Sempra LNG, the Cameron LNG in Hackberry, Louisiana. Great place, great workers. That place is like a work of art -- a real monster. Very friendly people there and they're going to be sending the LNG, the Liquid Natural Gas all over the entire world. And they could send it, very easily to Mexico. Very close to Mexico. When they go over the ocean it's actually much closer than you'd might think. Very clean energy, American energy and it works in the wind, it works in the sun, it works in the dark and when there's no wind. It's 100% just like beautiful Clean Coal & nuclear. The Solar is a totally different story. Mexico is making a big mistake!!!

    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday June 11 2019, @02:27AM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @02:27AM (#854029) Homepage Journal

      So sad that they chose Moderators that can't, or don't read. That don't know what the stories are about. And when they see my name, they "automatically" Down Mod without reading my Tweet. Puting, "Offtopic" on a Tweet that's 100% Ontopic. To try to silence me like they've silenced so many others -- XivLacuna, cocaine overdose, Aryanx277, Jondraper88 and so many more. The many who are silent because they've been silenced. I call them the Silent Majority. Who when they try to tweet, can't. They don't see their Tweet, they see "Due to excessive bad posting from this IP or Subnet, comment posting has temporarily been disabled. If it's you, consider this a chance to sit in the timeout corner." They say disabled, which I guess is a politically correct way to say crippled. In New York we call it Kneecapping. I've seen it many times and it's not great, believe me.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:30AM (1 child)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:30AM (#854079) Homepage Journal

      (cont) By the way, look what happened in Puerto Rico. Look at the Before and the After of that one. So many "panels" totally blown away. Flying through the air at incredible speeds. And if one of those "panels" hits you, probably you die. Or you're crippled -- I mean disabled -- very badly. Can we call them Death Panels? theweatherjunkies.com/single-post/2017/09/28/Puerto-Rican-Solar-Farms-Heavily-Damaged-By-Hurricane-Maria [theweatherjunkies.com]

      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday June 11 2019, @06:03AM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @06:03AM (#854089) Homepage

        Uh-oh, formerly sober Don discovered the liquor cabinet. Don't do it, Don, drinking booze makes God cry!

  • (Score: 2) by The Shire on Tuesday June 11 2019, @02:46AM (6 children)

    by The Shire (5824) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @02:46AM (#854039)

    18MW is some kind of record for approaching self sufficiency? There are two plants in California already that EACH operate at 550MW since 2014 so how is 18MW in any way news worthy? Frankly, it's easy to get to self sufficiency when you're a sparsely populated non industrialized equatorial area whose population is only slightly more than half the size of Chicago.

    This "landmark" is meaningless.

    • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday June 11 2019, @06:06AM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @06:06AM (#854090) Homepage

      " when you're a sparsely populated non industrialized equatorial area whose population is only slightly more than half the size of Chicago. "

      The population may be only half the size of Chicago, but the population's IQ is completely the same as of the Congo.

    • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:31PM (4 children)

      by Osamabobama (5842) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @05:31PM (#854280)

      Self-sufficient isn't solely dependent on total power, but rather supply versus demand. If the region doesn't need to import fuel, they are self-sufficient.

      Maybe your objection is that the scale of this project won't tip the scales globally. That's a fair point. My neighbor recently installed solar, and I haven't seen any press coverage of it. Why are we bombarded with stories of renewable energy installed in far-off locations with the help of international partners?

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Shire on Tuesday June 11 2019, @07:01PM (3 children)

        by The Shire (5824) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @07:01PM (#854318)

        I think the intent of this article and articles like it, is to convince people that solar and wind can provide power for large scale consumption in an industrial setting and that's a lie. That's what I take exception to. Solar and Wind sources can never replace existing fossil fuel plants for a country like the US, Europe, China, or Russia.

        IMO folks need to stop waving the renewable flag and start pushing nuclear. Nuclear is our only hope of providing the power we need without the CO2 emissions. Drives me crazy when I see HBO come out with series like Chernobyl that just stokes the irrational fear of nuclear right at the time we should be embracing it.

        • (Score: 2) by Pav on Wednesday June 12 2019, @01:33AM (2 children)

          by Pav (114) on Wednesday June 12 2019, @01:33AM (#854464)

          What are you smoking? China has already exceeded 1/3rd of their generation capacity, and the "storage problem" has just turned out to be an engineering problem that needs political will. Even without political will things would change eg. my country of Australia, where politics leaned towards preserving coal consumption in our recent federal election, the private sector has been leaning towards renewables because it's assessed as being cheaper and less risky. BTW, this is for BASE LOAD. Even in the flattest and driest continent on earth (ie. Australia) it seems pumped hydro storage is a no-brainer. There are projects to take advantage of the vast sea cliffs in the south and salt water. In the north apparently we're experimenting with turning old mining pits into pumped hydro storage, and after the mining boom we've got plenty of those.

          • (Score: 2) by The Shire on Wednesday June 12 2019, @04:15AM (1 child)

            by The Shire (5824) on Wednesday June 12 2019, @04:15AM (#854516)

            Are you nuts? China produces half the worlds co2 from burning coal, far exceeding the US. Chinas renewable production is only targeted to reach 10% by 2020. I think you're confusing communist PR projections with reality. China currently geta 85% of its power from fossil fuels.

            • (Score: 2) by Pav on Wednesday June 12 2019, @04:20AM

              by Pav (114) on Wednesday June 12 2019, @04:20AM (#854518)

              Yes... if you include transport... but we were talking specifically about power generation.

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