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posted by chromas on Monday June 10 2019, @10:29PM   Printer-friendly
from the will-it-run-linux? dept.

The next-generation Xbox console referred to as "Project Scarlett", scheduled for release in late 2020, will feature a custom AMD "7nm" Zen 2 CPU and Navi GPU. The console will include hardware support for real-time raytracing, and include an SSD for significantly faster loading times. The console will also be able to use the SSD as virtual memory. The console will support up to 8K (7680×4320) resolution and 120 frames per second (presumably not at the same time for most - if any - games, but the console should at least support 8K video streaming). These details are extremely similar to those that were revealed about Sony's next PlayStation console.

Microsoft's xCloud streaming game service will launch in October 2019. It will allow gamers to stream games from Microsoft or those stored locally on their Xbox One consoles.

Also at The Verge.

See also: PlayStation 5's Beefier Hardware Could Help Mitigate Indies' Optimization Troubles, Says Ubisoft Dev

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Sony's PlayStation system architect Mark Cerny has confirmed hardware details about Sony's upcoming PlayStation console, including the use of an 8-core "7nm" Zen 2 CPU from AMD, and an AMD "7nm" Navi GPU of unspecified size/performance. The version of Navi in the console will also support real-time ray tracing:

The big news here of course is that Cerny is confirming that Sony is tapping AMD's latest CPU and GPU architectures for the next-generation PlayStation's chip. On the CPU side we're looking at 8 CPU cores based on AMD's Zen 2 microarchitecture. This is the same CPU microarchitecture that AMD is expecting to launch in PCs mid-year, with products such as their Ryzen "Matisse" CPU and second-generation EPYC "Rome" processors. While we're still waiting to see just how well the Zen 2 architecture performs in the real world, it's succeeding the already very powerful Zen (1) architecture, so everyone has high expectations here and AMD seems eager to deliver on them.

Meanwhile on the GPU side, AMD will be tapping their forthcoming Navi GPU architecture for the chip. Unlike the CPU side, Son[sic] and Cerny aren't saying anything here about the GPU configuration, so there's little to be said about performance; all of that will come down to how big of a Navi GPU block Sony has asked for. Navi itself is a codename we've seen on AMD's GPU roadmaps since 2016, however we still know relatively little about the architecture beyond the fact that in 2016 at least, AMD was intending to focus on scalability and support for next-generation memory (which at this point we'd take to mean GDDR6). Like the Zen 2 CPU architecture, we're expecting Navi-powered GPUs to start shipping this year for PCs, so we should have a better idea soon of all of what Navi will entail.

However in the meantime, Cerny himself did open up a bit about Navi – or at least the version that will be going into Sony's chip. The next-generation PlayStation will support ray tracing, mirroring developments we've seen in the PC world in the last year with the introduction of DirectX Raytracing and hardware support in rival NVIDIA's GPUs. Over the last couple of years, ray tracing has increasingly been heralded as the next evolution in GPU rendering technologies, as it allows for more realistic rendering methods to be used, especially with regards to light. Ray tracing is expensive, but done right it can add to a game in ways that can't be done cheaply (if at all) with pure compute-shader based approaches.

A "custom unit for 3D audio" is also mentioned, and the console will use an SSD instead of an HDD. 8K resolution support will be included (at least for video output, if games don't run at that resolution).

The next-generation Xbox console is rumored to feature similar hardware (8-core Zen 2, 12 teraflops Navi, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD). There is also talk of a streaming-focused Xbox with cheaper hardware (8-core Zen 2, 4 teraflops Navi, 12 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD).

Also at Wccftech.


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Microsoft Corp and Sony Corp on Thursday said they struck a strategic partnership in which Sony would use Microsoft's cloud for streaming games and media and the two would work together to develop image sensors.

The deal is in its early stages, with many specifics yet to be determined. But the owners of two major consumer interactive entertainment franchises – Microsoft's Xbox platform and Sony's PlayStation – would collaborate to stream games and content to consumers and offer game makers new development tools.

[...] Sony shares jumped nearly 11 percent as Asian markets opened. Microsoft's stock closed up 2 percent on Thursday.

Sony's deal with Microsoft comes at a time when the Japanese firm's gaming business is losing some steam as its PlayStation 4 (PS4) console nears the end of its life.

Analysts widely expect Sony to launch a next-generation console in 2020 to replace the five-year old PS4, but for this year at least Sony has flagged a drop in profit.


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PlayStation 5 Includes AMD Hardware-Based Ray Tracing, Supports 100 GB Blu-ray Discs 22 comments

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Sony skipped games show E3 this year, a void during which Microsoft unveiled details about its own next-gen console, a successor to the Xbox One referred to only as Project Scarlett. Like the PS5, Scarlett will boast a CPU based on AMD's Ryzen line and a GPU based on its Navi family; like the PS5, it will ditch the spinning hard drive for a solid-state drive. Now, though, in a conference room at Sony's US headquarters, [Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO Jim Ryan] and system architect Mark Cerny are eager to share specifics.

Before they do, Cerny wants to clarify something. When we last discussed the forthcoming console, he spoke about its ability to support ray-tracing, a technique that can enable complex lighting and sound effects in 3D environments. Given the many questions he's received since, he fears he may have been ambiguous about how the PS5 would accomplish this—and confirms that it's not a software-level fix, which some had feared. "There is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware," he says, "which I believe is the statement that people were looking for." (A belief born out by my own Twitter mentions, which for a couple of weeks in April made a graphics-rendering technique seem like the only thing the internet had ever cared about.)

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Microsoft Announces Xbox Series X: Available Holiday 2020

Microsoft this evening has finally given their long-awaited next generation gaming console a name, announcing the Xbox Series X. The device, formerly known as Project Scarlett, is said to be four times more powerful than the current Xbox One X, and along with its new Xbox Wireless Controller will be available in the Holiday 2020 timeframe.

[...] While Microsoft is still not offering a detailed breakdown of hardware specifications at this time, the company has reiterated their E3 announcement – that the box is powered by an AMD APU combining their Zen 2 processor cores and next generation RDNA architecture – while revealing the first performance estimate for the console: four times the processing power of the Xbox One X. It's not clear here whether Microsoft is talking about CPU performance, GPU performance, or both – but given that even AMD's fastest discrete GPUs today don't exceed 10 TFLOPS, it is likely a reference to the CPU side of matters and AMD's much faster Zen 2 CPU cores (and going by comments made to GameSpot, this seems to be exactly the case).

As well, the company is reiterating the technical features for the console: hardware raytracing, variable rate shading, Xbox One backwards compatibility, and a "next-generation" SSD. All of which will be used to offer games at 4K@60fps or better, with Microsoft indicating that 120fps will also be an option for developers (no doubt driven by the high refresh rates allowed by HDMI 2.1).

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Microsoft has confirmed that it will launch a lower-priced version of its next-generation Xbox console following several leaks.

It was confirmed that the Xbox Series S would be launched in November for $299 (£249.99 in the UK). The leaks are pinning the release date for both of the new Xbox consoles as November 10th, and the price of the larger Xbox Series X console at $499.

The Xbox Series S will have a smaller SSD (512 GB vs. 1 TB), and will not include a disc drive, like Sony's PlayStation 5 Digital Edition. The console will target a 1440p resolution at up to 120 FPS (likely less in practice), but can use "4K upscaling for games". It includes hardware-accelerated DirectX raytracing, variable rate shading, and variable refresh rates.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 10 2019, @10:34PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 10 2019, @10:34PM (#853933)

    Oh cool even more ways for me to not own my stuff that I pay for! Sign me up!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 10 2019, @10:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 10 2019, @10:42PM (#853937)

      And this time it doesn't mean Direct Rendering Manager, but that Digital Rights Management crap.

      Now you don't even own/audit the data inside your own GPU anymore!

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by realDonaldTrump on Monday June 10 2019, @11:18PM

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday June 10 2019, @11:18PM (#853962) Homepage Journal

    When folks that know want the best Cyber -- whether it's EMAILS or Video Game -- they go with the name they can trust. They go with Microsoft so they don't have problems like the horrific RCE Vulnerability that right now is destroying the EMAILS "servers' of so many foolish people. We love the new Xbox Scarlett, so beautiful and I'm sure the kids, and some grown ups are going to love that one. Great job!!!!

  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday June 11 2019, @01:00AM (1 child)

    by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday June 11 2019, @01:00AM (#854002)

    And the AAA games available will include playing sports, driving stuff, and shooting at stuff, with more pixels.

    In the meantime, low-rez Nintendo will keep making games which are actually fun to play, alone or with the kids.

    I'm glad the whole market is being addressed, and those guys are trying to keep up with PC power. But I know where my money is going.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 11 2019, @01:57AM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday June 11 2019, @01:57AM (#854018) Journal

      In a move nobody could have predicted, Nintendo is censoring games less while Sony is amping up censorship:

      PlayStation’s Censorship Crackdown Has Helped Nintendo Switch Become a Fanservice Haven [twinfinite.net]

      That's pretty funny.

      Regarding the Switch refresh:

      Nintendo could use the better hardware. Handheld mode is going to be where it's at since 3DS is a dead end, and they could bump that to at least 1080p. If they go even further, maybe they can have a more useable VR mode (Switch only does 720p, 60 Hz [gamerevolution.com]).

      It's unclear if Nintendo would continue to use Nvidia Tegra, but here are some of the options [wikipedia.org] (it currently uses Tegra X1). Switch only uses 4 of its 8 cores at any given time, so that's the minimum you need for a refreshed successor. Samsung + AMD graphics [soylentnews.org] would be cool but it's unlikely to be ready in time. A new CPU+GPU could support higher resolutions and framerates, and/or boost the battery life.

      I assume Switch will continue to support microSD cards. One change they could make would be to allow save games to be stored on the cards instead of internal memory. Support for up to 128 TB microSDUC would also be nice. Maybe they will ditch the proprietary cartridges to save room.

      Contrary to my belief, the Nintendo Switch is not necessarily "vulnerable" to being jailbroken out of the box:

      Nintendo patches 'un-patchable' Tegra X1 exploit to curb Switch piracy [theinquirer.net]

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @07:07AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @07:07AM (#854100)

    The only reason I still run xCloud is for the games. If Linux ever wants to be on the desktop, it is going to have to be able to run games off the cloud through a console, like the XBone.

    (J=Johansson; P= Pumpernickel)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:56PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 11 2019, @12:56PM (#854175)

    It isn't Nintendo, if I can't play Mario and Mario Kart on it, I'm not buying it.

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