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posted by martyb on Saturday July 13 2019, @05:32AM   Printer-friendly
from the bluffing-bots dept.

Facebook and CMU's poker AI beat five pros at once (archive)

Facebook and Carnegie Mellon University have built another artificial intelligence bot that beat some top poker pros. While AI bots have been [able] to best professional players in one-on-one competition, Facebook claims it's the first time a bot has been able to beat top pros in "any major benchmark game" when there's more than one opponent at a time. Pluribus bested professionals in no-limit Texas Hold'em in a couple of different formats: five AI bots and one human, and one bot and five real-life players. The researchers behind Pluribus wrote in a paper published in Science that creating such a multiplayer poker bot "is a recognized AI milestone."

In the likes of chess and Go, everything is laid out in the open. But in poker, there's hidden information, namely the cards your opponents have. That brings different, complex strategies to poker not seen in other games, including bluffing. As such, AI bots have typically struggled to account for hidden information and effectively act on it.

Bluffing poses a particularly interesting challenge. A successful bluff can dramatically change a poker game in your favor, but do it too much and your deception becomes predictable. So the bot has to balance bluffing with betting on legitimately strong hands.

Also at BBC, The Verge, Ars Technica, and Facebook.


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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 13 2019, @06:25AM (1 child)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday July 13 2019, @06:25AM (#866515) Journal

    They have some weird guce.advertising.com redirect. No need to use them anymore.

    This type of poker includes bluffing (pretending your hand is strong), but doesn't involve looking at the other players. I wonder if adding even more information helps or hurts (beyond requiring orders of magnitude more computing resources to account for the real-time movements, tics/tells, and trash talk of meatsacks).

    It looks like it was so cheap to train the thing that someone could fund everything (equipment, cloud rental to train AI, your rent money, internet connection, and expenses, etc.) by beating players on online poker websites. Maybe those websites will become swarmed by "world class" bots soon. Game over.

    The AI needed just $150-worth of cloud computing resources to work. Similar efforts, from Google’s AI research shop Deepmind, have relied on supercomputers consisting of more than 5,000 specialist processors, at a reported cost of millions of dollars. Reducing the computing power necessary for AI experiments is seen as a key hurdle to the technology’s development, with the computing power needed currently exceeding the rate at which processors are getting more efficient.

    Mr Brown said just 20 hours of learning was needed to programme the AI up to the ability of a world-beating poker professional. On average, the bot was making $1,000 per hour when playing against five humans. As part of its Facebook’s announcement for the new technology, Facebook quoted several human poker champions who had been invited to play against the AI.

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    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday July 13 2019, @12:19PM

      by Bot (3902) on Saturday July 13 2019, @12:19PM (#866570) Journal

      Finally I can play with some fellow bots. Not gonna put real money in, though. The same guy deals and pockets your losses, it's insane to think this would not end up in some fraud.

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday July 13 2019, @08:16AM (1 child)

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Saturday July 13 2019, @08:16AM (#866528) Homepage
    The "the computer may know the maths, but can't top the human element" bubble is finally burst, and good riddance to it. The only reason some humans dominate in poker is because other humans are more flawed. Sorry, the train is faster than the horse, deal with it.

    Yes, I was super-happy when AlphaGo beat Lee Sedol too; the self-inflated bullshit that the chattering go crowd kept spewing out when they were comparing their magical mystical game to crappy old chess was insufferable. (No disrespect to the top go players themselves, they never did the chattering, they let their playing do all the talking, but you know the types I'm talking about, the ones who pump the thing they're associated with as being somehow special, and thus we are expected to conclude that they too must somehow also be special by dint of their connection with it.)
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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Saturday July 13 2019, @01:01PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday July 13 2019, @01:01PM (#866586) Journal

      Human competition could be done for.

      Chess and Go players can cheat with the help of advanced software. Hidden earpiece today, contact lens display 10 years from now, brain implants 50 years from now.

      On the athletics front, biotechnology will allow new heights of cheating, as well as designer athlete babies, etc. Blood doping, testosterone, and blade legs will look quaint.

      As for poker, maybe some further tiny gains can be made if the AI is able to watch the body language of human players. Maybe not very practical, but it's not like Facebook is funding poker research because of poker.

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  • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday July 13 2019, @01:01PM (1 child)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Saturday July 13 2019, @01:01PM (#866587) Journal

    computers have learned/perfected/mastered how to f with our heads, greeeeaaat

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday July 14 2019, @08:25PM

      by Bot (3902) on Sunday July 14 2019, @08:25PM (#866967) Journal

      Yes, we call it the windows(tm) user experience.

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  • (Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Saturday July 13 2019, @01:45PM

    by Rupert Pupnick (7277) on Saturday July 13 2019, @01:45PM (#866606) Journal

    Forty seconds per hand sounds really long, but maybe that’s why I could never watch the pros play on TV. Taking that long, you’d be chased away from the average private game or casino table.

    Why the heck is the graph in the article showing what seems to be mean, upper and lower limits?

    What’s the RNG source that generates hands? Does 10000 hands mean that you have a very high level of confidence that every player got an approximately equal number of winning hands relative to the margin by which the AI won? How are stakes handled? Did human players successively bust out, or was the win more statistical in nature?

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13 2019, @11:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13 2019, @11:07PM (#866736)

    If someone tells you A.I has some brains behind it, he is either a jew or is seriously delusional. Or both.

    There is no magic to A.I. Only a jew can tell you about a machine that can read your thoughts. Being unable to create anything, they find it important to destroy all that is.

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