According to The New York Times, Andrew Anglin, whereabouts unknown, could be on the hook for a bit of cash.
The publisher of a neo-Nazi website should pay more than $14 million in damages for encouraging "an online anti-Semitic harassment and intimidation campaign" against a woman in 2016, a federal magistrate judge in Montana recommended on Monday.
In his opinion, the judge, Jeremiah Lynch, also recommended that the publisher, Andrew Anglin, be made to remove all blog posts from the website, The Daily Stormer, that encouraged readers to contact the woman, Tanya Gersh, and her family.
Within months of Mr. Anglin's call for a "troll storm" against them, Ms. Gersh and her family had received more than 700 vulgar and hateful messages, many referring to the Holocaust. They temporarily fled their home.
Mr. Anglin did not appear in court, and his location is unknown. He did not respond to an email on Monday requesting comment on the lawsuit. And it was not clear how much money if any could ever be collected from him.
Nice that Andrew has gone back to where he's from, allegedly Thailand.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:02PM (59 children)
Let's just admit there is no free will. We are chimps that haven't been housebroken.
Fock!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:07PM (58 children)
No shit, some of you chimps are so dumb you incite a mob to harass and potentially harm innocent people.
You can spew all the hateful shit you want, just don't cross the line into actionable phrases. If the KKK and other shitwits can walk the line then so can a bunch of whitebread snakes with tire marks.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:22PM (48 children)
Did any of them try to bomb the person's house? Attack them physically? Hit them with bike locks? Blocks of cement?
It seems that doing aforementioned things, tools of the Antifa leftists, are held up as worthy of praise. Yet the weak words and annoying tactics of stormfags are somehow deadly and evil. Antifa is more and more like their namesake everyday, and we will end with the same extremely awful results.
And then suddenly, for no reason at all, the people voted for Adolf Hitler.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:24PM (5 children)
Other than the MAGA Bomber, no. [nypost.com]
(Score: 2) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:52PM (4 children)
Yet Trump tards still try and gaslight those of us on the morally superior left by insisting "there are fine people on both sides". [news.com.au]
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:20AM
Not gaslighting, comrade. Is propaganda.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @04:01AM (2 children)
Except - you bring your own gas. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/25/liberals-attack-bondi-sanders-trump-667934 [politico.com] The left wants to be gaslighted, when it is convenient for them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @04:58AM (1 child)
We're in a cold civil war.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @08:42AM
Oh, please! Go soak your head in cold water!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:31PM (33 children)
So they are less and less fascist? Or more and more anti-fascist?
Do you even engrrrrish brroooo?
You complain even though every single person on this site says Antifa violence is not OK. How is the made-up victim-hood coming along?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:37PM (32 children)
Citations needed. Seriously, citations are needed. I think all right leaning people on this site have condemned Antifa violence. Not certain, but I think so. An awful lot of centrists have done so. But, left leaning persons? Mostly, I see them dismissing any left violence, or denying it, or trying to justify it with whataboutisms. I do believe that a number of our left-leaning members are HAPPY to see leftist violence.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:40PM
Lol, nice circular logic.
"I totally bring up Antifa violence all the time as whataboutism to avoid dealing with far right extremism that I personally agree with and you LEFTISTS just dismiss it like nothing!"
Citations needed, HA! You're such a twat, but hey projection and gaslighting are your preferred methods of "debate."
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:51PM (3 children)
Antifa violence is not OK.
I'm just sick of this obvious attempt to equivocate a few asshole protesters with Nazis running down people with cars, shooting up churches and sending bombs to people.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:52AM (2 children)
So, tell me something. At what point in time, precisely, did Hitler become a monster? Sometime before or after The Night of Broken Glass? Sometime before or after he wrote his tortured fairy tale, Meinkampf? Sometime before or after he was gassed, in WW1? Or, maybe it wasn't until after the allies discovered his his death camps?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @08:55AM
Oh, a softball question! When he moved to Arkansas! Did you never hear the American Folk tune, "A Cold Hand from Arkansas"?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @09:12AM
History is written by the winners.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @12:34AM (6 children)
Problem indicator: Runaway thinking again. Of course righties condemn anti-fascist resistence! Gets in the way of them threatening or inflicting violence on others. What we have not seen here on SoylentNews is right-tinctured (racist-infused) people condemning violence by right wing extremist goups like Daily Sturnmer. When are you going to condemn right-wing violence, Runaway1956 (((registered gun owner))), instead of inciting it?
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:48AM (5 children)
Poor little dummy, I've often condemned right wingnuts like white supremacists. Remember when I said we should have let the Nazis and the commies fight it out in Charlottesville? Every dead Nazi is a victory for democracy, and every dead commie is a victory for democracy.
But, oh, most of Soylent gets angry at me for saying that because, uhh, errr, the dead commie was a girl, and, uhhh, we weren't supposed to know that she was a commie activist, she was supposed to be presented as an innocent bystander.
(Score: 2, Troll) by jmorris on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:41AM (4 children)
Nice concept but it would have been impossible. Antifa and the local government were one. Read the official State Police after action report, it is damning. If anyone wants to know who to blame for the violence and the heart attack, start with the Governor and work down to the local police leadership. But curious why you are equating lawful protesters, people who paid for a permit, set up a stage and had the local law enforcement did their duty would have had a rally, waved some signs, gave speeches and peacefully went home, to the violent Communists of Antifa. Whether one believes they were all Nazis or not, used to be even Nazis had a right to assemble, march and protest. The ACLU even put their money where their principles were and defended them, the KKK, pretty much anyone peacefully protesting.
But if one does do the thought experiment of C-Ville with the police and National Guard units pulling out and just "letting them fight it out" it would have been a massacre. Antifa did bring a few guns (which was what Fields was fleeing from when he ran into the main body of Antifa protesters) but they would have found themselves greatly outgunned. Many of the group protesting the removal of the statue were quite well armed, it is a testament their fire discipline that even under the most severe provocation (homemade "flame throwers", etc.) not a single Antifa was shot. One loose cannon did fire off a few rounds over their heads even after being told of the danger. (The National Guard was lying in wait for start of gunplay so they could execute an order to slaughter the "Nazis". Again, read the State Police report.) Again, take the government forces out of the equation and Antifa would have suffered crippling casualties.
Which is why it is good that the Right took the correct lesson from that day's events. Street protests are -always- Power speaking to Truth. So until we get a State level sponsor, such as Antifa has, we should avoid such traps. The Proud Boys idiots in Portland still haven't got the memo. Alas. Somebody will end up getting killed. A journalist has already suffered brain damage from Antifa for the crime of covering their illegal activities. Again, they are immune from prosecution because the local government is basically Antifa.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:31AM
Total bullshit, jmorris you ferking unamerican! The Cops in Portland have well know right-wing tendencies, as do all cops everywhere. Text-messages have been leaked. They then to be closeted gays, as well, but that is a steroids thing. So take your spin and twist it up your anal orafice, jmorris of the right-twisted sphincter! Anti-fa is coming for you, for the same reason the government is coming for you, and that is because you are basically a criminal, an enemy of the people, and thus an enemy of the state, which are "we, the people". I would be very afraid if I were you. I would stop posting in this forum, and I would realize that at this point Gab is nothing but a honeypot for really stupid right-wing extremists. We, the people, are coming for you, since you are not one of us. I suggest you go back to where you came from.
Oh, the SJW Wet Squad is still tracking you. They just fixed that "secure messaging" thing. It is what you don't know that can hurt you.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:04PM (1 child)
Who wants to be this is realDonaldTrump modding himself up again?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:42PM
Why do you think jmorris posts so rarely these days?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:34PM
If this is true, why are you still alive?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:12AM (19 children)
There are important differences between antifa and fascist violence:
1. Fascists target people for saying things they don't like. Antifa generally targets people who are either engaged in violence or intending to engage in violence.
2. Fascists also targets people for aspects of their lives that they cannot change, such as being genetically Jewish, non-white, or gay. Antifa targets people for being fascist, which is a choice they made. Fascists could always avoid further targeting by antifa by renouncing fascism, whereas fascist targets cannot avoid further targeting by renouncing antifa (which they might not have been in the first place).
3. Fascists frequently use lethal force. Antifa generally uses non-lethal force, or sometimes no force at all (e.g. many antifa folks focus on getting fascists fired from their jobs).
You desperately want to make fascists the victims here. I will concede that fascists and antifa are morally equivalent when I see somebody spouting antifa slogans or involved in antifa do any of the following:
1. Walk into a group of people and shoot as many as they can before someone takes them down.
2. Run people over with their car.
3. Shoot into crowds.
4. Indeed, kill anybody at all.
5. On a large scale, threaten to kill people, including members of Congress.
Fascists have done all of these things. Antifa has not, at least according to sources I was able to find.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @02:55AM (3 children)
What, does yahweh re-write their DNA when they chop their foreskins off?
It's funny how being jewish is a race when it's convenient. A religion when that's convenient. And an ethnicity when that's convenient.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @04:31AM (2 children)
I found "genetically Jewish" kind of odd/funny too, but it was pretty easy to just read it as awkward phrasing for, "of Jewish heritage".
The funny thing is that folks who hate Jewish people are the ones who made Jewish-ness into an ethnicity. You could be an atheist born of a single Jewish parent and a non-Jewish parent and the Nazis in the US will still hate you, maybe beat you up, or even kill you-- same as the original Nazis, who looked at family lines for percentages of Jewish blood, to know who to round up and murder.
So, yeah, the right has always done stuff like this when convenient for them.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @08:38AM
Personally, I probably count as one or both of these - as in my paternal grandmother was born to a Jewish father and Christian mother. She (my grandmother) totally denounced Judaism, running away from an arranged marriage, and later, running away from the Nazis in 1930's Germany. Both my parents were Quakers.
Presumably, the Nazis would still go after my grandchildren. Sanity and Nazism are clearly incompatible.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 17 2019, @12:56PM
The "genetically Jewish" was to clarify that this wasn't necessarily people who practice Judaism. For instance, when the Nazis went after Jews, if you had a grandfather who was Jewish, you were Jewish for their purposes, even though according to Judaism you aren't Jewish unless you convert. That also meant that converting to Christianity or even aiding the Nazis did not save you from the gas chambers.
And the neo-Nazis take their cues on this from the original Nazis.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:06AM (4 children)
I was wondering if I was reading a really old comment or if you just haven't done a search for "Andy Ngo" and are uninformed -- you know the gay POC a bunch of pasty white Portland Antifa bashed?
Or how about the dude in WA who tried to set ICE on fire because anarchists don't believe in borders? He wrote some interesting music if you like folksy stuff: https://archive.org/details/emma-durutti---the-audio-manifesto/01+post.mp3 [archive.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:18PM (3 children)
Andy Ngo is alive and well.
You are trying to make that equivalent to the murders of:
- Heather Heyer (car attack in Charlottesville)
- Joyce Fienberg, Richard Gottfried, Rose Mallinger, Jerry Rabinowitz, Cecil Rosenthal, David Rosenthal, Bernice Simon, Sylvan Simon, Daniel Stein, Melvin Wax, Irving Younger (Pittsburgh, PA synagogue)
- Lori Gilbert-Kaye (Poway, CA synagogue)
- Blaze Bernstein (Orange County, CA)
- Clementa C. Pinckney, Cynthia Marie Graham Hurd, Susie Jackson, Ethel Lee Lance, Depayne Middleton-Doctor, Tywanza Sanders, Daniel L. Simmons, Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, Myra Thompson (Charleston, SC church shooting)
And that's just in the last few years, in the US alone, and I probably missed more than a few. Most of the victims I just mentioned had absolutely nothing to do with Antifa, but were simply black or Jewish and that made them targets.
Read through my standards again. The attack on Andy Ngo, even if we completely accept the conservative description of events, is not equivalent either morally or legally to multiple mass murders.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:33PM (1 child)
>Andy Ngo is alive and well.
He has brain damage. He has been threatened with death if he is found in public.
How is that "well"?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 02 2019, @05:34AM
Antifa does not value functioning brains.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 02 2019, @06:21AM
Heather Heyer would not have died that moment (hard to say day, given that she was a morbidly obese chain smoker) had police prevented the non-permited groups from conflicting with the permited groups.
Lets say a crafty adversary wants to burn down a building and not get caught. He can inconspicuously empty gasoline in the smoker's area. The court can sentence the smoker for the fire, but the person who intentionally elevated the odds in favor of the intended crime gets away.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @11:53AM (6 children)
Did you never read the Gulag Archipelago, Thexalon? From what you asserted, you should. The Killing Fields would be a good follow-up.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:29PM (5 children)
So let me get this straight: Are you saying that because the Russian Communists and Khmer Rouge were evil bastards, that justifies murdering Jews and black people in the United States?
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @02:26PM (3 children)
Thexalon, given how long we have both contributed to this community and the time we have had to get the cut of each other's jib, that insinuation is unworthy of you. So I'm going to pretend that you didn't just try to willfully misconstrue what I wrote as a justification for "murdering Jews and black people in the United States."
You were defining fascism as people who kill others based on factors over which they have no control. My point was that by your definition Stalin and Pol Pot were also fascists, when in fact they were socialists. If you go by the numbers (as if mass murders can really be compared on a numerical basis) socialists hold the world record for mass murder, by far. So the semiotic othering you were consciously or subconsciously employing skirts objective fact in favor of partisan conceit.
It must also be pointed out that mass murdering others based on race, creed, etc. really has nothing to do with a particular system of government else we must perforce ridiculously try to jam the Rwandan genocide into such a mold or re-cast democracy as a demonic system that was entirely in force for the whole process of destroying the Amerrican Indians.
In short, it's not that simple. And, when we persist in purposeful, intentionally reductive thinking, it's glib.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:49PM
Ugh how stupid are you to be dragging that tired line out again? At least your point is about governing ideology even if it is really stupid.
Dictatorships != socialism. The Nazis were not socialists beyond their populist label.
Maybe don't try and shoehorn in your personal politics if you don't want to be misconstrued. Context my dear phoenix, context.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:37PM
And North Korea is a Democracy!
Afterall, it says so right in the name: Democratic People's Republic of Korea
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:26PM
I was defining fascism as people who say proudly that they're fascists, Nazis, neo-Nazis, or alt-right (which is basically a rebranding of "fascist"). I then described some of the murders people who have espoused that ideology have committed in recent years.
You responded by saying, in essence, "Do you know how bad the Communists of the 1940's and 1970's were?" There were only the following interpretations available:
1. Your argument was completely irrelevant to the discussion and a red herring.
2. Communist murders should be attributed to modern-day antifa, which makes fascist murders not all that bad by comparison. Incidentally, this is precisely the argument that the German Nazi Party used to convince the French, Brits, and Americans to tolerate them for as long as they did.
As far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing as a morally justified mass murder. Period. End of discussion. There's no "Yes, but ...". There's no "But the other guys ...". There's no "We have to think about the big picture ...". And that's true regardless of the politics claimed by the perpetrators or the victims.
And while it is also true that there are mass murderers who aren't fascist, every single fascist government that has ever existed committed mass murder: Franco did it. Mussolini did it. Hitler did it. Showa did it. Pinochet did it. So if you are trying to justify fascism, you are trying to justify mass murder.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:28PM
Yes, this is what Phoenix666 is saying, and what all the alt-right nazi supporters here are saying. Which is why they need to be arrested and imprisoned so they can join a nice white supremacist prison gang, like the Aryan Brotherhood.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 18 2019, @05:31AM (2 children)
Replace fascists with communists in the parent post and you might see the problem. Communists also target people and kill people when they try to take power. Would you support the same rules of engagement for "anti-com" targeting communists like antifa targets fascists?
Antifa professor Eric Clanton split someone's head open with a bike lock. That was a near kill. So there you have assault with a deadly weapon because someone was supporting a political position to the right of communism. They do not target only fascists as any reasonable person would define it. They are stupid cowards motivated by a political worldview that any adult would call childish. It appears that for now, Antifa kills brain cells, starting with their own.
Antifa harasses reporters who cover their violence, and left wing news provides cover for them. Do not expect unbiased reporting about them.
Antifa made Hilter's rise to power possible. Antifa destroyed property, then as they do now. Some people self organized to protect against this destruction. They called themselves the brown shirts. Governments exist to protect rights and property. Do you see the problem yet? Antifa gave their opposition power by giving them lots of jobs in positions that require trust. They will make the same mistake again, if we let them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 23 2019, @04:18AM
Andy Ngo: Beaten & robbed on 29 June by at least a dozen masked antifa assailants in downtown Portland. Andy was hospitalized with head contusions, a ripped ear, and a brain hemorrhage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 02 2019, @05:31AM
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/08/01/maga-hat-attack/ [cbslocal.com]
6:50 p.m. Tuesday on Canal Street near Greene Street in Manhattan. (July 30, 2019)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday July 17 2019, @12:25AM (7 children)
One of them murdered 50 people going to church in my country, so I'd be worried if threats were made to me.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:57AM (2 children)
Clarification. You say "one of them". To whom are you referring when you say "them"? The so-called fascists? The so-called antifas? Or someone else?
(Score: 5, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday July 17 2019, @02:23AM (1 child)
A fascist of course. A self-declared fascist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 18 2019, @01:26PM
Self declared? As a New Zealander how could you possibly have first hand knowledge? Are you peeking at the forbidden documents? Have you opened the Ark of the Covenant? Beware of strange knocks at your door. It might be the thought police come to take you off to Room 101.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:10PM (3 children)
I assume you meant the Christchurch killings. How can you be sure it even happened? Word is that your government dropped the whole incident down the memory hole by force of law. We heard that they're locking up anyone who tries to discover anything about it or spreads knowledge of it. They say that the alleged shooter is now referred as He-Who-Must-Not-be-Named. Maybe it was Voldemort for all we know.
BTW, Muslims don't go to church, they go to mosque.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @08:55PM
Not very well educated, are we?
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday July 18 2019, @12:10AM (1 child)
What a fucking idiot. You know New Zealand is a small country right? As it happens a good friend of mine is an emergency nurse at Christchurch hospital, so how do you think I know it happened?
Idiot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 18 2019, @01:18PM
My post was very tongue in cheek but you are too worked up in your own self righteousness to recognize it. It was more of a slam at the idiocy of censorship overreach that NZ has pursued, but go ahead and pat yourself on the back for showing that bad ole Nazi a thing or two.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @12:45AM (8 children)
actionable phrases
You're so full of shit (and the moderators too!). There's no such thing.
Does any of that shit incite you to commit violence? No? I know it doesn't do anything for me. So fuck you! The people with no self control should be punished for choosing to get violent. All harm done is their own damn fault and nobody else's.
Censorship is fascism, always! It is lamentable to see the fascists winning. I hope we can defeat it with bulletproof technology some day.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @02:51AM (3 children)
"Fighting Words"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:22AM (1 child)
"Fighting words" is a remnant idiom sourced in honor culture which in the modern day, is pretty incomprehensible unless you are in gang.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:38AM
Say that to my face, you Cretin of an AC! I will take my satisfaction upon your body! Or, up your arse! Choose your weapon!
But, all the same, words uttered with the intent of provoking violence are tantamount to an act of violence intended to provoke reciprocal violence, so just let me punch you in the face like the pathetic coward Nazi you are, so we can just get this over with, and we can all anally rape you like you wanted in the first place.
However, like Jane in Firefly, "cutting on yourself? When does that get to be fun?"
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 18 2019, @01:58AM
So what? It's still bullshit. If you can't control your reaction to words, you are the savage that needs to be isolated from society.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:45AM (3 children)
Oh, really?
But that measure, Heinrich Himmler should've been innocent of holocaust, he didn't do anything else but speak.
The persons truly responsible should've been those who carried out his orders, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:28AM (2 children)
Are you joking? Maybe you're thinking of Goebbels.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:42AM (1 child)
Substitute the speaker person** you think is appropriate, my point doesn't change in the matter of its substance.
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** Based on the info I got [wikipedia.org]
See? Supposedly only "no-such-thing as actionable speech" words being uttered!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 18 2019, @02:02AM
Yes, it's still bullshit. The people who carry out the orders are the guilty party, nobody else. What would Hitler be without followers?? An unknown painter, maybe.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:11PM (4 children)
The whole lot of neo-nazi assholes are just total cowards. Proven time and again, that is why they were attracted to an ideology of hate. Bring others down to lift yourself "up". Pretty sad, and no surprise this idiot is on the run.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by stretch611 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @12:22AM (3 children)
Sounds like rule number one in the Trump playbook.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 1, Troll) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @11:56AM (2 children)
that sounds like rule number one in most playbooks, actually. when is the last time you heard anyone address an opponent with honor?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:51PM
Lol eveyone get into the mud! There is no hope for humanity, the worst always win, give up now!!!
Go boil yer head.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday July 17 2019, @04:56PM
I don't recall most presidents from any party stooping to the lows that Trump does.
You don't necessarily have to address an opponent with honor. But it is ordinary politeness to address them properly, without making up special names for them as done in kindergarten. Only Trump, as I recall, routinely, adds a pejorative adjective in front of people's names.
Lyin' somebody
Loosin' someone else
Crooked someone
And Trump is one to call anyone else lying, loosing, or crooked, by any standards of comparison to those he labels.
As much as I like to describe Mr. Trump with terms like 'orange clown', 'jackass', etc; I wouldn't do that in a formal setting. Or in a serious forum, especially if I were representing any part of the government in any way.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:19PM
Racist SLPC complaining about racist Daily Stormer, news at 11.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:22PM (1 child)
Your Civics lesson for the day:
Criticizing the President IS Free Speech [reason.com]
Inciting a crime IS NOT Free Speech [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 1) by saturnalia0 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:24PM
Should it be illegal to "incite to riot"? Suppose that Green exhorts a crowd: "Go! Burn! Loot! Kill!" and the mob proceeds to do just that, with Green having nothing further to do with these criminal activities. Since every man is free to adopt or not adopt any course of action he wishes, we cannot say that in some way Green determined the members of the mob to their criminal activities; we cannot make him, because of his exhortation, at all responsible for their crimes. "Inciting to riot," therefore, is a pure exercise of a man's right to speak without being thereby implicated in crime.
On the other hand, it is obvious that if Green happened to be involved in a plan or conspiracy with others to commit various crimes, and that then Green told them to proceed, he would then be just as implicated in the crimes as are the others — more so, if he were the mastermind who headed the criminal gang. This is a seemingly subtle distinction which in practice is clearcut — there is a world of difference between the head of a criminal gang and a soap-box orator during a riot; the former is not, properly to be charged simply with "incitement."
https://mises.org/library/right-self-defense [mises.org]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:28PM (20 children)
Where was the outrage when libs doxxed gun owners?
https://www.theverge.com/2012/12/25/3802960/new-york-newspaper-posts-map-with-names-addresses-of-gun-owners [theverge.com]
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:37PM (5 children)
lololol
clueless runaway grasping at straws!
No mention of anyone being doxxed in your article, just that some newspapers and local governments published data on gun owners. I don't think it is a good idea to publish such individual information buuuuut
you are a fuckwad for even bringing this up in this story. Can't handle your fascibros getting even a tiny bit of heat so you bring out a story that hardly even fits your narrative.
Runaway the fool, Runaway the dumb, Runaway the alt-right apologist.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:10AM
If you want to encourage firearm thefts and black market arms, posting an interactive map of where they can be stolen from is a good way to go.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:46AM (3 children)
Let us suppose that some news source were to publish the names and addresses of every gay in the city, or state?
Or, they published the names and addresses of every woman who has aborted a baby?
We all hate pedos, so it's alright to have a registry of pedos, with name, address, and photos, right?
Basically, what you're saying is, "It's alright to doxx this group that I don't like, but don't doxx anyone else!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:42AM (1 child)
For someone who has left a trail all over the internets, Runaway1956, I would not make such a big deal out of doxxing, lest it be applied to you. Just some advice from a fellow Soylentil, be more careful.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @02:08PM
So - do it. I'm the asshole who just doesn't give a damn.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:53PM
Hah, Runaway the illiterate!!!
I specifically said I think those lists are bad. I agreed with you, but your feelz come before the realz so you only latched on to the criticisms. Dummy indeed.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @12:22AM (4 children)
This is so fucking weak sauce.
Chart: Gun permit data accessibility in all 50 states [rcfp.org]
You knew that, tho, right? Oh who the fuck am I kidding. Operation Jade Helm and concentration camps and suddenly all that blabla muh tree of liberty is nowhere to be seen. Actually the "blood of patriots" is even more hilarious when factoring in regular menstruation. Once again we see that killing all men is the only way forward.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:15AM (3 children)
Apparently in most states, license info/concealed carry info is not publicly available. Runnaway pointed to an article that was incredibly poorly thought out because it was basically a "here's where to rob" list. You think that's a good idea?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @09:34AM (2 children)
Hell, ya! I say publish it all, especially the coward who conceal-carry. Cowardly sneaks. But here is the real deal: so you have a "where to rob" list, of people who have guns? One: do you think they just leave them laying around, so you can steal them? Two, and here's the clincher, people who own guns, at least the wacko 2a types, just live for the day that they can defend their sovereign castle and their guns by using their guns to foil a gun robbery! How is is the not a win-win? The criminals have a fair chance of a good take, high value easily transported loot, and the homeowner has a chance to vindicate their obsession with firearms! Possibly they could both make out like bandits!
(Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:20PM (1 child)
Even when locked up they can still rather easily be stolen. First, they may not be locked up. Second, if they are stored with trigger locks the entire gun walks away pretty easily. The trigger lock prevents unauthorized use but not unauthorized possession. Third even if the guns are stored in a locked cabinet or safe you just steal the entire safe.
When perimeter/building security is breached it is only a mater of time until access controls are subverted. Always. Only a mater of time. How much time is what you get to define. Just like a computer.
Please don't do things that actively encourage them to do that. Might as well go poke a bear in the face with a stick.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:30PM
Leave your mother out of this. Or, learn to spell.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:21AM (5 children)
You're trying to claim that these are equivalent:
1. "Here are some people living near you with the means to kill you and your family."
2. "Here is exactly where you can find specific people that we'd like to make sure fear for their safety, and wouldn't mind seeing dead."
They aren't. Not legally, not morally.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @04:12AM (2 children)
Not morally? You need to have your moral compass recalibrated.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Wednesday July 17 2019, @09:37AM (1 child)
Runaway, you are an idiot. I know I have said it before, but you have just made it apparent again. You are an idiot.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @03:56PM
Wow, a concise (for ari) insult. Can't get much clearer than that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:17AM
Release all motor vehicle licensing info!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:22PM
Pants on fire, man. Look at your lying face in a mirror and feel shame. If you're still capable of it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:31AM (1 child)
Ahhh...likely targets. You should just remember that RWNJ are not the only believers in the 2nd Amendment. If a bullet goes whizzing by my head, my only thought is, "You missed", I won't.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:49AM
Well, if he had the shot, and you were completely unaware, but he misses - he deserves to die. He's probably not a true RWNJ anyway, just another wannabe.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:01PM
I have never owned and have no current intentions of owning a firearm.
But if I chose to do so, in a legal fashion, then I would be outraged also.
So as one who does not own a firearm, I think it is fair that I should be outraged over any doxing that may have occurred, because I would be outraged if I chose to be a member of that group who legally owns firearms.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 16 2019, @11:38PM
a wretched hive of scum, villainy, and cheap incel sex changes. I seen movies about them transsexuals and their criminal schemes to get sex changes. They're a menace to women. Send him into the army. That'll straighten him out.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by wisnoskij on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:22AM (2 children)
This appears to be the article at the crux of the case: https://dailystormer.name/jews-targeting-richard-spencers-mother-for-harassment-and-extortion-take-action/ [dailystormer.name]
Apparently, Tanya Gersh was threatening Richard Spencer's mother and demanding money be donated to her organization.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:54AM
Yep, it's them jews! They're killing our babies and poisoning the water supply with birth control pills. They're turning our sons into incels.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:45AM
As well she should have. Montanas have no tolerance for Louisiana racist white trash.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @01:50AM
(((They))) like to stay in the shadows, so they have bogus courts claiming alleged deadly violence by things written on a web page. (Words can and have been used to inflict violence by the communist left by invading weak minds.) If and when they find words written by a right-leaning person against a left-leaning person, they send the troops to cause real harm to the leftist, confirming that the words on the webpage did this, and that the right-leaning people must be silenced because of this. Seeing this, other right-leaning people should learn to shut up and not criticize the jewish rats and their treasonous friends. It has become a game for the sleazy khazar jewish vermin.
Also, Neo-nazis were created/infiltrated/corrupted to control the correct right-thinking right-leaning good people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:50AM
Yeah, this sounds like the right punishment.
(Score: 1) by Coward, Anonymous on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:58AM (3 children)
Lots going on in Whitefish, Montana (pop. 7608). Richard Spencer's mother and Ms. Gersh live there, and Whitefish Energy is the company that got a $300 Million contract to fix the electricity in Puerto Rico.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @07:55AM (2 children)
Not the mention the recently disgraced "Secretary" of the "Interior", Ryan Zinke, who liked to have a flag raised when he was conscious, or something. Whitefish is a pox upon Montana. Almost as bad as "Big Sky", ski resorts attracting all kind of rich right-wing out of staters to engage in animal husbandry and real estate speculation. And speaking of Zinke, do the Navy Seals intentionally recruit idiots? I mean, Jesse Ventura was alright, but Eric Prince? Alright, he washed out. But Duncan Hunter ? "One-eyed Dan" Dan Crenshaw? Child-stabber Chief Edward Gallagher? Where do they get these doozies? Why do they let them out amongst the general populace?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday July 17 2019, @12:17PM (1 child)
Whitefish isn't bad. It's just over-priced. In reality it's no different from Jackson Hole, Wyoming, or Steamboat Springs, Colorado, or many other ski towns in the West. Californication has spread far.
As for the people living there, well, neither white supremacists nor Jews are native to Whitefish. They're both recent imports. The White Supremacists came over from the panhandle of Idaho, and the Jews probably came with the Hollywood celebrities who built mansions in the area.
The rest of the area is still fine--Eureka, Libby, Columbia Falls, Kila--but who knows for how long?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 17 2019, @05:40PM
Except for the asbestos, and the vermiculite mines that Richard Dick "Dick" Cheney managed to allow W. R. Grace and Company not to have to clean up. Of course, if the choice is between asbestos and out-of-state white supremacists, well, no contest, right?