Russian hackers probed election systems in all 50 states, a new Senate report confirmed Thursday.
The report comes one day after former special counsel Robert Mueller told Congress that the Russian government is working to meddle in U.S. elections "as we sit here."
"It wasn't a single attempt," Mueller said Wednesday of Russia's 2016 election interference. "They're doing it as we sit here. And they expect to do it during the next campaign."
The bipartisan report by the Senate Intelligence Committee released Thursday confirmed previous comments by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that Russian hackers scanned election systems in all 50 states ahead of the 2016 presidential election. DHS initially acknowledged Russian attempts to hack into election systems in just 21 states.
Russia targeted all 50 states in 2016 election hacking campaign, Senate report confirms
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @11:15PM (25 children)
I find this totally believable. I also believe every other country with the means to do so is doing the same, in particular the three in the subject line. The US is also doing it to every other country as well.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by RamiK on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:11AM (20 children)
Not Israel. We Zionists hedge our bets on both democratic and republican congressmen and senators equally in plain view via AIPAC thank you very much.
Hacking... Pfft. Soviet amateurs.
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:20AM (19 children)
Are they contributing to both sides in Danielle Stella vs. Ilhan Omar?
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by RamiK on Saturday July 27 2019, @01:55AM (16 children)
Sure. Obama said worse when he campaigned. Trump did too. You can go back at least as far as Nixon and find openly anti-Semitic candidates being supported by AIPAC.
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @11:26AM (15 children)
Trump is anti-semitic? You have to be kidding me. You people have totally lost a grip on reality.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @11:51AM (6 children)
Next somebody will claim Hitler was antisemitic! Pfffft.....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:30PM (5 children)
Hitler was very antisemetic. He said economics was a sham science devised by the jews to scam everyone else. Then he devised his own crank version of economics that was pretty much the same thing as this "Modern Monetary Theory". It predictably led to the need for mass murder and world war:
https://mises.org/library/hitlers-economics [mises.org]
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday July 27 2019, @03:27PM (3 children)
Do you have EVIDENCE of his being anti-semitic? In what way was he?
The Nazional Enquirer wants to know.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:16PM (1 child)
Yes, direct quotes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17DkMDvKqw0 [youtube.com]
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:59PM
"Ve shall now track your IP address, yes?
You SHALL be made to talk. Ve shall use pointy sticks on you!"
"SCHTARKER! This ees CHAOS! Ve do not use 'pointy sticks'!"
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @03:45AM
And what evidence would you find convincing? Trump may not be anti-semitic but he does a damn good job of playing one on TV.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:10PM
https://bit.tube/play?hash=QmadkqTXbuzU6ZL4tXT3vYxYFAE68DPbi4BRoJacAvaSZm&channel=96162&for=europa&playlist=15699&playindex=0 [bit.tube]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by RamiK on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:52PM (7 children)
He's not. But he made a lot of antisemitic remarks. Which is exactly the point. Talk is cheap and politician's talk is borderline worthless. Especially when they're try to appeal to a tribal voter base that elects by association rather than platform.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @03:12PM (4 children)
Like what?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:46PM (3 children)
https://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9843670/donald-trump-anti-semitic [vox.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:30PM (1 child)
There's nothing anti-semitic about those quotes... more fake news like I thought.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @10:32AM
The black equivalent would have been saying he'll give them the best watermelons and chicken.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @06:45PM
This is what inane (probably insane too) anti-semetic ranting looks like: https://i.ibb.co/3ryRPDb/Screenshot.png [i.ibb.co]
Not Trump's off color jokes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @07:31PM (1 child)
Why is there no whoosh Mod for times like this when we need one?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @08:21PM
There is no woosh...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:49AM (1 child)
Damn traitorous Libertarians! https://www.thedailybeast.com/nord-stream-2-sen-rand-paul-fights-sanctions-on-russian-pipeline [thedailybeast.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:12PM
likely the only Real American (TM) in congress.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:42AM (3 children)
Yeah, but it's all about the narrative of 1) slandering Donald Trump's claim to the presidency and 2) prevent any closer cooperation that may conflict with the wishes of other interested parties.
(Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:30PM (2 children)
The Russians threw off their parasitical leftists when communism collapsed. Needless to say our own virtue signalling subversives are a little pissed off at the motherland for not only no longer supporting their work against the USA but occasionally buddying up with Trump.
CNN and the other human debris have the behavior of a jilted jealous woman after she gets dumped.
In the 60s its all "I love you and you're perfect and we'll be together forever and its only coincidence I want your throbbing hard bulging wallet of KGB money and support."
After they get dumped in the early 90s its a constant stream of vitrol "I hate you and I want to file retroactive domestic violence and rape charges and ignore anything I ever said about us being besties"
In the 60s our local subversives were pimping bottles of "Che Guevara bath water" to thirsty morons so the Russians paid them quite a commission of help and assistance and moral support; after the fall of communism the money spigot dried up and our local subversives aggressively talk shit about their old boss.
If the Russians were dumb enough to elect Obama or Hillary or that freaky clown from Canada, our local subversives would be right back to Russia worship as if the breakup never happened.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:26PM
Ewww, can you resume your SN hiatus?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:15AM
What the hell are you talking about??? When was the KGB ever in the habit of handing out oodles of cash to their fan base? And what is this about "Che Guevera bath water"? I tried looking this one up on google. The only hits I got said that he apparently was not overly fond of bathing. Are you talking out of your ass again? Have you been taking your medication? Enquiring minds want to know.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday July 26 2019, @11:24PM (49 children)
Wake me when Russia engages in violent regime change actions here -- like HRC/Obama in Libya. Till then, I would really like to see none of the newRedScare here.
Also wake me when the DNC actually does something for the people as opposed to grandstanding.
I suspect I will be sleeping for just about forever.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:47AM (20 children)
I don't find it as innocuous as you do. We were harmed GREATLY by Russia having Trump elected. If they were in all 50 states, then they easily contributed to the Orange Anus being elected, even though he lost the popular vote by over 2 million. The places where the race was tight, and Trump was declared winner, should be HIGHLY suspect at this point. ANY votes done electronically should be considered suspect and likely tampered with.
Considering how Trump has acted like Putin's Piss Boy, and the Republicans are actively obstructing any efforts to address voting security issues, I find it entirely believable that Russia is responsible.
Remember, there is a difference between manipulating our emotions, fears, and prejudices, and outright manipulation of the votes. One makes us look bad and weak, the other is a crystal clear call for WAR against Russia.
If it's proved that they elected Trump, then I wholly support going to war against Russia, both physically and in cyberspace. Send some cruise missiles and MOABs to the Kremlin and clue those fuckers in on what happens when you attack Americans!
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1, Troll) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @03:49AM (7 children)
Trump won because the DNC coronated HRC. Unless HRC was a Russian plant to get Trump elected, the Russians had nothing at all to do with it.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by ikanreed on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:23AM (1 child)
Well, that's a half truth. If propaganda didn't work, campaigns wouldn't spend a billion+ on it every election.
Besides, this article describes an attempt at hacking election infrastructure, which, to be honest, I had thought was overblown bullshit on centrist dem's part. It's not stated whether anything was actually compromised, but I would say, in context, your confidence is undue.
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:17PM
US is the single country I know that legalized money as speech [wikipedia.org].
And it's getting even closer to unlimited money as speech [theatlantic.com] - coming to you through Alaska [adfmedia.org].
Next steps? Get rid of speech and keep only the money. With the immediate consequence of getting rid of the elections all together, 'cause they don't matter anymore but involve significant costs.
Rip what you sow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Interesting) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:47AM (2 children)
Debbie Wassterman Schulz and other DNC operatives sabotaged Bernie Sanders, a jewish person, for the zionist project in Israel.
HRC would have at least charged a hefty fee for the concessions on Jerusalem, Gollan and in general allowing the Isaeli military to assassinate peaceful protestors and steal land all day long, as well as continually waging offensive war against syria.
Writing Israel out of the 2016 election and Trump presidency is a true expression of ignorance, and anything that Russia has done Israel has done twice as much, and we are actually paying money for the privilege and allowing a zionist cultural hegemony in our legal, media and financial systems, as well as spies to legally operate as a paramilitary for people like Harvey Weinstein and you know who.
Yes most Americans were repulsed by HRC as a person with good reason, but she was ultimately just as much of a traitor and also random fainting is hardly the trait of a good candidate....
Consistent application of law and principle is difficult nowadays, but I refuse to hand out respect to anyone selectively applying any rule to anyone, or anyone who thinks they are an exception.
Stop dealing with the monkey, and start dealing with the organ grinder.
I will never let any zionist claim they are an ally of my country. Alpha Zionist Shapiro was asked on Real Time with Bill Maher what he thought of trump and he just said he liked the tax cut, no other ideas to share. Trump is a disaster for america, 2016 was a disaster for america, zionists are just pouring gasoline on the fire and they welcome Russians to the dance party as the republic burns.
Apparently the pentagon and 'homeland security' are bent over some or another barrel just taking it, i suspect because they don't want to piss off whoever funds the whole unlimited unaudited budget they have going on, but who knows what the true interest of these generals are who don't take the job of actually defending anything very seriously.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @01:15PM
Operation Firesign: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0pBgJY_76s7dnlnX1pUemJFcm8/view [google.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:35PM
Yes, the Jews are running the US (just watch CSPAN for a hearing or two and count the Jews and their POC agents) and this Russia shit is extra ridiculous while the same Jews running Russia are now here pulling the same shit they pulled in the Bolshevik Revolution they just haven't gotten to the killing part yet. America is probably not redeemable and Aryans won't be free or safe until we have an ethno-state. It will take a miracle and a free internet to reeducate Aryans so that they would even want that. Right now they are more than happy to degenerate into monkeys. We could always take the rest back later once we rebuilt our culture and people. This is all Hitler was trying to do. Kick out the subversive parasites and rebuild his country and people. That couldn't be allowed to happen so the Jews mobilized their slave states against Germany and killed as many Aryans as they could (100 million?) using other ignorant and indoctrinated Aryans.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Saturday July 27 2019, @06:18PM
Noooooooooo, Trump may have won because Russia was directly manipulating the vote. This is beyond partisan politics and is about a direct attack on our election infrastructure.
It doesn't matter who was trying to run for President. Hacking our election systems is an attack against our sovereignty and deserves a military response.
Trump isn't transparent either. Pee-Pee Tape anyone? He refuses to show his taxes, flaunts the foreign emoluments clause, refuses to divest himself from his businesses, funnels money from campaigns back into his pocket, etc. He's a dirty fuckwad, and it looks likely that he is actually serving RUSSIA.
So it's not hyperbolic to state that the Russians hacked our election system to forcibly elect somebody that they could control, or already control.
You should be EXTREMELY concerned and pissed off about this. The first thing we should be doing is outlawing electronic voting of any kind, and securing our election infrastructure. To do otherwise is a dickhead partisan move, because just at the moment, the Russians are supporting the Republicans.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by Nobuddy on Monday July 29 2019, @01:57PM
you are SO CLOSE, but you stopped short. Keep thinking, use that rancid pudding you call a brain and carry that thought to its logical conclusion.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by shortscreen on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:27AM (11 children)
Let's go to war against Russia because Hillary didn't win.
I'm assuming this post was elevated to score 5 because of its stark illustration of the level of insanity that exists in US two-party politics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:19PM
FTFY
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:04PM
Dumbass, it is weird to see a liberal being the patriotic freedom fighter while the conservative double checks to make sure the spine removal procedure really was successful.
Not saying we should go to war, but you should be pissed off.
(Score: 1, Troll) by edIII on Saturday July 27 2019, @06:13PM (8 children)
This has nothing to do with Hillary you stupid fuck. It's about RUSSIA DIRECTLY MANIPULATING OUR VOTING SYSTEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you not fucking understand that? What the fuck is wrong with you? It's a direct attack against our sovereignty. We may be forced to choose between a shit sandwich and a douchenozzle, but at least we get to choose. When Russia steals that by hacking electronic voting machines and subverting our election infrastructure it is a direct attack against America.
This is beyond two party politics, or partisan politics in general. You want to hand waive that away, you better understand that you're giving away EVERYTHING to RUSSIA. They control our politics, who gets to choose what.
Considering that Donny Douchebag flaunts the foreign emoluments clause, refuses to show taxes, and is highly suspected to be in bed with the Russian mob, we should be very concerned that America isn't being directly compromised by Russia on a daily basis.
For the record you stupid fuck, I hated Hillary. But this ain't about that bitch. It ain't about Bernie. It's only tangentially about Orange Anus too.
Wake up dumbass!!
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 5, Touché) by shortscreen on Saturday July 27 2019, @08:32PM (1 child)
Unhinged much?
The worst possible outcome from Russia or anyone else flipping some bits in a voting machine that is stupidly connected to the internet is that we elect one of the shitty candidates offered up by our own shitty system. Which we were going to do anyway. If TPTB actually thought that this mattered they would get the damn voting machines fixed and rerun the election. The idea that this could lead to the downfall of the empire is laughable.
You think Russia has influence in US politics? Name one sinister thing that the US has done because Russia told it to.
Let's also take your self righteous argument and turn it around. What of all the countries whose sovereignty was directly attacked by the US? And by attacked I don't mean someone ran a port scan, I mean their citizens were killed and their infrastructure was destroyed. If you want to start WW3 because you're so much more important than everyone else, don't expect too many people to take your side. Not that it will matter after the nukes start flying.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:21PM
# Reminder to come back and mod you up when my mod points recycle.
Every time Rachel Madow broadcasts, the risk of thermonuclear oblivion rises.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Sunday July 28 2019, @03:20AM (4 children)
You are sublimating your visceral hatred of Trump into a principled stand for democracy.
The idea that Russia, a shadow of the Soviet Union, can turn a US election for a couple hundred thou is absurd. it is just patently unbelievable on a yellow cake uranium level.
If you really want to take a principled stand for American democracy against foreign interference, first go out an excoriate all those dancing to AIPAC's tune. yeah, thought not.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:32PM
Pathetic that you would excuse actual hacking of our election machines.
You can bitch all day about AIPAC while still condemning Russia's actions. Amazing that their propaganda has sunk so deeply into the older brains that we're reading shit like yours.
Just putting forth the idea that Russia did any hacking for "a couple hundred thou" is profoundly stupid, and then tying it to another Republican boondoggle. Bleh, you sure have switched to being a conservative chud over the years.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Nobuddy on Monday July 29 2019, @02:00PM (2 children)
The budget of just the one Russian STate hacking group that was prosecuted by Meuller was 1.5 million a month. The ads purchased on facebook alone were over $200k a month. You really need to drop the "couple hundred thousand" lie. It makes you look really stupid.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday August 01 2019, @12:46AM (1 child)
So they spent a whole $12 million on it? Do you realize more than $1 billion was spent by the two campaigns? So their $12 million is magically more effective than the $1 billion?
You should revisit the scale of american elections before persisting with such absurd theories.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Nobuddy on Friday August 02 2019, @02:30PM
From that avenue, $12m. at least $100m through the NRA laundering, and most likely the bulk of the half billion they spent on Trump. And all of that very very targeted. As in, targeted by name. Ad buys were listed not by demographic, but by individuals. So a $100k ad buy on facebook did not go out to 100,000 uninterested individuals- it sent carefully worded propaganda and lies straight to the eyes of 100,000 right leaning but undecided people.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:39PM
if we are so fucking stupid to use proprietary voting machines then we deserve to be "hacked"
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:59AM (6 children)
But they are! They're reminding us to stop being horrible racist and sexist deplorables who voted for Trump when it was HER turn. We should be considerate of all 32 currently known genders and corresponding marriage arrangements. We should stop caring about mundane problems such as jobs and illegal immigration; the party elites don't have to work, and your job is probably one Americans wouldn't want to do anyway.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:03AM (5 children)
Well, I voted for Stein but I will admit to feeling a great sense of schadenfreude when Trump won. What is interesting to me is how my feelings for Trump have evolved because of the way the media shills and the the DNC have carried on. I still don't like him, probably (*) won't vote for him, but I do sympathize. There is literally nothing he could do that CNN or the DNC would not criticize. He could accidentally dream up cold fusion and give it away royalty free, and that lot would bitch about RussiaRussiaRussia.
(*) When I examine my feelings on this, I'm pretty shocked to hear myself saying "probably" rather than "definitely". I will say that I'm happy that we haven't gotten into any more serious wars yet -- with HRC we'd have had 50k troops in Syria for the last 2 years -- and being anti-foreign-wars-of-aggression is my primary issue (and the genesis but not the end, of my disgust for Obama). I guess it comes down to whoever the DNC throws up. If it is Harris or Biden, then yeah, I could very well vote for Trump out of spiteful hatred for the DNC moronacracy. If it was someone like Tulsi, I wouldn't feel that way at all. Yang too is pretty interesting but I know much less about him policy wise -- he seems pretty cool though.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @11:31AM
Yep, thats the thing some people don't understand. The MSM and congress are more hated by like 2/3 of the country than Trump could ever be. So the more whining from them and their shills, the more liked he becomes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @06:44PM (3 children)
>I could very well vote for Trump out of spiteful hatred for the DNC moronacracy.
Oh yeah vote for total stupidity because the remaining portion of the government is still a little corrupt too.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:31PM (2 children)
Calling the DNC "a little corrupt" has to be peak understatement. Were you asleep during Obama's terms? When they had control of the house and senate and presidency, did they push progressive topics or was it all about the Cat Food Commission and expanding wars and reducing civil liberties?
Same goes for the GOP -- when it had both houses and the presidency in 2017, did we see the hearing protection act get through?
Of course not -- neither sides wants to do anything their constituents want. They want to PRETEND to fight for what their constituents want -- it's great marketing/campaigning to be an underdog pushing the voters' issues, but man, do they ever run for cover the second they might actually have a chance to pass laws those who voted for them want. Which begs the question -- exactly who do the DNC and GOP represent?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Sunday July 28 2019, @03:25AM (1 child)
Well said. that is how it plays out.
I don't like Trump, but i have been enjoying watching him kick random members of the power elites in the nuts. it's the most progress american government has made in decades, which is itself a pitiful but true measure.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:42PM
Wrong.
The US government is being destroyed and corrupted faster than ever under Trump.
What you actually meant was it is the most progress American politics has made in decades. Many decades actually, and not because Trump was in any way good but that he is SO BAD it finally ripped the band-aid off the political pressures that have been building. Of course that pressure has been artificially inflated by Faux News, talk radio, and the party politics on both sides banking off the division.
You should not be enjoying Trump, that is part of his purpose and it is working beautifully. You have been broken and remolded with zero clue it happened.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @01:10AM (19 children)
Wow.
Who cares about democracy anyway amirite?
WTF is wrong with you assholes?
I'm "loving" how conservatives get all defensive when liberals point out that many world problems are because the US does fucked up shit in other countries, yet now that it has happened to the US they don't give a shit.
Winning at any cost huh? Spineless jellies.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:10AM (18 children)
I'm a liberal. Atheist Jew, anti-foreign-wars, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, pro-environment, pro-equality (of opportunity) (*). But let's be real -- the DNC hasn't lived up to what it pretends to be -- it has been excellent at channeling that great Democrat ^w Republican Joseph McCarthy however.
McCarthyism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism [wikipedia.org]
(*) I am pretty disgusted at the authoritarian left these days because repression of speech, destruction of art, hatred of science, and random violence against those you disagree with, is exactly what I hated about 80s Evangelicals. Same coin, all assholes both sides.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by ikanreed on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:37AM (17 children)
How many fucking murders does the right wing need to do to counter-balance a few people literally wearing nazi armbands getting punched?
More than 200 apparently.
How many laws banning "radical left wing organizing" do republican senators need to propose to be equal to some students protesting someone who comes to their campus and presents a literal slide show of people to harrass and attack on campus?
More than 3 at least.
What fucking psycho world are you living in where people are literally accused of being part of a secret marxist conspiracy by right wing public figures, and it's the left is doing a mccarthyism?
"Double standard" doesn't begin to describe the intellectual dishonesty you're at.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:00AM (14 children)
The world 10-20 years hence will match your sarcasm. There's some serious shit brewing with the authoritarian left.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by ikanreed on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:51AM (13 children)
It's amazing how brazenly you lie.
None of what I said was sarcasm.
(Score: 3, Touché) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @06:55AM (12 children)
Oh, so you thing there is good type of authoritarianism?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:18PM (11 children)
Woooow
Normally you types are whining about "thought crimes" but here we have you accusing the majority of the population of a crime thst hasn't happened while excusing the same shit you're worried about because it us being done by conservatives.
The crazy is just too much.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:14PM (10 children)
Maybe it's because Evergreen is so near me so I'm noticing, but the authoritarian nature of the extreme left is being inculcated into today's youth, who are tomorrow's leaders. And it isn't just thought crime that is being repressed via physical or economic violence, it is actual crime being excused. Look at Oberlin and that bake shop -- the administration's proposal for lifting crippling economic sanctions for the charge of being racist (arrest data from the shop showed it absolutely did not profile any protected group) was to require the owners to give certain groups one free shoplifting crime. That's equity thinking in action (not equality, think Harrison Bergeron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron [wikipedia.org] ).
Today at least, a jury found for the shop owners against Oberlin, but you know most of the jurors were probably educated in a different time. The focus on intersectionality, equity, destruction of due process (#meToo), the straight up unabashed racism, book/art burning (look at how in San Francisco, a school just voted to paint over a mural painted by a communist during the depression designed to undermine hero worship of George Washington, because it shows GW was a slave owner and that natives were treated badly and that might offend certain protected groups -- the shallowness of thought and the willingness to destroy art has the total stink of religious intolerance about it -- how's the saying go: "where they burn books, soon they burn people").
The kids being taught this stuff today will be tomorrow's leaders, and what they are being taught is that X view is righteous and all other views are heretical. You can't even talk about other views and examine them. This is not a recipe for freedom, rather, it is the foundation of authoritarian rule, and all authoritarians -- right, left, middle, purple, whatever -- are a threat to liberty (by fucking definition!). The fact that it is no longer possible to have nuanced conversations about topics without the fear of becoming the subject of the next Twitter Lynching, is merely a symptom of that authoritarianism in action, and a sign of worse to come.
Your behavior here is an example of this sort authoritarian thought in action. You can't have a discussion about a topic with someone without resorting to verbal bashing unless of course you are in perfect agreement, because why: the other person's views are unworthy of discussion? You know all the answers? Everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi at heart? That's new left authoritarianism. You should work on that.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:09PM
Speaking of crazy, thanks for the confirmation.
I guess the truth is too much to handle. Nice victimization, more hypocrisy, lovin' it.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:16PM (4 children)
fucking hell, look at what you are writing.
Yeah, except, you fucking dolt, there is no extreme left. Where is the Communist Party of USA? Are they about to overthrow the rich owner-class?? Where are they??? All I see is 100s of extremists right wing groups.
Sounds like America is in 1930s German Republic, except the fascists don't have a sane leader ... oh wait, when did they need a sane leader?? Hitler was not that much smarter than Trump. And the really stupid people keep voting for the people that then pass policies that fuck them with a metal broom. All the politicians need is "we cut taxes" and "healthcare is for commies" slogans and the morons cheer and vote because they don't have a fucking clue. And you sir, sound like one of these morons.
The nazis call everyone that disagrees with them "left authoritarianists". That's one of the signs of being a fucking nazi.
Yeah... awesome revision of history. It wasn't your nemesis HRC nor the devil you fear much Obama... but you already know that and just spreading bullshit, aren't you??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya#U.K._Parliament_Investigation [wikipedia.org]
In reality, it was the FRENCH that wanted this intervention. Yeah, the French... The rest went along because, you know, allies. So don't worry, no one will wake you up since you already are out of the loop. Sleep well my ignorant, elderly "know-it-all". Don't forget to blame 9/11 on HRC and Obama too and the "totalitarian left"
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @06:09PM (3 children)
Example.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:37PM (2 children)
No, you are the example. Now sit down and shut up, before we have to discipline you with our left-wing authoritay!
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday July 28 2019, @02:09PM (1 child)
Your anti-intellectualism is appalling.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:46PM
Fucking shills 'round here.
"I'm an atheist jew super liberal but here are a bunch of right-wing talking points!"
"I'm an ex-DNC politico who reviled the Clintons repeatedly and sounds like a life time member of the GOP, but please believe my back story as it will help me shape the agenda."
I just can't believe some of you cunts are real, trying to appear reasonable while pushing destructive and distracting bullshit. Thanks a-holes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @06:58PM (3 children)
Hey I was alarmed by what I saw and I wasn't even there when they ended up on the news. I knew something bad was going to happen.
Around 2014 - 2016 I was extremely alarmed to see what are more or less dog whistles for some extremely crazy stuff that your average liberal has barely even heard of.
Tbh I think these people were getting promoted by foreign interests. After the election there was no reason to give them money and people started to see some of these people's true colors and now they're ignored. I hope we continue to ignore them in the upcoming election so that we can get on with unfucking the country.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:12PM (2 children)
It is going on still, and it exists at two levels. I'm not saying there is any coordination between levels, just that both exist. You have west coast street-fighting antifa gaining power from Seattle to San Francisco and close to completely condoned in a place like Portland. At the "legit" level, you hear the same type intersectionalist claptrap from The Squad in Congress who to normal people sound like a broken record screaming "racist" but what you have to realize is that whiteness is akin to original sin (without the opportunity for redemption) and there is nothing a white person does which is not racist -- merely existing is racist. They aren't calling people racist ironically or out of calculation -- they believe it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @05:06PM
Seattle. No antifa is nothing here. I saw them before they were antifa. They were always skinny kids in dirty black sweatshirts. They'd commit minor property damage and they weren't ever good at it. The SPD has somehow convinced them to always freak out at "westlake park" where everything is made of concrete, plexiglass, and bronze... there hasn't been a single breakable thing since the WTO protests in 1999. They even publish their secret plans online... they are really bad at this and nothing to be scared of, they're getting less popular every day. They wear black so they police know who they are even before they start flipping out.
If you'd shit talked Sawant I would have nodded in agreement but compared to the disgusting shitstain subhuman trash we've had in congress a person like AoC is only an improvement. This should be obvious to you
If you don't want to puke after seeing trump and mcconnel then you're doing something wrong. Maybe you should get off facebook.
Can I ask why you're on soylent news and yet you live in Olympia? It seems like your average SN reader could be rich if they had access to this job market. Some of them might not like the more liberal attitude here but you're in Olympia which is even more liberal and undeniably even stupid sometimes.
Seems like a strange place to be when you could land a tech gig and even ride public transit to work while you figured out your transition. I really don't understand people who let money sit right in front of their faces and don't take it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @07:04PM
I'd like to add some more to this because I really do relate to your feelings. Running into SJWs or whatever you want to call them a few years before they appeared in the rest of the country was not cool and it was scary to see them popping up on the internet and getting on the news. A lot of people who may look and in some ways act like SJWs are not sjw's at all. They're mostly unaware of the nutballs, a lot of them are just venting on the internet too. I complain about boomers and sometimes I have to stop myself because I see that something I'm saying is going to sound pretty threatening to some perfectly fine boomers who aren't even the people I'm talking about.
You've considered that the russians were giving money to these assholes cash on patron. Remember they all had that shit and the worst ones all seemed to be getting a middle class salary for their area and then they all went broke after the election?
Nobody likes the people you don't like. They don't even like each other they're eating each other alive over stupid shit and it's often transparently vindictive. It's difficult for most super liberals to believe this shit even exists because they know they're considered pretty radical and they don't think that shit and they don't believe that any of their friends do either and that's why they're friends. At Evergreen you'll know it exists. There were tons of students there trying to get by and get an education. Many of them were even involved in whatever causes but most of us were irritated by the people there to skip school and "protest" in possibly the most liberal public university in the country.
I only half believed in all kinds of shit until I saw it with my own eyes.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by shortscreen on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:48AM
It's not a double standard. Both parties are utterly terrible by the same standard, and they are getting worse. And they each have an infinite supply of apologists like you that continue to justify themselves and deflect any criticism by pointing at the other.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:46PM
Why don't you open your own comment history and count the number of times you have talked about killing other people?
The truth is that you are so far on the left and you don't see anything even crazier than you anymore.
> What fucking psycho world are you living in where people are literally accused of being part of a secret marxist conspiracy by right wing public figures, and it's the left is doing a mccarthyism?
Yes. You are not in power right now. Aren't you pissed?
> "Double standard" doesn't begin to describe the intellectual dishonesty you're at.
Hehahaheehee.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:20AM
Really?!? That is the point at which you will begin to care? When the Russians are marching down Main Street, USA? Wow. Just wow. You have a much larger threshold for concern than I do.
I think you will be having quite a long nap.
Possibly. Quite possibly.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 26 2019, @11:30PM (24 children)
The story helps to point out that the individual states are all guilty of criminal negligence. The voting machine manufacturers are guilty of the same. The RNC and DNC are criminally negligent. The feds are criminally negligent. WTF are we doing all around the world? Meddling in elections. WTF do we expect the competition to do in response? Meddle in elections. WTF are our systems so insecure? Criminal negligence.
And, there are no innocent people in sight. Start with all the sheeple, who complacently accept all the myriad security faults with the computers on their own desks. Let's just give the election system a 3-finger salute, and reboot it one more time. Yep, that's the answer to all of our security problems!!
When do we take any of the odd-ball people's demands for security standards in software seriously?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:14AM
And Runaway is guilty of transmitting Russian talking points and threatening liberals and American democracy. Sad.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:22AM
FTFY... The story helps to point out that Russia was the only honest and reliable source of news.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:50AM (12 children)
Yep, let's go back paper - we never had any good reason to leave. Convenience? Speedy results? The entire rest of the electoral system still rests on assumptions from a time when the pony express was the fasted means of communication, and there's some very real concerns as to how fast results may be warping people's voting patterns.
Security? Computer security is a joke when administered by non-experts, and we don't do half of the cheap and easy things we could do to radically improve the security of paper ballots - many of which would have close analogs when maintaining electronic voting security anyway.
There are some really interesting systems of voting that are far more practical with computers, but unless and until we decide to explore those options there's no reason to even consider bringing that kind of vulnerability to something so vital to democracy. The payout for subverting it is astronomical, while the effort to secure it is...bureaucratic at best. And I don't see any way to avoid that inevitable subversion in the world we currently live in.
And if we decide we really do want to explore some of the more computerized forms of voting? For Twain's sake let's not start with high-stakes state and federal elections on the line! It's basically just software - so release it freely and encourage schools, corporations, and community groups to use it for elections of all sorts - and encourage everyone to try to subvert it. Offer cash prizes to anyone who can prove they stole an election. Give it a serious thrashing and at *least* get all obvious bugs and vulnerabilities worked out before you bring it anywhere near the sort of power wielded by governments.
(Score: 2) by gtomorrow on Saturday July 27 2019, @03:45AM
Probably the most intelligent post I've read in a while, not only on this site but in general. Bravo.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:48PM (10 children)
The way to steal an election has always been to select the candidates.
Bernie was obviously the choice of the people, Hillary was the choice of the crooks and the public hates her, she "won" the nomination so the people stayed home on election day.
The R-party had degenerated over the years into a shitty version of "we stand for nothing other than running the democrat party platform from your parents generation". Plus a dose of neocons where 95%+ of Jews vote democrat so if we abandon all our principles and beliefs in dogmatic pandering to Israel maybe we could poll up to 10% or so of Jews while of course losing the support of everyone else. The pre-Trump R party was a complete shit show. Nobody wants to vote for those losers. So Trump starts stampeding thru the R-party noms and the shitty propaganda newsreaders on FOX are crying on the air, LOL.
You CAN cheat a coin toss using ultra high speed cameras and real time large scale computation hooked up to ultra high current low inductance electromagnets to control the spin of the coin in the air by inducing massive eddy currents as it spins so as to land on the selected side. Its a hell of a lot cheaper and simpler to declare you are gonna be "heads" and BTW we also selected a two-headed coin for the toss. Then keep the general public sedated with endless propaganda about how we invented the idea of having the fairest coin tosses on the planet and anyone who disagrees isn't devout enough and is evil for not blindly trusting except for when we tell you the Russians are using ESP to telekineticly mess with the coin toss.
I can't believe it, but at this time the front runner for the D party is creepy Biden, the guy with a million press photos of him fondling and feeling up young, very uncomfortable looking, women and girls. Yeah, I'm sure there won't be any memes about that, LOL. Honestly its like the enemies of the "D" party are in charge of the "D" party.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Gaaark on Saturday July 27 2019, @03:35PM (4 children)
Yeah, i don't get it: Biden is SUUUUPER creepy and so 'same ol same ol' that he's Hillary.
WHY are they bringing up another Hillary? So Trump can tweet "At least i don't grab underage pussy like Biden!"
Fuck... Biden will lose just as suredly as Hillary: mark the prediction.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:15PM (3 children)
Because fustakrakich is right, the two parties are extensions of corporate / oligarchy America. Biden is the new chosen one, I don't think Hillary was ever in the cards actually, they just needed someone to replace Sanders and even then they had to fuck with the primary.
Even if it means another 4 yesrs of Trump I won't vote Biden. That is saying something. Of course I'd prefer that conservatives support one of the actual (trigger warning) progressive candidates that want to actually help the average Joe.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:36PM (2 children)
I'm skeptical of the assertion that HRC was not the oligarchs' anointed one. If she wasn't, why did they bribe-launder via speaking fees (let's be honest -- nobody is going to drop wisdom of any value close to that amount in a private speech)? I think when entities are paying $X00,000 per hour for a short talk and photo op, they're serious about buying that candidate's loyalty.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @06:59PM (1 child)
And I'm skeptical you are not a shill.
I never said HRC was not a corporate political puppet, but dear lord if she doesn't come up EVERY time a valid point is made against conservative shit. The point of the two party system corruption is that both primary candidates are bought off, that is why Sanders was not allowed to make it to the ballot.
So, you self-aware masters of reality ready to support Sanders and improve the country? Or are you content with having a fascist conservative continue destroying the country as long as it gets your trollish rocks off?
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Monday July 29 2019, @12:40AM
You said that you aren't sure that HRC was ever actually the oligarchs' choice ("I don't think Hillary was ever in the cards actually, they just needed someone to replace Sanders"). I disagreed with that assertion and gave you a reason why I disagreed (in my view, she was "in the cards" because they wouldn't have bribe-laundered via speech fees as much as they did if they weren't serious about her"). Then you get all trollish. The state of conversation today is pretty abysmal.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @04:24PM (4 children)
Man -- how is that you get me nodding along with you and then make some random comment about Jews and turn it all into a WTF? moment. Most Jews (I am one) are like most other people -- we don't have any special political power, we're just trying to get by like anyone else. Jeff Bezos is incredibly powerful for example, but does that translate into power for some white working class stiff barely scraping by? Of course not. Obama is incredibly powerful but does that translate into power for some random black guy just scraping by? Of course not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:11PM (1 child)
He is a racist piece of shit. Doesn't mean he can't have an occasional good point, but when you see "VLM" you should bust out the salt shaker.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:49AM
Frankly, I don't think there is enough salt in the world to cover his offal. Just sayin'.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday July 28 2019, @04:32PM (1 child)
More of a strategy of identity politics thing
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-republicans/ [myjewishlearning.com]
I was off by about eight percent and it does vary ten or so percent decade by decade, but from a political strategy perspective, their votes and interests are essentially aligned single party with the D party in the USA.
Given existing alignment where the D party is the Jewish party and the Jews are essentially all supporters of the D party, the neocon era for the R party was pretty much the R party trying to abandon their groups interests in favor of pro-Israel policies to gain, maybe, an additional 20% of the Jewish vote at the cost of giving up on everything the -R party stood for and becoming merely a weak hawkish clone of the D party.
Its just not worth it. Google says there are about five million Jews in the USA, so by abandoning their base and kissing up to a group that in large will never vote for them anyway no matter what they do, the R party gained maybe half a million, maybe a million votes. At the cost of endless middle east wars and trying to start more, dissension in the ranks leading to the rise of Trump, etc. Its a very expensive way to buy 500K votes.
The black / Obama example is a good analogy, in that if 95% of blacks vote D party and always will vote and support D party no matter what anyone does or says, there's really nothing to be gained by abandoning R party ideals to pander to that identity politics group if essentially none of them are going to vote for you anyway and the numbers are too low to matter.
There's nothing you can do as an -R party politician to get votes from Detroit, so the most logical thing to do is ignore their issues completely and try to fight over the 53 percent of white women who voted for Trump. In the upcoming election all the sound bites and yelling and memes are going to be about both parties fighting over white woman voters, nobody (well, nobody who wants to win) is going to care or campaign on black or jew issues.
Honestly, if the Jews didn't control legacy media and finance, their issues would never get any political support. Can't really blame them for trying to take over legacy media, because given their intense political tendencies as a group, they would be completely marginalized and ignored if they didn't control hollywood and the music biz or whatever.
If you run identity politics, any group that votes about 0% or 100% for a party will have its issues marginalized into irrelevance. Theoretically if half the Jews or half the blacks voted for each party, their issues would get a heck of a lot more coverage, pandering, and maybe, action, than they get as pets of one party.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 28 2019, @07:05PM
Vile Lewd Man at it again!
Copypasta from a discussion about Trump's racist remarks, felt very fitting for one such as you.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Saturday July 27 2019, @03:07AM (1 child)
Man, i'd like to shake your hand. This is probably the best post i've ever read from you: insightful, impactful: SPOT ON!
They use systems which are prone to hacking and are surprised they're hacked.
They meddle in other countries and are surprised by other countries meddling.
They use a shitty operating system and are surprised it's shitty.
http://www.gifbin.com/983043 [gifbin.com]
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @07:01PM
I can't believe the corny ass companies they have working on these things. Diebold? Random technical services companies?
Microsoft has recently open sourced a voting system I'll be really happy if some people pour over that fucker and get it nice. I'm still not sold on electronic voting though.
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday July 27 2019, @03:39AM
A big part of the problem is that the sheeple are told it's complex technology being innovated by experts. Run along now, nothing to see here.
I would be _very_ _happy_ to be part of a citizens' watchdog / oversight / inspection task force.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:38PM (5 children)
No, they are not.
Based on your laws and precedents, those companies a first responsible to deliver value to their shareholders [google.com], which I assure you they did in a lawful way.
Blame the ones that bought those machines for being stupid and buying crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:57PM (4 children)
So, it's always "buyer beware", and never crosses over into fraud? So long as a corp is making money, everything is good?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:25PM (2 children)
There is that duplicitous runaway we know and love!!
I wish your brain could sort out your priorities. One minute you're outraged, the next you are defending the very same assholes. Brainwashing is bad, that is what talk radio has done, reprogrammed conservatives to be emotionally triggered by a host of topics.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 27 2019, @05:39PM (1 child)
You might get intimate with Danial Webster. He knows some words like "finesse" and "subtlety" that you are apparently not acquainted with. I might say something like, "Making money is good." And, you might believe that I think money is good in all circumstances. But, no, you would be wrong. What I meant was "Making money is good, assuming that I've made that money in an ethical, moral, and legal manner." Many, many CEO's and subordinate beings, such as Shkrelli, actually believe "Making money is good, under any circumstances, damn all ethics, morals, and damn whatever legalities we can dodge!"
I hope that I've helped you here.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 27 2019, @09:42PM
FTFY, Duplicitous Runaway!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 29 2019, @12:22AM
This is how the US laid their bed, yes.
Is it a Good Thing™? I very much doubt it, but for sure they did the lawful thing.
This is immediate consequence of money is speech [soylentnews.org].
(because "making speech" is always a good thing, right? (grin)
Would I like to live in such a society? Definitely not. The only issue is "can I avoid it"? (for the moment, I can and I hope to keep it this way until I die).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford