From The New York Times (archive):
Jeffrey E. Epstein, the wealthy financier who is accused of sex trafficking, had an unusual dream: He hoped to seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating women at his vast New Mexico ranch.
Mr. Epstein's vision reflected his longstanding fascination with what has become known as transhumanism: the science of improving the human population through technologies like genetic engineering and artificial intelligence. Critics have likened transhumanism to a modern-day version of eugenics, the discredited field of improving the human race through controlled breeding.
Mr. Epstein attracted a glittering array of prominent scientists. They included the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who discovered the quark; the theoretical physicist and best-selling author Stephen Hawking; the paleontologist and evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould; Oliver Sacks, the neurologist and best-selling author; George M. Church, a molecular engineer who has worked to identify genes that could be altered to create superior humans; and the M.I.T. theoretical physicist Frank Wilczek, a Nobel laureate.
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Lawrence Lessig sues New York Times over MIT and Jeffrey Epstein interview
Harvard Law professor Lawrence Lessig is suing The New York Times over an interview about the MIT Media Lab accepting money from sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Lessig's defamation suit covers a September 2019 article titled "A Harvard Professor Doubles Down: If You Take Epstein's Money, Do It in Secret." He claims the headline misrepresents his interview, where he condemns the donation, but says that "if you're going to take the money, you damn well better make it anonymous."
Lessig is the founder of Creative Commons and a longtime policy activist; he once ran for president on the promise to pass a single anti-corruption law and then resign. He's also a friend of former MIT Media Lab president Joichi Ito. When Ito admitted last year to secretly receiving around $800,000 from Epstein, Lessig signed a supportive letter and argued that accepting secret donations was better than publicly laundering a criminal's reputation — although he said taking Epstein's money at all was wrong in retrospect.
Times reporter Nellie Bowles interviewed Lessig about the donations and appeared unimpressed by his reasoning. "It is hard to defend soliciting donations from the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. But Lawrence Lessig, a Harvard Law professor, has been trying," she wrote in the article's opening paragraph. Lessig quickly dubbed the piece "clickbait defamation" by the Times. Now, he's turned that accusation into an actual defamation complaint and launched it with a full-fledged multimedia campaign, including a website called "Lessig v. Clickbait Defamation" and a related podcast.
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @01:51PM (4 children)
Hope he likes Bubba, his new sexy room mate.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 05 2019, @01:54PM (1 child)
I generally dislike prison rape humor - but I think Epstein is a prime deserving candidate.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday August 05 2019, @02:39PM
Let's keep hims afe until he testifies against every sketchy billionaire and politically connected asswipe he delivered child prostitutes to.
Since the actual events already indicate "prison murder by crooked ex cop" is more likely than "prison rape"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @02:04PM
His cell mate is an ex-cop accused of murdering 4 people and burying them in his backyard. And can you guess who that guy's prosecutor was? Maureen Comey. How do all these people know each other?
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Monday August 05 2019, @05:51PM
I hope he has multiple roommates. Of course, all of them should be named Bubba.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @02:06PM (26 children)
He might be worthy of some respect if he was helping to fund genetically engineered designer babies (article isn't clear on that). Fathering 20+ kids because "my genes are great" is just ego stroking, or an excuse to justify his harem project. Inherited advantages won't hold a candle to engineered advantages. The gene pool will become irrelevant.
Freezing his head and penis? That's funny. But cryonics is a long-shot bet of last resort. You become dependent on a facility running properly until extremely advanced medical technologies can be invented.
The prominence of Jaron Lanier in this article is also funny. Ben Goertzel made an appearance too.
Scientists and futurists are being criticized for latching onto a "transhumanist" pedo pay pig. But it's a better use of the money than another yacht.
Uh oh, this trait is shared with the President!
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday August 05 2019, @02:50PM (1 child)
Congratulations, your eugenics views are perfect to receive "evolutionary dynamics" research grants at harvard from the billionaire pedo. If you could hold your tongue for 30 seconds while he rants about impreganating women at his ranch, you could receive millions of dollars to write this garbage [plos.org], where you take a simplifying assumption from evolutionary biology, then hold it as an absolute mathematical truth, and derive bullshit conclusions about how to mind control populations.
Imagine just getting grant after grant to write that garbage?
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @03:45PM
We browsed Twitter.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @02:51PM (3 children)
Will they freeze his penis with liquid nitrogen while it is still attached?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @03:21PM (2 children)
I thought the cryonics options were: "freeze my entire body", or "freeze my head, because I'm (relatively) poor". He should be able to afford full body freeze.
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(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Tuesday August 06 2019, @03:43AM (1 child)
Freezing semen is a well-established procedure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 06 2019, @12:06PM
AKA Ice Cream
(Score: 3, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @03:12PM (14 children)
While I agree with you that genetic modification has the prospect for "advancing" humanity far more quickly than our old sloppy ways, I'm finding it hard to take issue with any person's claim that they want to propagate as many children as possible. IMVVVHO that's just hardwired genetics to ensure survival of the species from an individual perspective. That doesn't justify at all sexual contacts with minors, nor prostitution (regardless of whether one thinks prostitution should be a crime and not interested in arguing that today, this isn't a justifying argument for it), and certainly not rape. But that isn't mutually codependent with a desire to fill the world with one's children, either. Though in his case I can this all being interlinked in his pathology.
Did Epstein qualify as somebody who is regarded as successful, regardless of how one unpacks that? (Not in my book, sheer volume of money and resources isn't what defines success but for many it is). And despite claims of his overestimation of himself and taking that at face value, he still controlled more stuff in any given moment than I will accumulate in my lifetime. Why would someone not want the most successful individuals by percentage creating more children than the unsuccessful? Isn't that survival of the fittest in action? What was the line in The Devil's Advocate, "Your vanity, my boy, is justified." Of course, that was Satan trying to convince his progeny to embrace his cause of evil..... A contrary position would be akin to the character of Hartley Baldwin in Heinlein's stories Gulf and Friday and their attempt to improve humanity (plus the notions that geniuses make their own rules when it comes to sex), although whatever virtues Epstein had for making the world "better" are lost given his other proclivities.
Maybe this is a case illustrating an argument as to why no single individual should have the command of resources that Mr. Epstein did, lest one be given carte blanche to fulfill one's desires. Though I would notice that the notion (which may be jesting) that freezing one's penis would be a few centimeters and nearly two feet of internal tubing off for wanting to preserve male genetics. I'm not trying to justify Mr. Epstein nor what he did, only that wrapping up wanting to replicate one's genetic code as much as possible shouldn't be an idea to be shamed necessarily, within the constraints that we as society place upon ourselves.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 05 2019, @03:34PM (1 child)
You have a point. But, you seem to have forgotten that Jeffie likes his women very young. Does he prefer that they've reached puberty? I suppose so, if his goal is to breed them, but he doesn't want to waste time with two, or six, or twelve menstrual periods before diving in. And, how does economics play into all of his exploits? Do all those chicks dig him, or does he use his money to exploit them? How many has he "settled" with already? What about those who are disgusted by him? Does he just stuff them in a bag, have them delivered and chained in a room to wait for his attentions? What will the "settlements" be worth for women he has kidnapped and impregnated? Remember, he doesn't seem to waste a lot of time on old hags of 20 or older.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @06:20PM
I don't think I forgot it, really, because what I'm saying is that it it irrelevant. My point was that the argument of TFA shouldn't be judged on the merits of the person using them. (Nor should it be supported on those merits). And perhaps the argument shouldn't be supported at all.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @03:40PM (1 child)
I would be less inclined to criticize it if he offered a different justification (and I know we have to trust TFA on his beliefs since these are not direct quotes). Improving the gene pool is nonsense. Creating a large group of loyal subordinates who can do your bidding? Priceless. Having a lot of sex until your entire harem is impregnated? Indegerminate.
Apparently, his fortune became big, at least in part, because he was able to grift a billionaire.
How Jeffrey Epstein Used the Billionaire Behind Victoria’s Secret for Wealth and Women [nytimes.com]
You could indeed claim that selection is producing the perfect grifter assholes that rise to the top of society. Being able to smooth talk somebody could ensure your survival under dire circumstances. But there was probably a lot of upbringing and luck involved.
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(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @06:17PM
You make a good point that the argument cannot be a justification for what he did. And one should be suspicious of motives which appear altruistic but play into other motives which are self-motivated. I was mainly trying to note that the argument being used shouldn't be judged based on Epstein's alleged use of it.
Yeah, that's the problem when you use a word like "fittest". On an individual level that may mean those most likely to survive would most likely be those who know when to help someone strategically and also know when to stab them in the back. Not exactly the stuff I'd consider the best of humanity to be made from.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @04:08PM (5 children)
His goal, prima facie, was to propagate his DNA into the next generation. The claim that his DNA is superior to much of the rest of mankind is dubious, at best. If he was really interested in "improving" the human race through eugenics, then why wasn't he looking for girls that scored above 160 on an IQ test? For that matter, why wasn't he looking for other men who also scored 160+ on IQ tests to breed with those super-intelligent women? On its face, he was doing this merely because he wanted to fuck as many under-age girls as possible and felt that he could get away with it because of his money and connections. To suggest otherwise would be laughable except that, in this case, the results were just so tragic.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @05:21PM
But he is one of the Chosen People!
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @06:22PM (3 children)
Quite probably so. Which, QED, means that the concept doesn't apply to what he did, nor should it. So therefore an article uncritically stating this was his alleged motive (without doing the analysis that you just did) really doesn't provide information - it takes interpretation like that which you just did to reveal that this is kind of a non-story from the angle that the article is hitting, no?
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @07:34PM (2 children)
Well, OK, as far as that goes but I think something needs to be pointed out here. The vast majority of people who decide to take it in hand to "improve" the human race through eugenics almost invariably seem to believe that they are at the pinnacle of the evolutionary ladder and, thus, that it is essential that their genes be propagated into the next generation. No one ever seems to believe that propagating a superior race into the next generation should come at someone else's benefit and their own expense. Funny that, no? Now, why would that be? Could it possibly be that what they really are up to is devising clever sounding arguments to get advantage for themselves, even if it means stomping on all the rest of us to get ahead? I mean, it couldn't be that this is really just "I got mine, fuck all the rest of you", right? I don't think I have ever seen anyone call out that big elephant in the room.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @10:44PM (1 child)
No, that's a good point. "Uh, my genes aren't quite fit enough to move forward, but I still think that the Uberman needs to put theirs forward..." Someone who isn't in depression likely feels that they are a success by the definition that should be used to procreate.
Maybe Malcolm Reynolds was right instead.
;)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 06 2019, @12:46AM
For my part, I am all in favor of trying to make the next generation better. What I object to is the implicit assumption so many self-styled eugenicists make that "me first" is automatically going to make the next generation better. That is just plain arrogance. Even worse, it is pretty much always devastating to everyone involved.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Monday August 05 2019, @05:03PM (3 children)
Success is a funny metric. Someone who manages to get hundreds of elderly people suffering early dementia to hand over thousands of dollars each, leaving them in poverty, might be called "successful", but is that really something we as a society want to see more of? The guy who made a fortune on the Pet Rock was successful and a great deal less harmful, but was that really useful?
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @06:27PM (2 children)
True. Terms such as "success" and "fittest" are very elastic. One could suggest that success, genetically, would be assurance that the given species (or genes) continues forward. To a certain level of scale this means replication such that the pattern will not extinguish. Wealth and entertainment are elements that humanity uses (in part) to try and do that. But does there come a point when there are indeed enough people that, planet ending catastrophe notwithstanding, survival is assured and therefore propagation is no longer the most important condition?
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Monday August 05 2019, @07:11PM (1 child)
Many might argue that at this point we need LESS propagation if we are to maximize survival. That is, that we are in danger of becoming victims of our own success.
There are even decent arguments that many of the people we consider most "successful" using wealth as a metric are likely to precipitate that planet ending disaster in their pursuit of even more "success".
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @10:40PM
Agreed on both accounts.
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(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Monday August 05 2019, @06:00PM (1 child)
I would argue that the fact that he seems to only like sex with minors as proof that his genes are defective.
I am will to let these types of experiments happen... especially on Epstein. Provided they are done without any pain medication, while he is fully awake, and the penis should be done first so that he can have a lot of time to think about what a "pleasant" experience this was.
Of course, when finished, I abdicate that the storage facility runs out of power until the said specimens rot in hell.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 06 2019, @09:46AM
"But cryonics is a long-shot bet of last resort."
https://waitbutwhy.com/2016/03/cryonics.html [waitbutwhy.com]
(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday August 05 2019, @06:29PM (2 children)
No, if you are going after 13 year olds and you're over the age of 18 then you are a lecherous douchebag and that is the opposite of respect.
No amount of science-ing and 'being smart' or whatever he does can change that. (which he has actually failed to do unless somehow that is the big secret behind all of this)
"Discoverer of fountain of youth turns out to be huge douche"
There's an ursula le guin story right about the utopian society that requires only the total misery of a single child to function.
The fountain of youth is not a fountain of youth if to activate it you need to feed it people, that is a fountain of death in that case.
Or in Epsteins case, "The Fountain of Statutory Rape." And I think you're misguided if that's where you want to do business with in order to win your immortality. But I might be in the minority...although apparently the polling is tilted a different direction once net worth reaches 8 or so zeroes.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @06:38PM (1 child)
The article doesn't conflate his harem dream with alleged sex with minors, as far as I could tell, so I treated them as completely separate issues. It would be much harder to cover up his own live-in underage harem that are also bearing his children. Instead, minors are more likely to be trafficked from abroad, used, and then returned or disposed of.
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(Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 06 2019, @10:07AM
I agree that there is highly likely to be some sort of harem-like thing somewhere outside of the united states that we haven't heard of yet.
I mean if this is the stuff the public eventually learns about, imagine what the stuff is that they are actually managing to keep secret. The facts as presented make no sense whatsoever as they currently stand, there must be a lot more going on.
The point at which someone like me learns about your plans as a criminal mastermind or network of spies, is the point at which you should probably change careers. That he got as far as he did is clearly an expression more of wealth than skill. We will always be hunting down hidden eugenic harems of international megalomaniacs and their cults until we limit wealth.
Human rights and rule of law are inconsistent with billionaires, among other things.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by c0lo on Monday August 05 2019, @02:08PM (12 children)
Of course I am.
Fuck you NYT and the submitter's horse**, I won't.
** And, while at it, editor's ass... err, donkey for publishing a paywalled FA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @02:10PM (11 children)
Here, try this: http://archive.is/PwvR1 [archive.is]
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 05 2019, @02:23PM (7 children)
Curiouser and curiouser. "Server not found". Wadda...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @02:29PM
Works for me.
Tried NordVPN?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @02:29PM (1 child)
It's loading fine here. The only thing I can think of is to try it with https: https://archive.is/PwvR1 [archive.is] or change the domain: https://archive.fo/PwvR1 [archive.fo]
As for the actual NYT article, that shouldn't nag you if you have JavaScript disabled.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 05 2019, @02:43PM
Switched to google DNS and it's working fine.
Switched to 1.1.1.1 (cloudfare) and is failing.
Switched to 8.26.56.26 (comodo) and it's fine.
Wadda...?!? Did they just changed the DNS records and they didn't propagate yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @02:34PM (3 children)
You're just hoping to be Epstein's cellmate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @02:47PM (2 children)
Fuck off!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @03:15PM (1 child)
Yeah, you pegged it, that might be the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @04:16PM
"pegged it" haha
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 05 2019, @02:26PM (2 children)
That won't help you. c0lo likes ass, and he's looking at yours.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @02:30PM
I deny all responsibility for TFS, aside from the newly added archive link.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @02:32PM
I've heard she's takyon.
(Score: 2) by CZB on Monday August 05 2019, @02:36PM (3 children)
If his business was sex trafficking and blackmail, it makes sense to snag a bunch of notables in the science and futurism crowd.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by ikanreed on Monday August 05 2019, @02:53PM (2 children)
Oh! It's reallllllllllly worth noting that it's been conjectured that this article is a lie specifically handed by Steven Pinker(has lots of substantiated physical evidence of being one of Epstein's "associates") on the condition of anonymity to the Times, and the "lie" part specifically because Steven Jay Gould was fucking dead when this was alleged to have happened.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @03:29PM
Pedophilia, necrophilia, whatever your kink is. You can get it all on your vacation in Epseyland!
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Monday August 05 2019, @04:22PM
Wow, you are not kidding, the guy has been friends with Epstein since at least 2015
https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/552481664916803584 [twitter.com]
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by shortscreen on Monday August 05 2019, @02:45PM (2 children)
So we're supposed to believe that Epstein was just a nutter or an eccentric rich dude, nothing to see here, move along.
So where are all the children of Epstein's master race? Why were all would-be mothers teenagers? What was the point of all those big name visitors going to his island? Why did Acosta deliberately half-ass the prosecution and then say Epstein was an intel asset?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday August 05 2019, @06:07PM (1 child)
I found this article that actually tries to sweep all of the obvious lines of questioning completely away, it was just white male privilege and toxic male masculinity that oversexualizes young women:
https://archive.is/r3Uyv [archive.is]
If you look up that author, you will likely find a string of money changing hands all the way back to the man himself, but who knows what else? What does it take to get a woman to carry water for this guy? NYT after ignoring the story for a decade or so also found Forbes article and more talking him up like a superhero that must have been paid for through a personal PR consultant.
The whole arrest strikes me as a some sort of major power changing hands, for years he was protected then one day he wasn't needed anymore and could be hung out to dry. What changed? We know Wexner dumped him in November, but why?
That wexner and epstein are both jewish zionists and that epstein worked with Ehud Barak, who claims to be the most ignorant person in the world on the topic of epstein, is indicative. Anyone who does not mention this connection is telling you something very important about themselves and you should listen.
Epstein is after all a jewish person with direct ties to the israeli zionist spies who wants to replace humanity with his perfectly bred descendents and has been preying on white girls like some kind of literal vampire.
A million latinos stealing a million jobs do not cause as much trouble in the world as one Epstein. What Epstein represents, to me, is the arm of Israel that will overlook any moral failures so long as the victims are not Israeli, and so long as all of this chaos serves as a smoke screen for the next landgrabs and murders of civilians by soldiers. Weinstein fits this pattern. Zuckerberg fits this pattern. The casino moguls Adelson and Saban fit this pattern.
As an American, I am deeply insulted and betrayed by the police and military who should be protecting us from this crap, but who seem to allow even the most outright terrorism and crime if it is stamped with the blue star.
And here's a question for those same police and military: how many of those lower class 13 years old that Epstein seduced with hundies in Mara Lago were daughters of American soldiers who were deployed overseas? Or worse, were KIA and that's why they didn't have anyone looking after them.
I will never stop asking questions about Epstein. Never. (My beef is with Zionism, not Judaism so don't even start with the antisemitism/neonazi circus replies plx thx)
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 06 2019, @12:40AM
Yeah, there was a major power transition: Trump became president.
The people behind the MSM ran a campaign against his person every second of the day. Trouble is, DJT is a New York insider, pretty much a life long Democrat. And he saw a lot of shitty things. And now Trump and his confederates are going to shut down the Democrat's Fantasy Island.
His Jewishness had nothing to do with his crimes, and Ehud Barak just cared about the money. If you are rich and powerful enough, you can be immune from laws. Where their Jewishness matters is that the media heads will try to keep a lid on reporting their misdeeds, because that would be a "shanda fur di goyim": letting non-Jews see a Jew fuck up.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @03:09PM (5 children)
This is the genetic motivation of every man; to sow the wild oats far and wide.
We just don’t state it so crudely and publicly.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @03:16PM (1 child)
Nor have the resources to achieve it, generally.
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(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday August 05 2019, @04:09PM
Guess you never went to South Padre Island.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday August 05 2019, @03:54PM (2 children)
Maybe the genetic motivation, but sure as heck not the psychological motivation.
For parents: Imagine the annoyance caused by your own little twerps, multiplied by 100.
For non-parents with siblings: Remember how annoying your siblings were? Multiply that by 1000.
For non-parents without siblings: Remember how annoying you were as a little kid? Multiply that by 100,000.
And in all cases, you also now are being hounded by every ex you've ever had.
I've always thought the guys that think they want 15 chicks at the same time have no idea what that would really involve, either because they're incel-types, or because they're thinking that they'd only get the fun parts of that. Nope, that's not how that actually ends up working, ever.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Monday August 05 2019, @04:15PM
Yes, that is very true. For the aftermath, though, Epstein likely had his lawyers and assistants deal with it.
In flagrante delicto, two at once is the most a guy would want in practice, because beyond that it's just a lot of work.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 05 2019, @06:30PM
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(Score: 2) by inertnet on Monday August 05 2019, @03:18PM
If he ever did get to accomplish his goal, the gene pool must have gotten darker as a result.
Funny that he apparently didn't realize that future generations wouldn't benefit from more sexual predators among them.
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Monday August 05 2019, @03:27PM (1 child)
It doesn't matter how hard a few "intelligent" people try. The vast number of drooling, brainless, idiots out there reproduce like rats, and will forever dominate the world.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday August 06 2019, @02:35PM
So true. Witness the progress of socialism, progressivism, and extreme liberalism.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Monday August 05 2019, @04:20PM
See, this is why those billions of dollars are wasted on fools like Epstein. If it were me and wanted to have all those kids, I'd train them to be ninjas or super spies at a secret base in Antarctica and send them on missions.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Monday August 05 2019, @04:25PM
I'm still waiting for the feds to mass-arrest all the people Epstein hosted at his island for orgies with children. Apparently he kept records and video-taped everything, all of which the feds have been able to get their hands on through this investigation.
That they haven't yet means either they're waiting for an opportune moment to do so, or that they're effectively taking over the blackmail operation Epstein was running and will use it to consolidate or grow their own power.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Hartree on Monday August 05 2019, @04:32PM (2 children)
Ok. I've been following the Transhumanism lists like Extropians and others since the early 1990s. What does his lame ass fantasy of impregnating all the women have to do with >H other than just making for nice clickbait?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 05 2019, @04:56PM (1 child)
He embraced the most obvious and fundamental of transhumanist ideas, like biological immortality (at least cryonics according to the article), had some of the transhumanist crowd hanging around him looking for that handout, and funded Humanity+:
There might be more specifics out there somewhere than this NYT article provides, that could clarify the beliefs of Epstein and his connections with the community.
As an aside, I remember the H+ Magazine website [hplusmagazine.com] being pretty active years ago, as in daily content, but now it seems to put out an article only once every few months. And the RSS feed is borked, along with other parts of the site [hplusmagazine.com]. What happened?
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(Score: 2) by Hartree on Monday August 05 2019, @07:29PM
My point was that the summary seemed to be implying a link between >H and his desire to top all the hens, so to speak. The latter seems to me to be very standard base human rather than terribly forward looking.
As to those gathering round him, if you smear enough honey around it'll attract all sorts of things. Money is the same way and it can cover some other rather unpleasant smells.
Interesting that he was talking genetics at a gravity conference. Speaks to a bit of single mindedness. (Impregnation fetish, anyone?)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday August 05 2019, @04:57PM
We shouldn't be giving this guy any attention except that for prosecution.
Let's try to contain his DNA, as if that makes a damn bit of difference.
These "scientists" sound more like frankensteins.
Let's just put him away and forget about him.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 05 2019, @07:48PM
Dutch fertility doctor used own sperm to father 49 children, DNA tests show [bbc.com].
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday August 05 2019, @10:26PM
This gives us some insight into his thought processes though. The man has a God complex.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 06 2019, @01:10AM (1 child)
There are definitely some names and associations in this article that leads credence to the evil genius conspiracy theories floating online the past decade; that the elites, want to use technology and science to ascend and control the future of the human race. It's not like the Chinese aren't doing the same in a mostly separate group of names and associations, but it's scary the amount of power these people have. All it's going to take is a cabal of psychopaths like Epstein getting the key to a large and vast power structure and we're most likely screwed for as long as we don't burn out resources and they retreat to their protected retreats.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 06 2019, @12:27PM
Sounds like a nice plot for a preapocallyptic video game. At the same time it will serve as a explicit warning for the world.