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posted by janrinok on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:22AM   Printer-friendly
from the can-you-hear-me-now? dept.

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We have spotted 8 more mysterious repeating radio bursts from space

Weird blasts from space called fast radio bursts are some of the most mysterious phenomena in the universe, and now astronomers have spotted eight new and particularly unusual ones, including one that may be the closest we've ever seen.

Fast radio bursts (FRBs) are flashes of radio waves that come from distant space and last just a few milliseconds. Many hypotheses have been put forward about what may be causing them, but none of them is a perfect fit.

What makes that even more difficult is that there seem to be two types of FRBs: bursts that happen just once, and bursts that repeat many times from the same spot in space. Up until now, we had only detected two so-called repeaters, but the Canadian Hydrogen Intensity Mapping Experiment (CHIME) has found eight more.

Finding repeaters is important because they are much easier to study than bursts that only occur once. "Repeaters are nice because you can follow them up and observe the source for a long time and see if there are any changes, which can give us clues about what the emission mechanism could be," says CHIME team member Shriharsh Tendulkar at McGill University in Montreal.

That's why the first repeater, FRB 121102, was also the first FRB that we tracked back to its home galaxy. Most of the ideas we have to explain repeaters are based on FRB 121102, but these new ones seem to be different. Their radio waves do not show signs of being scrambled by a turbulent environment like the first repeater. Also, FRB 121102 sits in the same spot as another source of radio waves that glows constantly, whereas none of the newly discovered repeating signals do.

"This demonstrates that there is a vast diversity even in what the repeaters are," says Tendulkar. "Maybe some of them are older, some of them have stronger magnetic fields, they're in different environments." It has been suggested that repeaters and non-repeaters may have different origins, but maybe there are a multitude of ways to produce FRBs instead of just two.

Reference:arxiv.org/abs/1908.03507


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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:24AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:24AM (#883369)

    They talk fast.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:38AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:38AM (#883379)

      I never even knew Musk and Zuckerberg [genesiustimes.com] were related.

      • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:21AM

        by Sulla (5173) on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:21AM (#883465) Journal

        Musk eems a little afraid of AI, makes sense if he is of the same people that built Zuck

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Gaaark on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:28AM (10 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:28AM (#883372) Journal

    Beacons for aliens to triangulate.

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    • (Score: 2) by black6host on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:34AM (4 children)

      by black6host (3827) on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:34AM (#883378) Journal

      Allrighty then!!!! I'm ready for some Donkey Kong!!! Sorry, just finished watching the movie Pixels with my boy :)

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:48AM (3 children)

        by Gaaark (41) on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:48AM (#883385) Journal

        Haven't seen it!
        Watched the Dora movie with my son: first half was good. Chock-full of Dora-isms. After that it was all plot resolution and not as "fun".

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:03AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:03AM (#883392)

          Well, anything with Adam Sandlers in it has a good chance of appealing to a young boy, lol. Lots of old school video game references. Amazingly my son picked up on many of them!

        • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday August 22 2019, @05:15AM (1 child)

          by mhajicek (51) on Thursday August 22 2019, @05:15AM (#883477)

          Check out the live action Dora by College Humor on YouTube.

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          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:21PM

            by Gaaark (41) on Thursday August 22 2019, @12:21PM (#883576) Journal

            Been there, done that!
            I'm guessing that's why the movie used a cartoon fox, which seemed kind of out of place in the movie: might be construed as a 'copyright violation'? Their lawyers might have said, "Maybe you shouldn't use a person for Swiper"?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:08AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:08AM (#883397)

      FTL points. Whether some form of spatial jump, wormhole, or fixed emplacement jumpgate. the close together bursts are groups of ships, the single bursts are either exploratory vessels, return traffic after a gate is built, or low traffic jump points.

      The alternative of course is that they are just some weird interstellar phenomena, ranging from stars reacting to other space-time events we are not clearly aware of, to semi-sentient transmissions between stars used to communicate as part of a larger network.

      Alien navigation beacons might not be that far off either, but only if either a peaceful confederation exists, or an individual species is colonizing the stars and believes itself alone. Otherwise any sane sufficiently advanced starfaring species would have more common sense than to advertise itself in case an unknown alien species used their own beacons to track them and exterminate/invade them.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @03:58AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @03:58AM (#883458)

        Why would sufficiently advanced FTL capable people use primitive lightspeed radio for navigation? That would be like choosing RFC 1149 IP over Avian Carriers for your home internet connection.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @07:24AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @07:24AM (#883503)

          A sci-fi wormhole type system would enable 'faster than light' travel without actually being perceived as going faster than light since you are effectively reducing the perceived distances, not increasing your perceived speed. The point of this is that it may ultimately not be possible for anything to propagate faster than the speed of light, and so beacons that propagate at the speed of light would be as good as it gets.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:51AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:51AM (#883409)

      Do not respond!! do not respond!!! do not respond....

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @10:55AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @10:55AM (#883552)

      Alcubierre warp drive [wikipedia.org] termination beams released when the bubble decelerates from superluminal speed.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:07AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:07AM (#883396)

    Clearly not intelligent communication, then. Only morons repeat themselves like that. Duh.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:12PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:12PM (#883590)

      Monitoring outbursts from Trump?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:29AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:29AM (#883404)

    Maybe the signals are aliens repeating our own language back to us: intercepted 1990s techno.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @02:20AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @02:20AM (#883430)

      The signals are coming from billions of light years away so thats not possible. Also the signals are coming from a very strong source as powerful as a star, unlikely to be artificial. Likely its just some star related emission that we don't understand.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:03AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:03AM (#883459)

        It was a joke, man.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:06AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:06AM (#883461)

          Our first signal into space was Hitler, man. The aliens are Nazis who are telling us they made the universe great again by killing all the space Jews.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @10:46AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @10:46AM (#883547)

            Our first signal into space was Hitler, man.

            Ah, what the hell....nope,
            Tesla (of course...) Marconi and others flagged our existence to anyone listening long before Hitler, even if you wanted to restrict it to TV signals, then Baird's experiments again came first...

            Alien Nazis?, I'm more worried about the Interstellar Pigeon Invasion Fleet on their way to answer Tesla's hails...

            • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:48PM

              by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 22 2019, @04:48PM (#883700)

              Tesla (of course...) Marconi and others flagged our existence to anyone listening long before Hitler, even if you wanted to restrict it to TV signals, then Baird's experiments again came first...

              The 1936 Olympic Games broadcast was the first one transmitted with sufficient power to escape Earth's atmosphere. Unless you're assuming UFOs mean the aliens were already on Earth with listening equipment...but in that case why are we even having this conversation, because they'd've been watching everything already?

              https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/09/will-hitler-be-the-first-person-that-aliens-see.html [realclearscience.com]

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @07:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @07:14AM (#883501)

        These bursts are vastly more energetic than an average star. A millisecond long fast radio burst is driven by as much energy as the entire sun generates in 80 years. [space.com] Keep in mind the orders of magnitude we're speaking of there. That's 1 millisecond versus 80 years from a [relatively] tiny source region. Whatever is powering them is far beyond the capabilities of an average star. That's why the suspects including things like black holes, or little green men.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 22 2019, @01:24PM (#883599)

      I still can't believe nobody gets the joke.
      When I said "techno", I meant the music genre.
      I guess the crowd that reads this type of article was never into that.

  • (Score: 2) by donkeyhotay on Thursday August 22 2019, @06:33PM

    by donkeyhotay (2540) on Thursday August 22 2019, @06:33PM (#883754)

    BESURETODRINKYOUROVALTINE

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