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posted by martyb on Monday September 09 2019, @02:59AM   Printer-friendly
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Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

When Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez refers to immigrant detention centers as "concentration camps," or President Trump calls immigrants "illegals," they may take some heat for being politically incorrect. But using politically incorrect speech brings some benefits: It's a powerful way to appear authentic.

Researchers at Berkeley Haas [School of Business] found that replacing even a single politically correct word or phrase with a politically incorrect one—"illegal" versus "undocumented" immigrants, for example—makes people view a speaker as more authentic and less likely to be swayed by others.

"The cost of political incorrectness is that the speaker seems less warm, but they also appear less strategic and more 'real,'" says Asst. Prof. Juliana Schroeder, co-author of the paper, which includes nine experiments with almost 5,000 people and is forthcoming in The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. "The result may be that people may feel less hesitant in following politically incorrect leaders because they appear more committed to their beliefs."

Although politically correct speech is more often defended by liberals and derided by conservatives, the researchers also found there's nothing inherently partisan about the concept. In fact, conservatives are just as likely to be offended by politically incorrect speech when it's used to describe groups they care about, such as evangelicals or poor whites.

"Political incorrectness is frequently applied toward groups that liberals tend to feel more sympathy towards, such as immigrants or LGBTQ individuals, so liberals tend to view it negatively and conservatives tend to think it's authentic," says Berkeley Haas Ph.D. candidate Michael Rosenblum, the lead author of the paper (the third co-author is Francesca Gino of Harvard Business School). "But we found that the opposite can be true when such language is applied to groups that conservatives feel sympathy for—like using words such as 'bible thumper' or 'redneck'."

[...]Although President Trump's wildly politically incorrect statements seem to make him more popular in certain circles, copycat politicians should take heed. The researchers found that politically incorrect statements make a person appear significantly colder, and because they appear more convinced of their beliefs, they may also appear less willing to engage in crucial political dialogue.


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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by ilPapa on Monday September 09 2019, @03:13AM (1 child)

    by ilPapa (2366) on Monday September 09 2019, @03:13AM (#891517) Journal

    It's a powerful way to appear authentic.

    You think this would work for the president's hair?

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    You are still welcome on my lawn.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:30AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:30AM (#891522)

      No, he uses Ronco's GLH9. It's Pocko approved.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by ilPapa on Monday September 09 2019, @03:18AM (2 children)

    by ilPapa (2366) on Monday September 09 2019, @03:18AM (#891520) Journal

    In fact, conservatives are just as likely to be offended by politically incorrect speech when it's used to describe groups they care about, such as evangelicals or poor whites.

    If you ever want to see "conservative" political correctness in its purest form, just criticize the government of Israel in the mildest of terms and see what happens.

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    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:31AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:31AM (#891523)

      The government of israel is run by jews, niggers, and nigger jews.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday September 09 2019, @05:46PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday September 09 2019, @05:46PM (#891764) Journal

      There are several examples of the conservatives getting triggered and modding down political incorrectness in this very thread!

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 09 2019, @03:39AM (31 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 09 2019, @03:39AM (#891527) Homepage Journal

    A more accurate way of saying it would be "people don't like voting for liars and political correctness makes you sound like a liar". Changing what you call something doesn't change what it actually is, it just makes you sound like you're willfully avoiding the truth and you think we're stupid enough to buy it.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @04:13AM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @04:13AM (#891535)

      Political correctness is ass-kissing for the snowflake votes. Way back when I was a kid (1960s) we openly called the undocumented immigrants crossing through our back yard "wetbacks". Even in the 1970s they were openly called "beaners". Blame it on the SJW snowflakes.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Booga1 on Monday September 09 2019, @04:38AM (1 child)

        by Booga1 (6333) on Monday September 09 2019, @04:38AM (#891545)

        That comment makes me I wish I could mod it both flamebait and informative at the same time.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @05:02AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @05:02AM (#891553)

          Know exactly what you mean...

          Today's politicians are like lukewarm beer.

          Here's Jesus's take on it:

          Revelation 3:16
          “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”

          King James Version (KJV)

      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @08:06AM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @08:06AM (#891581)

        And we rightly and politically correctly call you a racist asshole who mostly likely is a racist Repubulican asshole, but around here, we call an asshole an asshole. You got a problem with that, you racist asshole? (Said very politely, while engaging in open-anti-racist-open carry. Some call us "antifa", some call us "Americans")

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @08:42AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @08:42AM (#891589)

          Call it what you want - you're a racist yourself if you're antifa trash.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @09:05AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @09:05AM (#891596)

            No, antifa is anti-racist, as well. Or are you a cracker white asshole we ought to string up as an example to all the other uppity white surpremacists? Oh, how it hurts to have the shoe on the other foot, you racist honky!

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:26PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:26PM (#891712)

              It's funny that you idiots call me racist/white supremacist for using the words wetback and beaner when one of my ancestors was a freed slave, another related to Tecumseh, another related to Lincoln, and that I dated a Latino.
              Shove your SJW up your political correct rear access orifice.

              • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Monday September 09 2019, @05:44PM

                by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday September 09 2019, @05:44PM (#891761) Journal

                Or, maybe it's because you're assuming they're undocumented because they look hispanic.

                The actions of your grandparents has no bearing on weather you're a racist or not.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday September 09 2019, @05:42PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday September 09 2019, @05:42PM (#891756) Journal

          -1: Flamebait

          And we rightly and politically correctly call you a racist asshole who mostly likely is a racist Repubulican asshole, but around here, we call an asshole an asshole. You got a problem with that, you racist asshole? (Said very politely, while engaging in open-anti-racist-open carry. Some call us "antifa", some call us "Americans")

          And look at those conservative snowflakes censoring this politically incorrect statement!

          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday September 10 2019, @05:32AM

            by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday September 10 2019, @05:32AM (#892085) Homepage

            Everyone here has the same number of mod points, ready to spend every day, at a rate of one per comment. If you don't agree with a comment's downmods, mod it back up. If it's still modded down, maybe you're outnumbered.

            --
            And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @02:16PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @02:16PM (#891687)

        And one possible conclusion one might get from the article is that political incorrectness is ass-kissing for the fearful votes who want to give their will over to the "strong man" who will save them. When you were a kid black folks couldn't attend white universities and the white power movement was as nicely open as it is sadly becoming again today. So I think I'll blame it on the Rednecks and the Sheets.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday September 09 2019, @04:19AM (15 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @04:19AM (#891539) Journal

      Changing what you call something doesn't change what it actually is, it just makes you sound like you're willfully avoiding the truth and you think we're stupid enough to buy it.

      Meh, a cultural weakness.
      You** aren't well prepared to listen, 'cause see, listening takes time. And you don't have time, you need to chase your millions and escape your embarrassment. (grin)

      ---

      This is the "impersonal you" as in "you, the Americans".
      TMB seems to be a notable exception to the "American dreamer" pattern, in particular he seems to be content with what he already has and to just go fishing. But he isn't prepared to listen either, 'cause:
      1. he believes he knows better ...
      2. ...listening takes time and this time is just wasted fishing time.

      (large grin)

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @08:08AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @08:08AM (#891582)

        TMB is a Chickasaw. Can't argue with them. Chicksaws, that is.

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 09 2019, @10:22AM (6 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 09 2019, @10:22AM (#891614) Homepage Journal

          Sure you can, you just can't win.

          --
          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:54AM (4 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 10 2019, @12:54AM (#891965) Journal

            Unless the Chickasaw you are arguing is a woman, there's no point to argue with in the first place (their heredity rights are matrilineal).

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:30AM (3 children)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:30AM (#891989) Homepage Journal

              You can't win an argument with any woman though, so that's redundant.

              --
              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:00AM (2 children)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:00AM (#892002) Journal

                You can't win an argument with any woman though

                True.

                ... so that's redundant.

                Far from it.
                The conclusion is: it's pointless to argue with TMB.
                1. Would he be a woman, it is pointless to argue because you aren't gonna ever be winning an argument with a women.
                2. Since TMB is a Chickasaw man, it is pointless to argue with him again, because in Chickasaw culture - bottom line - only the women have the power.

                PS: you should realize by now I'm not arguing with you (why! this would be absolutely pointless!), just informing you about the absolute reality [soylentnews.org] of your culture [soylentnews.org] (large grin)

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                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
                • (Score: 4, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:16AM (1 child)

                  by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:16AM (#892011) Homepage Journal

                  My culture's what I say it is, same as everyone else's. I ain't putting on a loincloth and dancing around with feathers on just cause you palefaces think I oughta cause we did many long times ago. I might, mind you, but I'd be doing it for a laugh rather than taking myself seriously.

                  --
                  My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:27AM

                    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:27AM (#892018) Journal

                    I might, mind you, but I'd be doing it for a laugh rather than taking myself seriously.

                    I'm glad you didn't lose the ability to not take it yourself seriously.
                    Now, if you just could exercise it more (like... all the time, in fact)... you'd be no different in this regards from any of us, the Soylenters. (large grin)

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                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday September 10 2019, @05:35AM

            by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday September 10 2019, @05:35AM (#892086) Homepage

            Initially misread that as "TMB is a chainsaw". Didn't change the meaning one whit. :D

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 09 2019, @10:28AM (6 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 09 2019, @10:28AM (#891615) Homepage Journal

        Being able to tell the difference between the truth and someone pandering for votes is a cultural weakness? Well, yes, I suppose it would be if you're looking for a society with a ruling political class that doesn't like being questioned. We see it as a societal benefit though since that is not generally our goal.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday September 09 2019, @05:49PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday September 09 2019, @05:49PM (#891766) Journal

          Being able to tell the difference between the truth and someone pandering for votes is a cultural weakness?

          That cuts both ways, though. Trump panders for the racist vote all the time.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday September 09 2019, @09:22PM (4 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @09:22PM (#891873) Journal

          Being able to tell the difference between the truth and someone pandering for votes is a cultural weakness?

          Being able to tell your truth? Yes, that's appreciated as your contribution on S/N.
          Pretending you are able to tell The Truth? You are delusional.

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 09 2019, @09:51PM (3 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 09 2019, @09:51PM (#891885) Homepage Journal

            Oh my silly postmodernist, there are absolute truths out there that will one day bite you squarely in the ass if you ignore or deny them.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday September 09 2019, @10:26PM (2 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @10:26PM (#891913) Journal

              there are absolute truths out there that will one day bite you squarely in the ass if you ignore or deny them.

              I don't ignore or deny the existence of reality, I'm just sure that you are not able to perceive it as it is, much less to express it in writing.
              (as it might be the collateral damage caused to you by the use of Perl in the service of S/N, I get to appreciate your sacrifice; but I can't ignore it - large grin)

              --
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:34AM (1 child)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 10 2019, @01:34AM (#891992) Homepage Journal

                There probably is something to be said about my mental state in relation to perl coding. I mean, if you can read most anything written by people who were undoubtedly on lots of drugs and in a language whose unofficial motto is "there's always another way to do it" then you've probably got way too much going on in the way of apprehension to be tolerated by folks who rely on the cartoon ostrich method of dealing with life.

                --
                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:12AM

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 10 2019, @02:12AM (#892008) Journal

                  Yes, TMB, I can understand* why you are the way you are. I'm even able to empathize** with you, within reasonable*** limits.

                  Mind you, the absolute reality of about the above: it simply doesn't mean that I have to accept it anytime, and even less every-time.

                  (grin)

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                  * as in the rational type of understanding...
                  ** ... and that's the emotional type of understanding, the "I feel for you" kind
                  *** reasonable - as in "pertaining to reason"

                  (large grin)

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                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday September 09 2019, @02:09PM (3 children)

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday September 09 2019, @02:09PM (#891685) Journal

      Yeah but the road the study is headed down, correctly in my humble opinion, is that people (collectively) are in fact often stupid enough to buy it. (And I can see places occasionally where I do as well.)

      --
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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 09 2019, @04:15PM (2 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 09 2019, @04:15PM (#891733) Homepage Journal

        Nah, they don't really buy it. They pretend they do, maybe even almost convince themselves they do, so they can shortcut to irrational hate against anyone from another tribe. Having a quick out against anyone violating your language rules is just another way to keep from having to defend the merits of your position.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday September 09 2019, @06:28PM (1 child)

          by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday September 09 2019, @06:28PM (#891787) Journal

          Maybe. But then I've known a bunch of people who are pretty perfect at their acting jobs. And they didn't seem like that good of an actor to me.

          --
          This sig for rent.
          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 09 2019, @08:53PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 09 2019, @08:53PM (#891863) Homepage Journal

            It's like the NSA spying on everything you say or do over a wire. We don't exactly forget it so much as push it out of our minds in order to keep from having to grab up the pitchforks and torches. They need to behave in such a manner as to make others think they take it seriously and push the fact that it's pandering bullshit off to the side in order to do so.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday September 09 2019, @04:08AM (9 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @04:08AM (#891534) Journal

    Hmm... when does it stop being just "incorrect" and starts being distorting, inflammatory and polarizing, with all the noxious consequences this brings on?

    US society is already polarized and thus, for someone, maybe it doesn't matter if it is "just a bit lying" about the other when it fits with the someone's bias - this can be an explanation for the "appears as real" appeal.
    The problem is: accepting a distortion and seeing it become "the norm" introduces a positive feedback and reinforces the polarisation.
    And jumping into your fellow American neck** is a stupid choice to take, makes your international competitors so easy to subvert your efforts - just a little nudge and you'll waste yourself in senseless fights.
    Example: "OMG, Zie Russians influence our election". Well, it was you that let, nay, helped them do that, don't fault them for trying and maybe scoring some successes.

    --

    ** let the positive feedback running a bit longer and you will get to literally do it. The weaker [wikipedia.org] started [wikipedia.org] to crack [wikipedia.org].

    PS most of you already know, but just in case you don't: I have no skin in your game, I'm living in Australia, so don't waste your time with whataboutism or building strawmen. This is how I see it from afar

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 09 2019, @08:49AM (6 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @08:49AM (#891591) Journal

      Now, THAT is insightful. There have been "politically correct" slogans throughout US history. "Millions for defense, not one dime for appeasement!" "Remember the Alamo" "Remember the Maine!" "Loose lips sink ships!"

      The term, "politically correct", however came to us from the Soviet. It is their term, and we have adopted it since. Politically correct talk is basically propaganda, used to manipulate the masses.

      Wouldn't it be great, if we could just drop all the politically correct bullshit, and begin addressing issues? Oh - but politicians can't allow that! If Americans began to address real issues, they would find compromises, and work things out, and half (or more) of all of our issues would become non-issues within several months, or a few years.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @09:09AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @09:09AM (#891598)

        Fuch you, Runaway! Me and my liberal kin are gonna wage a vendetta on you and yourn! It's a blood feud! You called it, as Azuma Hazuki has reposted lo these many times. And NOW you want peace and compromise? Too late, my hillbilly friend. You are toast. We will give you a decent burial, if that helps at all.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 09 2019, @09:12AM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @09:12AM (#891600) Journal

          Yes, I called it. Your new left is a bloodthirsty bunch, intent on civil war. Molon labe, little bitch. But, you won't bring it, will you? You're waiting for me to die of old age, because you know it would take you and a hundred of your brethren to bring the old bastard down.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @04:16PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @04:16PM (#891734)

            Yes, I called it. Your new left is a bloodthirsty bunch, intent on civil war. Molon labe, little bitch.

            The. Irony. Is. Astounding.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @05:00PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @05:00PM (#891744)

            Your brain is dead. Were just waiting for the rest of you to go.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Freeman on Monday September 09 2019, @03:03PM

        by Freeman (732) on Monday September 09 2019, @03:03PM (#891698) Journal

        While, I don't like or use "politically correct" terms, partly, because I don't care to keep up with them all. I do try to use non-inflammatory speech and/or derogatory terms, when interacting with people. Going around and calling people Niggers, Crackers, or some other equally derogatory term; won't help communicate anything other than the fact that, whomever is using said term, sure doesn't seem to respect people.

        --
        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by krishnoid on Monday September 09 2019, @08:57AM (1 child)

      by krishnoid (1156) on Monday September 09 2019, @08:57AM (#891595)

      Hmm... when does it stop being just "incorrect" and starts being distorting, inflammatory and polarizing, with all the noxious consequences this brings on?

      Ethanol-Fueled: Hold my drink. <knuckle-crack>

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday September 09 2019, @09:24PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @09:24PM (#891875) Journal

        EF is well beyond that limit, it's safe to have a go.

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @04:46AM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @04:46AM (#891546)

    Political correctness is 100% a phenomenon of the left. "Redneck" isn't equivalent to "illegal immigrant", it's equivalent to "wetback." One is a neutral, descriptive term that the left desperately wants to get rid of because it's embarrassing that they're supporting something that is illegal and dangerous, and the other is an outright slur.

    But it's not surprising that leftist academics (this study is from Berkeley) either can't tell the difference or are deliberately obscuring it, because political correctness goes hand in hand with dishonesty.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @05:31AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @05:31AM (#891557)

      It's only okay when my team does it!

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by aristarchus on Monday September 09 2019, @08:20AM (5 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Monday September 09 2019, @08:20AM (#891585) Journal

      Au contraire mes amis! Political Correctness is 100% the invention of the Right, just so that they can claim to be politically incorrect, or, that is to say, rude, racist, misogynist, fascist, and basically Republican. "Politically incorrect" means socially rude, factually incorrect, and just being a dick. That is all it is. And the fantasy that there is something called "Politically Correct" is only a justification to be all of these things, mostly a dick.

      "Redneck", as Runaway well knows, applies to those who trim their locks too short, and so suffer sunburn upon their necks. It is only coincidence that short hair and rightwing nutjob thinking coincide as much as they do. But, they do. So do not be surprised, since "political incorrectness" and lying go hand in hand. You know, it may be politically incorrect, but I gotta say, white people are really stupid and gullible! No wonder we don't have white supremacy, since the whites who believe in white supremacy are all so inferior! Just saying! Facts, not political correctness!

      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 09 2019, @08:55AM (4 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @08:55AM (#891594) Journal

        Why would you post such a lie? Political correctness came directly to the US from the Soviet. The left invented it, the left transported it to the US. The right has been scoffing at the concept for decades. As I noted above, the US right has kinda flirted with the concept of politically correct propaganda since the birth of the US. Propaganda blurbs are "politically correct" within their time, and within their context. "Don't tread on me!"

        Dude, you're treading all over me when you make up this sort of lie. All you're doing is villianizing the right, to take attention away from the villiany of the left.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday September 09 2019, @09:17AM (3 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Monday September 09 2019, @09:17AM (#891601) Journal

          Runaway, Runaway, Runaway! You are out of your depth. You have no idea what you are dealing with. You watch Fox News? Good place to start. Analyse, investigate, see how the coverage moves you and other idiotic Arkansawsians to be bat-shit fucking stupid!!! Look at it, man! It is staring you in the face! You have been bamboozled! You have been lied to! You are putty in the hands of the Right wing media! They made you hate the Clintons, when you had no good reason to. Are you this gullible? Are you this stupid? Propaganda campaigns have had their day, like during Vietnam, or on the wind up to the illegal aggressive war against Iraq, but why would you not recognize its origins in the Third Reich? You are being conned by Nazis, Runaway! I beg you, come back to America! Be on our side, again!

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 09 2019, @09:28AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @09:28AM (#891604) Journal

            You are out of your depth.

            You keep telling me that. Proof?

            You watch Fox News?

            I keep telling you that I don't. You don't listen.

            bat-shit fucking stupid

            Even if that were true, I suspect it might be better than bat-fuck crazy, like progressives.

            They made you hate the Clintons

            Not at all. I hate the Clintons for very much the same reason I hated Jack Kennedy, and his lowlife scummy son, Ted. Jack got a lot of good people killed, so that he could get rich. Ted actually killed an inconvenient lover. JFK and Bobby were the black sheep of their family, because the possessed humanity and compassion for their fellow man. The Clintons have no black sheep in their family - no one of them understands humanity.

            Propaganda campaigns have had their day,

            Yeah, they have. Does that mean you're going to drop your own propaganda campaigns against Americans? I'd love to see it. You can do it - you can treat conservatives with respect. You might even get some respect in return. Try it.

          • (Score: 1) by PlasticCogLiquid on Monday September 09 2019, @03:21PM (1 child)

            by PlasticCogLiquid (3669) on Monday September 09 2019, @03:21PM (#891708)

            You sound rabbid, get that checked out dude.

            • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Monday September 09 2019, @04:18PM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Monday September 09 2019, @04:18PM (#891737) Journal

              And you sound ranccid. You should get that spell-checked out, srude!

    • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Monday September 09 2019, @09:22AM (1 child)

      by Magic Oddball (3847) on Monday September 09 2019, @09:22AM (#891603) Journal

      "Redneck" isn't equivalent to "illegal immigrant", it's equivalent to "wetback."

      It's not equivalent to either term — it specifically refers to the poor white Americans of the rural South, whose necks were often sunburnt red from working out in the sun all day.

      "Wetback" in contrast refers to Hispanic (originally just Mexican) immigrants who enter the country illegally by crossing the Rio Grande river, thus getting their backs/bodies wet.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @11:18AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @11:18AM (#891621)

        Equivalent terms for different people. WTF are you going on about?

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday September 09 2019, @11:33AM (2 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Monday September 09 2019, @11:33AM (#891624)

      Then why does Jeff Foxworthy use the term "redneck" without irony or apology, when speaking to people he considers his own?

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @12:36PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @12:36PM (#891643)

        Same reason black people call each other nigger.

        • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Monday September 09 2019, @11:44PM

          by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @11:44PM (#891943) Journal

          Hmmm, person I used to work with would come visit our headquarters periodically (~15 years back.) We called each other ignorant redneck and damned yankee respectively.
           
          It was pretty funny and always got us both smiling.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Bot on Monday September 09 2019, @04:56AM

    by Bot (3902) on Monday September 09 2019, @04:56AM (#891550) Journal

    politically correct originally was a bug not a feature

    from wikipedia (the pravda of the new millennium) itself

    Early-to-mid 20th century

    In the early-to-mid 20th century, the phrase "politically correct" was used to describe strict adherence to a range of ideological orthodoxies. In 1934, The New York Times reported that Nazi Germany was granting reporting permits "only to pure 'Aryans' whose opinions are politically correct."[2]

    As Marxist-Leninist movements gained political power, the phrase came to be associated with accusations of dogmatic application of doctrine, in debates between American Communists and American Socialists. This usage referred to the Communist party line which, in the eyes of the Socialists, provided "correct" positions on all political matters. According to American educator Herbert Kohl, writing about debates in New York in the late 1940s and early 1950s,

            The term "politically correct" was used disparagingly, to refer to someone whose loyalty to the CP line overrode compassion, and led to bad politics. It was used by Socialists against Communists, and was meant to separate out Socialists who believed in egalitarian moral ideas from dogmatic Communists who would advocate and defend party positions regardless of their moral substance.
            — "Uncommon Differences", The Lion and the Unicorn[3]

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SemperOSS on Monday September 09 2019, @07:35AM

    by SemperOSS (5072) on Monday September 09 2019, @07:35AM (#891574)

    It seems that political correct (PC) behaviour comes in at least three different categories, the first being the disuse of certain factually correct and originally neutral words/terms as they have come to offend some people's sensibilities and are considered negative in certain circles like blackboard versus chalkboard. The second form is using a derogatory term (in the broad sense of the word to also include terms that have been coined with a derogatory meaning from the outset) like shithead or redneck. The third form is apparently the factual misrepresentation or outright lie like illegals for all immigrants no matter their legal status.

    The first category I often find difficult as I feel people have become more and more sensitive over the years and because some outrageous examples appear like blackboard vs chalkboard. Apparently blackboard is inherently racist as it depicts the subjugation of the black (the blackboard) under the knowledge of the white (the writing on it). That is a step too far for me as it completely ignores the fact that blackboard is a factually descriptive term and that the whole thing came to life due to someone realising that chalk (conveniently found in nature) would easily mark on black stuff with good contrast. More convenient than trying to find some white stuff to write on with your charcoal sticks.

    The second category of PC behaviour I personally try to avoid as I do not see any good reason for name calling just like I try to avoid swearing. Not because I take offence at swearing but because I think it shows a lack of finesse — the language is reach enough to express a similar sentiment without the crudeness of swearing. But if you want to swear, be my guest, I promise not to take offence.

    The third category I abhor. If you have to turn to misrepresentation or lies to get your message through, you must have a very bad case or you are a demagogue. Unfortunately lies seem to have become par for the course in politics these days.

    It is unfortunate (and a bit of an ironic twist) if people at large consider liars more authentic/real and therefore (possibly) more trustworthy.


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday September 09 2019, @07:56AM (8 children)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday September 09 2019, @07:56AM (#891579) Journal

    political incorrect is just a fancy way to define your ingroup against an outgroup.

    The entire term should be discarded as it only causes chaos, because everyone always thinks they are politically correct no matter what they are saying or they wouldn't have said it.

    If you haven't noticed, the trumpites enjoy considering themselves politically incorrect. They use it essentially to make fun of 'snowflakes' for being 'butthurt' if you haven't noticed.

    But there is no way to strike back by calling someone ethically monstrous who has already accepted the low ground of not even trying, meanwhile they successfully trigger/enflame every minority by actively making a hostile homogenous environment that happens to also be extremely closed minded and jingoistic.

    Politically incorrect is a placeholder term for what you actually mean, and that is usually 'impolite' or 'hurtful' or 'inconsiderate'. When you say those words, people might change their behavior but if you say they are being politically incorrect, it is fuel to the fire.

    The inner brains of a trump voter are a work of engineering that rivals that of a porsche or bmw, despite their otherwise tacky and campy appearance they are precision designed to be receptive to republican talking points, no matter how unintelligent.

    Let's not play the game on the terms of the sauronic strategists behind this, the only thing I can say for sure about them is that they must really hate america and all it stands for to confuse those poor people into destroying their country while dressed in an actual flag.

    thesesystemsarefailing.net (new stuff up)

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 09 2019, @09:10AM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 09 2019, @09:10AM (#891599) Journal

      Didn't mod you "disagree", but I do disagree.

      everyone always thinks they are politically correct

      Personally, I understand perfectly that my "correct" is incorrect for some others. That doesn't discourage me from stating my opinions. I didn't form those opinions, or state those opinions, for the purpose of offending anyone. Those opinions are genuine, and I stated those opinions because others are actively, even combatively, trying to squelch those opinions. Or, put differently, millions of people have declared war on me and my opinions. I'm not one to lie down, and allow people to use me for a doorstep, so I speak up, political correctness be damned.

      Low ground, you say? Hmmm. Funny, I didn't think there was much ground below today's dem/left/progressive decadence and near anarchy, and assaulting the constitution of the US.

      And, you have your definitions backward. Political correctness is an excuse for being impolite, hurtful, inconsiderate, and disrespectful. Here, and elsewhere, people who hate America rejoice over American soldiers who are injured or killed. That is, American citizens, rejoicing over dead Americans - how can that be "correct" in any sense?

      Sauron? You're referring to that petrified congress critter from Cali? Pelosi?

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Freeman on Monday September 09 2019, @03:12PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Monday September 09 2019, @03:12PM (#891699) Journal

      "sauronic" isn't a word. I can only assume, you're referring to Sauron from J. R. R. Tolkien's famous Lord of the Rings Series and the Hobbit. Good luck, getting your meaning across to most people.

      Also, you say, how using politically incorrect terms are "impolite", "hurtful", or "inconsiderate", but then go on to be impolite, hurtful and inconsiderate when describing people who you don't agree with.

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      • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday September 09 2019, @06:49PM

        by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday September 09 2019, @06:49PM (#891808) Journal

        We are supposed to take liberties with our language.

        But yes I am describing 'dark psychic energy', the dark side, bad people, whatever you want to call it.

        I am genuinely sympathetic for the people in camp chairs at trump rallies, they are however being mislead by very calculating, truly evil people.

        I will concede that my commenatry is harsh, but we are talking about people who are literally ruining the world and trying to set global culture back a hundred years, which could kill us all.

        So yeah I am actually pissed at them, they are welcome to come here and defend themselves, or even criticize me if they like. I am tacky sometimes. I'm from the midwest, it's practically genetic.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:42PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:42PM (#891721)

      the trumpites enjoy considering themselves politically incorrect.

      And people like AOC, and many on the left, don't enjoy considering themselves politically correct? Everyone is using politically incorrect and diversive language all the time - and blaming others instead of themselves. If you don't see that, you need to reconsider what's going on in the world around you.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @06:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @06:05PM (#891772)

        the trumpites enjoy considering themselves politically incorrect.

        And people like AOC, and many on the left, don't enjoy considering themselves politically correct?

        Can you point out a few examples of that? I'm having a hard time recalling when people "on the left" actually revel in being called politically correct.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @04:56AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 10 2019, @04:56AM (#892072)

      Your website sucks.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @12:22PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @12:22PM (#891637)

    Funny how calling people what they are suddenly is controversial. Almost as if we are controlled through language by shaming and framing through the media. Hmmmm...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:38PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @03:38PM (#891719)

    ...replacing even a single politically correct word or phrase with a politically incorrect one—"illegal" versus "undocumented" immigrants...

    This is wrong. Someone entering the United States without approval is breaking the current laws. And is thus "illegal". They are also "undocumented". But "illegal" is the correct term for what they have done. Someone entering the United States who has followed the immigration laws is thus not "illegal" - they are a legal immigrant.

    When did using the Correct term for something become Politically Incorrect? If something is *by definition* correct, it is correct. Full stop.

    PC, in many cases, has been taken over by various political groups to force and support their agenda. You, the reader, should not fall for that crap. Use your brain; reading Soylent indicates you have one. Think. Don't be led around like a sheep. By any side and their agendas.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @10:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09 2019, @10:49PM (#891921)

      That is the point. The term 'Politically Correct' refers to any misrepresentation or outright lie that is claimed to be true because it justifies or supports a political position. In short, 'Politically Correct' is the politically correct term for propaganda.

  • (Score: 2) by EEMac on Monday September 09 2019, @05:13PM

    by EEMac (6423) on Monday September 09 2019, @05:13PM (#891750)
    This site will help anyone develop a thicker skin about political incorrectness: voat.co [voat.co]
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