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posted by martyb on Thursday October 03 2019, @08:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the There-ought-to-be-a-law!-Oh,-wait. dept.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/facebook-reddit-and-others-need-a-deepfakes-plan-now-senators-say/

"Over two-thirds of Americans now get their news from social media sites," Sens. Mark Warner (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) jointly write in a series of letters to several technology platforms. "Increased reliance on social media will require your company to assume a heightened set of obligations to safeguard the public interest and the public's trust."

Image manipulation is nothing new, and doctored and misleading images have frequently gone viral online since enough Americans had fast-enough Internet access to make the sharing of digital images possible. The potential for not only doctored but completely fabricated video to be able to pass for the real thing, however, is a newer trend.

[...] "We ought to know if social media companies have a plan for how to deal with this."


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @08:44AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @08:44AM (#902204)

    Only shallow fakes possible. And the khallow one, too.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday October 03 2019, @12:43PM (4 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday October 03 2019, @12:43PM (#902235)

      khallow is not fake, that's his real personality out there...

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      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:19PM (3 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:19PM (#902338) Journal

        In other words, a fake so deep that it is actually not fake?

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:32PM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:32PM (#902340)

          I'd say a real so sad you wish it were fake, but... everyone has their own perspective.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday October 04 2019, @12:31AM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday October 04 2019, @12:31AM (#902488) Journal

          No, he's as serious as an Ebola outbreak and would be about as deadly if he had any real political power. When someone shows you who they are, *believe them the first time.*

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          • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:52AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:52AM (#902900) Journal

            No, he's as serious as an Ebola outbreak and would be about as deadly if he had any real political power.

            I wonder how badass this khallow character is going to be in another eight months? If he had any real political power that is. Better not accidentally stick his name on the ballot for dogcatcher. You might just end the world!

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 04 2019, @10:34PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 04 2019, @10:34PM (#902838) Journal
      That's a good thing. We'd have to form our own senate in order to investigate these serious problems. Then we'd probably have to form a second senate because the first one was packed with alt-righters, SJW, or something. The titles would be confusing. How do you tell people which senates you're in? Some sort of textual Venn diagram? Set theoretic notation?

      Fortunately, we missed that bullet this time.
  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @09:02AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @09:02AM (#902207)

    I hope sites are not forced to delete deepfake content by law.

    Labeling it would be OK. But knowing the social media giants they will delete fucking everything. NO FUN ALLOWED.

    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Thursday October 03 2019, @10:31PM

      by acid andy (1683) on Thursday October 03 2019, @10:31PM (#902452) Homepage Journal

      No, they won't delete all of them. Just the ones created by members of the public.

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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @10:59AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @10:59AM (#902221)

    Democrats constantly consort with minions of the devil, they don't want you to believe the tapes of this.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Pslytely Psycho on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:27PM (1 child)

      by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:27PM (#902308)

      They only consort with minions of the devil when they want something to pass as bipartisan.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:59PM (#902394)

        All congress members should have to publish a list of their top 10 historical figures required to emulate to maximize human joy. Up to three of the figures can be fictional, at least two must be lgbt, a max of four can be men, no more than three can be rich, and up to two can still be alive today.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Thursday October 03 2019, @12:20PM

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday October 03 2019, @12:20PM (#902231)

    What is "Social Media"? If I put a guestbook on my webpage that allows links to videos, that might be considered social media. Certainly any video hosting site (vimeo, YouTube, etc.) is "part of the problem," but what about github? Really, any file hosting site can host videos.

    I think the Djinni has left the bottle...

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Rupert Pupnick on Thursday October 03 2019, @12:55PM

    by Rupert Pupnick (7277) on Thursday October 03 2019, @12:55PM (#902240) Journal

    The question is how good is the available machine or AI-based Deepfake detection technology. If deciding whether or not a particular image is strictly a matter of human interpretation, then you will have the same disinformation problem as we have today, only worse.

  • (Score: 2) by Snospar on Thursday October 03 2019, @01:37PM (4 children)

    by Snospar (5366) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 03 2019, @01:37PM (#902261)

    Are these the same people that believe "Demons" are walking amongst us? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/most-americans-1829-years_b_4163588 [huffpost.com]

    Mind you, if they get all their news from social media without any fact checking then I'd expect them to believe just about anything and have the pics to prove it!

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:50PM (3 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:50PM (#902286) Journal

      How many movies are there about Zombies, Vampires and Werewolves?

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      • (Score: 2) by Snospar on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:22PM (2 children)

        by Snospar (5366) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:22PM (#902306)

        So they can't differentiate fact from fiction at all? Maybe its nice to live in a world where you really are catching those Pokemon you see on your screen and where Italian plumbers hang out with dinosaurs and gorillas and nobody gets hurt.

        Sign me up... oh wait, I don't have any social media accounts. D'oh!

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:28PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 03 2019, @03:28PM (#902309) Journal

          People are now so glued to phones that they cannot even walk safely in public. Walking into walls or fountains, or walking into the crosswalk against the DON'T WALK indicator.

          Is it any surprise they cannot distinguish reality from fiction?

          Maybe modern movie special effects are the first form of deep fakes that began to warp people's scents of reality.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:56AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:56AM (#902903) Journal
            The stench of reality can't be so easily covered up. Death in particular doesn't hide well.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:38PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:38PM (#902370)

    Why do senators waste time writing letters to private companies? Wouldn't it make more sense to ask questions of something governmental that they might have actual influence over? Maybe ask the Department of Education how they intend to educate the public to deal with fake videos ...

    • (Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:37PM (1 child)

      by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Thursday October 03 2019, @06:37PM (#902387)

      Writing letters to business leaders costs nothing and failure for the recipient to act can't be blamed on you.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:58AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 05 2019, @01:58AM (#902904) Journal
        Blowing off such letters costs nothing too.
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