Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story from RIPE (Réseaux IP Européens):
Today we allocated the last of our contiguous /22 IPv4 address blocks. We still have approximately one million addresses available, in the form of /23s and /24s, and we will continue making /22-equivalent allocations made up of these smaller blocks. Once we can no longer allocate the equivalent of a /22, we will announce that we have reached run-out. We expect this to occur in November 2019.
Following our last update in August, we received a very high number of new LIR[*] applications. We have now reached a point where the number of LIRs waiting to be activated is larger than the number of /22-equivalents remaining. This means that some of these LIRs will only be eligible to request a /24 via the waiting list by the time they are activated. We alerted these applicants to this possibility during the application process.
Due to the number of new LIR applications still to be processed, we estimate that it could be around eight weeks before we get to an application that is submitted today. To ensure fairness, we are processing all LIR applications (and IPv4 requests) in the order they were received.
It is important to note that the delay is only with LIR applications - not IPv4 requests. Existing members can still request their final /22 allocations, provided we still have addresses available.
[*] LIR: Local Internet Registry.
What, if any, measures have you taken to deal with this?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 07 2019, @11:33PM (3 children)
Expect a future where everything is cloud hosted when Big Cloud owns every IP address. Expect prices to increase.
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:21PM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:53PM
NAT
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @06:35AM
Rent them like most people on the Internet already effectively do?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @12:00AM (15 children)
I've had my IPv6 address for ages but my stupid ISP isn't using IPv6 yet... because "hard" or something...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @12:19AM (11 children)
IPv6 is a LAN protocol, like IPX before it. IPv6 just happens to be routable across long distances between geographically separated LANs. But IPv6 is not global and IPv6 is not the internet. The real global internet is IPv4.
An ISP provides internet access, and that means IPv4 access.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @12:30AM (1 child)
Based on your explanation, IPv6 is the InterLAN... maybe we could start marketing that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @12:57AM
IPX was the Internetwork. IPv6 fills the same niche on a larger scale. In many ways IPv6 is IPX gone 64 bit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:20AM (2 children)
You know that's a lie and provocative, thusly a troll.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:45AM (1 child)
You are incorrect. An opinion that you disagree with is not a troll.
IPv6 was designed when Novell IPX was a popular LAN protocol, and it shows. Both IPX and IPv6 use hexadecimal addresses. Where IPX used a 32 bit network number, IPv6 uses a 64 bit network number. Where iPX used a 48 bit node number based on MAC address, IPv6 uses a 64 bit node number based on MAC address. IPv6 has a mandatory link-local address space dedicated to LAN-only communication, and in most IPv6 deployments, link-local LAN is the only way in which IPv6 is used. IPv6 is first and foremost a LAN protocol. IPv6 has not reached adoption on the global scale as anything more than an optional add-on, whereas IPv4 remains absolutely essential for internet access. IPv6 belongs in history books alongside the IPX protocol that inspired it.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:53AM
And so is IPv4. Actually, IPv4 is a 32-bit hexadecimal address, like IPX. The entire thing with 0-255 should clue you in - it's 0 - FF. You claim you know something about computers, yet you somehow missed the reason why people use hex notation? The wheel is turning, but the hamster, it ain't there...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday October 08 2019, @06:26AM (5 children)
You are talking rubbish - perhaps that is true in the USA but the rest of the world are just getting on with it. For example, from my command line:
and:
My ISP (in Europe) changed to IPv6 as the main address mode over 2 years ago, but they have said that they will support IPv4 until other countries have 'had sufficient time' to adopted it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:42PM
In Portugal, of the 3 major ISPs, 1 (Meo) is already fully IPV6 to clients about 4 or 5 years, another (Vodafone) is slowly deploying it to clients by regions (do not know the global status, if already deployed to all or not, but you can request it for faster deployment) and the third one (Nos) is still making excuses for not deploying (mostly some sites "fail" with ipv6 turn on... for several years already, i fail to find any of those boken "sites"), even if a client request it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:46PM (3 children)
Even in the USA IPv6 is coming along nicely. The supermajority of my web usage is IPv6, though not 100%. I still have to use IPv4 for games, but not much else.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:10PM (2 children)
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:49PM (1 child)
Steam doesn't have IPv6.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:17AM
(Score: 2, Informative) by Mojibake Tengu on Tuesday October 08 2019, @12:52AM (1 child)
Hurricane Electric provides free tunnels for everyone! Worked for me for ages when I had no v6 from my ISP.
https://tunnelbroker.net/ [tunnelbroker.net]
Respect Authorities. Know your social status. Woke responsibly.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:03AM
Hurricane Electric is great when you want to connect your IPv6 island to another IPv6 island using a tunnel over the real IPv4 internet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:03PM
Because "what's the point"?
Here at an elite US technical research university, IPv6 plans == null. Everything we need is on IPv4. The security strategies are known for IPv4. What's more, for this university IPv6 is apparently not even interesting for future monetization.
I was a wee lad when IPv6 came out. I'll likely retire on IPv4. Personally, I'm waiting for IPv8 to address the bad choices that were made in IPv6 and adopt some of the security and routing considerations that IPv4 got when the internet was opened to the unwashed masses.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @12:31AM (2 children)
I summoned my genie and wished I had more beer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:11AM (1 child)
Why not just summon more beer instead?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:06PM
the genie isn't 21 yet so he can't buy it
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:09AM (10 children)
IPv6 address space is too small.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:17AM (9 children)
I can't memorize 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe98:90b
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:35AM (3 children)
I can't memorize this URL. Good thing I have a Clip Board.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:48AM (2 children)
Clippy, take me to soylentnews.org
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:12AM
Mai Waifu Alexa, navigate me to comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=34007&commentsort=0&mode=threadtng&threshold=-1&page=1&cid=903929#commentwrap
(Score: 2, Funny) by DECbot on Tuesday October 08 2019, @06:46AM
It looks like you are attempting to write a website. Would you like me to open a new HTML template in Word?
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:56AM (2 children)
This is kind of actually a small part of the problem. IPv6 is less convenient to use, even when it works, because the addresses are not suitable for humans to use directly. Lots of IPv4 applications, especially involving peer-to-peer gaming, expect the users to work directly with IP addresses. But there are other cases too, like tech support. IPv4 is just more convenient when humans need to get directly involved.
While the problem is really the fault of the lack of useful DNS for non-server addresses, nevertheless it exists.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:11AM
AppleTalk solved the problem by defining a standard Name Binding Protocol and never showing addresses to users.
IPv6 has no such solution, but many competing workarounds exist: mDNS, DNS-SD, LLMNR, SSDP, and others.
Naming isn't hard. IPv6 just doesn't do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:52PM
you have plain dns, but even if ipv6 address look hard to work by humans, in reality is not that hard.
the first half is your network and after some time working with it it the same as memorizing 192.168.52.xxx
the second half can be your mac address, while longer than the ipv4 address is not that hard to work with... and the best part is that it is that you can change it, you can use (network address)::1 or (network address):1:2:3:4 or even (network address):1:5ee:bad:c0de
so yes, while longer, its that much different from ipv4, most people can't memorize ipv4 and with sometime working with ipv6 you end memorize the network address anyway... the rest is either the mac or what ever you choose.
But again, really, use DNS! any game or app that require IPV4 address, if they add iIPV6, they can also add dns resolution!
(Score: 2) by ledow on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:21AM
I haven't memorised an IP address in my life - at best I remember the suffix, and the prefix changes on every site I ever work.
That's what DNS is for.
All you need to know are the IPs for your DNS and gateway, and if you have anything like common sense, you make those end with 1, 2 and 3 with a common prefix that is easy to discover (and you won't even need that unless you're dealing with servers etc. as literally 99% of people on the Internet have no idea what their external IP is at any particular time).
Everything else from from address discovery (DHCP and IPv6 equivalents) and DNS.
You know your argument is weak when it comes up with junk like this. Tell me - how many people's mobile phone numbers do you have memorised?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:05AM
Which is why we have DNS - you should try it sometime. You only have to remember things like soylentnews.org.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Thexalon on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:31AM (2 children)
Stage 1: People with expertise bring a problem to management. Management asks if the problem needs to be addressed immediately, and the people with expertise say something along the lines of "not right now, but it's going to get progressively more expensive and difficult to fix it if we delay". Management will hear "we don't need to do anything right now", and will tell those people with expertise to get back to doing useful work and otherwise ensure that nothing happens.
Stage 2: The problem has now become impossible to ignore and needs to be fixed right now. Management will now demand that the people with expertise run around like their hair's on fire looking busy until the problem is fixed at a cost far higher in both money and time than it would have been had they allowed the smart people to act back in Stage 1. Bonus points if you can use the emergency to force people who are totally non-useful to fixing the problem (because the issue has basically nothing to do with their job description) work double- or triple- shifts in the process.
Stage 3: After the dust settles, the people who brought the problem to management's attention and were told not to do anything will invariably be blamed for the ensuing emergency, with all correspondence from Stage 1 conveniently forgotten about. The senior members of the team of people with expertise may in this stage select a junior member of the team (e.g. an intern) to blame the whole thing on, and like all scapegoats said junior member will receive unwarranted whippings and be banished (i.e. fired).
Stage 4: Whichever manager appears to have been at the forefront of making people with expertise run around looking busy in Stage 2 receives a promotion for their initiative and energy in handling the emergency. (How much said manager was actually involved is immaterial for this decision.) Other managers in Stage 1 see this and act accordingly, perpetuating the cycle.
I've seen this play out in corporate, academic, and non-profit environments. I'm pretty sure it occurs in military and government environments as well. About the only solutions for this are either the experts to not seek management's approval for dealing with the problem, or for the experts to quietly ignore management and prep for dealing with it as much as you can get away with. That way, when management comes to the experts in a panic, they can say "We have a solution ready for you, we just need your authorization to ... and we'll be back to normal".
And that's what's happening with the IPv6 conversion. I can guarantee you that nobody will really flip over to IPv6 until they are all of a sudden not able to do the things they want to be able to do on the Internet.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @01:53PM
The first step in dealing with any problem is figuring out who is going to get in the way, and not tell them about it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by mobydisk on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:59PM
Stage 1.5: The problem has now become impossible to ignore and needs to be fixed right now. Management demands a workaround to delay the problem. People with expertise devise a temporary workaround that makes the problem harder to fix in the long-term, but allows management to continue to ignore it for a while longer.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:05AM (10 children)
I keep hearing that IPv4 addresses have *just* ran out, especially from RIPE's press releases, for what seems to be a decade now.
Pretty sure I could get a real address on demand for under $10 per month.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:30AM
They ran out of blocks to assign. Those who received the blocks are more than willing to flog individual IPs, from those blocks they bought, off to you...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:28AM (7 children)
No one needs an IP4 block. wheatear it is a /24 /20 /16 or greater. It is time to take back the IPs from waste space of Disney, AT&T, Google, ... Just waste them fo so each desktop as it own "real" ip.
Come on 10.0.0.0 /8 has more IPs than a company needs. Help 127.0.0.0 /8 is a waste of space.
Just liek thephone company broke the rules that make Area Codes and Prefixes independent (Area codes n[0-1]n, prefixes n[2-9]n) Do the same here...
Clean up the mess vs changing the world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:48AM (5 children)
4.3 billion ain't enough. It's time to put IPv4 down already.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday October 08 2019, @06:46AM (4 children)
Agreed. I am using at least 17 addresses inside my home, and that number is set to grow. I say 'at least' because there are probably some devices that I have simply forgotten to count. I've remembered our desktops, laptop, TV, Raspberry Pi's, set-top boxes, medical alert device, security cameras, Kindle .....
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:56AM (3 children)
With as much as people complain about different services tracking them, you'll think the last thing they'd want is each and every device having its own globally-unique address.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:34AM
So don't you have a mobile/cell phone? Do you use credit or debit cards, or store loyalty cards? Do you keep them in an RFI protected wallet? Do you always wear a mask when you are outdoors in case anyone sees you or you come into range of a camera? Do you use Amazon, or a subscription to a media provider? Do you drive cars only if the registration is obscured, or perhaps hire cars and hope that whomever you hire them from forgets your details as soon as you return the vehicle?
If you want to hide your IP address you can use VPN or proxy server, exactly as we have been doing for years. After all, your ISP always knows your IP address whatever you are doing. It is not a secret that only you know. That's why we hash IP addresses on this site - they are a unique identifier to you. So we use them only where necessary, and we convert them to hashes for internal use. Not even all of the staff have access to them.
I understand your concern - but that horse is long gone from the stable.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:47AM (1 child)
A sea of nearly infinite IP addresses offers a lot of places to hide.
Using IPv4 for anonymity/plausible deniability (multiple people to each IP address) is not that great. If you use a VPN then IPv4 and IPv6 should be similar for privacy. Or IPv6 can be better if your VPN service can find a way to use the large amount of addresses to their advantage.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:59PM
IPv6 has support for temporary addresses built in to address this exact issue.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:34PM
you know that several of the reserved blocks are being reallocated to common use as some companies are releasing part of their ip pool already (but of course, as they had those IPs, several of then are using IPs all over the place and may not be that easy to reconfigure everything.)
But again, this is just a quick fix, to push the problems a few moths later... there is simply not enough IPs for everything and nats over nats will break many things, not everything is just https!!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @02:12PM
How many times have the Voyager probes left the solar system?
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:07PM (1 child)
Not supporting IPv6 by now is idiotic, yet many ISPs have no support for it. All they really need to do is adopt it.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:18PM
This. I have two different ISPs and neither of them support IPv6, nor (as far as I'm aware) are there plans for them to do so.
A large number of issues (IP address exhaustion being just one of them) can be resolved with IPv6.
But those ISPs don't care. Cheap, rent-seeking bastards.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:35PM
my wowway dslam has a typo "unknown protovol IPv6”