Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:
Young adults who experience annual income drops of 25 percent or more may be more at risk of having thinking problems and reduced brain health in middle age, according to a study published in the October 2, 2019, online issue of Neurology®, the medical journal of the American Academy of Neurology.
“Income volatility is at a record level since the 1980s and there is growing evidence that it may have pervasive effects on health, yet policies intending to smooth unpredictable income changes are being weakened in the United States and many other countries,” said study author Leslie Grasset, PhD, of the Inserm Research Center in Bordeaux, France. “Our exploratory study followed participants in the United States through the recession in the late 2000s when many people experienced economic instability. Our results provide evidence that higher income volatility and more income drops during peak earning years are linked to unhealthy brain aging in middle age.
” The study involved 3,287 people who were 23 to 35 years old at the start of the study and were enrolled in the Coronary Artery Risk Development in Young Adults (CARDIA) study, which includes a racially diverse population. Participants reported their annual pre-tax household income every three to five years for 20 years, from 1990 to 2010. Researchers examined how often income dropped as well as the percentage of change in income between 1990 and 2010 for each participant. Based on the number of income drops, participants fell into three groups: 1,780 people who did not have an income drop; 1,108 who had one drop of 25 percent or more from the previous reported income; and 399 people who had two or more such drops. Participants were given thinking and memory tests that measured how well they completed tasks and how much time it took to complete them. For one test, participants used a key that paired numbers 1 to 9 with symbols.
They were then given a list of numbers and had to write down the corresponding symbols. Researchers found that people with two or more income drops had worse performances in completing tasks than people with no income drops. On average, they scored worse by 3.74 points or 2.8 percent. “For reference, this poor performance is greater than what is normally seen due to one year in aging, which is equivalent to scoring worse by only 0.71 points on average or 0.53 percent”, said Grasset. Participants with more income drops also scored worse on how much time it took to complete some tasks. The results were the same after researchers adjusted for other factors that could affect thinking skills, such as high blood pressure, education level, physical activity and smoking. There was no difference between the groups on tests that measured verbal memory.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:22PM (28 children)
Strongest rise to the top!
Winner takes it all!
If you Have it you will Make it, therefore whoever hasn't Made it Doesn't have it.
There is no principle of inequality or injustice that cannot be outright dismissed by appeal to Meritocracy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:17PM (24 children)
Amazing how idiots can tard their way right around basic logic :/
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:51PM (23 children)
They're stronger than us intelligent folks. They're invulnerable to logic.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:58PM (22 children)
Lol I was referring to the meritocracy tards, somehow I don't think you "intelligent folk" caught that. Who needs science when you've got feelz?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @06:25PM
$1000 A MONTH! WHEEEEEEEEE
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 08 2019, @06:31PM (20 children)
Oh, you have a logical argument against meritocracy then? Feel free to share.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:14PM (4 children)
Homelessness, medical events, crime prevention.
Meritocracy is fine in limited cases, just like capitalism. Only morons apply it to everything. Since you'll get angry and dumb because you can't think for yourself I'll just go ahead and point out that the converse is true. 100% socialism or communism also fails because there are great use cases for capitalism and meritocracy.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 08 2019, @09:30PM (3 children)
What are the limits?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @03:13AM (2 children)
That, as usual, is up to trial and error. We set limits, then adjust if needed.
Please note, socialism as a definition is about workers being co-owners of the business. Only recently has it morphed into tax-payer funded services, which is close but not the same. Capitalism is also subverted, it is better thought of as mini-monarchies.
Currently the answers are simple, socialize healthcare and education, and provide good safety nets for the general population so you reduce homelessness and crime. Studies show repeatedly that money spent on these aspects of society generate more productivity in the long run. Even if you want to be a greedy sociopath you should agree with these platforms.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 09 2019, @09:51AM (1 child)
What does that have to do with a meritocracy? Does everyone have the same merit for the same service choices. Should we spend as much public funds prolonging an 80 year old's life for a few weeks as an 8 month year old's life for 80 years? Is that what socialized healthcare means?
Do I have a right to an education as a string theorist (at least for a fixed number of years), even if there's absolutely no way, even with decades of education, that I could understand string theory? And does the rich person get the same safety net payout as the poor person?
These things seem to have little to do with rejecting meritocracy. We might not call it "merit", but there will be measures by which some people will be considered more deserving of those services than others, whether it be better chance for a huge positive life outcome, better competence and ability at certain parts of education, or simply being needier for a safety net.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:26PM
Ah, useless whinging, whatever.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:56PM (10 children)
To chime in also. Meritocracy is a pretty good idea, but very difficult to really practice.
The proof I would offer is how you have wound up with various Trump children as "advisers" in the White House. Also, just to be balanced, look at the careers of Chelsea Clinton and her husband, also Hunter Biden, who I understand has been in the news recently.
None of those people have ever done anything to earn the positions they have wound up in.
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Tuesday October 08 2019, @09:31PM (9 children)
How is something that isn't a meritocracy an argument against a meritocracy?
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:16PM (8 children)
How is it that you fail to understand the point I made?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @11:16PM (2 children)
That is 75% of his posts, ignoring your point as if he is making a valid point in order to appear authoritative as he pushes his agenda.
Remember, the conservative strategy is "win at all costs" so facts and logic simply do not matter.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday October 09 2019, @01:24AM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 09 2019, @07:16AM
Why was that supposed to be a bad thing? My reply wasn't about his "point" it was about a "proof" using an example that had nothing to do with the subject.
A huge part of my agenda is non-crappy argument on the internet. You're welcome to further it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 09 2019, @07:03AM (4 children)
I get you don't like the meritocracy thing for some reason. I also get that your "proof" is a story about a non-meritocracy which has nothing to do with the point you were making - unless, of course, you were somehow claiming that these seedy politicians, who let us note in turn have nothing to with young people with income drops, somehow worked their way into their positions through merit.
Your point is not furthered by a shitty argument.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 09 2019, @07:22PM (3 children)
Let's not use a car analogy.
Let's just not pretend we live in anything approaching a meritocracy, which is the point I made, as you well know.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 10 2019, @04:51AM (2 children)
At least where politics is concerned. I'm not similarly convinced about the people who can't figure out how to save $1000 for an emergency.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Friday October 11 2019, @12:53AM (1 child)
Why don't they just get their Father to get them a job at a hedge fund?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 11 2019, @06:42PM
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:04PM (1 child)
That's easy. Meritocracy fails because there is no good measure of merit, and as soon as you make one it will be subverted through bribery and corruption.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by sjames on Tuesday October 08 2019, @11:11PM
Exactly. That and the circular reasoning. Success == merit == success. Failure == no merit == failure. Thus, it's "meritocracy" in name but in truth it's just a combination of nepotism and status quo with a thin veneer of fake meritocracy to make it seem respectable,
(Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Tuesday October 08 2019, @11:07PM
The problem comes in when proponents of "meritocracy" beg the question.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @03:58PM
People cheat.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:57PM
The ones who had it all will have it all as a legacy. Meritocracy is fake and is just a jedi trick for the weak minds.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:08AM (1 child)
The worst part of it is that by definition this isn't anything to do with merit. "My daddy was rich and so was his daddy" is in fact the precise opposite of merit. If meritocracy were truly in force, the rich but useless segment of society would find itself begging for change in the subway.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:28PM
Woah woah now, you can't bring real world scenarios into this libertarian fantasy!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by RandomFactor on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:26PM (13 children)
Insecurity due to income is correlated with poor sleep and poor sleep is correlated with thinking problems in middle age.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:47PM (5 children)
I mean, the potential negative effects associated with drop in socio-economic status are, to be honest, fucking huge. Single direct cause analysis of it is a fools errand.
Decreased medical care, lower food quality, higher stress, less free time, weakened social support networks, less exercise, more pollution in neighborhoods, worse child care availability, less continuing education, the list goes on and on like that. And every fucking one of those hits cognition along with making your life suck a little more.
I'd also like to think that this research shoots the biological determinism arguments in the foot, but those people will be around forever no matter what you do.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:32PM (2 children)
Given that the precariate now encompasses more than 30% of all workers, we'd best find a better way to redistribute the wealth created by the tech revolution.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 3, Touché) by ikanreed on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:43PM (1 child)
That was my point. Did I really make it that badly?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:24PM
Sensitive topic and the meritocracy crowd often abuses facts into twisted "logic" so explicitly stating things is not a bad idea.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday October 08 2019, @11:14PM
All of those are possible (even probable) mechanisms. You're doing a pretty good job demonstrating the plausibility of the hypothesis you want to deny.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @07:56AM
The odd thing is none of that needs to define your life. Take people who attempt suicide. Those who fail at it and successfully treat their depression end up better off than those who didn't attempt suicide or weren't depressed. The treatment teaches you how to manage your stress, how to live better, can give you closer friendships, etc... Things that let you reach higher had you not almost killed yourself.
I've experienced the same thing. 9 years ago I lost my job and really had to struggle. Because of that I learned far better financial management, how to make your own healthy food, how to manage a small garden, how to start and run a business for a 2nd income stream, etc... Because of that complete failure 9 years ago (I used to only go to work, come home, rot in front of the TV, then repeat the next day) I'm now WAY better off than I used to be. I eat better, I have a stable job, I have two other income streams, I've taught myself many skills, and I'm diagramming out a LitRPG book I'd like to write.
Far too many people have high learned-helplessness skills. When you get kicked down you're forced to learn to survive at that level. When you start to get better, keep your life at the lower level. When you do this, you can springboard far higher than you would have otherwise since all the improvements get invested back into more improvements instead of half-wasted on quality of life improvements. I own one fork and got it for under $1, but I also own 3 apartment units. How many extra forks do you have?
A drop in socio-economic status can be an opportunity if you don't waste all your time whining about your life or engaging in escapism. I know it's difficult, but who ever said 'life is easy' lied to you.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:36PM
I'm thinking it relates to the previous story: income drops correlate with increased fast food consumption...
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:45PM (5 children)
Insecure income at as a young adult is more often than not a direct result of already having thinking problems.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:56PM (1 child)
That's right!
It is YOUR FAULT you were downsized in the middle of an economic down turn.
F- you man.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:36PM
Smells of bullshit, indeed.
Well, no wonder, TMB opened his mouth again.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:34PM
Citation needed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:10AM (1 child)
Keep telling yourself that. Hope that boot tastes real nice, 'cause you've got the entire thing down your throat like some land-dwelling abyssal fish with a taste for shoe polish and political own-goals.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @03:26AM
He is a carrion eater, it is only natural he would welcome the taste of old dried out skin.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:28PM (27 children)
It's probably related to the stress from the cause of the drops, such as a job loss, divorce, injury, etc. So it would be interesting to see this data by country. Do social-safety-net countries show the same impact?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:36PM (5 children)
TMB must've dropped a lot
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:48PM (4 children)
And yet I've still got probably thirty IQ points on you. Did you change jobs weekly in your twenties or something?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:14PM
Eeesh, 4-chan gonna revoke your troll card.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:13AM (2 children)
And your massive brainy buzzard cranium gets you...what? Living in a roommate situation, the highlight of your life being fishing and/or masturbation, with nothing more to your name than trolling some online forum somewhere? That's some legacy. Even I don't have to have a roommate and I was goddamn homeless less than 2 months ago.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Wednesday October 09 2019, @10:03AM
What's the problem with that?
Who says that TMB has to have a roommate?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @03:24AM
You forgot, by his own admission, he fantasizes about sucking his own mushroom.
(Score: 4, Informative) by ikanreed on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:07PM
They've got to at least a little, because no social safety net can provide every single thing that matters for wellbeing.
But let's take a look at the appendix of this article, and see if they cited anyone who worked in that area. Welp... the answer is pretty much no. There's only one citation dealing with the question of safety nets
Health Effects of Unemployment Benefit Program Generosity [aphapublications.org], which doesn't directly address mental health. It just uses "Self-reported health" as a the sole dependent variable.
This is the closest quote I can find to addressing the question, but only about self-reported general health.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Wednesday October 09 2019, @06:28AM (19 children)
The problem is that the social net is under continuous attack, right wing government gets in, austerity results and standard of living drops. Just something as simple as potholes not getting fixed adding to vehicle damage and longer commutes, but the meritorious citizen has a few more dollars from the tax cut.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 09 2019, @10:06AM (18 children)
Ok, where's the problem with that? Why shouldn't it be under continuous attack?
Except of course, when the standard of living rises instead. There's a lot of unquestioned assumptions in that single phrase.
Fixing potholes is not a safety net function. Instead, it is a rival funding sink to a safety net, and often gets shorted at the expense of these safety nets.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday October 09 2019, @09:27PM (1 child)
Because we care about the well-being of those that benefit from an intact safety net more than you do!
Q.E.D.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 10 2019, @04:53AM
Do you? No safety net would be very easy to keep intact. Meanwhile a very plush safety net without the necessary tax base is not.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Thursday October 10 2019, @12:45AM (15 children)
Huh? What kind of asshole wants to attack the weakest in society.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 10 2019, @02:30AM (7 children)
The kind of asshole Mr. Hallow is. THIS is why I keep wishing for him to become homeless and destitute; it's the only way he's going to learn. I've noticed that some people simply are not capable of giving a shit about something until the thing in question happens to them.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by dry on Thursday October 10 2019, @03:22AM (6 children)
Yes, I've dealt with kallow on and off over the years, mostly off as you can't argue someone into having empathy. Life circumstances sometimes will change a person and even then some people are so stuck that nothing will change them, the armor is just too thick.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:36PM (2 children)
The latest is he's decided to "foe" me, as he apparently thinks I've suffered too much to hold a proper discussion with him...? Buuuut I've been kicking his ass around the room and even baiting him into letting out the crazy now and then in public...? The guy's mind is like a black hole. He's an utter selfish solipsist.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by dry on Friday October 11 2019, @03:43AM (1 child)
I just find it depressing that there are people who think the best thing to do to the downtrodden is to tread harder on them.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday October 12 2019, @01:14AM
I seem to recall reading that something like 1 in 80 people is a psychopath. Given the number of people registered on the site, about 8000 last I checked, that means that all else being equal (and it likely isn't the case, given the stated aims of this site...) we have around a hundred of them. There's no other way I can explain this behavior other than a cluster B personality disorder.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Friday October 11 2019, @07:07PM (2 children)
What makes you think you have empathy in the first place?
Your first post was a great Marxist-style blame deflection. The glorious safety net is being held back by the criticism of counterrevolutionaries! Not the more mundane consideration that these bits don't actually work as advertised. Sure, you can show that overly costly and underfunded public pensions and health care are worth the price without vacuous appeals to emotion, right?
(Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Saturday October 12 2019, @06:10AM (1 child)
I get pissed off when, in the name of tax cuts, the veterans have most of their services cut. Cut by the same people who insist on going to war on the other side of the world for no good reason. I also get pissed off when they start shutting down the coast guard, which saves hundreds of lives a year.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 12 2019, @02:42PM
Like what? When I look [va.gov] at the Veteran Administration's expenditures, I see it went up from $167 million in 2015 to $180 million in 2018 (and currently requesting $220 million [va.gov] FWIW). So no, didn't happen at least at the budget level. And glancing at 2008, it used to be $85 million. So basically, this has gone up through both the Trump and Obama administrations.
You can dump as much gas as you'd like into the engine. But if the spark plug doesn't spark, then the car doesn't go. You can dump more money into the VA. You can change to single payer for the plebes. But until the institutional problems of the US government bureaucracy are addressed and mitigated, you're not going anywhere. I think the key one is simply that the tax revenue stream is riddled with parasites: corporate ones, empire building government bureaucracies, and it goes all the way do to the individual level both inside and outside the government, from people nursing a government paycheck for a few decades in an obscure bureaucracy to that safety net we keep talking about.
None of it takes us anywhere.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 10 2019, @05:04AM (6 children)
My view is that the safety net is an attack on the weakest in society, particularly the parts, like a high minimum wage, that are the opposite of a safety net. So my answer to your rhetorical question is you are that kind of asshole.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:44PM
The kind of twisted psychopath who could think and say something like that with a straight face...good grief. You are irredeemable. You're going to need this crap burned out of you in Hellfire before you're fit to tread the Earth's surface again at this rate. I will never understand what makes some people willingly, gleefully even, discard their own humanity. What advantage do you think you're going to gain from this way of life?
Welp, can't say I didn't try with you early on :/ Oh well, you'll be in bad (but widespread) company...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by dry on Friday October 11 2019, @02:30AM (4 children)
So cripples should be thrown of cliffs, veterans that are all screwed up from saving your life style should live on the streets and anyone who gets hit by a car should be left to die. Got it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 11 2019, @07:11PM (3 children)
I think constructing straw men is a sign that your empathy gear is broke.
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday October 12 2019, @06:04AM (2 children)
Pointing out that potholes damage cars as well as slow down traffic is full on Marxist?
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday October 12 2019, @06:15AM
Hmm, somehow this reply ended up in the wrong part of the thread.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 12 2019, @02:50PM
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:52PM (13 children)
Maybe - just maybe - possibly - there IS a cause and effect here. There is at least a slim possibility that thinking problems cause unsteady income among adults, both young and old. Hmmmmm - maybe there is even a circular reinforcement thing here? Thinking problems cause unsteady income, which in turn causes more problems in thinking, which in turn . . . .
Maybe we need to chase that one around the track a few times?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:19PM (11 children)
Maybe you need to stop shoe-horning everything into your shitty narratives.
You can lead a horse to water, but making a conservative think for themselves is a fool's errand.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:30PM (10 children)
There's your problem.
A. You don't WANT a conservative to think for him/herself. You want them to think like you do.
B. You want to MAKE people think like you do.
Maybe I do need to stop shoe-horning everything into my own narratives. Would you care to discuss that idea more in depth in my journal?
https://soylentnews.org/~Runaway1956/journal/4653 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:42PM (3 children)
Also why not? They bring it up wherever they are. They attack anyone who does not share their views. I say go for it. They want to sit safely behind their keyboards and lob insults yet not have any lobbed their way. They can stick it.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:21PM
Oh right, insults only come from liberals. Lol ya big cry babies want zero accountability while screeching about free speech and deplatforming.
Pathetic, and the critical thinking comment is about people reacting to things because it doesn't agree with their world view so instead of being simply skeptical and accepting the possibility that reality is more nuanced than their "common sense" you do what? Double down then screech about ideological fascism. Pure projection as usual, and that behavior is what spawns the simple insults.
You don't have to agree on policy positions, moral positions, or whatever subjective ideas are out there but you must have some grou ding for your positions in reality. Sadly in 2019 conservatives have sucked down a pile of propaganda to actively hurt themselves and everyone but the rich, so yeah you get a lot of shit from people who aren't so brainwashed they can account for the readily available facts of reality.
Go ahead, rage some more about your poor persecuted stupidity, not like that hasn't been a thing since this site launched *eyesrollouttahead*
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:55PM (1 child)
I have no idea if you are referring to liberals or conservatives here.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:57PM
I do, and if you do not, we know which one you are! Ha ha!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:27PM (2 children)
Why should we believe *anything* you spew?
You have an actual lie prominently displayed as your sig.
That indicates that *everything* you say is probably bullshit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @12:37AM
What do you mean "probably"?
--
We need to eat the babies! - some Runaway1956 at an AOC townhall meeting
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:29AM
He's a real piece of sh...work, isn't he?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @08:44PM (1 child)
Runaway is right, for once! You do not want conservatives thinking for them selves, 'cause they will do it wrong. Just take a look at Runaway's attempts to "think for himself"! Yep, all Faux News and talk radio, Russian I3E talking points, non-sequiturs and threats of violence, epic and total failure.
So it would be an improvement is conservatives could think like the rest of us, using reason, logic, fact-verification, source vetting, stuff like that. Why do conservatives equate opinions with thinking? Actually, they are opposites.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @01:52AM
Oxymoron, raises to the level of "military intelligence".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @03:29AM
Ah the persecution complex comes back. People use facts and logic and your response is "WAAAAH TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THOUGHTCRIME AND SEND US POOR RACISTS TO REEDUCATION CAMPS!!!"
All while you cheer on the concentration camps for immigrants and their children. You have sunk sooooo low you're gonna have to beg for forgiveness if you want anyone to give a shit about what you say.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Wednesday October 09 2019, @06:32AM
There's a much bigger problem that being born to the right family at the right time has a much bigger affect. Do you really think all those people who lost their jobs in 2008 were stupid or just in the wrong place?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @03:59PM (7 children)
Starting out is often a bumpy road. One lacks hands-on experience, including navigating office politics. A lucky few hit their stride early, but early struggles are common in my experience and observation.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:22PM (6 children)
All fine and good, but this study seems to point out that having effective safety nets that keep people from worrying about suddenly becoming homeless might have a net beneficial effect for the entire country. BuT DaSs SoCIaLisM! wargleburgle!!!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:50PM (5 children)
Correlation is not causation.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:27PM (2 children)
Yet that logic is perfectly fine for you to refute the article. #Facepalm
You really do suck at everything but perl huh? Maybe fishing, but I have a feeling that is just troll-whistling for your sexual activities.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 08 2019, @06:36PM (1 child)
I made no argument confusing correlation and causation. You really need to pay better attention.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:02PM
Yup, TMB is too dumb as usual, with a healthy mix of denial. Can't fix what never worked in the first place!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:42PM
Is that all your IQ was able to produce?
(Score: 2) by dry on Wednesday October 09 2019, @06:34AM
It often is. You get punched in the face and you feel pain, do you not consider the correlation or do you stupidly sit there wondering why the pain in the face?
(Score: 3, Informative) by bradley13 on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:21PM (5 children)
...wasn't there just recently a study that said "setbacks early in life lead to better success rates later"?
There are so many problems with these social science studies. To name a few:
- Confounding factors
- Confirmation bias
- p-hacking
And in this case, by far the most obvious: correlation vs. causation. It seems far more plausible that mental health problems lead to unstable incomes. Yet TFA apparently just assumes that it is the other way around. There is no mention of any attempt to determine the direction of causality - it is simply assumed.
As usual, social science...isn't.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 08 2019, @04:35PM (2 children)
(in my best imitation of a ditzy vacuous blonde female)
But, man, isn't social science like a social disease, or something?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @05:18PM
This is anti-blonde, anti-European racism. NOT FUNNY!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @12:47AM
best imitation of a blonde from someone who traded "Head and Shoulders" for "Mop and Glow".
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We need to eat the babies! - some Runaway1956 at an AOC townhall meeting
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday October 08 2019, @09:52PM (1 child)
Are you sure you're not being too critical of the soft sciences? I expect they're not that bad at science. Some of the apparent problems may be due to bad journalism, overstating the findings and leaving out important details.
There are many other studies that show this intuitive notion has merit. A program to help the homeless used to require that beneficiaries first demonstrate adequate mental health. Then they tried using housing to help with mental issues, and it was effective. Another improvement was no more "born on the wrong side of the tracks" with the change from steam to diesel electric train engines. Still another is the measurable drop in crime thanks to phasing out leaded gasoline.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 09 2019, @10:17AM
Are you sure of anything relevant to this discussion? Let us keep in mind that the simplest way to show causation wasn't done. There was no test at the beginning of the period in question, only at the end.
What would those studies be? And what makes the intuitive notion intuitive? One pretty much has finished growing up, including mental development, by the 23-35 age bracket.
(Score: 1) by brausch on Tuesday October 08 2019, @06:59PM (5 children)
"Young adults who experience annual income drops of 25 percent or more may be more at risk of having thinking problems and reduced brain health in middle age"
I'm not being negative or mean, just thinking that the data does not support or even imply the conclusion that "income volatility may have pervasive effects on health, ...". There certainly seems to be a correlation, but cause and effect is certainly not established, and may even be in the other direction. The authors may be correct in their conclusion, but it seems that more study would be required.
They are looking at the after-the-fact adults. Do they have a way to tell if those adults had similar thinking problems when younger? Then they could have said: "Young adults with thinking problems are more likely to experience annual income drops of 25 percent or more at least once."
IDK, just seems that the science here is kind of soft.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @07:19PM (3 children)
It is by definition soft science. But arm chair denials and hypotheses mean even less. Maybe there is something there, maybe not. I tend to think there is a real connection since plenty of studies already show direct correlations between childhood socio-economic status affecting long term development. It isn't simply the lack of money, more the insecurities and conditions brought about by such. Similar psychological phenomena can be found in PTSD survivors, stress has real effects.
More research needed.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 09 2019, @10:20AM (2 children)
Less than what? The conclusions are already solidly in this category.
23-35 years old is not childhood.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 09 2019, @02:33PM (1 child)
Eesh, I'll just inform you that your reading comprehension sucks.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 10 2019, @04:57AM
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08 2019, @10:47PM
Rrrright. Time to make it harder science. Take some millions of people in all countries and put them through hardship while young, see how they care after. The ACs on S/N demand it. Runaway and TMB too, so that's a legit request.