GitHub will keep selling software to ICE, leaked email says
Microsoft-owned GitHub will renew a $200,000 contract with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, despite concerns about the Trump administration's policies, according to a leaked email.
GitHub CEO Nat Friedman said in an internal email leaked to tech activist organization Fight for the Future that ICE purchased a license for a GitHub enterprise server in 2016, and that the purchase recently came up for renewal. In the email, Friedman said the company doesn't have an agreement to provide professional services to ICE, and it "has no visibility into how this software is being used, other than presumably for software development and version control."
[...] Friedman describes the $200,000 ICE contract as "not financially material" and says in the email that GitHub will donate $500,000 to nonprofits that support immigrant communities affected by Trump administration policies.
After the email was leaked, GitHub posted the full text in a blog post Wednesday morning. "At GitHub, we believe in empowering developers around the world," Friedman writes in a note. "We also believe in basic human rights and treating people with respect and dignity."
Providing software to ICE has become a flashpoint in the tech industry, as employees question how their work contributions will be used by the United States government. Hundreds of GitHub coders have signed on to a petition calling on Microsoft to stop providing services to ICE or they will "take our projects elsewhere."
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @12:51PM (17 children)
We're not red China but damn, what's wrong with legal businesses selling to the legal government?
It's more cowardly they are trying to buy off the SJWs with a tax-preferenced donation.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday October 14 2019, @05:32PM (15 children)
We should fix ICE. Then who sells what to whom doesn't matter anymore.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 14 2019, @05:42PM (5 children)
There's nothing wrong with ICE. Fix the laws that govern their behavior.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday October 14 2019, @05:58PM
That would be the obvious way to fix ICE, yes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @05:35AM (3 children)
"There is nithing wrong, here's how you fix it."
Par for this course.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:53AM (2 children)
Learn to English and brain. ICE is doing their job as legally required. If you don't like it, the answer is to change the legal requirements not to advocate that law enforcement officers break the law.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @02:43PM (1 child)
Develop a conscience already! Most sociopaths can't so I'm sorry for your handicap, but the restat least learn the "rules" well enough. You're probably too lazy and entitled, thinking your bestest brains know better.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 15 2019, @03:07PM
Are you saying you actually are one of those morons who think the government should be able to do whatever it likes instead of following the law? Wow. Just wow.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by The Shire on Monday October 14 2019, @06:27PM (8 children)
Fix the problem that makes ICE necessary. Fix the cities who harbor criminals. ICE isn't doing anything now that it wasn't doing under Clinton, Bush, or Obama. Don't let your chronic TDS distort your better judgement.
Legal immigration is not the problem, ILLEGAL immigration is. ICE doesn't go after law abiding legal immigrants. That agency exists because progressives don't understand boundaries, which is ironic because most of them live in gated communities. The only people who rationally have no problem with illegal aliens are people who also leave their front doors unlocked and open and don't bat an eye when total strangers wander in and start eating their food and taking cash out of their wallets.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @02:35AM
The cities that do not offer intentional cooperation to ICE are not the problem. ICE deciding to step up enforcement efforts without having provided adequate jail space for those detainees first are the problem. The overcrowding and conditions which lack basic human rights and shelter conditions - the kind that should be afforded even to criminals - is the problem. The President can fix that problem at any time by admitting that the overcrowding of those facilities is an emergency and reapportion money to them instead of building walls that an 8 year old can scale without a problem.
Even then, illegal immigration is not the problem. Or at least you can define what you think the problem is, exactly.
No, most progressives do not live in gated communities, or you can at least provide a neutral citation that proves your assertion.
Fear of the brown man is the problem. A President with the emotional capacity of a 5 year old and intelligence of a slow 12 year old stoking up unwarranted fear and anger at a convenient scapegoat is the problem.
The only people who rationally have a problem with the vast majority of illegal aliens are scared white people who think that they are coming to rape their women and steal their jobs. They kind of completely ignore the proven studies which suggest that illegal immigrants keep their heads down and are law abiding at far greater rates than that of the general public for the simple reason that if they are caught existing they are sent back and don't want that.
TL/DR: Amazing that every word you wrote there was wrong.
(Score: 2, Troll) by FatPhil on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:22AM (6 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by The Shire on Tuesday October 15 2019, @09:40AM (5 children)
What the hell are you talking about. There is a very clear, and legally defined, difference between an illegal and a legal immigrant. The US has the most permissive LEGAL immigration application system in the world, yet millions can't even be bothered to follow it. You don't become a legal immigrant by joining a caravan and storming the border. Every illegal alien in this country is an afront to those immigrants who actually follow the law.
The US is a country, it has laws, you break em, you risk the penalty. For an illegal immigrant that penalty is pretty minor - you get sent home. That's what ICE does. It's no different than the cop who writes you a traffic ticket or the FBI agent that throws you in jail for bank fraud.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:10AM (4 children)
I was 100% clear with my previous post. Any misunderstanding is entirely because of insufficient comprehension on your part.
> There is a very clear, and legally defined, difference between an illegal and a legal immigrant.
True, and irrelevant. Now reread what I actually posted.
Rest of post snipped, as it's as irrelevant as the premise preceding it.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by The Shire on Tuesday October 15 2019, @12:01PM (3 children)
Personal attacks tell me everything I need to know about you and how pointless any attempt at reasoned discussion with you would be.
Next time make a clear point and defend it.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:21PM (2 children)
most illegal immigration was legal immigration, and there's no magical way (in a supposedly free society) to tell when he latter has turned into the former.
Which bit of that did you not understand the first time?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday October 15 2019, @02:59PM (1 child)
I must admit that it took me a minute to parse it out. But very insightful and I went backed and modded your parent post so.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday October 15 2019, @03:27PM
Had the hollow ringing persisted, I was thinking of following up with this little riddle:
Q: What's responsible for the majority of illegal immigration in the US?
A: The sun.
But I'm guessing that would wooosh right past his head and over the horizon.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @11:27PM
Are you actually sure about that? I mean, going beyond just the terminology and looking at the impact on the life of the people in the two places.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Shire on Monday October 14 2019, @01:17PM (11 children)
Where does it end? Should Github terminate access to communist China? Or Russia? Or any of the dozens of 3rd world dictatorships? If you want to deny access to a legal government agency because current policy makes you feel bad, then you shouldn't be in the cloud services game. GitHub should be politically agnostic just as software is. Should the GPL now include a codicil denying a license to anyone who holds opinions that somehow offend the authors tendies?
(Score: 5, Informative) by J_Darnley on Monday October 14 2019, @02:53PM (3 children)
Have you seen some the shit being pushed by progressives lately?
https://github.com/lerna/lerna/pull/1616 [github.com] https://github.com/lerna/lerna/pull/1633 [github.com]
https://itsfoss.com/hippocratic-license/ [itsfoss.com]
Those are the two most recent "incidents" that I can remember since the creation of that " Contributor Covenant" document.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:16PM
We have to kill open source to save it. Or at least, to allow dangerhairs to leech off the corpse.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Shire on Monday October 14 2019, @06:03PM (1 child)
Madness.
She is certainly free to release any code she exclusively wrote using that obscene "hippocratic license". But she sure as hell can't rerelease modified GPL code that way. The SJW movement is a cancer to everything it touches. Software is agnostic, let it stay that way.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:36AM
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:28PM (3 children)
In other words, you're perfectly fine with IBM having worked closely with the Nazis, then, right?
I know, I know, it's not the same thing; after all, its not like ICE is rounding people up into concentration camps or anything...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:53PM (2 children)
True. ICE does not put people in concentration camps.
But if you don't like their current living conditions, maybe a few of the criminals should be relocated to your house. Do you have a few spare bunk beds?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @05:02PM (1 child)
Good, then by your logic you'd have no problem staying there because it's all so safe and managed so well, right?
I would have absolutely no problem with a vetted asylum applied for family staying with me. It would be far safer than putting out ads for boarders. At an average cost of $133.99 per day I'd very happily allow an ankle-braceleted person who has had a medical screen from a licensed physican stay with me. In fact, the more the merrier, maybe a 100 bed hotel and pick up a nice 40,000 per month.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday October 14 2019, @05:04PM
Oh, wait, I missed a decimal place. 100 persons could generate $401,970 per month. Yeah, I think I could afford to run a motel with food service on that.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 14 2019, @04:23PM
It will end where Microsoft, as the owner of Github, wants it to end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @07:45PM
and after that internet IDs and social credit. can't let all the baddies use MShub, ya know.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @08:22PM
Github isn't available in China and is partially censored in Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub [wikipedia.org]
Any nation with sanctions is blocked from Github. That includes Iran and Venezuela.
It is. Software is heavily political. It's very existence as a separate entity from the hardware that people can run arbitrarily is a political issue.
It already does in the liability section. Mental grievances and such...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Monday October 14 2019, @01:22PM (18 children)
github is microsoft's and you need them to help out ICE before boycotting them? LOL. wait until they discover that the internet is a military project fallen into the hand of multinationals.
democracy is one thing, propagandocracy is another.
If you are in a pitifully indirect democracy (which I keep as a somewhat exotic possibility) you pressure your representative or GTFO it the next elections. That is, ICE is the problem than ICE must change. I could argue that the direction you want change to happen in is the very realization of the one world order, but such is democracy.
If you are in a propagandocracy you blindly adhere to the campaign somebody else orchestrates for who knows which ultimate goals.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @02:48PM (7 children)
The special snowflakes don't like ICE, can you fault them?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 14 2019, @03:24PM (6 children)
I prefer to make yellow snow. No sense being able to write your name in the snow if you don't exercise the ability.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 14 2019, @04:47PM (5 children)
Because, what's next? "TMB was here" carved in the bark of the trees because "TMB exercised the ability, thus Killroy was here makes sense?"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 14 2019, @05:43PM (4 children)
You, sir, are an insult to your penis.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 14 2019, @10:20PM (3 children)
Reminder: in Australia, you need to take long travels to get to snow. Longer than waiting to the wrong side of a toilet door, even longer than is healthy to lock your piss in.
Unlike a kid who believes the dick is just for pissing, I'm at an age I'm sure of that. I just don't feel the urge to inform the public I still have one use for it.
But, if your IQ pushes you into it, whatever floats your boat. (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 14 2019, @10:49PM (2 children)
I didn't say you have to always write in the snow... That would be impractical outside Antarctica. It is, however, a moral imperative that it be done at least occasionally. Preferably every time the opportunity presents itself without the risk of police involvement.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @02:46PM (1 child)
Paging the FBI
Maybe the CIA or NSA can get in on this?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 15 2019, @03:09PM
I think you'd have to at least whiz on a congressman to get the feds involved but thanks for your concern.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 14 2019, @04:34PM (9 children)
Important note: one man's propagandocracy is another man's free speech.
Free speech is not bound solely to the political arena, calls to boycott a company (among many others) is still free speech.
Perhaps you should think a bit before you begin sliding onto hypocrisy.
Hmmm... I wonder why this Bot guy needs another nebulous term for astroturfing?
What could be his ultimate goals and should I like them enough to adhere to them willingly? Probably not, he's a tinhead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday October 15 2019, @12:33PM (8 children)
Once upon a time I saw an entire class wearing the same brand. They had no uniform enforced so they are free to wear whatever. But they did not exercise their freedom probably because of peer pressure and ads. In the same way, when the supposed freedom results in one way of thinking and one way of ignoring reality, I would posit that some other factors are at play.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday October 15 2019, @01:04PM (7 children)
Oh, wow! And those factors must be nefarious, a Bot is infallible, knows all the circumstances and you can trust it's always right when it rubbishes something... right?
Like, you know, taking another example, having an amateur team adopting the same jersey color on the field must be either an imposition or a brainwash of some sorts, not the absolute pragmatic reason of lowering the time/effort taken by the visual recognition of your team mates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday October 15 2019, @05:12PM (6 children)
I see you are agreeing with me, they wear the same color because of an extra factor.
That the extra factor is not good is to be judged on an individual base, but it is beyond all doubt that
1. NGO lied describing as desperate survivors persons picked on lybian shore.
2. NGO is doing a concorso esterno in associazione mafiosa, which is a nebulous but effective way to fight mafias by assuming that everybody doing the mafioso a favour is not a random acting kind person but part of the organization. yet no action is taken. Maybe the same people financing NGOs and Italian political parties has something to do with it?
3. A mafia boss went on intercepted tape saying "we make more money with immigration than drug smuggling"
4. while terrorists are clearly acting in the interest of USrael, normal Islam is an expansionist totalitarian movement for which the left propaganda should have no support. Leftists are paving the way for a technocratic reaction or a theocratic solution, depending on whom wins the civil war. Integration is impossible because there is no cultural heritage left to integrate on both sides. Culture is not academia, nor financed works of art on the theme if the day.
Or maybe you are one of the Smarties that know that immigration as a solution to world poverty is infeasible but want to reshape society for the greater good. The same way most atrocities take place.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday October 15 2019, @09:38PM (5 children)
Not quite. For the general case, one would need to consider the existence of many factors concurring to the effect, some of them being even necessary. Of course, one can't even discount a 'pure chance' explanation for some simple cases.
I think you have a problem whenever using those 'beyond doubt' words. I'm certainly not inclined to let my doubts aside and I believe that anyone should do the same to qualify for a "rational being" status.
Which NGO was that? What was the exact wording used in the description?
Beat me if I understand what the heck you mean, I'm missing all the context. I'm gonna assume you insinuate a certain NGO and part of the political class in Italy is corrupt.
Plausible.
Non sequiturs, strawman-s, slippery slopes, FUD, guilt by association and either ambiguous terms or pure babble masquerading as profound; all in no or weak semantic coherence. Unless you want to try again and address the shortfalls, I'm gonna file all of it on the 'mediocre propaganda' shelf.
One on top of the other, thank you for your time in providing the answer, as indirect as it may be, to my question of "and should I like them enough to adhere to them willingly?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday October 16 2019, @12:43AM (4 children)
1. ragusa, sicily, august 2019, NGO is called Open Arms, officially declares 'sanitary emergency' aboard, 13 persons have to be disembarked. Doctors exam result: one guy with otitis. http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/rapporto-che-smentisce-allarmi-sanitari-niente-patologie-1741251.html [ilgiornale.it] et al.
a guy publishes a video that says ngo ship pick migrants near the Libyan coast and 'rescue' them to Italy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP4rYgJKo_w [youtube.com] earning himself a debunker piece that debunks everything but the fact that the boats pick migrants near the Libyan coast and 'rescue' them to Italy https://www.vice.com/it/article/4xp45q/analisi-video-verita-sui-migranti-luca-donadel [vice.com]
2. Interior minister salvini stops ngo ship from discharging migrants to italian port, gets formally accused of KIDNAPPING people. Is this example simpler to follow? You get the difference between removing the freedom to move and deny entry, which is an obvious political propaganda move but yet is the full prerogative of the head of the police for normal people, guess when the guys are illegal and probably accompanied by mafiosi supervisors?
3. also, true.
4. not a theorem, an observation. Free to not believe in the future projections, in fact, please state your idea of the future for the record. To help you be more original, I'll let you know that leftists here are advocating an EU under the leadership of one president directly elected, oppa USA style. By having removed the barriers among nations, EU citizens will be all well off, diverse, safe and numerous, since citizenship is going to be awarded easily.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 16 2019, @01:34AM (3 children)
It will be bad and regrettable no matter what one thinks, believes or does.
And that's an intellectual shortcut that I picked just for the sake of allowing myself to be pleasantly surprised in compensation for being wrong.
Since I'm no longer living there, I think is fair for me to abstain from hinting one way or another. Their choice, they'll live with it.
Do you intend to present this as "in addition to the elected president matter" or as a consequence of it?
If the second, I'm afraid I don't quite follow the causal relationship.
If the first, my feeling of guts is it has better chances to result in something less bad than the opposite. On the ground that competition admits an extreme (like in "extremely competitive environ" and I've seen the deleterious effects such an environ can bring), but I never heard of an "extremely cooperative environ" (even if I heard and seen "cooperative environs") - therefore the "room to wiggle" seems larger in the second case (in brief, it seems "competition" reaches a saturation point faster than "cooperation")
Meh, that's just one way to try getting to "all well off, diverse, safe and numerous".
Yet another would be Bots ceasing to waste their time on S/N and dedicate that time in procreating more (but that's not gonna happen, does it?)
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As for the first 3 points, it seems that you are make the case of "lybian immigrants are brought in by Mafia and corruption, therefore they are all bad".
If that's indeed what you are trying to say, I'll simply point that "logically, it doesn't follow" (it may be they are all bad for a host of many other reasons, but again it may not be). As such, it's irrelevant to the matter and likely presented to obfuscate the position and to further Bot's goals (i.e. Bot uses propaganda techniques).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday October 16 2019, @07:19PM (2 children)
>>By having removed the barriers among nations, EU citizens will be all well off, diverse, safe and numerous, ...
>Do you intend to present this as "in addition to the elected president matter" or as a consequence of it?
It's a common propaganda given, and so unchallenged, meme: we had wars because people had different flags faiths and idea. By homogenization, and I underline homo, peace and prosperity is reached. Never mind that in WWI soldiers have been executed because they refused to kill the guys on the other side of the mountain, because hey they are friends.
>>since citizenship is going to be awarded easily.
>Meh, that's just one way to try getting to "all well off, diverse, safe and numerous".
Sure, worked so well for the roman empire. Look at the correlation easy citizenship/crisis. A correlated with B does not prove A => B but proves B does not imply A, so you cannot make people well off exclusively by diluting citizenship.
>As for the first 3 points, it seems that you are make the case of "lybian immigrants are brought in by Mafia and corruption, therefore they are all bad"
They are not bought in by the mafia, the mafia is the part of the system that obeys money outside the law, while the police and the army obey politics, therefore obey money, inside the law. Mafia deals drugs because drugs are made precious by the law. Immigrants make money because of the system too. I guess the low ranked mafiosi are pretty pissed to be losing territory this way too.
The migrants aren't even bad. They are opportunists and I can't blame them. We do the same when we leave for greener pastures. It is the end of the leftist revolution, but that was just a way to justify the demolition of some classes and economic circuits. The brightest among the migrants know that something is off, and I routinely discuss the dangers of immigration with older immigrants.
>I'll simply point that "logically, it doesn't follow"
No prob, it's not even written down.
>Bot's goals
If I needed to further goals I would not lose time replying when the story has likely been browsed by most readership.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 16 2019, @08:59PM (1 child)
My meta-point in all the discussion above: it's so easy to use (even by only imitation) propaganda techniques that one may get to use them even without an intention or an actual purpose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday October 17 2019, @02:33PM
Sure, but propaganda is the purpose, inherently independent by the accuracy of the facts employed. The best propaganda uses the truth, see satan in genesis.
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(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @02:15PM (7 children)
Oh yeah? Where would you host your projects (on someone else's dime)? Your VPS? Tencent's Github clone? A Patreon'ed SJWHub, no wrong think 'llowed?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @02:46PM
Where's the list of these projects so I can avoid them. In the future I don't want to prove that I'm SJW to use their code. Toxic mind think from the developer is bad for code. (See: Pottering) I don't have time for stupid. To change America; GO VOTE! If your party looses then shut up for a few years and try again.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Monday October 14 2019, @02:46PM (3 children)
I don't usually host my projects publicly, but when I do, I use one of:
- https://savannah.gnu.org/ [gnu.org] or https://savannah.nongnu.org/ [nongnu.org]
- Free gitlab plan [gitlab.com]
- free bitbucket.org [bitbucket.org]
- self-hosted https://gogs.io/ [gogs.io] or https://gitea.io/en-us/ [gitea.io] or https://allura.apache.org/ [apache.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Monday October 14 2019, @04:13PM
Yeah, source control isn't exactly a monopoly.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @05:49PM (1 child)
But can you use those platforms to virtue signal and testify your wokeness?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @06:03PM
Wokeness signalling often happens at the project level. So even if they self-host, people can get inside to cause trouble.
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Monday October 14 2019, @06:04PM (1 child)
They'll make their own hosting repository....with blackjack, and hookers!
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 14 2019, @08:32PM
Hookers aren't allowed. Men like hookers, so they must be evil.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @02:58PM (13 children)
Where were all these activists when Obama was doing the exact same thing as Trump is doing now - enforcing border control through the laws that already exist!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:04PM
Black man good. Orange man bad.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:05PM (8 children)
Ah the false equivalence. What's wrong little buddy, conscience bothering you? You can probably feed that anorexic cricket to your prez and be done with it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:57PM
lol
https://www.fastcompany.com/90362768/obama-staffers-deleted-immigration-crisis-speeches-ice-website-before-trump [fastcompany.com]
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Monday October 14 2019, @06:30PM (5 children)
I used to be a democrat. I was appalled at the Constitutional violations from the GWB admin as well as the warhawk culture. Then Obama was elected and when he continued and extended the very same policies, the media went silent. It was as if the practices didn't matter -- only who did the practices. It's absolutely unforgivable of both the DNC and the media, and we still see it: Ellen hangs out with GWB and many correctly excoriate her. But who excoriates those who hang with Obama? Nobody. Absolutely nobody.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @07:13PM
We do. I'm sure a lot of others do. But the MSM won't mention it, let alone stoke a controversy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @07:49PM (3 children)
and i never thought i'd see the day that the democrats and republicans switched positions on war. ole trumpy's talking about pulling out troops and the democrats and all their disgusting propagandists are freaking out. it's surreal.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @09:42PM (1 child)
Why don't you ask the Kurds about that one?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @09:53PM
Kurds: "Same shit, different day."
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday October 15 2019, @08:52AM
Trump's talking, or at least tweeting, about "hitting [them] harder than they have ever been hit before".
So far this year, the number of American airdropped missiles and bombs in Afghanistan is set to meet or possibly outpace the 7,362 munitions launched in 2018. The most ordnance dropped before 2018, according to Air Force data compiled since 2006, was in 2011 at the height of American military presence in the country, with 5,411 munitions.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:41AM
You sure showed him with that quality contradiction!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:10PM
Working for a living because the deep state and the democrat party weren't gushing propaganda funds yet? St. Obama was their guy in power.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @08:45PM (1 child)
Not only that. THAT is when the contracts originated!
They do not give a damn about *what* is going on. Only 'who' is doing it. If I thought they really cared I might actually like their ideas. Instead it is little more than grandstanding and looking like pouting losers.
The bottom line is as a nation we can not take in 2k of people per week and help them. We need to help them in place. The issue is where they come from and bringing them here makes the situation there even worse. Then for a cherry on top these people are exploited all along the line. Rape, murder, theft. They are promised a better life if they just come here. Then are threatened to keep in line or be turned in. They are then exploited again with over worked, under paying jobs, and extortion. But yes lets blame ICE for upholding the very laws the democrats helped put in place. What happened to the 50 BILLION they put in place to build the wall? Where did it go?
"but who will clean our toilets?" -- kelly osborn. That about sums up how these elitist pricks think of these people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @11:11PM
It's more proof that if the progressive left didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @03:02PM (1 child)
Can't say I'm surprised to see the little Nazi boys crying about this article. MS has always been about the money, so not surprised to see them sell to concentration camp douche bros. At least these new Nazis were neutered young so they can't quite work their way up to Desth Camps. "If it worked for IBM we can surely make a few bucks off the poor taxpayers forced to fund these pricks, hahaha!"
Murrica, fuck no.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:59PM
Are you okay? Do you have brain damage? There are no Nazis here and there are no concentration camps.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 14 2019, @11:10PM (5 children)
Of course I like ICE. They protect my nation. We all have a duty to help ICE.
There are just a few major things about ICE that are disgusting:
1. Sometimes the fugitives are released on bail. WTF. They almost never show up for trial, which should be obvious.
2. ICE appears to know where fugitives are and could thus go grab them today, but mostly that doesn't happen.
3. ICE needs to subpoena the obvious culprits ASAP. For example, some universities have special assistance for what they dishonestly call "undocumented students". Go subpoena that shit, then go to town rounding them all up. It's a duty to the nation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @02:28AM (4 children)
Stop posting lies.
https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings [humanrightsfirst.org]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:55AM (3 children)
You might want to learn the difference between an asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:49AM (2 children)
I think the term illegal immigrant is a misnomer. A person who enters territory surreptitiously and without the consent of the people through the government is an invader and a criminal in my view. These are not immigrants as immigrants enter through "the front door" together with documentation to describe themselves. These are also not asylum seekers as they also enter through "the front door" together with their documentation to describe themselves. Undocumented people are criminals under the law.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 15 2019, @03:03PM (1 child)
Asylum seekers often do not enter through the front door, no. Sneaking out of your country of origin often means a method of conveyance that is stealthy and illegal on the other end as well.
As for the term "illegal immigrant"? If they're moving here to live, work, play, etc... they're immigrants; that's what the word means. "Illegal" covers the "criminal" part just fine. Now if they're here for some other reason, that's another matter.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @10:57PM
I imagine the issue of migration into the land to be equal to migration in your specific domicile. A person can sneak in through the window can request asylum from their oppression. You will then decide the asylum request by investing the details of the refugee's situation of oppression. When you approve, they will live in your house and if you disapprove, you detain them and call the police. An invader will sneak into your house and cannot justify themselves as refugees fleeing from oppression. They might want to live/play/work in your house for the long term but that doesn't change the fact that they entered without your consent and deserve to be taken away for being an unlawful invader.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:31AM (3 children)
Only in clown world, would an invasion have anything to do with respect, dignity, and human rights.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @11:52AM
It's too bad they don't believe in the basic human right to control our own borders. Undocumented peoples invading the land are just like undocumented strangers showing up in your home and demanding entry with the claim of "the basic human right to dignity".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 15 2019, @02:50PM (1 child)
But in clown world the president takes racist idiots like you seriously. Didn't expect you to be anti trump.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 15 2019, @03:04PM
You need to look up the term "race". It's not a wildcard for whatever you want it to mean.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.