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More Americans struggle to fall asleep, stay asleep
Getting the recommended seven to eight hours of sleep every night is a struggle for most people, but even those who do may not have the best sleep.
New research from Iowa State University finds more Americans have trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. The changes were independent of sleep duration, and difficulties were most prevalent in people with healthy sleep length, the findings show. The study, published in the journal Sleep Health, is one of the first to look at how multiple dimensions of sleep health change over time.
Zlatan Krizan, professor of psychology, and his research team analyzed data collected from nearly 165,000 individuals from 2013 to 2017, as part of the National Health Interview Survey. Over the course of five years, adults who reported at least one day a week with difficulty falling asleep increased by 1.43% and those reporting at least one day with trouble staying asleep increased by 2.70%. While the percentages may seem small, Krizan says based on 2018 population estimates this means as many as five million more Americans are experiencing some sleep difficulties.
"Indeed, how long we sleep is important, but how well we sleep and how we feel about our sleep is important in its own right," Krizan said. "Sleep health is a multidimensional phenomenon, so examining all the aspects of sleep is crucial for future research."
Garrett C. Hisler, Diana Muranovic, Zlatan Krizan. Changes in sleep difficulties among the U.S. population from 2013 to 2017: results from the National Health Interview Survey. Sleep Health, 2019; DOI: 10.1016/j.sleh.2019.08.008
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 13 2019, @11:58AM (2 children)
From the original abstract
Just to head off the assumption that its fatties getting fatter and uncomfortable and joint pains or diabetes problems or whatever. Presumably if NOT correcting for health, and health only gets worse over time, the results would be even worse overall.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @12:01PM
Do 'em a favor an' kill'em. I mean, put 'em ter sleep.
(Score: 2, Funny) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 13 2019, @02:15PM
You're way off.
You're supposed to fire up a fatty, a spliff, a guaranteed cure for insomnia.
And we have to be more flexible with our time.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @12:14PM (8 children)
Throw out the alarm clock. I've used one like 20 times in the last decade, it isn't normal to wake up to a stressful siren every morning.
(Score: 2) by esperto123 on Wednesday November 13 2019, @02:19PM (6 children)
Not everyone can do that, specially if you consider places were leaving home just a few minutes late can cause you to arrive late by 20, 30 min or even one hour.
I'd say that it is better for people to try to schedule their sleep in order to wake up by themselves just before the alarm, i.e., try to know your own sleep patterns and how long do you need to sleep to wake by yourself and work backwards to know the time to go to bed.
But even then there people that still will not be able to do it, for example if you have really small children.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @04:14PM
Well that is up to their own life decisions. If good sleep is important you will prioritize that over the other stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @05:23PM (4 children)
So, go the fuck to sleep earlier.
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:20PM (1 child)
If only that was so easy. Stop trying to cram the day with several more things that just have to be done before going to bed. I'd go as far as getting rid of artificial lighting. But if you have family, and they won't give up their late hour habits, what can you do?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 14 2019, @05:22AM
No, it really is that easy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:27PM (1 child)
I used to work 12 hour shifts at a mine, between that and the 1.25h of commute back and forth you're pounding out a 16 hour day. Between regular and special stressors and demand for constant vigilance there you were spun the fuck out, and it was easy to miss sleep. I was one of the most hygienic sleepers out there and I still probably only averaged 6. And there's also schedules like the DuPont where you do baffling shit throughout the month to catastrophic ends so the company can skate out of what should be 8 hours of OT every week. Hell week for example, is a day to night swing with "one" day off - which is more or less sleeping for a day and a half if you're lucky.
So no, it's not so simple as you might think, genius.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:52PM
That is your choice. Get a different job if you care so much about sleep.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Thursday November 14 2019, @05:01AM
> it isn't normal to wake up to a stressful siren every morning.
But it is normal, presumably, to wake up to birds chirping?
I need an alarm to wake up, but it's an incredibly quiet one. It gradually increases in volume, but I usually wake up before the sound is even consciously noticeable (I suppose my subconscious can hear it).
I agree that giving yourself a heart attack every morning isn't healthy, but that's no reason to dismiss "alarm" clocks entirely. There are tons of "natural" alarm clocks now, that play nature sounds or whatever.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday November 13 2019, @12:22PM (17 children)
Put this in the category with the gut biome research.
Science is proving that the two things our system makes it most difficult to do, micromanage your diet and ensure stable sleep patterns, are the key to longevity and happiness.
Not to mention the continued threat of destruction at the push of a button, continued war escalations, and the threat of the dissolution of all institutions that provide stability whatsoever, it seems to me that our system is designed with the opposite in mind.
anti-humanism is a thing now. There is no one making any decisions for society right now who cares a single bit whatsoever about how much poor people sleep or whether they can manage their gut biome.
Humans at this point who are gung ho for this form of civilization and technology are like the facepainted crowds cheering human sacrifices in the movie Apocalypto....hm maybe Ill make a meme comparing trump rallies to that movie...hold my beer....
thesesystemsarefailing.net
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @12:27PM (10 children)
I await your glorious rise to power to tell me how I should eat and sleep.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @12:57PM (8 children)
How about labor theory of value with a system that retains market dynamics? Central planning for the socialist utopia sure, for big industries--the kinds of products and services that wind up being monopolies anyway. I'm still on the idea of a more anarchist system for fostering innovation yet with small industries--the startups under capitalism.
Has anybody out there designed a simulator of exchange theory of value and capitalist forms of property that could be adapted to labor theory of value and socialist forms of property? Obviously such a simulator would need to verify the inherent contradictions of capitalism, so that with socialist economic rules it might expose inherent contradictions of socialism. Nothing is perfect, so I'd be very suspicious of not being thorough enough if there weren't inherent, systemic contradictions.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:21PM
We already have all that. The labor theory of value turned out to be worthless. The system with market dynamics turned out otherwise.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:33PM (6 children)
There's real world central planning examples. I don't know of any other sort of implementation of Marxist ideas that isn't heavily mixed with capitalism. If there's going to be a simulator, there needs to be a model of the dynamics - which frankly I think is a large part of the problem with these concepts.
But if I were to try, I suppose I'd try a simultaneous optimization problem where parties try to optimize for various economic things and see what happens. Some part would be altruists trying to optimize for societal benefit (perhaps even their perception of such) and some would be defectors (from the societal goals) trying to optimize for a variety of selfish interests (like wealth, power, etc), and see what happens. I think there would be educational systemic contradictions like the altruists faring worse than the selfish interests.
(Score: 2) by aiwarrior on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:59PM (4 children)
Your post touches what 2 points i have been thinking are key to understanding why people tend to socialism:
1> Perceived social benefit is the actual goal to be optimized, not social benefit itself.
2> It is most likely that market based selfishness has the highest global benefit but lowes perceived benefit, and why people try to go away from it.
3> It does not matter: Socialist societies will veer to Capitalism, and Capitalist societies will veer to Socialism, meaning that a meta-stability will arise in a real world, in the form of current western societies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @04:54PM (3 children)
Late stage socialism: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Another-SF-day-Another-assault-by-a-deranged-man-14454289.php [sfchronicle.com]
One of the most expensive places to live in the world... where you are at risk of crazed homeless people dragging you out of your car and dumping a bucket of diareah they have been storing up for weeks or months on your head. Socialism always ends in an overclass and underclass like this, as the middle class flees.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @04:57PM
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/11/12/homeless-man-hollywood-dumped-bucket-diarrhea-woman-hes-back-street/ [hotair.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Wednesday November 13 2019, @05:47PM (1 child)
California? Socialist? What planet are you on?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @06:45PM
LOL, nazis weren't socialist either right? They were just all about government meddling in every aspect of people's lives.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 14 2019, @02:58AM
It doesn't matter if you're Marxist, terrorist, or both, everything is capitalism [indiatimes.com] [turn off scripting]. The idealism is so 19th century.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:43PM
See the twisted mind on display.
Jm is certainly pessimistic, there are many people who care
It is just that the system has been corrupted so we have an outsized influence by assholes
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:09PM
jmichael stresses over things that just don't make much sense to me. The threat of destruction at the push of a button? Crap - it's been that way for all of my 63 years on this planet. Did that stop me learning to ride a tricycle, then a bicycle, then a motorcycle? Helllll NO! Those commie pinkos in Moscow couldn't scare ME!
Chill, dude. You worry too much. That's why you write so much incomprehensible nonsense on your sites.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:19PM (2 children)
What war escalations? It's been pretty mild since the end of the Cold War and that's including half a dozen or so big wars and a few genocides. Things have gone remarkably well from the situation in the first half of the 20th Century.
Why should it ever be their decision to make? Those poor people can make decisions as well.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Friday November 15 2019, @11:56AM (1 child)
spoken like a true zionist
As long as israel gets to steal some more land this week and harvey weinstein can safely rehabilitate his image, the rest of the world can burn and you sleep well.
Other people aren't as awful as you, so they see the world differently.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 15 2019, @02:17PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:49PM (1 child)
You forgot to mention our precious bodily fluids.
(Score: 2) by Webweasel on Thursday November 14 2019, @11:27AM
Purity Of Essence
Priyom.org Number stations, Russian Military radio. "You are a bad, bad man. Do you have any other virtues?"-Runaway1956
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday November 13 2019, @12:52PM (4 children)
'More Americans struggle to fall asleep as they realize their country is making every single possible mistake of failed historical civilizations, and that by paying their taxes they are obviously implicated in what they were taught as children are war crimes.'
'More Americans wake up screaming in the night realizing that the only thing preventing their future of working a demeaning manual labor job until they die is the functioning of a financial system that has no justification in reality or history of stability.'
'Also, epstein's escape from prison and the continued coverup is not helping matters in nightmare department.'
FTFY
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @02:23PM (1 child)
More Americans wake up screaming in the night realizing that the only thing preventing their future of working a demeaning manual labor job until they die is the fact those manual labor jobs will all be filled by machines that never eat, never sleep, and most importantly never unionize.
FTFY
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday November 14 2019, @04:40AM
Someone needs to dub that into this clip: "And it absolutely will not, stop, ever, [youtube.com] until that happens."
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday November 13 2019, @10:42PM (1 child)
Let me guess, 'tis called "living the American Dream", yes? (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday November 14 2019, @08:54AM
What we have now is epsteins's dream.
If there is ever any american dream again depends on if the people being paid to defend america do their jobs or not.
Right now, the odds are they will not do their jobs and there will be some kind of purge to get everyone who isn't epstein friendly out so that rapiscan and carbyne can cement the sell out of the united states into place.
After that when you report your daughter missing, it will be routed first through epstein himself and when he sends someone to kill you that person's weapon won't show up on the scanner.
We already know the new york times and cnn won't report it, so enjoy being erased from history at that point.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @02:22PM (3 children)
At least a total of 8 hours is best[1] but it doesn't have to be consecutive:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16964783 [bbc.com]
https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-used-to-sleep-in-two-shifts-maybe-we-should-again [sciencealert.com]
[1] https://www.popsci.com/how-many-hours-sleep-do-you-actually-need/ [popsci.com]
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 13 2019, @03:44PM (1 child)
Your sleep should be eight hours
Your shift should be six hours
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @04:18PM
How about just sleep whenever you feel like it? Just like every other animal?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:52PM
It's probably adaptable. Sleep is regulated by the circadian rhythms which are in turn related to environmental cues. The sleep/wake cycle has been tied to melatonin release, the process is photosensitive, thus depending on the ratio of night day and the actual exposure to sunlight would alter the release of melatonin. To suggest so swiftly from a singular study that the optimal pattern is a 4x2 - especially when the results are derived from an aberrant experiment - is foolhardy. You can say surely, that on average the neurotypical person with a nominal endocrine profile is most likely to exhibit a 4x2 sleeping pattern when placed in a vacuum.
I'd postulate the increasing demand from work and social pressures (positive and negative) as well as personal development all leave a pretty small void left for any sort of slack. More or less the temporal choke chain is wrapping increasingly tight as the majority attempts to live life to its fullest. Naturally it doesn't help that we can constantly consume the novel at the touch of our fingers. FOMO constantly consumes people, even if you find it mediocre you'd surely want to watch GoT to make sure you could participate in the conversation. Gotta watch your favorite influencer's new video so you can tell your buddies all about the virtues of heat treated lumber and the new brushless Makita. Oh and now you just remembered you forgot to plug in your wireless earbuds, which you need for the hour and a half commute, and the eight hours of work. And you've gotta put in that OT so you can fly to Boca this summer so you can take pictures and flex for those sweeties back home. Oh and you're still a hopeless single male in a 1-bedroom apartment with a degree that you're paying on that isn't paying you. The tone that Ted used today when he was addressing you at the meeting sounded sour, I hope it was an accident, not one of those microtics that give away what he was thinking, I need this job. What would I do if I lost my job right now? I'd lose my car, I can barely afford insurance. I wish I could go to the doctor this insomnia is killing me. I need to get to sleep, I need to sleep or I'm going to perform like shit at work. I'm so stressed out that I can't sleep right now. I'm angry I can't sleep. Fuck I wish I could sleep.
Oh and that's without the pressure to smash gallons of caffeinated beverages of any variety into your frail little body. Mind you the /half/-life of that shit is like 8 hours. Some people go real overboard with it, too.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @04:02PM (1 child)
Part of the point of sleep is to clear out the Amalyoid Beta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyloid_beta [wikipedia.org]
The brain can't really do a good job clearing it out while you're awake but a small nap during mid-day will go a long ways towards clearing out a lot of it as much of it can clear out relatively quickly (it probably clears out faster while still in high concentrations, clear out rates slow down as the concentrations become lower? The clear out rate is probably not linear with time that is).
It's bad for Amaloid Beta to build up for prolonged periods of time without being cleared out so getting longer hours of sleep over longer intervals of non-sleep isn't necessarily as beneficial as interrupting your wake with a small nap every once in a while just to clear the toxin out. What you want is shorter intervals of wake, even if you are simply interrupting it with a small nap mid-day.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 13 2019, @10:47PM
See also siesta [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 4, Informative) by corey on Thursday November 14 2019, @01:21AM
I think what helps are:
1. Get daily exercise including some sort of cardio. Run, cycle, etc. Then you are physically tired.
2. No phones, TV, screens an hour before bed. Read a book, magazine.
2a. Leave your phone on the other side of the house at night, not next to your bed. Keep the ringtone low so you don't hear it.
3. Don't install hundreds of blue tint "cool" LEDs in your house. Warm lighting, kept at low intensity is required before bed. Incandescent is ideal.
4. Eat healthy diet including lots of fibre. East your veggies and fruit and nuts/legumes.
5. A cup of warm chamomile tea at night. No caffeine after 4pm.
I do most of this and I sleep like a log every night. Everyone I know who had sleep problems sleeps with their phone next to their head, plays with it in bed.
Sleep is your time to be alone and calm, not to be interrupted by anyone unless it's an emergency.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 15 2019, @06:51AM
When I have a bad case of insomnia, I just go out into the garage, start the car, & let it idle. Puts me to sleep within minutes.