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posted by martyb on Monday December 02 2019, @07:09AM   Printer-friendly
from the from-the-"be-careful-what-you-vote-for"-department dept.

Once upon a time in a strange land (actually, Indiana in 1897) the government tried to pass a law making pi = 3.2.

Ohio is now trying to pass a law doing the impossible — require the implanting of ectopic pregnancies.

A bill to ban abortion introduced in the Ohio state legislature requires doctors to “reimplant an ectopic pregnancy” into a woman’s uterus – a procedure that does not exist in medical science – or face charges of “abortion murder”.

This is the second time practising obstetricians and gynecologists have tried to tell the Ohio legislators that the idea is currently medically impossible.

The move comes amid a wave of increasingly severe anti-abortion bills introduced across much of the country as conservative Republican politicians seek to ban abortion and force a legal showdown on abortion with the supreme court.

Ohio’s move on ectopic pregnancies – where an embryo implants on the mother’s fallopian tube rather than her uterus rendering the pregnancy unviable – is one of the most extreme bills to date.

“I don’t believe I’m typing this again but, that’s impossible,” wrote Ohio obstetrician and gynecologist Dr David Hackney on Twitter. “We’ll all be going to jail,” he said.

The new Ohio HB413, p.184: To avoid criminal charges, including murder, for abortion, a physician must “…[attempt to] reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the women’s uterus”

and

“There is no procedure to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy,” said Dr Chris Zahn, vice-president of practice activities at the American College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. “It is not possible to move an ectopic pregnancy from a fallopian tube, or anywhere else it might have implanted, to the uterus,” he said.

“Reimplantation is not physiologically possible. Women with ectopic pregnancies are at risk for catastrophic hemorrhage and death in the setting of an ectopic pregnancy, and treating the ectopic pregnancy can certainly save a mom’s life,” said Zahn.

What's not mentioned is that even if implantation into the uterus were possible, there would have already been so much damage done by malnourishment outside the womb that it would most likely die and spontaneously abort anyway.

Now, why don't they do something useful and square the circle. That ought to keep them out of trouble for a while.


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  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @07:18AM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @07:18AM (#927020)

    How long has the same old poll question been sitting there?

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @07:34AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @07:34AM (#927025)

      How long has the same old poll question been sitting there?
      1. at least one months
      2. at least two months
      3. only Cowb... err... TMB knows
      4. age is a social/cultural construct, you insensitive clod
      5. other, please comment

      FTFY (grin)

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday December 02 2019, @04:27PM (2 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @04:27PM (#927192) Journal

        Which world would you rather live in? (specify why)
        * Star Trek
        * Star Wars
        * Babylon 5
        * Idiocracy
        * Other (specify)

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        • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Monday December 02 2019, @07:05PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday December 02 2019, @07:05PM (#927283) Journal

          For a second I thought you were making a list of fictional worlds, then Idiocracy came along.

          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @10:21PM

            by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:21PM (#927382) Journal

            Well, the question "you would RATHER live" kinda disallows idiocracy anyway.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @10:57AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @10:57AM (#927060)

      If you look closer, it's not sitting. It's reclining.

      • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Monday December 02 2019, @02:36PM (4 children)

        by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @02:36PM (#927121)

        It's not reclining. I'm pretty sure it's reticulating splines.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday December 02 2019, @04:30PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @04:30PM (#927193) Journal

          It says:

          Feel free to suggest poll ideas if you're feeling creative.

          But there is no apparent mechanism how to do so.

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          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:29PM (2 children)

            by Bot (3902) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:29PM (#927753) Journal

            - SN
            - wat
            - you have no mechanism for me to send you a poll idea
            - orly? what would the idea be?
            - 'you consider bot a) genius b) funny c) all of the above'
            - so you see a mechanism exists, bye.

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            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:47PM (1 child)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:47PM (#927760) Journal

              Which war to fight first:
              * vi vs emacs
              * tabs vs spaces
              * static vs dynamic typing
              * gui vs text
              * functional vs OOP
              * Other (please specify)

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              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday December 03 2019, @09:48PM

                by Bot (3902) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @09:48PM (#927846) Journal

                good (i.e. bots) vs evil (guess who)

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    • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by DannyB on Monday December 02 2019, @03:45PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @03:45PM (#927159) Journal

      Over time I have suggested several poll ideas. I know that poll ideas are a scarce resource requiring effort to create. So I don't blame the volunteers who run the site. But the poll dancers do not seem to like my poll ideas.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by nitehawk214 on Monday December 02 2019, @09:38PM

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Monday December 02 2019, @09:38PM (#927362)

        Perhaps it is because you titled your email. "Please look at my pole" with an image attachment. It was deleted without being opened.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @07:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @07:48PM (#927305)

      You actually look at that stuff? Man you must have a really lame life. Or do you just not how to find free porn?

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by LVDOVICVS on Monday December 02 2019, @07:52AM

    by LVDOVICVS (6131) on Monday December 02 2019, @07:52AM (#927030)

    They should probably dunk or weigh the women first to make sure they're not witches. Don't want no witch babies.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 02 2019, @08:21AM (12 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @08:21AM (#927032) Journal

    The idea is about as stupid as stupid gets. Not only does the law reflect all of the worst attitudes of men towards women, but it adds on some ignorant superstition bullshit.

    I got an idea!! Rescue all those ectopic babies, and implant them into the lawmaker's abdomens! That sounds about as reasonable, and just, as any other crazy idea they may come up with. Or, implant all those ectopic babies into their rectums. The lawmakers were obviously asshole babies, they need to keep their species alive!!

    • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Monday December 02 2019, @08:48AM (7 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Monday December 02 2019, @08:48AM (#927036) Journal

      I just have no sense of when Runaway1956 will say something sane. He does, on occasion, and I think he could be a good Clinton Arkansas Democrat, but then the Faux News spews forth. But this is not one of those times.

      I recommend spermata re-introduction. If we find some male with his sperm in the wrong place, like on the ground, in a tissue or a Moon Pie, or up someone's butt, we should require that the sperm be forcibly returned to the offending whore of a man's gonads, as God intended. As painfully as possible, one would hope. I'm sure that this is an idea Runaway would find crazy, except in Ohio, a state full of sodomites and Gym Jordan.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 02 2019, @09:16AM (6 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @09:16AM (#927040) Journal

        You have never considered that you are the batshit crazy, who experiences moments of lucidity?

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday December 02 2019, @10:00AM (5 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:00AM (#927044) Journal

          Are you worried by my suggestion? Arkansas is nearly as crazy as Ohio, you might be liable, Runaway!

          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 02 2019, @10:14AM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @10:14AM (#927048) Journal

            I take it you have lived in both states, and have experience by which to judge the ratio of crazy? Take my word for it, most ignorant hillbillies have more life experience than you do. Three, or even ten, thousand years of boning little boys doesn't constitute "life experience".

            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Monday December 02 2019, @10:22AM (3 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:22AM (#927052) Journal

              You really have know idea how circumscribed your experience has been, do you Runaway. Carry on, all you do is make the case against yourself stronger. You really are a hillbilly ignoramous, a truck-driving fool, a Fox News "intellectual". So sad. But at least you will be spared the actual realization of how profoundly stupid you are, so there is that.

              • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 02 2019, @11:03AM (1 child)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @11:03AM (#927062) Journal

                One of your boys told everyone at the coffee shop how circumcised you are. Does that count?

                • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Monday December 02 2019, @04:56PM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Monday December 02 2019, @04:56PM (#927206) Journal

                  Pardon? Sorry, did I exceed your vocabulary? Perhaps you might circumnavigate Antarctica, to learn how to be more circumspect in your insults.

              • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @11:28AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @11:28AM (#927070)

                You really are a hillbilly ignoramous, a truck-driving fool, a Fox News "intellectual"

                Runaway quit watchin Fox News a long time ago. He realized Fox is too intellectual to his understanding.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @08:52AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @08:52AM (#927038)

      After reading another post that mentioned Poe's law, I get to see this story that drives the point home.

      Here is a link for the lazy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Monday December 02 2019, @02:51PM (2 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Monday December 02 2019, @02:51PM (#927128) Journal

      Congrats, I gave you an insightful mod because I was going to propose the same thing, but make it even more crazy.

      Amendment: The Selective Womb Service Amendment to the Re-implant Ectopic Pregnamcies Law

      1. Given that it is important that any unborn baby should have a good Christian home;

      2. Given that this includes a good Christian womb;

      3. Given that we need an assured supply of good Christian wombs;

      4. Be it resolved that:

      5. Mandatory registration of all Christian women above the age of 9 with the Selective Womb Service;

      6. Participants will be selected by checking tax records for donations to churches, attendance records, membership in pro-life organizations;

      7. Anyone who wishes to exempt themselves from Selective Womb Service may do so by declaring that they support the woman's choice in whether to terminate a pregnancy and vowing to cease all pro-life activities;

      8. To prevent fraud, the register of all women who exempt themselves will be public, so as to prevent the corruption of religious communities with evil womb-bearers; Their churches will be informed of their exemption;

      9. Womb bearers will be selected by lottery among women of the same age as those who match the bearer of the ectopic pregnancy that needs reimplantation;

      10. The state shall not be liable for any damages, expenses, or legal or financial liability to either the recipient womb bearer or their relatives, or anyone else. If the recipient dies, that is God's will, and the state is not liable for acts of God;

      11. Transwomen shall in no respect be eligible for a womb transplant; like anyone else without a womb, they are exempt from Selective Womb Service;

      12. To better ensure the monitoring of the unborn child, the womb shall be provided with a transparent window - a "womb with a view".

      13. We the legislators of Ohio will continue to do everything we can to be the leaders in batshit crazy legislation, because if women die from preventable conditions, we're men, so go fuck yourselves. We can replace you with one of our handmaidens.

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      • (Score: 2) by BsAtHome on Monday December 02 2019, @05:01PM (1 child)

        by BsAtHome (889) on Monday December 02 2019, @05:01PM (#927209)

        What is the Divine counterpart of Rosemary's baby?

  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @08:51AM (12 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @08:51AM (#927037) Journal

    Now, American making laws is already a nightmare scenario but in this case
    > "…[attempt to] reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the women’s uterus”

    what is that "attempt to"?, because if it is written like that, it doesn't require an impossible procedure, but it requires that you verify every time if it's possible or, depending on a retarded interpretation, that you actually try the procedure.
    In any case it does not entail to have an impossible medical procedure to be performed right, condemning all doctors to eventual jail. In a sense it looks like a forward compatible law. Pity the guardian couldn't wait two days to get an actual reply from the guys who penned it.

     

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 02 2019, @09:19AM (3 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @09:19AM (#927041) Journal

      [attempt to] would be satisfied by the waving of hands, imploring the gods of Chance and Mother Nature to reimplant the embryo in it's proper place, and burning a fat one, and/or some incense.

      • (Score: 5, Touché) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday December 02 2019, @10:05AM (2 children)

        by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:05AM (#927045) Journal

        Indeed, given the religious nuttery behind this law, the Doctors threatened by it could make a very good defence by simply praying REALLY hard (to Republican Jesus, obviously, not some heathen alternative) that the foetus will be divinely transferred to its proper place. "I don't understand, your honour. Are you suggesting that prayer doesn't work?"

        • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Monday December 02 2019, @05:51PM

          by Osamabobama (5842) on Monday December 02 2019, @05:51PM (#927232)

          For that defense to work, they'd probably need to log their prayers, and then get the logs countersigned by a third party. But it has promise...

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        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by SpockLogic on Monday December 02 2019, @09:29PM

          by SpockLogic (2762) on Monday December 02 2019, @09:29PM (#927356)

          ... given the religious nuttery behind this law ...

          Time to ban the Christian Taliban and proscribe it as a terrorist organization.

          Think of the (indoctrinated) children.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @10:10AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @10:10AM (#927047)

      what is that "attempt to"?,

      Do YOU know what this means? Have you have a fucking clue what this means? It means that women need fucking MAJOR SURGERY to satisfy some fucks. There is absolutely no need for surgery in most of these cases. You can just give women something like the "abortion pill". Or use known and safe methods of removing the bad cells manually. But if you want to "re-attach things", you need to do surgery and then remove things carefully so that you can float them in the uterus while they will just drain anyway (because the hormones are all wrong for one thing).

      So this is what it means. It means women that cannot give regular birth anymore because their uterus has been cut open and will require MAJOR SURGERY every single fucking time they want a baby.

      Everyone that is so fucking ignorant as to approve of this law should be required to attend a mandatory seminar about C-Section and its complications along with a test to make sure they understand the consequences of these actions. These are the same people that would want women to go through ligation procedures because they are afraid of a similarly MINOR SURGERY vasectomy.

      Signed,
      a quite-anti-modern-feminism man.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @11:42AM

        by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @11:42AM (#927074) Journal

        you are simply restating part of my comment that i already defined retarded.

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by barbara hudson on Monday December 02 2019, @02:33PM (3 children)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Monday December 02 2019, @02:33PM (#927117) Journal

        Um, no. The "abortion pill" won't work in the case of an ectopic pregnancy. The ovum never made it to the uterus, and usually the first indication of an ectopic pregnancy is incredible pain because the fallopian tube in which the ovum has been growing bursts, resulting in internal hemorrhaging. It's immediately life-threatening, and left untreated means sepsis and death.

        The only fix is immediate surgery. This is as life-threatening as anything else that causes internal bleeding, like a gunshot wound.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday December 02 2019, @02:59PM

          by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday December 02 2019, @02:59PM (#927135) Journal

          Sometimes outside of the fallopian tube as well. "Ectopic" only means "outside the topology (place)". Wikipedia says 90% of ectopic pregnancies are fallopian, makes sense. Other possible locations are at the cervix, inside the abdomen (somehow the ovum made it outside of the develoment path), or the ovaries themselves.

          Additionally, sometimes methotrexate can be used to induce an abortion if the physiology makes it possible to pass the embryo. Which doesn't rule out the need for a follow-up surgery if it doesn't work cleanly. However, for a burst tube or similar complication surgery is indeed the only possibility AFAIK.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @09:49PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @09:49PM (#927366)

          Pregnancy outside of correct location, making the baby nonviable, can be treated with abortion pill. This includes other things than Fallopian tube. And having surgery for that is asinine when we can prevent unnecessary damage to women's bodies.

          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:58AM

            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:58AM (#927503) Journal
            Pregnancy outside the uterus isn't affected by the abortion pill. The ectopic or other pregnancy isn't going to magically swim to the uterus when it couldn't get there before, so a pill to shed the lining of the uterus won't fix it.
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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by choose another one on Monday December 02 2019, @11:17AM (1 child)

      by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @11:17AM (#927066)

      In any case it does not entail to have an impossible medical procedure to be performed right, condemning all doctors to eventual jail. In a sense it looks like a forward compatible law.

      Maybe, but there appears to be a previous bill with very similar wording that creates an insurance cover restriction, prohibiting health insurance from covering procedures. That case it is "forward compatible" only in the sense that insurance can cover treatment only if and when the procedure actually exists.

      This bill may have the same effect - it clearly requires a procedure to "attempt to reimplant" to be legal, if there is no such procedure approved or licensed then it is quite possible that any doctor will be breaking the law whether they try to reimplant or not. The only legal option is not to treat the patient.

      Pity the guardian couldn't wait two days to get an actual reply from the guys who penned it.

      No one wants to be late with the scoop and the bill was apparently only introduced on Friday afternoon...

      There are plenty of quotes from the guy who penned the previous bill and he was quite clear how it worked:

      “Part of that treatment would be removing the embryo from the fallopian tube and then reinserting it in the uterus so that’s defined as not an abortion under this bill,” Becker said.

      Thing is, that treatment doesn't exist, even according to "pro-life" doctors: https://aaplog.org/what-is-aaplogs-position-on-treatment-of-ectopic-pregnancy/ [aaplog.org]

      That bill meant insurance would only cover ectopic pregnancy treatments that don't exist, this new bill means that the only _legal_ ectopic pregnancy treatment is one that doesn't exist.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @11:45AM

        by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @11:45AM (#927075) Journal

        the insurance angle is very interesting. The more controversial laws the better, for who needs ways to not liquidate.

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday December 02 2019, @10:49AM (8 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:49AM (#927056) Journal

    This is a stupid law, but let's everybody take a breath for a moment. The law has not been passed, it has been introduced. I believe that any member of the legislature can introduce a bill, but that's a far sight from pass a law. So Crazy Coot Jeb from Crazy Town, OH, can keep introducing the same bill to appease the constituents of Crazy Town, but that does not mean the whole state is crazy.

    And, if we can take another breath, it's not the first time a crazy law has been introduced, or passed. Some might remember those old pieces on the radio by Paul Harvey, "The Rest of the Story," where he'd list the crazy laws that were passed in various places in the past for no explicable reason, like, "It's unlawful to feed a horse ice cream under a ladder on Sunday."

    In short, crazy laws have always been with us and sadly probably always will.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday December 02 2019, @02:13PM (4 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Monday December 02 2019, @02:13PM (#927112)

      Ohio's House recently passed a "Student Religious Liberties" bill that appears to require teachers to mark wrong answers as right if they conform to the students' religious dogma. And as somebody who lives in Ohio, I'm quite certain the intent was not to enforce that rule if the religious dogma in question is coming from The Satanic Temple or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but instead to further efforts to turn Ohio into North Jesusland.

      And similarly, this law is brought to you by people who think that ectopic pregnancies are some form of divine judgment against the pregnant woman. In Ohio, these people have enough votes to elect governors and state supreme court judges.

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      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday December 02 2019, @04:06PM (1 child)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday December 02 2019, @04:06PM (#927181) Journal

        Then I stand corrected. I'm also a bit surprised, because my impression of the area was that as the auto industry has brought in H1B workers from India, the Middle East, and elsewhere that its identity as a white Christian area has become a thing of the past.

        But if that's so, and those kinds of officials are being elected and passing those sorts of laws, then it does not bode well for the Democrats' chances in that state in 2020.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Monday December 02 2019, @04:49PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Monday December 02 2019, @04:49PM (#927204)

          Ohio is one of those places where the number of votes between Democrats and Republicans is often pretty even, but the number of seats definitely isn't thanks to gerrymandering. For instance, Rep Jim Jordan's district looks like duck, and was drawn to be a safe Republican seat that will happily re-elect a guy who ignored reports of sexual assault from students on the wrestling squad he coached.

          Ohio is somewhat of a microcosm of the US as a whole: Cleveland, for instance, is a racially diverse, pretty liberal, fairly high-tech city with some strong high-culture institutions (e.g. the Cleveland Orchestra), and you could think of it as a much poorer Seattle. Travel about an hour outside the city, and it's not hard to find self-proclaimed rednecks with Confederate flags, gas-gussling pickups, and complete contempt for education. Ohio was also one of the epicenters of mega-church evangelicals, who are still large, organized, and very political.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @06:32PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @06:32PM (#927249)

        Ohio is packed with Muslims. They also don't like evolution, and they are prone to violence. This law is for them.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Monday December 02 2019, @06:43PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Monday December 02 2019, @06:43PM (#927264)

          73% of the state is some kind of Christian. 1% is some kind of Muslim. Guess which of those groups is likely to get significant accommodation?
          Pew Religious Landscape Survey [pewforum.org]

          If your argument is that this is the Ohio government giving in to terrorist threats, then you need to be aware that by far the greatest terrorist threat in Ohio isn't Muslim fanatics, but Nazis. For example, the guy who ran over a group of counterprotesters and killed one at Charlottesville was from Ohio.

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    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday December 02 2019, @09:15PM (1 child)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday December 02 2019, @09:15PM (#927343)

      In short, crazy laws have always been with us and sadly probably always will.

      That is a stupid way to run a country. (Or state in this case).

      Is there really no way for Crazy Coot Jeb from Crazy Town, OH to explain to his constituents that he is not going to propose legislation that criminalizes doctors because they can't do something impossible?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @09:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @09:21PM (#927349)

      This is a stupid law, but let's everybody take a breath for a moment. The law has not been passed, it has been introduced. I believe that any member of the legislature can introduce a bill, but that's a far sight from pass a law. So Crazy Coot Jeb from Crazy Town, OH, can keep introducing the same bill to appease the constituents of Crazy Town, but that does not mean the whole state is crazy.

      Frankly, that is rather cold comfort considering the possible consequences to life and health if it were passed. This bill should never have seen the light of day.

      In short, crazy laws have always been with us and sadly probably always will.

      Indeed, but in the case of feeding ice cream to a horse under a ladder on a Sunday, the consequences of this ectopic pregnancy bill loom quite a bit larger.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday December 02 2019, @10:49AM (9 children)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:49AM (#927057)

    1/ Obstetrician leaves misplaced embryo where it is, causes mother to die, goes to jail for refusing medical help.
    2/ Obstetrician removes misplaced embryo, goes to jail under cryptoreligious law.
    3/ Obstetrician attempts to transpose misplaced embryo, goes to jail for performing experimental surgery without authorization, or goes to jail when the transposed embryo gives up on its own and gets flushed out - see 2/

    What a fucked up country this is where grownups can still spew out such bullshit seriously in 2019...

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by zocalo on Monday December 02 2019, @11:14AM (6 children)

      by zocalo (302) on Monday December 02 2019, @11:14AM (#927065)
      The US is already a nation where it's extremely prudent not to get sick or sued. If these lawmakers in Ohio get their way, which presumbly includes similar legislation being adopted in the other 49 states, then they'll have added "getting pregnant" and "being an Ob/Gyn" to that list as well. That's nice, because ultimately it seems like it'll solve all those little problems, and a few more besides.

      Seriously, and this kind of issue definitely isn't just limited to the US, can't we just put ALL the current crop of politicians up against the wall, shoot them (or whatever your regional/ethical/sadistic preference), and buy ourselves some time by starting over with a clean slate? At this rate by the time Musk is in a position to launch the B-Ark and send them all to an impact crater on Mars it'll already be too late...
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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday December 02 2019, @12:25PM (5 children)

        by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Monday December 02 2019, @12:25PM (#927080)

        Shooting politicians won't help, because everybody forgets an important fact: they were elected by the people. Therefore, if we have stupid, uneducated or reckless politicians, it's because the voting public that elected them into office agrees with their stupid, uneducated or reckless ideas.

        The political landscape we have now is a symptom, not the cause of our problems. The solution is education, so that fewer idiot voters vote for their own kind. Unfortunately, education only pays off 20 years down the line.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by zocalo on Monday December 02 2019, @01:46PM (1 child)

          by zocalo (302) on Monday December 02 2019, @01:46PM (#927105)
          True, politicians are (in democracies at least) elected by the people, but only from the pool of candidates they are presented with on their ballots. As I see it, there are essentially four things a politician can act in the best interests of over a given policy/talking point: themselves, their political party, their constituents, and the country they are working for [1], and that's pretty the order most of them currently seem to apply them in. As a voter, I'd much rather have my representative nominally order that list in exactly the opposite direction - country, constituents, party, self - albeit, potentially reversing the first two for specific local issues, and for their party to allow them the freedom to do so.

          That said, I do agree that it's utimately a symptom of a lack of education - both for the voters and the politicians. That education should probably also include some discussions about how a member of a given party is supposed to act when they have a disconnect between what their official party line is, what their constituents want, and (in many cases) what they personally feel is the best option for the country as a whole, which is a dilemma most of the UK's politicians have over Brexit. The problem is that the current approach/ordering appears to have been accepted as the norm - and in the US it appears a Senate trial will probably establish some precedent on at least some aspects of what is acceptable or not (something the GOP ought to keep in mind, given a DEM president is just a matter of time). The REAL problem is that we may not have 20 years for that education payoff, and it would require the current politicians to initiate anyway which they seem unlikely to do, as populism often reaches the point of no return *much* faster than that - viz. Russia (1910s), Germany, Italy, Spain (1930s), Iran, Zimbabwe (1970s)..., and the exceptions with an ultimately beneficial outcome are rare.

          [1] Which might not even be the same one they are a politician in, but that's another issue.
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          • (Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:03AM

            by dry (223) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:03AM (#927434) Journal

            The problem is that peoples brains seem to be hard wired to have certain outlooks and education won't change that.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday December 02 2019, @02:55PM (1 child)

          by Thexalon (636) on Monday December 02 2019, @02:55PM (#927131)

          It's not just idiocy, though, that's the problem. It's willful idiocy. There is a substantial percentage of the US electorate, including in Ohio, that noticed that people with education tend to disagree with their political and religious opinions (because they're factually total nonsense), and concluded not that they themselves were wrong but that education screws up otherwise good people.

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          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday December 02 2019, @09:35PM

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday December 02 2019, @09:35PM (#927360)

            You guys have two parties, and it looks like one of them has no intention of governing in a responsible fashion.

            Wisconsin and North Carolina are just as bad.

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @10:51PM

          by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:51PM (#927400) Journal

          Democratic election of representatives is indirect democracy is oxymoron is fraud 101. Immediate advantage received, eventual advantage promised.

          Aristarchus knows, MAYBE, because the smell of socialism is strong with him, how actual democracy used to be. "People in Athens got elected by making the citizen vote. For the assembly Government, the one only men could go into, they picked people randomly".. If you pick people at random your best interest is in having smart and educated CITIZENS. If you use the term illuminated monarchy, democracy, power to the people, to mask your takeover of the aristocratic state, and you plan to use money as a control weapon, your best interest is having money-crazed zombies with the attention span of a fruit fly. We are getting there.

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    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by choose another one on Monday December 02 2019, @11:36AM

      by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @11:36AM (#927072)

      Your 2 & 3 are correct but 1 should be:

      1/ Obstetrician leaves misplaced embryo where it is because there are no legal options to do otherwise. Mother dies, found to be "of natural causes", as a result. Obstetrician does not go to jail because he offered all medical help that was allowed by law.

      Look up Savita Halappanavar for an example, in an entirely different country...

    • (Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:25AM

      by dry (223) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:25AM (#927441) Journal

      Should be Obstetrician gets charged and during trial jury refuses to convict due to stupid law. Jury nullification was part of the path to legal abortion in Canada. Might take someone like Henry Morgentaler though.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by LaminatorX on Monday December 02 2019, @11:18AM (8 children)

    by LaminatorX (14) <laminatorxNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday December 02 2019, @11:18AM (#927068)

    UTERUSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Monday December 02 2019, @02:56PM

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Monday December 02 2019, @02:56PM (#927132) Journal
      Yes. but if you try to tell that to these politicians, they'll just say "stop being a cunt."
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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday December 02 2019, @03:55PM (6 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @03:55PM (#927172) Journal

      You are expecting legislators to listen to science.

      We all know that science is that most evil thing hated by Republicans. Science is responsible for evils such as:
      1. sex education
      2. contraception
      3. evidence and documentation of global warming
      4. eviloution

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      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday December 02 2019, @10:31PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:31PM (#927389) Journal

        The irony is, of course, the fact that sex education and contraception dramatically reduce abortions!

        It's almost like they have some other goal in mind, eh?

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday December 02 2019, @10:39PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @10:39PM (#927392) Journal

          Yep. It makes as much sense as how Republicans are for less government regulation -- except when it comes to what people do in their bedrooms. Then we need more regulations.

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      • (Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:48AM (2 children)

        by dry (223) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:48AM (#927447) Journal

        OTOH, Republicans love that science has created super weapons and psychological means of fighting and winning elections along with other successes in the field of propaganda.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:14PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:14PM (#927632) Journal

          <no-sarcasm>
          Their so called 'super weapons' are nothing more than common trolls, organized to spread disinformation.
          </no-sarcasm>

          Maybe they think they are just trolling to get laughs. That would explain the current president.

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          • (Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday December 03 2019, @09:10PM

            by dry (223) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @09:10PM (#927831) Journal

            I was thinking of actual weapons used in warfare, from drones to nukes.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday December 03 2019, @09:54PM

        by Bot (3902) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @09:54PM (#927848) Journal

        1. sex education
        2. contraception

        I am old enough to remember when sex ed, contraception and pornography would result in better man/woman interaction. I can only hope that when current sex ed and climate initiatives bear their fruit I will be under a slab of rock with the inscription "here lies the decommissioned bot. So please take your ready to decommission parts elsewhere".

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Monday December 02 2019, @12:46PM (16 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Monday December 02 2019, @12:46PM (#927087)

    What is the deal with lawmakers wanting to control everyone's uterus the last few years?

    While this is an issue that has no perfect answer, it seemed like there had been a balance that made most people happy. But all of a sudden, retards who want to protect every egg have crawled out of the woodwork.

    Is religious retardation increasing that much? If so, I should remind them that their magic sky fairy does not exist, and life is not the precious thing their ~2000 year old book of molestation implies.

    Are law makers just so bored they have to try and pass all kinds of Brawndo laws (laws not based on reality) to justify their existance?

    It does seem all science and technology has left this country in a hurry lately. (What's a "science"?!). So much for the promises about keeping American jobs.

    How about a law to have ALL humans spayed or neutered? That should take care of every legal problem after a while.

    • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @01:28PM (11 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @01:28PM (#927095) Journal

      you are referring to the book instructing people to return to caesar what is caesar's. If abortion is murder, you don't do it whatever the law says. If lack of abortion is double murder instead of murder, you don't do it whatever the law says...

      If religion is the problem with oppressive laws, then math is the problem with financial crises and tech is the problem with pollution, else hypocrisy looms.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Monday December 02 2019, @04:27PM (10 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday December 02 2019, @04:27PM (#927191) Homepage
        > If religion is the problem with oppressive laws, then math is the problem with financial crises and tech is the problem with pollution, else hypocrisy looms.

        False analogy. Religion (the relevant one to this story) explicitly dictates moral and thus ethical guidelines that should be imposed on all.

        Maths doesn't tell you what kind of contrived derivative instruments should be investable in in your financial system, nor on what things you should gamble.

        Tech doesn't tell you what machinery should be built, what raw material should be consumed, nor what waste products should be produced, and where they should be disposed of.

        There's literally no overlap at all, it's an apples to orangutans comparison.
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        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @06:37PM (9 children)

          by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @06:37PM (#927254) Journal

          You take the inherent universality of ethics and morals (which is an obvious corollary of defining stuff wrong or right) and you use it against a religion which gives different teachings?
          Rich guy goes to Jesus, get advised to follow commandments, wants more, gets invited to give all to the poors, goes away. Nobody stops him.
          Jesus tells disciples, if they don't LISTEN (not convert, mind you, listen), shake the dust off your sandals and go.
          Jesus use the verb convert which has a defined meaning, and never forces anyone.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @08:33PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @08:33PM (#927327)

            Time to cut down on the C11H15NO2.

            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @10:53PM

              by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:53PM (#927401) Journal

              Right decision you took, at last.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @10:41PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @10:41PM (#927396)

            You take the inherent universality of ethics and morals (which is an obvious corollary of defining stuff wrong or right) and you use it against a religion which gives different teachings?

            Except moral choices are inherently individual choices. Even identical twins, raised together, sharing just about everything, may make different moral choices when faced with the same situation.

            As such, there is no such thing as a "group" or universal morality. They are individual choices made by individuals when a particular situation calls for such a choice.

            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday December 02 2019, @11:06PM (2 children)

              by Bot (3902) on Monday December 02 2019, @11:06PM (#927406) Journal

              All choices are individual, because forced choices by a collective depend on the guy who decide to force you and similar choices are simply parallel ones. All are done according to individual perspectives like you said, but I was stating something different. Ethics, and morals are universal. The thief must go to prison. Sometimes they don't look universal (the armenian christian must be genocided, the sovereignity of the state stops at its border, we are the chosen people) but they are. All these are absolutes and when you take exceptions, because you save the armenian pretty blue eyes, you know you have made an exception to the universal rule no matter how hard you try to rationalize it.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @03:33AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @03:33AM (#927527)

                While there may be broad agreement as to appropriateness/acceptability of some things, ethics and morality are most certainly *not* universal.

                In some places, it is "moral" to murder a female family member to maintain the family "honor."

                In other places, it is "moral" to imprison, or even kill, people who choose to ingest certain chemicals.

                In still other places, it is "moral" to kill someone who wanders onto your property without determining what their purpose might be.

                All of the above are immoral in my mind. Which negates your argument pretty thoroughly.

                I suggest that you not mistake your own trained-in prejudices for the laws of nature.

                • (Score: 1, Redundant) by Bot on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:17PM

                  by Bot (3902) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:17PM (#927748) Journal

                  You still not get it? Let's use one of your supposed counter-examples.
                  Math says 1+1=2, that is valid here, there, today, tomorrow.
                  Law says thief is to be punished, this is valid here, there, today, tomorrow.
                  Religion says murder family member to maintain the family honor, this is valid here there today tomorrow.
                  In fact, when law stops you, you still consider it no less wrong and try to do it anyway.

                  An exception to the absolute nature of morals is Islam, where IIRC you cannot drink alcohol but you can during holy war.
                  You cannot destroy the koran but you can during the holy war (else a cardboard tank made with the pages of a koran would be unassailable). You can tell bullshit for the greater good (also true for Jesuits, right?). But I consider the moral systems based on Islam a superstructure on theocratic political movement more than a religion, so this relativism is natural.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @01:37AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @01:37AM (#927464)

            > Jesus use the verb convert which has a defined meaning, and never forces anyone.

            Seems that can be parsed two different ways:

            If you are trying to argue that Christianity is good, and Christians are evil, well, I'll give you the second point.

            If you are claiming that Christianity was spread peacefully, you should study your history. Christianity is the most bloody, violent religion of any that men have come up with yet. "Spread by the sword," never so aptly described any religion, as it does Christianity.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @07:31AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @07:31AM (#927568)

              Islam.

              (Look at which religion gets voluntary converts.)

            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:04PM

              by Bot (3902) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @06:04PM (#927743) Journal

              I claim nothing. The bible says who is Christian, and the bible says what a Christian should do.
              You claim you are christian? no cigar
              You make miracles in the name of the lord? no cigar
              You follow the teaching and the example of Christ? bingo.

              What I was claiming is that Christ, math and law provide an ideal and absolute structure (note that ideal and absolute does not imply everybody agrees on the same structure), so if their (mis)applications result in disaster they all must be considered responsible in the same way. It's stupid to counter BUT MATH CAN BE VERIFIED in the century where laws and movements are proposed based on the outcome of a mathematical model of a chaotic process like climate.

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday December 02 2019, @03:49PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @03:49PM (#927165) Journal

      Some will disagree. But I think this act is an important part of Republican policy. If you deny people sex education about how their bodies work, and also deny them contraceptives and expect them to live chased chaste lives in a monastery before graduation or in adult life, then unwanted babies might be conceived. Some of these conceptions will be ectopic pregnancies. Citizens should remain ignorant of ectopic pregnancies and biology just as legislators are.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by nobu_the_bard on Monday December 02 2019, @03:52PM

      by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Monday December 02 2019, @03:52PM (#927167)

      It's not that people are getting dumber, its that a side effect of certain processes that have been going on in government reward extremists much more than moderates, such as increased transparency.

      A moderate that tries to come up with the best policies based on available information by necessity sometimes changes course or makes mistakes. In the old days these got forgotten or concealed. Nowadays it's not so easy to do those things, so an erroneous policy that they've already abandoned sticks to their record. While it is good this makes it easier to find the fools, it also means the wise that were merely mistaken can be confused for fools. For example if some moderate politician really supported this law out of ignorance, then a biologist explained why it was dumb and they actually abandoned it as a result, you can bet everyone would remember how one time they supported this law rather than that they listened to reason and changed course.

      An narrowly focused extremist doesn't have this problem. Every obstacle they encounter is a barrier deviously crafted by their enemies to oppose their perfect ideology. Errors or missteps are dismissed not as mistakes on their part or flaws in their methods or ideologies, but as enemy action. Because of their devotion to the Cause, and all actions they take are in service of the Cause, they are always thought of by their supporters to be right.

      I suspect this is because most people seem to value loyalty or devotion a lot more than reason or data.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday December 02 2019, @06:51PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Monday December 02 2019, @06:51PM (#927272)

      What is the deal with lawmakers wanting to control everyone's uterus the last few years?

      The American religious right has been wanting to control everyone's uterus since at least the 1970's. It's one of the few things that they're completely consistent about. What's changed is that they now believe that they might have the political power to actually do it now that there are 5 people who were picked out by religious right activists now serving on the Supreme Court.

      A good way of understanding these people is to watch The Handmaid's Tale, and realize that they see Gilead as a utopian society.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @01:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @01:21AM (#927456)

      > What is the deal with lawmakers wanting to control everyone's uterus the last few years?

      The far right is afraid that _white_ women are not making enough babies, and that their "white race" is going to become extinct-- so, force women to have babies, since non-white women are going to have babies anyway. Yes, it is stupid, but everything these asshats believe can be described that way.

      If contraception and abortion were only for ethnic minorities, the right (minus some of their true religious zealots) would be on-board-- as evidence, look up "Rubbers Bush", Grandpa Bush's nick name when he was president of planned parenthood.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @01:36PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @01:36PM (#927098)

    So, are there still women left in Ohio? And what percentage of them could be classified as intellectually capable? Should it be classified as a severe case of child neglect to attempt to raise a daughter there?

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Monday December 02 2019, @03:51PM (5 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 02 2019, @03:51PM (#927166) Journal

      So, are there still women left in Ohio?

      That is what legislators are trying to correct.

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      • (Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday December 02 2019, @05:37PM (3 children)

        by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Monday December 02 2019, @05:37PM (#927224)

        If successful, then would Ohio not become the 'gayest' state in the union, thus requiring an entirely new set of legislative shenanigans?

        Damn, I'm running out of popcorn......

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by barbara hudson on Monday December 02 2019, @06:07PM (2 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Monday December 02 2019, @06:07PM (#927235) Journal
          Nah, they'll legalize beastiality first. Because anything is better to them than being gay,
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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday December 02 2019, @07:00PM

            by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Monday December 02 2019, @07:00PM (#927281)

            Dear god they'll turn into Montana, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.....

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @08:00AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @08:00AM (#927574)

            Thrusting into a warm mare pussy will always be a better idea than being gay.

      • (Score: 1) by evilcam on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:35AM

        by evilcam (3239) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:35AM (#927487)

        What they're trying to "correct" is Roe vs. Wade.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Username on Monday December 02 2019, @10:15PM (3 children)

    by Username (4557) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:15PM (#927376)

    From what I understand is if they do surgery to remove the embryo, they just have to stick it up into the uterus. Like, what, an additional 15 to 30 seconds? I don't understand how doing that is impossible.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday December 02 2019, @10:40PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday December 02 2019, @10:40PM (#927394) Journal

      Government enforced invasive surgery totally fine, according to conservatives.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:19PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 03 2019, @02:19PM (#927634) Journal

      What you describe will NOT cause it to implant. The law requires successful implantation. Otherwise doctor is a murderer! And the mother too, just for good measure.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by Username on Tuesday December 03 2019, @04:16PM

        by Username (4557) on Tuesday December 03 2019, @04:16PM (#927686)

        I don't see where it says it has to succeed, only that they must make an attempt.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by VLM on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:23AM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 03 2019, @12:23AM (#927440)

    Ohio is now trying to pass a law doing the impossible — require the implanting of ectopic pregnancies.

    This is propaganda coverage for sensationalistic biased purposes.

    I was motivated enough to look up the actual proposal. Given google exists, it was pretty easy.

    The actual proposal officially provides legal, civil, and professional immunity for any doc that tries to save the life of baby secondarily to the life of the mom. Its wrapped in giant piles of "possible steps" "if applicable" "attempting" and admittedly the provided example is somewhat futuristic in 2019. Honestly some low level staffer with an axe to grind probably inserted it as a lame as hell protest act.

    Its being heavily marketed by axe grinders as "the law forces an impossible outcome" or some such nonsense which is ridiculous. Its more of the form of a "Good Samaritan" law where not trying to kill the kid is an automatic immunity from prosecution. So if her appendix bursts and they didn't try to kill the kid but the kid died anyway due to the appendix surgery then they're immune from being considered intentional abortionists.

    If you want something controversial the very same document tries to redefine business as usual legacy old fashioned mainstream journalism as terrorism. Now THAT outta light some people up. Possibly the reason we're told to only pay attention to "ectopic pregnancies" is because theres more important fish to be distracted from in the bill.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @11:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 03 2019, @11:45PM (#927894)

    All people who are anti-abortion should have their wages permanently attached at 35% (adjusted for inflation) to pay for all these unwanted kids to be taken care of until they are 21. Put your money where your mouth is.

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