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posted by Fnord666 on Friday December 27 2019, @01:13PM   Printer-friendly
from the consequences dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

With countries such as Iceland, Costa Rica, New Zealand, and Norway adopting green energy practices, renewable energy now accounts for a third of the world's power. As this trend continues, more and more countries are looking to offshore energy sources to produce this renewable energy. In an Opinion publishing December 17 in the journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution, researchers identify situations where green technology such as wind turbines, wave energy converters, and other marine renewable energy devices (MREDs) have had negative consequences on marine life.

While the researchers don't want to slow down active responses to climate change, they do encourage those making the decision to implement MREDs into marine habitats to consider the impact of this technology, such as head trauma and hearing loss, on marine animals before beginning construction.

"When people put a wind farm in their back yard, neighbors might complain that it's ugly and want it moved," says first author Andrew Wright, an ocean and ecosystem scientist at the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada. "So, they think, why not put it off shore where we can't see it and then there's no problems? The assumption there is that it's just an aesthetic problem. But there's a lot more to it."

Journal Reference: Andrew J. Wright, Claryana Araújo-Wang, John Y. Wang, Peter S. Ross, Jakob Tougaard, Robin Winkler, Melissa C. Márquez, Frances C. Robertson, Kayleigh Fawcett Williams, Randall R. Reeves. How ‘Blue’ Is ‘Green’ Energy? Trends in Ecology & Evolution, 2019; DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2019.11.002


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27 2019, @02:45PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27 2019, @02:45PM (#936535)

    Not according to this, on the chart it looks like maybe ONE TENTH
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614917/our-pathetically-slow-shift-to-clean-energy-in-five-charts/ [technologyreview.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27 2019, @02:50PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27 2019, @02:50PM (#936536)

      Did you include nuclear? That is renewable.

      • (Score: 2) by VanessaE on Friday December 27 2019, @07:08PM (1 child)

        by VanessaE (3396) <vanessa.e.dannenberg@gmail.com> on Friday December 27 2019, @07:08PM (#936624) Journal

        Nuclear is a good power option, and is "green" if the exhausted fuel is properly stored and perhaps reprocessed into more fuel, but it is *not* renewable as the energy source is finite (when compared to how much longer humanity could potentially inhabit the planet).

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 28 2019, @03:02PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 28 2019, @03:02PM (#936847)

          if we get warp drive i will shift allegiance from infinite renewable to nuclear in a heartbeat.
          obviously we can now treat every new Goldilocks planet as a new frontier to dump our radioactif shit ^_^

  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Friday December 27 2019, @03:26PM (8 children)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Friday December 27 2019, @03:26PM (#936546) Journal

    Here we go again:

    'we are building a thing'
    'to build this thing we must destroy a part of nature'
    'how much does this part of nature cost to destroy'
    -whale vocalizations underwater that no one here-
    'i guess it costs nothing to destroy this part of nature'
    -rinse-
    -repeat-
    ....centuries pass.....
    'why are we going extinct?'
    'who cares there's a party at epstein's place this weekend, rock on!'

    https://archive.is/V8XUb [archive.is] (some of my best work...true story)
    https://archive.is/eSLh7 [archive.is] (same sadly applies to the abuse of children through the abuse of their test data)
    https://archive.is/kd65L [archive.is] (some of the children using their words, they appear not to be no more pleased with this state of affairs than I was in 2001)

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday December 27 2019, @04:16PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday December 27 2019, @04:16PM (#936560)

      @spoils of the internet revolution:

      What do you think the .com boom was? I think it was a sudden surge of oligarch wealth out from under their collective mattresses in a bid to reshuffle themselves, with the risk takers hoping to climb a few notches closer to the top. Very short lived temporary insanity, that was, business as usual resumed within just a couple of years.

      @exploitation of the world's ecosystems, particularly the underwater world:

      See: Bee Movie. Fish have a hard time getting competent representation in terrestrial courts.

      --
      Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/7408365/
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27 2019, @06:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27 2019, @06:24PM (#936598)

      Oh my Dog!! That's your "best" work??!

      Man, you are so doomed!

      See you at Carnegie Hall

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 27 2019, @07:07PM (3 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday December 27 2019, @07:07PM (#936622) Journal

      Yep, it's called a cost benefit analysis.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 27 2019, @07:51PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) on Friday December 27 2019, @07:51PM (#936648) Homepage Journal

        Yes, that's what they call it. Who is to say the analysis is worth a damn? Did the analysts bother to ask anyone outside of the boardrooms about the price? If, for the rest of my life, I can only look out my window and see the brick wall of a neighboring building, then the cost is far, far, FAR too damned high. Whatever benefit I might lose by insisting on it, I will still insist on living out here in the boonies, with nature all around me.

        --
        Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Joe Desertrat on Friday December 27 2019, @10:52PM

          by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Friday December 27 2019, @10:52PM (#936679)

          Whatever benefit I might lose by insisting on it, I will still insist on living out here in the boonies, with nature all around me.

          Great idea, until others come up with the same idea and things start getting crowded. Particularly if you are in an environmentally sensitive place. One person might live there and with careful consideration, have very limited impact on the surroundings. More and more people means that a point will be reached where no matter how careful, the impact will increase, probably exponentially. While the first person might be very considerate, those following will likely have more and more people that just do not care, and they will go about altering the landscape to match what they are familiar with, without regarding the impact on the original ecosystem.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Saturday December 28 2019, @01:46AM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday December 28 2019, @01:46AM (#936750)

        But, whose cost? As Star Trek IV pointed out: killing all the humpback whales may end up costing more than we bargained for.

        As is more recently being discovered, whale poop is a massive CO2 absorption catalyst. Want to increase the biosequestration of CO2? Not killing one whale can be equated to planting hundreds of trees - the whale poop fertilizes phytoplankton which photosynthesize mass quantities of CO2 into food for the whales, and everything else in the water column.

        --
        Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/7408365/
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 28 2019, @12:24AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 28 2019, @12:24AM (#936709)

      Epstein lol. Epstein isn't exactly the most sympathetic figure. Recommend Assange instead.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 28 2019, @01:52AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 28 2019, @01:52AM (#936751)

        Epstein is a goddamned folk hero. Best alleged child peddler I ever did see.

  • (Score: 2) by Tokolosh on Saturday December 28 2019, @05:21PM

    by Tokolosh (585) on Saturday December 28 2019, @05:21PM (#936885)

    When oil and gas platforms were installed in the Gulf of Mexico and the North Sea, the local fishing industry fought it tooth and nail. Eventually they got a concession that facilities would be completely removed at the end of production life. When the end finally rolled around, the oil company operators lobbied to only topple the platforms, arguing that they did not harm sea life. Once again they succeeded in getting a few concessions, as an experiment. Fishermen and conservationists were horrified, arguing that this was the thin edge of the wedge.

    What is the status today? Fishermen and conservationists are insisting that the facilities be left, in a program called "rigs to reefs". They attract and shelter so much marine life that they are considered a boon. They even sink old NY subway carriages to make artificial reefs. Not all change is bad.

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