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posted by martyb on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:21AM   Printer-friendly
from the children-behave-♫♫ dept.

Reddit, Acting Against Hate Speech, Bans `The_Donald' Subreddit

Reddit has banned 2000 subreddits, including "The Donald" for hate speech.

Reddit, Acting Against Hate Speech, Bans ‘The_Donald’ Subreddit

"The community or “subreddit,” called “The_Donald,” is home to more than 790,000 users who post memes, viral videos and supportive messages about Mr. Trump. Reddit executives said the group, which has been highly influential in cultivating and stoking Mr. Trump’s online base, had consistently broken its rules by allowing people to target and harass others with hate speech.

“Reddit is a place for community and belonging, not for attacking people,” Steve Huffman, the company’s chief executive, said in a call with reporters. “‘The_Donald’ has been in violation of that.”

Also at:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-bans-hundreds-subreddits-hate-speech-including-trump-community-n1232408
https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/hi3oht/update_to_our_content_policy/

Twitch, Reddit Crack Down on Trump-Linked Content as Industry Faces Reckoning

Twitch, Reddit crack down on Trump-linked content as industry faces reckoning:

Video streaming platform Twitch temporarily suspended President Donald Trump's channel and social media site Reddit banned a longtime forum used by his supporters in separate actions Monday aimed at curtailing hateful content that come as the tech industry grapples with its handling of the president.

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman announced in a post that the r/The_Donald forum, which boasted over 790,000 subscribers as of earlier Monday, has been shuttered for frequent rule-breaking, antagonizing the company and other communities and for failing to “meet our most basic expectations.” Huffman said it’s one of about 2,000 newly banned forums — known as subreddits — including at least one prominent progressive community, as part of a broader crackdown aimed at “closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate.”

“All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith,” Huffman wrote. “We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity.” Reddit said the ban took effect at 1 p.m. Eastern time.

Twitch, a subsidiary of the e-commerce giant Amazon, confirmed on Monday that it has separately suspended Trump's campaign channel on the platform for posting videos that ran afoul of its rules against content that “promotes, encourages or facilitates discrimination, denigration, objectification, harassment or violence” based on an individual’s identity.

A company spokesperson said the channel violated its rules by rebroadcasting a video of Trump's 2015 event kicking off his presidential candidacy, in which he referred to Mexican immigrants as “rapists." At the time, Trump said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," adding, "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."


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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:26AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:26AM (#1016400)

    Fuck Beta Trump! The man is a clown! He thought Finland is part of Russia, pronouced Bhutan "button", and Nepal as "nipple". Does not understand the separation of powers, thinks he can arrest people, or at least tear-gas them, so he can hold up "a" bible, after crawling out of this bunker. And now he is arresting Lakota? Dancing with Idiots! Stephan Miller is never going to hold a job again.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:30AM (33 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:30AM (#1016402)

    Twitter needs to just cancel his account. With out twitter, Trump has no policy, no plan, no leadership. And he would try to sue them, a private company, for denying service to a bigot who has repeatedly violated the private contract of terms of service? Another Trump loss in a court of law. C'mon, twitter, a grateful nation will thank you!

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:03AM (27 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:03AM (#1016407)

      When Twitter becomes property of the United States by virtue of being essential to official government business, all your libertarian bullshit about private company ownership will be meaningless, you fucking ass troll. Trump will fucking win, moron.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:16AM (14 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:16AM (#1016417) Journal

        When Twitter becomes property of the United States by virtue of being essential to official government business

        Then you will kiss goodbye any guarantee of no matter what individual right, use the US Constitution as ass-wipes and welcome the unrestrained fascism.

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:34AM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:34AM (#1016421)

          Let me guess, you've never heard of eminent domain. You don't have the rights you think you have, delusional libertarian shitstain. Your private property is yours only so long as Trump doesn't want it. That's right, you Rearden-loving asswipe. Go fuck off with your gay lover Galt and hope Trump doesn't shove a nuclear warhead up your Gulch.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:42AM (9 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:42AM (#1016425)

            Let me guess, you've never heard of eminent domain.

            You mean the Internet was emitted by Trump and the Trump can take it back?
            You know that Twitter can stay Twitter even if its infrastructure is located in Ireland. Or UK. Or Japan. Or even Russia. What exactly you think Trump can do to take Twitter back?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:50AM (6 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:50AM (#1016429)

              Twitter is a publicly traded corporation of which all the stock can be seized and the corporation can be made a public utility.

              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:02AM (5 children)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:02AM (#1016433) Journal

                Twitter is a publicly traded corporation of which all the stock can be seized

                The moment that would happen, all the major US companies will move their business elsewhere.
                Rightly so, because they are responsible to their stockholders, not to Trump.

                --
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:20AM (4 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:20AM (#1016440)

                  The moment after every American corporation expatriates, they all start paying huge tariffs if they ever want to do business in America. You know every corporation wants that sweet American slice of the advertising pie, after all, Americans are dumb shit consumers with money to burn.

                  Face it, libertarian dumb fuck. Sovereign states have vastly more power than you and your corporate cronies. Your precious little corporations exist only because the state allows them to exist.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:34AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:34AM (#1016444)

                    You know every corporation wants that sweet American slice of the advertising pie, after all, Americans are dumb shit consumers with money to burn.

                    Not enough money to burn after the 0.1%-ters take their money away.
                    See?... nobody to trickle down money, so no more money to burn, US becomes Somalia.
                    This is the bed the 'muricans made for themselves to lay in and dream the 'murican dream.

                  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:16AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:16AM (#1016456)

                    Until those business start telling people en mass that so-and-so is unavailable or too expensive because of their government policies. Stoke a popular revolt just enough on both sides and watch them do all the hard work. A few members of the leadership run out of town, so to speak, and the rest will be kissing that corporate ass to make the pain stop.

                    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Pav on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:48PM (1 child)

                      by Pav (114) on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:48PM (#1016515)

                      You mean like Napster?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:11AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:11AM (#1016861)

                        No, like Montana Power. A cautionary tale, if ever there was.

            • (Score: 2) by EETech1 on Monday July 06 2020, @06:22AM (1 child)

              by EETech1 (957) on Monday July 06 2020, @06:22AM (#1016863)

              There's already a replacement Twitter...
              https://www.cnet.com/news/parler-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-twitter-alternative-for-conservatives/ [cnet.com]

              And plenty of replacements for Reddit...

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @07:23PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @07:23PM (#1017829)

                Just like Conservapedophila and Gob! Internets for the racists of us!

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:23AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:23AM (#1016461)

          Is the unrestrained fascism only good if outsourced to a megacorp? Doublethink FTW.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:44AM (1 child)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:44AM (#1016462) Journal

            Is the unrestrained fascism only good if outsourced to a megacorp?

            Can you name which megacorp is fascist and demonstrate it?

            I'll be generous: pick whatever definition of fascism [wikipedia.org] you find appropriate, state your pick and then demonstrate, single thinkedly, your assertion.

            --
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:40AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:40AM (#1016468)

              Oh, that's easy. I'll pick the insult definition [wikipedia.org], and state that Microsoft is fascist, simply because it achieved and maintained its dominance by using illegal business practices rather than on technical merit.

              But to be frank, I can easily match the definitions of Dimitrov (Wall Street), Trotsky (the entire subversion of fair elections by the political apparatus: gerry-mandering, multiple stages of winner-takes-all, and the electoral college itself) and Roosevelt (the USMIC) to current US society too.

      • (Score: 2) by AnonTechie on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:41AM (10 children)

        by AnonTechie (2275) on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:41AM (#1016424) Journal

        Next demand, all popular websites like Google, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, etc. should be nationalised ...

        --
        Albert Einstein - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:01AM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:01AM (#1016432)

          Go look at IRS.gov sometime and see an official web site of the United States Government. Now sure Trump could have ordered a tweety site to be made for his tweety business, but he didn't, and now Twitter is de facto hosting official government communications. If Twitter tries to cut off Trump, he can just seize Twitter.com and make it an official web site of the United States Government in the public interest. The public would support him in this move too, because everyone knows Twitter is where the POTUS communicates to the people.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:04AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:04AM (#1016434)

            The public would support him in this move too, because everyone knows Twitter is where the POTUS communicates to the people.

            LOL [fivethirtyeight.com]

          • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:16AM (5 children)

            by MostCynical (2589) on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:16AM (#1016439) Journal

            +1 or -1 delusional

            ?

            Capitalism/CAPITALIZE
            Nationalism/Nationalize
            Socialism/Socialize
            Free enterprise

            does no one on the internet use a dictionary?
            (don't expect anyone to understand any economic theory)

            --
            "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:46AM (4 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:46AM (#1016449) Journal

              Capitalism/CAPITALIZE
              Nationalism/Nationalize
              Socialism/Socialize

              Pandemic? Distancize.

              --
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
              • (Score: 3, Informative) by MostCynical on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:13AM (1 child)

                by MostCynical (2589) on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:13AM (#1016454) Journal

                I tried to come up with a joke about social distancing but this is as close as I could get.

                Disease a very bad joke

                --
                "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:47AM

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:47AM (#1016463) Journal

                  ...but this is as close as I could get.

                  A good thing then that you didn't breach the recommended 1.5m distance. (grin)

                  --
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
              • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:33PM (1 child)

                by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:33PM (#1016565) Homepage Journal

                Distance is a noun. It has been verbed. The verb for distance is distance.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:16PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:16PM (#1016618)

                  But "distancing" is a gerund. What is your point? I find you very concerning.

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:40AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:40AM (#1016448)

          Next demand, all popular websites like Google, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, etc. should be nationalised ...

          They already were. That's how all of these same sites ban the same people on the same day.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:15PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:15PM (#1016508)

          Start with Myspace.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:07AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:07AM (#1016435)

        Another useless Trumptard waxed into the trap of revenge spam-modding. Say good bye to your twitter!

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:53AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:53AM (#1016411)

      Without Trump, Twatter has no income.

      Trump should really consider opening an account with the "Evil literal Nazi"-Twitter alternatives and mirror his posts there. Competition is great!

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:59AM (2 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:59AM (#1016430) Journal

      With out twitter, Trump has no voice, that in addition to having no policy, no plan, no leadership already

      FTFY

      --
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:09AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:09AM (#1016436)

        Go ahead and try to silence Trump's voice, and emergency alerts will blast out of your phone until you listen.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:27AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:27AM (#1016442) Journal

          Go ahead and try to silence Trump's voice

          Why would I even bother trying? He's pretty good at becoming irrelevant and inconsequential without my help.

          ..., and emergency alerts will blast out of your phone until you listen.

          Sorry, it doesn't work, I still don't listen to annoying spammers.

          Besides, as someone living in Australia, kicking Trump out of Twitter will blast silence out of my phone from that direction. That silence I'd listen and enjoy.

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:52AM

      by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:52AM (#1017501) Journal

      I 100% believe that Twitter has the right to do this, and I would vigorously oppose any legislation to prevent it. I have the right to control who shouts from my front porch, and they have the same right to theirs.

      That said, I think it would be an incredibly foolish business decision.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:12AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:12AM (#1016408)

    Where does SoylentNews stand in the tech industry? Oh that's right. You don't. You fuckers don't fucking exist. You're just a bunch of fucking Boomer nobodies with a Linode account and a cloned copy of Slashcode which you use to push your libertarian agenda. Trump wouldn't care to take a shit on your pathetic "Libertarian News For Boomers" site.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:28AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:28AM (#1016409)

      This shit seriously runs on Linode? Holy shit, that explains the downtimes.

      Iean yeah I understand costs vs uptime, I'm just fucking with y'all.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:53AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:53AM (#1016412)

        SoylentNews is run by miserly Boomers who fund their libertarian paradise through cyberbegging because they won't spend a penny of their pensions that they can't scam out of everyone else instead.

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:05AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:05AM (#1016414)

      We may be pathetic, we may be a smaller site, we may even run on a cloned forked copy of Slashcode.

      What's definitely true though is your desperate flailing about spamming the site is far more pathetic than we could ever be.

      For fuckers that don't exist, we're clearly getting under your skin somehow......

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:43AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:43AM (#1016426)

        You have quite the inflated ego if you think you're getting under my skin. I'm just killing time while I wait for rabid nationalist cocksuckers to stop blowing rockets to commemorate the worst country ever created in the entire history of the world. America, FUCK YEAH.

        • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:20PM (#1016482)

          Not the worst, but statistically pretty far from the best. Except for military, we build a fuckload of that.

      • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:04PM

        by krishnoid (1156) on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:04PM (#1016610)

        And thanks to you, today I learned the word for the sensation of having ants under your skin [psychologytoday.com].

        Spoiler alert:

        It's frequently associated with chronic drug use.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:21AM (#1016419)

      You fuckers don't fucking exist.

      Your post is an illusion, you are speaking to one of your imaginary personalities. Or viceversa.
      Tell ye what, go on slashdot and be real and somebody.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:36AM (40 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:36AM (#1016422) Journal

    With Trump in free-fall [fivethirtyeight.com] and no candidate as alternative to Trump, I don't see how the republicans will manage to do something in 4 months to the election.
    Let them rest. In... whatever bed they made for themselves.

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by deimtee on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:30AM (11 children)

      by deimtee (3272) on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:30AM (#1016443) Journal

      Yeah, and nearly four years ago the media and democrat circle-jerk talked themselves into believing Hillary was 98% certain to win. Polls aren't worth shit when they are manipulated to produce the desired result, rather than actually measuring something.
      I just wish the Democrats would run a good candidate instead of intentionally throwing the election.

      --
      If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:39AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:39AM (#1016447) Journal

        Nothing controversial enough this year around [pewresearch.org]

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:48AM (5 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:48AM (#1016450) Journal

        Actually, if I recall correctly, Hillary was about 1,999% certain to win, and Trump was 500% certain to commit hari kiri after losing the election.

        Let the fools blow smoke about Trump, we saw how that worked last time around. He would have lost if the media just ignored him. ;^)

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:51AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:51AM (#1016451) Journal

          He would have lost if the media just ignored him.

          Calling this [soylentnews.org] a lesson learned or is it too early to tell? (grin)

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:19PM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:19PM (#1016528) Journal

            That's just another example of the media NOT ignoring the fool.

            If you go down to the town square, and the village idiot is experiencing diarrhea of the mouth, do you permit him to flap his gums in the air, or do you feel it necessary to silence him?

            If you choose the latter, you have violated an ages old rule: Never argue with an idiot, because the people watching can't tell which is the idiot. Guess what? The idiot wins!! You have put yourself on his level, and he has a helluva lot more experience being an idiot than you do!! (or, does he?)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:25PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:25PM (#1016542)

              No one is arguing with your verbal diarrhea, Runaway. Get out of the town square! Time to go home and water the livestock.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Monday July 06 2020, @04:00AM

          by Reziac (2489) on Monday July 06 2020, @04:00AM (#1016824) Homepage

          The function of polls is not to take the public pulse; it is to sway the undecided toward the "winning" side.

          And a well-crafted poll can produce any result you care to pay for.

          --
          And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
        • (Score: 3, Touché) by FatPhil on Monday July 06 2020, @04:57AM

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday July 06 2020, @04:57AM (#1016845) Homepage
          Don't forget also that a hundred vapid celebrity luvvies were 1000% sure to leave the US and move to Canada if the unthinkable happened.
          --
          Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:10AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:10AM (#1016453)

        The older I get, the more I am convinced that the Dems are the Washington Generals of American politics. It’s quickly becoming the only way they can consistently lose easy victories. They keep pulling tricks out of their hats to beat other Dems that don’t tow the line. Yet somehow they keep fumbling the ball, shooting air balls, Committing unforced errors, and scoring own goals.

        An interesting side note about the polls though. If you actually look back at them, they did predict the correct outcome. The biggest mistakes they made were ignoring state polls, ignoring other poll predictors and trends to fit their narrative, and focusing on national polls when the election isn’t decided by the national popular vote.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:35PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:35PM (#1016543)

          Tote that barge, lift that bail bale,
          Get a little drunk
          You'll land in jail

          Ol' Man River [wikipedia.org]

          Towing the line is how you haul barges. Toeing the line is how you stand for the same things as others. Learn the difference, you degenerate illiterate deplorable!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @02:32AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @02:32AM (#1016793)

            So is it camel tow or camel toe?

            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:24AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:24AM (#1016864)

              See? This is the result of having Betsy DeVos, Amway heiress, and camel tow extrodinaire, as the Sucretary of Edumacaton.

              I have a spelling checker
              It came with my PC
              It highlights for my review
              Mistakes I cannot sea.
              I ran this poem thru it
              I'm sure your pleased to no
              Its letter perfect in it's weigh
              My checker told me sew.

              Mark Eckman [thoughtco.com]

              Now if we can jest get back to building the boarder wall, and maggoting America grate again, oh, hmm!

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:44AM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:44AM (#1016470)

      They don't have to do anything. As long as the DNC continues to obsolete itself by putting forward characters even more unlikeable than Trump, even Mitch McConnell could become the next president.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:59AM (10 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:59AM (#1016475) Journal

        They don't have to do anything.

        I [pewresearch.org] wonder [pewresearch.org]

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:23PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:23PM (#1016483)

          It is almost the same self-delusion they had last time. "The opponent is Trump, therefore we can get the murderous witch from hell elected". This time it is the "hair-sniffer". It doesn't matter if Biden is a more "likeable" hair-sniffer than Trump. The left wing idiots are doing it again, convincing themselves that they can't lose, because "Trump is literally Hitler", therefore we can get a hair-sniffing kiddie-toucher elected.

          I don't like him, but with the pitiful opponents he has, I expect Trump to serve a second term.

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:34PM (2 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:34PM (#1016485) Journal

            "The opponent is Trump, therefore we can get the murderous witch from hell elected".

            Joe almost shoot his foot with his "You ain't black" and it's not impossible to shoot himself in the head, figuratively speaking, by election time, the way "basket of deplorables" Hillary did.
            Anything else is deep in the past so, he's not yet at the "murderous witch", "we came, we saw, he died" level, but "a mediocre, no surprises president" - after Trump's streak of "winning", the American may see a mediocre POTUS as a refreshing idea.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:52PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:52PM (#1016516)

              Eh, he'll just hide out in his basement and let his handlers send out press releases. The key point will be the televised debates; will he bother to show (he'll lose, the debate I mean) or will he claim Covid fears and skip out? Not that it matters much; ever since he was first elected, I figured the main thing that could beat Trump was the economy. Doesn't matter how much it is or isn't his fault, that's usually what knocks down incumbent Presidents, and it's the main reason Biden has any chance at all.

              As usual, though, any win -- no matter how slim -- will be declared "A Mandate From The People" and whoever wins will try to charge ahead in one of two idiotic directions.

              I'll stick with voting third party.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @09:53AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @09:53AM (#1016905)

                I'll stick with voting third party.

                Wise decision. You never know, maybe it's gonna become the second party.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:27AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:27AM (#1016866)

            Whal, iff'n you vote for Biden, y'all ain't white! Just saying, Billy Bo Bob! Now hold my beer wilst I set off this mortor and pestle.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @01:02AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @01:02AM (#1016756)

          My wife has TDS in a serious way, but after a month of watching rioters destroy, loot, burn, and exacerbate COVID, she said to me the other day -- "maybe Trump should win. This stuff is just unacceptable."

          You can bet your bottom dollar, if she was called for a poll, even though she is harboring heretical thoughts, she would answer in a way that opposes Trump.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @01:14AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @01:14AM (#1016761)

            she would answer in a way that opposes Trump.

            She's right, Trump was at the helm at the time.
            What exactly had Trump done to cool the things down and what was the result?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @02:35AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @02:35AM (#1016794)

              He may be a Russian puppet, but at least he didn't steal a pair of sneakers.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:54AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:54AM (#1016821)

                Keep going with RussiaRussiaRussia -- it gets more believable with repetition and you look more rational and intelligent the more often you say it.

                For values where:
                believable means ridiculous
                rational means crazy
                intelligent means moronic
          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @04:44AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @04:44AM (#1016841)

            I wonder if that is Trump's campaign plan. He's pretty much abandoned governing since April, hasn't intervened with state governments to further a national reopening of the economy. The Democrats are driving social unrest, Talibaning our monuments, shitting on "racist" beliefs the people have in valuing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

            They have all the media attention right now. But it is still four months until the election. Even the party conventions are still weeks away.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @11:59AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @11:59AM (#1016480)

      no candidate as alternative

      Jo Jorgensen (L)
      Howie Hawkins (G)

      Kanye West just made a vague announcement.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:24PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @12:24PM (#1016484) Journal

        no candidate as alternative

        Jo Jorgensen (L)
        Howie Hawkins (G)

        Kanye West just made a vague announcement.

        My point exactly.

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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:23PM (#1016509)

        I thought it was a vogue announcement.

    • (Score: 2) by BsAtHome on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:15PM (1 child)

      by BsAtHome (889) on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:15PM (#1016507)

      ...I don't see how the republicans will manage to do something in 4 months to the election.

      Maybe something like:
      1) deny reality
      2) cheat and lie
      3) blame the other side
      4) intervene
      5) ???
      6) win election

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:24PM (2 children)

      by legont (4179) on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:24PM (#1016510)

      Perhaps this bro will take most of blacks from Biden and even some liberal Musk fans? https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kanye-west-announces-hes-running-for-president-of-the-u-s-in-2020/ [usmagazine.com]

      Whatever one might think about voting for Biden, it's definitely NOT cool.

      --
      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:56PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:56PM (#1016662)

        Kanye West and Trump have both claimed to be "friends" with each other. A part of me wonders if this isn't a direct strategy by the machine to do try and do exactly what you allege.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:19PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:19PM (#1016672)

          About time the Republicans started getting strategic, after the Democrats have been using social unrest to try and hurt Trump's administration.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:11PM (5 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:11PM (#1016520) Journal

      Convenience sampling, dude. Don't trust the polls. If anything, I suspect someone is encouraging Kanye to run to split the black vote and damage Biden (and the more you think about that statement the more awful it gets, starting with "what fat sack of expired mayo in an ill-fitting suit decided Kanya was representative of black people?!").

      We are past the point of anything making sense. I've been warning people for years that once we get to a certain point, all the system failures will start interacting and resonating, shaking everything apart even further. It's happening.

      --
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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:17PM

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:17PM (#1016521) Journal

        I suspect someone is encouraging Kanye to run to split the black vote and damage Biden

        That seems likely. Previously he had been talking about running in 2024, which would actually make sense, rather than declaring his candidacy 4 months before the election and not being able to get onto ballots in 6+ states.

        https://deadline.com/2020/07/kanye-west-presidential-bid-july-4th-donald-trump-elon-musk-joe-biden-kim-kardashian-1202977608/ [deadline.com]
        https://www.businessinsider.com/too-late-for-kanye-west-to-run-for-president-2020-7 [businessinsider.com]

        Could also be marketing for an album.

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      • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:35PM (3 children)

        by istartedi (123) on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:35PM (#1016599) Journal

        That's funny. I was thinking that Kanye was being encouraged to run in order to split the *crazy* vote and defeat Trump.

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:25PM (2 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:25PM (#1016627) Journal

          Nope. Kanye IS Trump for black folks, and their personal failings are chillingly similar. I have no doubt that they're both narcissists, for example, though I'd rather have Kanye than Trump in office if only because he doesn't seem to have gone senile yet.

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          • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:13PM

            by istartedi (123) on Sunday July 05 2020, @09:13PM (#1016652) Journal

            Yeah, I guess I underestimated the extent to which people will vote based on skin color or even if the guy is from their home state--like a lot of Republicans probably voted for Carter just because he was from Georgia.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @10:11AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @10:11AM (#1016910)

            Kanye is nothing like Trump to black people. Prior to becoming reviled by a large portion of the American public during/after his presidential run, people looked up to Donald Trump, thought he was a great businessman, etc. Kanye was just Jay-Z's flunky, known for occasionally "acting black" in public and making sick beats.

    • (Score: 3, Troll) by tangomargarine on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:34PM (1 child)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:34PM (#1016534)

      With Trump in free-fall [fivethirtyeight.com]

      Approval ratings in the 40s is "free fall"?

      Man, are you feeling okay? Your statistics really suck today.

      --
      "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:39PM (#1016544)

        40's is not the freefall, it is the 40's whoosing by and getting higher than Trump's approval ratings. We are talking about a Delta here, and the tragectory is in the downward vector.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:38AM (6 children)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Sunday July 05 2020, @07:38AM (#1016423)

    Trump and other politicians be treated like regular citizens on the various social media platforms.

    I don't agree with social media companies censoring stuff willy-nilly (although I realize it's their right) but I disagree even more with certain "important" individuals getting preferential treatment. It's corrosive to democracy: ordinary Joe Blows can't - rightfully - post hate speech online seeing Trump getting away with it only fuels hatred for politicians. And it undermines the credibility of social media companies that try to convince you they're impartial. Not that they have much credibility to begin with...

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:16AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @10:16AM (#1016465)

      The problem is that most of it is only hate speech because they hate who said it. Try to get someone to show you an actual racist tweet from Trump. Be prepared for links to a wide array of things claiming Trump is a racist tweeter, but not one link to an actual tweet. Point this out and you will be abused as a Trump fan.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:43PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @05:43PM (#1016546)

        Doesn't matter what you say, AC, I hate you! I hate your face! I hate your nose! I hate your ass, I hate your toes! I hate your guts, I hate your putz! I hate your words, and I hate your turds! I will not listen to anything you say, and you need to be shut up today! De-platform AC! Contact AC's advertisers! Defund AC!! There, I said it.

        Anyone else notice a disturbance in the inter-force? As if hundreds of insane rightwing voices suddenly cried out in terror, here on SN, because their subreddit got shut down?

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:49PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:49PM (#1016577)

          Q.E.D.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:28AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @06:28AM (#1016868)

            F.U.P.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by legont on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:28PM

      by legont (4179) on Sunday July 05 2020, @02:28PM (#1016512)

      Have right? No way. Let's not forget that the union between corporations and politicians is called fascism.

      --
      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:48PM (#1016575)

      There's no such thing as "Hate Speech" (Jew construct) in the US, you stupid fuck.

  • (Score: 2) by Username on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:01AM (5 children)

    by Username (4557) on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:01AM (#1016431)

    It's almost like Trump is coming up for reelection.

    Isn't hating a speech from 2015... hate speech? Why didn't they ban it in... 2015?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:14AM (4 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 05 2020, @08:14AM (#1016438) Journal

      Why didn't they ban it in... 2015?

      They gave His Orangeness enough rope to hang himself.
      And so he did [pewresearch.org]

      As the United States simultaneously struggles with a pandemic, an economic recession and protests about police violence and racial justice, the share of the public saying they are satisfied with the way things are going in the country has plummeted from 31% in April, during the early weeks of the coronavirus outbreak, to just 12% today.

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      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:31PM (2 children)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Sunday July 05 2020, @04:31PM (#1016533)

        the share of the public saying they are satisfied with the way things are going in the country has plummeted from 31% in April, during the early weeks of the coronavirus outbreak, to just 12% today.

        How is this statistic actually useful? "I think everything is going fine" is very different than "I think Trump is doing a good job".

        You can think everything in the crapper without thinking it's Trump's fault.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @12:26AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @12:26AM (#1016737)

          You can think everything in the crapper without thinking it's Trump's fault

          ... if you don't watch the news.

          • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday July 06 2020, @02:36PM

            by tangomargarine (667) on Monday July 06 2020, @02:36PM (#1017047)

            Or you just watch Fox News.

            --
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      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:52PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:52PM (#1017096)

        Here is how to know you are on the 'right side'.

        You are the one not trying to burn books and censor everyone around you. You are looking at openly Marxists saying the 1st amendment is bad for some people but not others. That your right to free speech is not inalienable. But can be controlled. Oh but they can censor because it is a private corporation. Dipstick ideas like that. These ideas are meant to let you dismiss people. Ignore their ideals. Ignore what they have to say. Trump has been pretty much 100% clear on his ideals. Lets get American jobs instead of shipping the overseas and importing illegal aliens to pay under the table and keep both groups in fear of their jobs.

        The founding fathers were lawyers. The first 10 items on the bill of rights read nearly as a complaint list against the Crown. They knew exactly how to take someones rights away and keep control. They were the English lawyers who did it. They knew exactly how to dismantle oppression. Because they were the boots on the ground to enforce what the King came up with.

        If you wanted to subvert the rights of the people attack those 10 items. It is how previous generations did it. They created that list as rules to follow. Marxists throw that out. They hate us because their shit ideology failed. They turned their backs on logic and turned to feelings to make it work. Because it must work. They feel it in their bones. Do not trust these liars who take words to make them mean something else. They will come for you and take what you say out of context and make you pay for it. There is no repentance to these people, you are scum. It is like the story of the Air Force trying to come up with the average flight suit. They did, and it fit nobody. Because there is something everyone has. No one is the idealized man that must exist and everyone must be for Marxism to exist.

        to just 12% today
        Yeah it sure was the 'orange man' who did this. Not my Mayor who is marching with the Marxists. Not my Mayor who closed all of the stores and restaurants. Not my mayor who is out helping paint the streets. Not my governor who is making everyone wear a mask which depending on the time of day may save every one or not do shit. Yep I am sure blaming the 'orange man'. The mayors and governors of our country are allowing this to go on. Take for example Seattle and its 'summer of love'. Gun shot wounds every night for a week straight. Who knows what else was going on. They show up at her house. Whole thing shut down and cleaned up in 2-3 days. That Mayor *LET* that chaos happen. She is not alone.

        You may or may not disagree with Trump but he has shown us exactly what the DNC is and what they stand for. It is not us. It is Marxists who give 2 shits about you or your family. They care about the power they think they are going to get not realizing they are what the KGB nicely called 'useful idiots'.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Sunday July 05 2020, @01:36PM (12 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday July 05 2020, @01:36PM (#1016500) Journal

    When you have a bunch of bigoted morons getting together to echo their untrue and largely irrelevant fears to each other, inevitably they wrongly blame the outside groups they're already prejudiced against, and call for violence.

    But don't be fooled by the apparent stupidity in getting things wrong. That's not where their idiocy really comes out. Many of them know quite well that they're full of sh*t, and are trolling, and think the rest of us are the stupid ones for not getting that. They purposefully spew things they know deep down are lies, in pursuit of their real goal of winning Nature's game of "survival of the fittest". If there are fewer brown people, that leaves more room for more white people. To them, that's what life is about, and all that it is about. Winning isn't everything, winning is the only thing! The real idiocy is that they don't get why playing that game dirty, the way they do, is folly.

    Tearing down the bulletin boards they use to parade their lies, what does that accomplish, really? It definitely feeds their paranoia and sense of grievance and victim-hood. I don't know what is a good answer to this problem. One of the few things that does work, fast, is showing them that they are badly outnumbered. That makes them tuck in their tails and slink back to their rat holes, and begin to think that maybe there's good reason why the majority does not share their views. Another one that works, albeit slowly, is education, particularly college education. High school could work too, but sadly, that is too often administered by idiots who constantly seek to maintain order through enforcement of arbitrary rules, stuff like no dying your hair weird colors such as green, and no reading of certain books such as Huckleberry Finn. You know the sort-- the kind of administrator who wants to keep things simple, rushes to judgment, gets it wrong, and doesn't care because he's bigoted against the wrongly accused anyway. He's got a simple way to railroad someone he's prejudiced against, and he's going to use it. Further, it is especially upside-down to have teachers who are jealous of and hate smart kids, the educator who hates those who are best at receiving education, but there are plenty of those too. High school has too much of that kind of crap, and it sets a terrible example. The students are hardly innocent in all this, constantly pushing school into being nothing more than a popularity contest that requires conformance with a bunch of petty and mean invented standards the real purpose of which is to serve as shibboleths, which make an all too good foundation for bigotry.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:02PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:02PM (#1016519)

      yep,

      Shutting all this stuff down isn't stopping it, it is concentrating it. It is a distillation process. 8chan was an example of that. There were a lot of dumbass's on 8chan, but they were mostly there because they got banned elsewhere. Crazy only appears crazy because it is different from its sarroundings.

      More banning means more extremism, not more. If there are that many people being swayed by propaganda, then maybe there is some consideration to be given as to how much consumer choice exists? Maybe the issue isn't that there is a lot of propaganda, but that it is more covert than it used to be? And the reason it is more convert than it used to be is because of the ad-tracking industry. Propaganda is less effective when it is generalized.

      IOW, if you want to stop extremism, the tool to do that is already there. Restore the 4th amendment and suddenly you'll find that attacking the 1st stops being neccessary.

      Which is to say that micro-targetting is the reason for the increase in polarization. If you want to create rational discourse, stop using it. And I say that knowing that every word I write here is being used to vector psychologically abusive content at me personally to convince me that some asshat is on my side. Which pisses me off, and makes me supportive of those who would take restorative measures. So extremism is being created, even if it is just extremism to see each others civil rights respected.

      Speech is being chilled. Extremism is increasing because it is being chilled. I base this on the fact that I would consider the micro-targeted corporate response to this post before making it. And more often than not I choose not to post because of the effect micro-targetted content has on my own mental health. I am aware of the psycholigical schism. Most people aren't. That schism leads to stress, which makes them vulnerable to fundamentalist persuasion, which leads to riots. BLM is just the dissident brand dejour. People are standing up because they are discontent. The discontent doesn't neccessarily mean that they believe in BLM, it just means that they want to stand up and that is the only place they feel enough mutual support to do so.

      I am not a strict-constitutionalist. However I am a strict jursdictionalist. When the scope of bench law exceeds the size and effect of a constitutional amendment, it is extra-jurisdictional to the judiciary branch. Which is to say the courts have buffered corporate intrusion into civil rights to such an extent that the collective precedent has become injurious to the exercise of civil discourse. IOW Corporate personhood and partularly corporate speech, in the form of micro-targeting, is having a chilling effect on the first amendment.

      But no worries, SCOTUS is a one stop shop for all law relating to speech, no other branch is neccessary. /sarc

      It is irrational to think that the DNC and RNC aren't both aware of the effect of micro-targetting considering they both buy the related products. In this regard they are both on the side of polarization and extremism. Or more succinctly, both mainstream parties affirm and abide a track towards extremism that has been laid by the corporate sector, and SCOTUS has also endorsed that path through its insane interpration of the preamble and article 1.

      The only people voting in a two party system in this country, are those voting for third parties.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:30PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @03:30PM (#1016522)

        Damn, i opened this reply to a wall of text to get at the interesting part to only get another wall. Gonna have to wait for the 3rd option to get the tldr low down (hint: this isn’t it).

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 05 2020, @06:52PM (#1016580)

      Oh sure. It's all lies and the big tech firms run by Jews (in the foreground or background) are censoring it to save people. What an idiotic Goy slave.

    • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Monday July 06 2020, @01:09AM (5 children)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Monday July 06 2020, @01:09AM (#1016759) Journal

      So are you talking about RussiaRussiaRussia or the white nationalist who ran over two people on I-5 in Seattle this weekend?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @04:33AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @04:33AM (#1016835)

        the white nationalist who ran over two people on I-5 in Seattle this weekend

        You mean this white nationalist of Somali origin?
        https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/07/04/dawit-kelete-suspected-cia-usaid-playboy-assassin-in-seattle-high-speed-ramming-his-social-media/ [veteranstoday.com]

        • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by hemocyanin on Tuesday July 07 2020, @08:59AM (1 child)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday July 07 2020, @08:59AM (#1017541) Journal

          Exactly,

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Tuesday July 07 2020, @09:02AM

            by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday July 07 2020, @09:02AM (#1017542) Journal

            Well -- not exactly that piece of conspiracy theory. But it was interesting to watch the narrative unfold until we got to the point where instead of "white male" all the legacy media could say is "white car".

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:55PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:55PM (#1017098)

        Actually the driver has a pretty good case. Clearly the protest wasn't permitted because the roadblock cars weren't cop cars. Second, the road probably was placarded 70/45 or "no slow moving traffic".

        So the people who put up an incompetent road block are accessories to manslaughter, and the peds were injured because they broke the law. So the driver is up for maybe negligence, because he should have been able to stop. But the manslaughter charges are on the first crime. Which was doing a half assed job of blocking a highway.

        Christ, at the very least they could have put some extra lights on the fucking van. They turned the vehicles sideways so the head and taillights didn't face the oncomming traffic. They might as well have just put a timber log across the road.

        I almost got creamed by a cement trailing because of something similar. The tail lights were narrowly spaced, and it was foggy. From a distance it looked like a vehicle much much further away. His trailer was not in conformance with safety standards, so it would have been his fault if I hit him.

        The accident was caused by the owners of the roadblock cars. The state has a standard for putting up safe roadblocks. My guess is in this state it was publicly available on the Internet. The roadblock didn't make ANY effort to conform to the standard. It was therefore criminally negligent. The resulting homicides would be the result of that criminal negligence, and the respective deaths therefore manslaughter. the driver was an unwilling participant.

        That is the argument I would make. And he/she will probably get off, (and should) because the jury will all have had near run ins with dumbass's on the highway.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @05:15PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @05:15PM (#1017157)

          Remember, this happened in the city that withdrew police and left the mob to rule part of it. If a demonstration for POC want to occupy a major highway in the middle of the night, then they can certainly do so in Seattle.

          The driver being a POC himself won't help him here.

          #BLM

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:31PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @03:31PM (#1017071)

      Are these the same 'morons' who just tore down the statue of Fredrick Douglas? You should look him up. Quite a remarkable man.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @04:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2020, @04:17PM (#1017115)

        So was Lee. Which was why Lincoln asked him to command the northern armies. Incidentally he refused knowing full well that his entire estate would be siezed. You've seen it of course. Arlington cemetery is Lee's old place.

        Southern whites celebrate the men who fought, not the reason they fought. The fact that the statues didn't go up until the 20th century is because that is how long it took the economy of the south to recover from war. The daughters of the confederacy, are just that. Daughters. Who loved their veteran fathers just like any daughter does.

        I understand the beef. But BLM is a bunch of hooligans and I will never support them.

        I canvased for Obama BTW. So my white guilt card is all payed up. I can think your a dick now and it doesn't have to be about race. Yay progress!

        Have a nice day.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Tuesday July 07 2020, @09:05AM

        by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday July 07 2020, @09:05AM (#1017543) Journal

        They aren't morons. They know who he is. They are intentionally trying to erase American history.

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