from the Ownership-is-nine-tenths-of-the-law dept.
China has sent armed vessels and fishing boats into Indonesian waters fueling tensions between the nations in another move by China to try to claim ownership of the region. With China now deliberately sending vessels into the waters of other countries, their actions may be seen as the start of armed hostilities. For years China has made political and financial maneuvers to claim control over other nations through debt and intimidation. Indonesia has refused to negotiate with China on the matter as they see the actions as China invading their territory. With both sides bringing both sky and sea vehicles into the region the outcome of this issue may be a deciding point to determine whether or not China will be pushed out of the region. While the ruling by the UN is very clear about the region, China refuses to accept it.
China appears to have forgotten why the UN was formed in the first place. Japan learned a hard lesson in 1945.
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China's devious move under cover of virus
As outbreaks debilitate the US navy, there are fears China may be using the coronavirus pandemic as cover for asserting control over the South China Sea.
A Vietnamese fishing boat has been rammed and sunk. Military aircraft have landed at its artificial-island fortresses. And large-scale naval exercises has let everyone know China's navy is still pushing the boundaries, hard.
Meanwhile, the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier strike group has retreated from the contested waterway in an unscheduled return to Guam – with hundreds of cases of COVID-19 on board.
China's Peoples Liberation Army knows this presents an opportunity.
"The outbreak of COVID-19 has significantly lowered the US Navy's warship deployment capability in the Asia-Pacific region," an article on its official website declares.
The website insists not a single one of its soldiers, sailors or pilots had contracted COVID-19. Instead, the crisis had served to strengthen the combat readiness and resolve of the Chinese military.
That has international affairs analysts worried that even a short-term withdrawal of US and international from the East and South China Seas could give Beijing the opportunity it has been waiting for.
"I think China is exploiting the US Navy's coronavirus challenges to improve its position in the South China Sea by giving the appearance it can and will operate there at will while the US is hamstrung," former Pacific Command Joint Intelligence Centre director Carl Schuster told CNN.
Previously:
(2020-01-09) China Initiates Conflict with Indonesia in the South China Sea
(2019-12-21) Malaysian Top Envoy: China's 'Nine-Dash Line' Claim 'Ridiculous'
(2019-11-22) US Warships Sail in Disputed South China Sea Amid Tensions
(2019-05-14) China Builds New Type 002 Mega Carrier as the Age of Sea Power Wanes
(2018-05-13) China Begins Sea Trials for its First Domestically Developed Aircraft Carrier
(2017-12-24) World's Largest Amphibious Plane in Production Takes Flight in China
(2017-05-25) US Warship Challenges China's Claims in South China Sea
(2017-04-26) China Launches Aircraft Carrier
(2017-03-14) Japan to Send its Biggest Warship to the South China Sea
(2017-01-13) Chinese State Media Boasts About its New Electronic Reconnaissance Ship
(2016-07-14) China's South China Sea Claims Rejected By "Binding" but Unenforceable Tribunal Ruling
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @03:25AM (10 children)
People all worried about Iran starting WWIII when they can't even keep from shooting down their own planes. China has been 1939 Germany all along: secretly building island bases, getting countries dependent on their economy, taking over australia and parts of africa. All under everyone's noses, including the cultural and information war.
Color me shocked.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @04:00AM (7 children)
And their concentration camps would make Hitler blush
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday January 10 2020, @04:19AM
Those camps in Xinjiang are voluntary vocational training centers [cnn.com]. Get it right!
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @12:12PM (4 children)
What a fucking idiotic comment. And the idiots that mod this "insigtful" are fucked up in the head too.
Whatever you want to say about China's re-education camps and any brainwashing going there, it's probably not the same as executing millions of people in carbon-monoxide gas chambers and burning their bodies. Right?? Fucking hell.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:02PM
That particular point might have been out of scale, but the sentiment is correct. China is Nazi Germany in the late 1930's. They have been gearing up for a confrontation with the West (and their allies Japan and South Korea) for decades; anyone who has been reading Congressional whitepapers on the subject will know that. They have a national ideology of Volk and a drive for lebensraum. They have been cultivating the 300 million ethnic Chinese throughout the ASEAN countries (Sudetenland Germans, anyone?). They have been building bases in the South China Sea and roping Africa into a new colonial structure. Their One Belt, One Road Initiative has been trying to do the same through Central Asia. Chinese have been infiltrating Siberia to secure its resources for the Han.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is the real WWIII. Iran and Syria and the entire rest of the Middle East are a pitiful sideshow.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @05:29PM
Not burning them, no. Can't profit from the organ harvesting if you do that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 11 2020, @09:19PM
Oh shut the fuck up you tv watching, windows-using moron. The fucking Jews weren't gassed, you asshat. They died from typhus and starvation caused by the bombing of supply lines by the allies. The international capitalist Jews and their gentile conspirators sent their slave states, the US, the soviet union and the UK into Germany to stop Germany from fully realizing national socialism.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday January 12 2020, @01:36AM
So hitler writes down he wants to kill all jews, then gets to power and spends 100Mjoules of energy for each body burned, during wartime, to, dunno, erase the traces or whatever. Bodies used as lampshades yay, fertilizer nay. Yet another strange occurrence in the wacky world wars.
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(Score: 2) by Coward, Anonymous on Friday January 10 2020, @02:17PM
That's a lie. Where are the gas chambers and mass graves? They would be visible by satellite.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Coward, Anonymous on Friday January 10 2020, @02:31PM
US military is deployed in more 150 countries. Look in the mirror.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @07:38PM
If you notice, it is not much different from what the USA do, by the way!
Even USA "concentration camps", both the immigrants and refugees, AND the prisons ( remember that USA have the higher Incarceration rate per capita in the world and even higher number of prisoners than China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate) [wikipedia.org]
The major different between USA and China is that in the USA, they think they are free (hint: they are not) and in China they don't even think about that.
It is easy to point fingers to outsiders and be blind to the own actions... and power corrupts, so with time, countries with power will get more and more evil... just check the history, it happen all over time.
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Friday January 10 2020, @03:55AM (17 children)
China learned the lesson. They got nukes before aircraft carriers.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @07:49AM (14 children)
Their planning is 60 years, 200 years. Not 4 years or just till the next election. I have been trying to alert people for the past 20+ years but they still think I'm mad. The day of reckoning approaches. And who will pay? The guilty politicians who led us into this mess? No - it will be your kids, brothers, uncles, fathers - who will have to sacrifice again to free the world.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @12:09PM (3 children)
The change from the 5-year plans and their 2 term leaders to the current leader for life kind of broke the proper planning ahead, didn't it?
Even if American planning is next election, it doesn't mean that bureaucracy doesn't plan for 10 or 20 years. The UN Montreal Protocols were actually world planning ahead that 20 or 40 years to not fuck up the ozone layer. And it worked.
China is no longer planning anything ahead. It's broken for last 5 years as Xi concentrated power away from the bureaucracy and technocrats into his own hands. You see, as long as we have a bureaucracy running the show, the show will go on more or less on track. But as soon as we get power hungry idiots elected, like Erdogan or Trump or Hitler or Putin, the show can quickly fuck itself up. Generally, you have 1 election after that is still free, but then, well, nothing.
Pretty shitty summary, but well, whatever. US has very little say in the area now, so China might as well step in. China's not invading anything. They are just pushing buttons.
I would say China is doing hell of a better job than US in this regard anyway. (see US pushing buttons in Middle East)
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @03:46PM
As a good MSM believing NPC, you should be aware that Hungary's Orban and Poland's Morawiecki are also on the list of democratically elected leaders that we should hate, and we should just let our betters decide for us.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:06PM (1 child)
So what you're saying is, the Deep State is good and we should just let it do whatever it wants because voters don't know what's good for them? That is telling. Thank you for being honest with us.
You heard it here, folks. Democracy sucks and citizens should not be allowed to elect leaders who change the policy direction of their countries.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday January 12 2020, @01:39AM
That's also the subtext of every socialist speech I ever heard when The People is projected not to vote left.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 10 2020, @01:01PM (6 children)
But are they any good [soylentnews.org] at it? Just because you play chess, doesn't make you a grandmaster.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:12PM (5 children)
No, the long-term strategic thinkers the Chinese are feared to be are so masterful that they got their asses kicked for several centuries in a row by what were mice from the other side of the world. Concessions were forced on them by the French. By the French. That's gotta just be fucking humiliating.
So, yeah, if we're gonna award the sobriquet of "Master of Long-term Strategy" to anybody in East Asia, it would have to be the Japanese, hands-down. After Commodore Perry they got down to business damn quick and within 40 years were defeating Russia, a major European power, in a war.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Saturday January 11 2020, @02:05AM (4 children)
You must be American, can't accept that the French beat you in your war of independence and can't admit that the only reason you beat the British was from the help from France.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 11 2020, @06:10AM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday January 11 2020, @06:32AM (1 child)
Yes, a small united force can beat a large not united force.
Actually, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-French_War [wikipedia.org], it was basically a draw militarily but the French may have won diplomatically, though that is unclear as the French government fell due to the peace treaty. Both sides claimed victory.
The only other war that I can find that involved the French and Chinese was the second opium war which was an alliance between the UK, the USA and the French and considering what was going on in China at the time, namely the Taiping Revolution, one of the bloodiest wars ever, it is not surprising the Chinese lost.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 11 2020, @01:02PM
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday January 12 2020, @10:46PM
Of course I skipped over the whole Napoleonic era and key French assistance at Yorktown.
It's true I punctured the grand illusion of Chinese strategic brilliance at French expense. I weighed going with the Dutch instead but they don't have a sense of humor. :-)
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @03:26PM (2 children)
Nah, I'm already past military age. It'll be the millennials that will have to fight this one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @08:21PM (1 child)
Fuckin' sissy. The millenials are going to need role models. Get your ass out there and become an instructor!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 11 2020, @12:46AM
Do not worry. Once elected president, Michael Bloomberg will find the right people to turn those millennial incels into killing machines.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 11 2020, @07:43AM (1 child)
Perhaps when they lose a couple of cities they will reconsider their global expansion plans?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday January 11 2020, @01:12PM
Hmm, I didn't realize they only had an estimated 260 warheads. That might not be enough for M.A.D. Better than zero for deterrence though, and they can make more easily.
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @04:59AM
This shouldn't be shocking to anyone with a clue. Darkies are unable to control their violent tendencies. Here we have the chinks going attacking another group of darkies. While I understand that Indonesia doesn't like the chinks niggering some of their territory, civilized people would resolve this through diplomacy. However, these tendencies could also be used to benefit the west. If we could convince the chinks that the ragheads in Iran have some of their territory, it could solve some of the world's biggest problems. However, these violent and aggressive tendencies underscore the reasons that our great President Trump is trying to restrict the amount of darkies entering the United States.
Before you criticize me and say that this aggressive expansionist behavior is unique to China, keep in mind that they're simply imitating the behavior of the japs prior to and during WWII. This threat must be contained and kept away from North America and Europe.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @06:26AM (6 children)
Overall, China tends to avoid direct conflict, but for some reason they are obsessed with ocean territory around them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @02:34PM (3 children)
Probably because the UK Navy kicked their ass in the Opium Wars.
These wars (how they lost Hong Kong) and the period after are their "never again" lessons.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @03:31PM (2 children)
"勿忘国耻" as inscribed on statues and monuments in China.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:17PM (1 child)
And the ever popular sign at the entrance of the park in the treaty port of Shanghai that read, "No dogs or Chinese allowed." It's a myth, but every mainlander cites it.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday January 10 2020, @07:29PM
Probably because of the movie 'Fist of Fury' with Bruce Lee....
(Score: 2) by Coward, Anonymous on Friday January 10 2020, @02:39PM
How else are they going to beat their military chests? Maybe it strengthens their hand in other domains. If you do this for us, we'll be nice in the South China Sea.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:21PM
They're avoiding direct conflict because they have not yet had the means to defeat the United States and its allies. That will change.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @08:00AM
other than obvious resource issues, south china sea has always been positioning for hard takeover (keepever) of formosa.
(Score: 4, Funny) by DavePolaschek on Friday January 10 2020, @01:43PM (4 children)
The four stories shown in the google news "World" section are Iran/US out of Iraq, Royal family nonsense, Iran shot down a plane, and Australia is on fire.
I’d just like to say thanks to whichever AC submitted this one. My shorts are a little browner now, thanks to you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:19PM
Seconded. I let my subscription to Stratfor lapse a while ago, but perhaps it's worth renewing. We can't rely on the mainstream media to report important news anymore.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Coward, Anonymous on Friday January 10 2020, @04:58PM (1 child)
Like we are not getting enough anti-China stories. I'm sure that if this site had existed in 2003, there would have been daily stories about WMD in Iraq.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday January 10 2020, @07:21PM
This is much more interesting than your typical US/China story. This is about China and a sovereign country with skin in the game as it were with regards to the South China Sea.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 12 2020, @04:04AM
AC here. No problem. I saw this on our local news site, which is a little usual because we're so far in bed with the Chinese they may as well own the place. They are actively buying it up due to the Aus-China FTA .. but that's another story.
Be concerned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @02:49PM
the strategy would be to sell the "energy rich" waters very very expensive (blood!) and once the chinese feel victorious and start investing in extraction infrastructure, the "free world" pulls out the secrit weapon and gets it all in one fell swoop?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Friday January 10 2020, @03:04PM (3 children)
I would say there are a few parties that were dragged kicking and screaming to the UN and both Israel and China come to mind.
Much of the United States population welcomes the idea and is enthusiastic for the good parts, but the US cultural hegemony(much of which is sadly traitorous israelis) rejects it just as bad as Israel and China.
Rules for thee but none for me....
Since the United Nations has never been weaker, and Israel and China have never had so much mass media domination, we are seeing both China and Israel grab land and taunt/gaslight the United Nations, as well as the parts of the western world that try to maintain some sense of moral law.
Through proxy means Brazil and Bolivia were put in the hands of the worst kind of globalist stooges, zionists. Venezuela may be next but maybe not. But these were not organic revolutions, this was helicopters of petrodollars being dropped on the media, judiciary and armed forces of those countries in a very 'cipher bribing' kind of way. Those people taking those bribes are buying island vacation property as we speak to loot the country and get out, to a country that doesnt have those problems where they can be peaceably rich and have a nice steak.
There is a risk of a war that is only competing fascisms, and so I am trying as hard as I can to create an ideological space that does not intende to erase the works of Jefferson and Locke from the human mind permanently.
I would prefer not to work alone.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @06:29PM (2 children)
How did parent get modded up so high? Green Party shills running the site now?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 10 2020, @08:27PM
Dunno the answer to your question, but JMichael appears to be going full-on Ethanol Fueled. Can't help wondering it Hudson is maybe an EF alter-ego.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday January 11 2020, @08:07AM
Moderation is nothing to do with the 'people running the site'. The community carry out the moderation, those running the site ... well, they run the site.