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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:35PM   Printer-friendly
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Galaxy S20 Ultra to come with a whopping 16GB of RAM

After the recent leak of live pictures of Samsung's next flagship smartphone, the Galaxy S20, more details have started to trickle in about the upcoming device.

[...] we're getting three sizes: the Galaxy S20, Galaxy S20+, and the highest-end phone, the Galaxy S20 Ultra. In the US, they're all going to be 5G with Qualcomm Snapdragon 865 SoCs, and internationally you should be able to find 4G and 5G versions with Samsung Exynos chips.

[...] Max Weinbach, the XDA author who scored the live pictures of the Galaxy S20, has some spec info.

The S20 Ultra 5G is going to keep the SD Card slot. Support for up to 1TB.

It will also be available in 128GB/256GB/512GB and have a 12GB and 16GB RAM option.

108MP main, 48MP 10x optical, 12MP ultra wide.

5000 mAh battery with 45W option fast charge. 0 to 100% in 74 min.

— Max Weinbach (@MaxWinebach) January 13, 2020

16GB of RAM would be a new high point for smartphones. That is an absolutely ridiculous amount of memory and would outclass many laptops out there, which typically start at 8GB of RAM. As for what you're supposed to do with all that memory, it might be useful for Samsung's DeX desktop mode, which lets you kick the phone over to a full windowed PC interface by hooking it up to a monitor, mouse, and keyboard. A baseline of 12GB—the highest-end config for the Galaxy S10—would be a big increase, too. As connected Samsung leaker Ice Universe points out, this will most likely be LPDDR5, which Samsung has already put into production.

The Galaxy S10 came in storage tiers of 128GB, 512GB, and 1TB, so the listed S20 tiers of 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB would be a downgrade. The good news is that there's still a MicroSD slot—on the "Ultra" model, at least.

Also rumored are a 5000mAh battery and 120 Hz display.

Also at: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/01/14/samsung_galaxy_s20/


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:42PM (8 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:42PM (#943586) Journal

    10 seconds later

    5 new "cool" javascript frameworks are loaded into every page somehow managing to consume all of it to look at one picture on a photo sharing site.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:46PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:46PM (#943588)

      cat photo sharing site.

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by ikanreed on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:48PM (2 children)

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:48PM (#943589) Journal

        cat: photo: No such file or directory
        cat: sharing: No such file or directory
        cat: site: No such file or directory

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by driverless on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:39AM

          by driverless (4770) on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:39AM (#943853)

          cat: feedme feedme feedme feedme feedme feedme. miaow.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:42AM (#943901)

          Sorry, the cat ate it.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:59PM

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Wednesday January 15 2020, @02:59PM (#943595) Journal

      If your smartphone doesn't have at least a terabyte of RAM, you're basically an amoeba.

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    • (Score: 2) by arslan on Wednesday January 15 2020, @09:48PM

      by arslan (3462) on Wednesday January 15 2020, @09:48PM (#943797)

      No joke. You can bet that at least one of them will be doing crypto mining.

    • (Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:37AM

      by driverless (4770) on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:37AM (#943852)

      Galaxy S20 Ultra to Come With a Whopping 16GB of RAM

      Meh. Galaxy 3C279 comes with a superluminal galactic jet, and Galaxy NGC6872 comes with a grand design spiral nucleus.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @10:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @10:58AM (#944483)

      Don't we pretty much have that already?

      One to control how the site itself looks and of course to drive the menu system et al.
      Another to protect the invisible property unrights of the content.
      Another to perimeter check to guard against hackers and people who like to be anonymous.
      Another to serve ads.
      Another to collect usage data to send to whomever will pay the most for metadata about visitors.
      Another to scan the user's computer for anything useful and interesting to send back to website owners for their personal amusement and potential blackmail opportunities.

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 15 2020, @03:04PM (5 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 15 2020, @03:04PM (#943599) Journal

    Before you know it, phones will have enough memory to run Java!

    Oh, wait. Android (since Android N) use Open JDK. Before "N", Android was based on Apache Harmony -- a "java workalike" open source project primarily contributed to by IBM.

    In the next Open JDK the max memory limit has been raised to 16 TB because just a few TB is not enough for some applications (seriously). But still limited (AFAIK) to only 768 cores. With 1 ms GC pause times -- but a number of cores might be tied up full time doing GC.

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    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday January 15 2020, @04:13PM (4 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday January 15 2020, @04:13PM (#943642) Journal
      Android does not, and never has, "run Java." The Java source has always been transcoded into a different runtime -not bytecode for the JVM. It's why most of the Java language won't run on Android - you're limited to a subset of the Java classes that have been ported to run on the ART (Android runtime). There's nothing JVM on Android phones. If there were, it might have halved the bloatware that Android apps weigh in - still bloated, but less.
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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday January 15 2020, @04:36PM (3 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 15 2020, @04:36PM (#943656) Journal

        Android does not, and never has, "run Java."

        That is true.

        The Java source has always been transcoded into a different runtime -not bytecode for the JVM.

        That is NOT true.

        The Java source HAS ALWAYS been compiled by a standard Java compiler into JVM bytecode. In the development system. Similarly other compilers (like Kotlin) take take other source codes and generate JVM bytecode, at development time.

        The Android development tools (Android SDK) then build an APK file with Dalvik bytecode. Part of this process involves compiling JVM bytecode into Dalvik bytecode. And yes it is an actual compiler even though it's "source" is JVM bytecode. (unrelated: JVM's C1 and C2 compilers also take JVM byte code as their "source" code.) All of the JVM bytecode (even if not from "Java source") is compiled to Dalvik.

        When the APK is built by the Android SDK, your project might include JAR files (jvm bytecode) that came from compilers other than Java source code. Those JAR files are also compiled into Dalvik. Java is not the only source code language that compiles into jvm bytecode. Once the APK is built there is no JVM bytecode. (but see possibility below)

        most of the Java language won't run on Android

        To be pedantic, "the language" runs. All of it.

        The Android runtime has a subset of the APIs Java programmers are accustomed to. It's not everything Java programmers might want. But is a large and useful subset. A lot of things don't make sense on a phone, like CORBA or RMI, for example.

        In Android prior to "N" (Nouget) Android was based on (a subset of) Apache Harmony, which was about Java 1.5 level.

        Starting with Android "N" (Nouget), Android was based on (a subset of) Open JDK. (hey Oracle, if you don't like Google using Apache Harmony, then Google will switch to genuine Open JDK!)

        I have not used Android development tools since Android N, so I don't know how large the subset it. But I understand it now includes more things, like, I believe, more of the standard MIDI APIs from Java, and probably other things. That way you can use more standard APIs and other third party JARs that use standard APIs to do ordinary things -- without needing to do them "the android way".

        There's nothing JVM on Android phones.

        That is true.

        By the time an APK is built it is all Dalvik bytecode.

        It is apparently possible for an app to have the JVM to Dalvik bytecode compiler within the app itself -- the compiler having been compiled to Dalvik bytecode running on Android. In this case, the app can take JVM bytecode -- at runtime -- and produce Dalvik code. In fact, the app can generate JVM bytecode at runtime, compile that to Dalvik, and then run it. (See: Clojure, a lisp like language. I haven't seen any recent builds of Clojure on Android)

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        • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday January 15 2020, @05:30PM (1 child)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday January 15 2020, @05:30PM (#943685) Journal
          Try to make swing components run on Android. Good luck with that.
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          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 15 2020, @05:41PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 15 2020, @05:41PM (#943688) Journal

            Swing is an example of APIs excluded from Android. For good reason. It doesn't make sense. Swing is a classic desktop GUI toolkit.

            Despite Google excluding swing, some perverse and highly motivated person could probably build a working implementation. Swing rests on AWT which isn't that large. If they could get Component to work, they're a lot of the way. But . . . why would anyone do this?

            And why would anyone want it?

            As I said, some parts of Java just don't make sense on a phone.

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        • (Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:42AM

          by driverless (4770) on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:42AM (#943855)

          It's OK, Oracle, or at least Oracle's lawyers, are working to fix that.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday January 15 2020, @03:56PM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 15 2020, @03:56PM (#943630) Journal

    no headphone jack [soylentnews.org]

    And photos [xda-developers.com]

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @04:38PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @04:38PM (#943659)

      And in my opinion, privacy and os updates won't be as good as iOS; in my opinion it's just more expensive and insecure android junk

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Acabatag on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:37PM

        by Acabatag (2885) on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:37PM (#943734)

        You can presume you have privacy on Apple. It's a much more closed platform, though, so you can't verify it.

        Just trust Apple. If that's your choice.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @05:51PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @05:51PM (#943693)

    "If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it".

    I'm afraid I can't afford it ^_^;;

    CYA

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Acabatag on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:39PM (5 children)

      by Acabatag (2885) on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:39PM (#943736)

      I'm on a refurbed Galaxy S7 that was $99.

      That's about what I'm willing to pay and I got a 'flagship' for that price.

      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday January 15 2020, @09:14PM (1 child)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday January 15 2020, @09:14PM (#943789)

        And why not? The S7 was a pretty good phone, and continues to do anything you might need to do.

        I have an S8 that I bought after the S9 was released, so I got it at a roughly 50% discount. It will do everything I want it to until something vital fails., which might be 5 years.

        When that does happen, I will buy the previous years' flagship again.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:24AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:24AM (#944498)

          Even though it includes apps you can't uninstall that send data to China?

      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:45AM

        by driverless (4770) on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:45AM (#943857)

        Friend of mine got some refurb'd Galaxy Note 7's real cheap, then took them on a trip across Australia a month or so back.

        He won't be doing that again in a hurry.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:03AM (#944486)

        Your phone is sending data back to China. Good luck with that.

        Fuck Samsung.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:21AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:21AM (#944496)

        How much is that data your Samsung phone is sending back to China worth? 1c per byte?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:52AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:52AM (#943860)

      I thought they said it was $20.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:26PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:26PM (#943724)

    does this POS require blobs for the firmware and/or drivers? will it run postmarketOS or ubuntu touch without a bunch of BS? if not, shove that flagship up your Taiwanese ass.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Acabatag on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:41PM (1 child)

      by Acabatag (2885) on Wednesday January 15 2020, @07:41PM (#943738)

      Korean. Samsung is a Korean company.

      It's the Apple products that are manufactured in China by a Taiwanese company.

      Do you have the source code for the firmware in your keyboard? In your hard drive??

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:18PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:18PM (#944167)

        yeah, i just blanked on that. no i don't have the firmware for my keyboard or hdd, but i buy the most open things available anywhere near my price range, and there are more open phones available. it sounds like you are making excuses for these suited whores who push more of the same.

  • (Score: 2) by corey on Wednesday January 15 2020, @08:13PM (4 children)

    by corey (2202) on Wednesday January 15 2020, @08:13PM (#943756)

    Is needed for all the junk software and OS bloat that Samsung integrate with their phones.

    I have an Asus 5Z and it never uses near it's 6GB RAM. Just because of minimalist Android. I have over 100 tabs open on Firefox too.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:25AM (#943926)

      "We are Samsung"

      "All your RAM are belong go us" :D

      CYA

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:14AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:14AM (#943930) Journal

      The use case I've heard for this amount of RAM is Samsung DeX, where you get a full windowed desktop environment when the phone is docked / connected to a display.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:13AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:13AM (#944491)

        It's to allow the phone to run its own ad server and data collection agent to enhance the existing capabilities Samsung puts on its phone for sending data back to china.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:11AM (#944490)

      https://www.hackread.com/chinese-android-smartphones-sending-data-to-china/ [hackread.com]

      Of course, we're all worried over nothing, and the data packets being sent by an app with full access to your entire device from your Samsung phone back to a Chinese server contain nothing important.

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