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posted by janrinok on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:23PM   Printer-friendly
from the plain-dumps-no-longer-what-they-used-to-be dept.

BBC

At least 60 people, many of them children, were treated for skin irritation and breathing problems.

Fuel may be dumped in emergency landings, but only over designated areas and at a high altitude, aviation rules stipulate.

The Delta Airlines flight returned to the airport due to an engine issue.

Delta confirmed in a statement that the passenger plane had released fuel to reduce its landing weight.

The children and adults treated following the dumping incident were connected with at least six local schools. All the injuries are said to be minor.
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Allen Kenitzer, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration, told Reuters news agency: "The FAA is thoroughly investigating the circumstances behind this incident. There are special fuel-dumping procedures for aircraft operating into and out of any major US airport.

"These procedures call for fuel to be dumped over designated unpopulated areas, typically at higher altitudes so the fuel atomises and disperses before it reaches the ground."

Business Traveler has other details

A Delta Air Lines Boeing 777-200 bound for Shanghai Pudong that was making an emergency landing dumped fuel on six schools in Los Angeles, mildly injuring 60 adults and children, according to media reports.
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The students and staff members complained of minor skin irritation and breathing problems, but all declined transportation to hospitals, the newspaper added.
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The Los Angeles Times reports that the plane flew north over Malibu within four minutes after takeoff at 11:32am (local time). After encountering an engine problem, the journey back to the airport, in which the airline said it dumped fuel over urban southeastern Los Angeles County, took a looping route over the San Fernando Valley. The flight, which never flew higher than 8,000 feet, then moved over Griffith Park not long after, heading into southeastern LA County. Minutes later, the flight began making its return to LAX, looping back west.

Flight tracking website FlightRadar24 posted an image on Twitter of the plane's flight path:

Flight path of flight #DL89 that returned to Los Angeles International Airport 24 minutes after departurehttps://t.co/JPER0N19p6 pic.twitter.com/XwJalaZfZq
        — Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) January 14, 2020

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Several videos of the plane dumping fuel have emerged on social media, such as the one below: [linky]


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by TheGratefulNet on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:27PM (22 children)

    by TheGratefulNet (659) on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:27PM (#944010)

    they are hundreds of miles apart! they are not sub's of each other.

    wtf?

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by maxwell demon on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:49PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:49PM (#944024) Journal

      Both linked articles say Los Angeles, and none even mentions San Francisco. Business Traveller specifically mentions San Fernando Valley (besides some other places), maybe that's what c0lo misread as San Francisco.

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by ElizabethGreene on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:50PM (19 children)

      by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:50PM (#944027) Journal

      For those of us outside of California those are the only two cities in the state. It's easy to mix them up.

      It's similar for my home state, Tennessee. Only one city, Nashville, from end to end. Also, we hand out guitars, cowboy boots, and country music recording contracts as you get off the plane.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:19PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:19PM (#944057)

        Memphis. Elvis mumble mumble

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:04PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:04PM (#944101)

        So I am from New York, according to the rest of the country the entire state IS the City.

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:27PM (2 children)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:27PM (#944175)

          If Google is to be believed, 44% of the population of the state lives in the city, so it's a fairly safe assumption.

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          • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday January 17 2020, @08:42AM (1 child)

            by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday January 17 2020, @08:42AM (#944456) Journal

            Which means that the majority (56%) does not live in the city. I wouldn't call an assumption that is more likely to be false than to be true a fairly safe assumption.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:37PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:37PM (#945055)
              Most of those 56% are just fillers though ;).
      • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:10PM (1 child)

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:10PM (#944106) Journal

        I mean, if I make the assumption that that's where you live, I've got a 33% chance of being right.

        Better that than the literal pavement hellscape that is dollywood, coming down from the mountains.

        • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:08PM

          by Magic Oddball (3847) on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:08PM (#944233) Journal

          Better that than the literal pavement hellscape that is dollywood

          If our governor and Senator Wiener have their way, most of the state will look like that as soon as possible, and according to them only evil selfish NIMBYs are against it.

      • (Score: 2) by The Archon V2.0 on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:11PM (1 child)

        by The Archon V2.0 (3887) on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:11PM (#944109)

        > Also, we hand out guitars, cowboy boots, and country music recording contracts as you get off the plane.

        Ah, that explains "Blind Man's Penis".

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by FatPhil on Friday January 17 2020, @01:07AM

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Friday January 17 2020, @01:07AM (#944343) Homepage
          That's a children's party game isn't it?

          #YoureIt
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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:58PM (7 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:58PM (#944191)

        Oh, c'mon, there's Knoxville and Memphis too... Now, I guess I'm a ringer 'cause all four of my grandparents grew up outside Knoxville, and I actually lived with my parents (age 1-2) while dad was getting a MS at UT, but, c'mon - where do they think Memphis is if it's not in Tennessee?

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        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Magic Oddball on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:12PM (6 children)

          by Magic Oddball (3847) on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:12PM (#944238) Journal

          where do they think Memphis is if it's not in Tennessee?

          Egypt [wikipedia.org]?

          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 16 2020, @11:44PM (5 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 16 2020, @11:44PM (#944303)

            That's where you'll find Elvis - in the Pyramid!

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            • (Score: 3, Funny) by TheGratefulNet on Friday January 17 2020, @12:04AM

              by TheGratefulNet (659) on Friday January 17 2020, @12:04AM (#944315)

              $ ping elvis
              elvis is alive

              there. enough proof for ya?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @12:29AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @12:29AM (#944326)

              The Pyramids were built by aliens.

              Ask Elvis. He knows. He's got the hookup.

              You can catch him at the King's Domain Bars and Grill. Once in a while, he also makes a special appearance at B^4 aka "Big Bang Burger Bar."

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @03:12AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @03:12AM (#944376)

                The pyramids and many other monolithic structures around the world were build with limestone concrete. Ie, it was poured into casts.

                90% of ancient aliens stuff goes away when you accept that.

                • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday January 17 2020, @08:46AM

                  by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday January 17 2020, @08:46AM (#944458) Journal

                  So you're saying the aliens only built 10% of the stuff they are claimed to have built? :-)

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:14AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:14AM (#944492)

              Unless that Mummy's Mummy dragged his corpse back there after the events unfolded in the documentary 'Bubba-Ho-Tep'

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:49PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:49PM (#944255) Journal

        And it's all highland, right? . [wikipedia.org]

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:52PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:52PM (#944030) Journal

      It's the "new" trick. People will notice your story and click on the article if they suspect something is wrong.

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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by paul_engr on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:42PM (8 children)

    by paul_engr (8666) on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:42PM (#944017)

    San Francisco isn't in LA, but whomever posted this is on cocaine apparently...

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by maxwell demon on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:56PM (4 children)

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:56PM (#944033) Journal

      I don't know what you are on, but apparently affects your ability to write meaningful titles.

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      • (Score: 2, Touché) by paul_engr on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:02PM

        by paul_engr (8666) on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:02PM (#944100)

        My title is as quality as the post itself.

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by Osamabobama on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:17PM (2 children)

        by Osamabobama (5842) on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:17PM (#944116)

        I don't know what you are on...

        Well, we can rule out Dvorak.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:42PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:42PM (#944251)

          C erb-y gbe.poyabev Dr, ap. ,. pgncbi rgy EkrpatZ

          • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Friday January 17 2020, @06:19PM

            by Osamabobama (5842) on Friday January 17 2020, @06:19PM (#944635)

            Here's a useful website I just found. I don't know where else to share it: Probably not a rick-roll [xedoloh.com]

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:51PM (2 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:51PM (#944257) Journal

      Cocaine is a bit on the expensive side here in Melbourne, so no, I wasn't on cocaine.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @12:20AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @12:20AM (#944323)

        Thermocline?

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday January 17 2020, @01:59AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 17 2020, @01:59AM (#944349) Journal

          Eucalyptus smoke, actually. That, and sleep deficit.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:06PM (4 children)

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:06PM (#944040) Journal

    I saw stories on this while working out. ATC asked the pilot if they would need a fuel dump and the plane said no.

    And here's a link to the ATC audio where they asked the question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIA90evz8gs [youtube.com] (I haven't watched it fully yet but I kept with it long enough to see that the question is in the video).

    The pilot has to do what they need to do to get the plane safely on the ground, but if they needed a fuel dump they needed to tell ATC so that ATC could get them to a place where they could do that safely if possible. (And if the pilots needed to do it they still should have told ATC that it was occurring and that they would be unable to maneuver elsewhere). Fuel dumps (and/or flying off a certain quantity of fuel) aren't uncommon in return-to-airport situations and ATC knows where they can put planes to do that safely.

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    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:23PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:23PM (#944065)

      I saw stories on this while working out.

      Yeah, I was taking a dump when I read about it. Small world, huh?

      • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:22PM (2 children)

        by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:22PM (#944144) Journal

        Totally. What did you have for dinner?

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        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:55PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:55PM (#944186)

          I don't know what I ate but I know for sure it didn't smell like that

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:31PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:31PM (#944279)

          Rice-a-roni. The San Francisco Treat

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:27PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:27PM (#944070)

    This is San Francisco's personal Viet Nam.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:02PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:02PM (#944132)

      No, if they were flying over San Francisco, they would have emptied the shit tanks, and nobody would have noticed.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:40PM (2 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:40PM (#944181) Homepage

        San Francisco and L.A. are both dumps, and I'm surprised anybody noticed a difference.

        Having lived in L.A. and worked as a delivery driver, I know that area as Bell/South Gate, and it's a fucking muddy dump full of Mexicans where nobody knows a word of English. Those kids were all either illegals or anchor-babies 100% subsidized by American Tax Dollars. The place looks like a third-world ghetto full of shacks of cheesy bodegas of the roll-up garage door kind that sell pinatas and cheap and ugly pastel-colored clothing.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:21PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:21PM (#944212)

          Your ancestors probably started out similarly when they came to the US.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:05PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:05PM (#944232)

            Yet he still smells like shit today.

  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:52PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:52PM (#944095)

    Chemtrails

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by sfm on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:02PM (24 children)

    by sfm (675) on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:02PM (#944133)

    The fuel dumping happened at a minimum of 2500'. While not ideal, that is
    still half a mile up and traveling at ~200 MPH, giving the fuel some time to
    disperse. Jet-A is basically kerosene and does not evaporate quickly at room
    temperature so the injuries are likely to be skin and eye irritation and nobody
    was transported to the hospital (partially confirmed in other articles on the
    incident). Bringing in medical professionals was a CYA move (This is California,
    after all) but news organizations would much rather print titles like:

                                "60 people injured in airplane fuel dumping incident"

    As always, read the headlines with caution (or at least a little skepticism).

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:06PM (18 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:06PM (#944135) Journal

      Unless the situation was critical, you don't do this shit over a densely populated area

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:21PM (#944143)

        Meh -- California. Kids. Who cares.

      • (Score: 2) by mobydisk on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:00PM (15 children)

        by mobydisk (5472) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:00PM (#944157)

        This was an emergency situation.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by sjames on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:14PM (14 children)

          by sjames (2882) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:14PM (#944163) Journal

          Then they should have said yes when ATC asked them if they needed to dump fuel.

          • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:42PM

            by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:42PM (#944182) Homepage

            Well, if the plane was going to China, the pilots were probably foreigners who grew up with that "dump-anywhere" mentality shitting in the streets. And San Francisco and L.A. are full of those types, which explains a lot. We should be lucky we don't have those kinds of scum running our nuclear power plants, but thanks to diversity, who knows what will happen in the near future?

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:07PM (12 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:07PM (#944197)

            Then they should have said yes when ATC asked them if they needed to dump fuel.

            Yes, but... having made that one human error, what do you do next? Oil up the locals, or take on increased risk of a crash?

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            • (Score: 5, Interesting) by sjames on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:27PM (11 children)

              by sjames (2882) on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:27PM (#944218) Journal

              Tell ATC that on second thought, you do need to dump fuel.

              The issue was that the plane was losing one of it's two engines. They had time to dump over an unpopulated area.

              Given the flight plan and how soon after takeoff they had the problem, the need to dump fuel was a no-brainer. I'm not so sure it's even possible to take off with enough fuel to fly across the ocean and not be over landing weight.

              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday January 17 2020, @12:28AM (9 children)

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday January 17 2020, @12:28AM (#944325)

                I wasn't in the cockpit... if it was as minor of an emergency as you say, then of course your analysis is correct.

                If taking another turn out over the bay would have, in the pilot's opinion, increased the danger to the aircraft and passengers... that may actually be why he told ATC that he didn't need "dump fuel" routing, because he knew they would have given him a less direct return approach and he didn't need that, he just needed to get down ASAP before something truly bad happened, and the direct route allowed him to dump enough fuel to land safely.

                Having said all that, I think they should fine the fuck out of the airline for this action, not only personal injury to the people who got sprayed, but also a significant punitive environmental damage fee ($100K seems like a start) and certainly 3x whatever it cost to do any cleanup/mitigation that was practical to do. And, even if the pilot's actions end up costing the airline $1M in fines and/or court costs, it may still be that the pilot made the right call. And, if he didn't - well, he can be fired.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @02:18AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @02:18AM (#944355)

                  This sort of engine trouble happens from time to time. The way to get control of it is to throttle back and work with reduced thrust or cutoff the engine when bad enough. The pilot reported to ATC that they had it under control. Now, they cannot fly to their destination anymore and have to land relatively soon.

                  So instead of carrying on, they are given their preferred runway due to the extra weight and put in normal traffic. It is important to note that they could have landed with all the weight in the plane up to the MTOW, which is why the pilots rejecting the route isn't completely surprising. It would not have been pretty. It would not feel good. The aircraft would need an overweight landing inspection, probably a hard landing inspection, and probably have to have been overhauled in the gear, but they could have done it. The question is whether they though it was worth the risk, given the massive damage it could have done.

                  My two guesses are that they put the figures into the flight computer, it spit out the overweight condition, and they realized the amount of damage and $$$ that could cause, so they pulled the fuel dump. The second guess, which would also explain the lack of chatter, is that they lost the engine completely during the descent, forgot the 777-200 can land at MTOW on a runway the size of LAX on one engine (not all aircraft can), thought they could not climb out on a go-around, so they dumped fuel. Both of those could have been compounded by losing navigational awareness and thinking they were over the Pacific Ocean.

                • (Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday January 18 2020, @03:12AM (7 children)

                  by sjames (2882) on Saturday January 18 2020, @03:12AM (#944850) Journal

                  Interestingly, according to other pilots interviewed, landing heavy was a safe option but would have required extra inspections of the plane after.

                  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday January 18 2020, @03:45AM (6 children)

                    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday January 18 2020, @03:45AM (#944863)

                    Makes me think of a Southwest flight I took, landed in Houston Hobby and was splashing the tarmac with jet fuel every time the wing flexed, cracks in the leading edge - right above the engine intake.

                    As for the pilot-in-command's calls - I'd go with life-safety first, worry about the rest later. If the airline was skimping maintenance and it led to this situation (don't tell me about mandatory schedules, they have latitude in how rigorously they maintain over and above the legal requirements), then the airline should be the one to suck up whatever it cost to land the plane without killing people.

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                    • (Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday January 18 2020, @09:16AM (5 children)

                      by sjames (2882) on Saturday January 18 2020, @09:16AM (#944928) Journal

                      I would have preferred, either declare the need to dump fuel and do it properly, or if the pilot didn't believe there was time for that, land heavy and the accountants can just get over it. If the pilot improperly dumped fuel out of fear for employer reprisal over the costs, I sincerely hope the courts slap them around until they rethink their (possibly unwritten) policies.

                      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday January 18 2020, @04:53PM

                        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday January 18 2020, @04:53PM (#945003)

                        If the pilot improperly dumped fuel out of fear for employer reprisal over the costs, I sincerely hope the courts slap them around until they rethink their (possibly unwritten) policies.

                        Agreed, although I think any policies whether written or unwritten are irrelevant, what matters is that a commercial operation has - for very good reasons at the time - done significant damage to the environment, including the people that had to breathe that stuff - and that should be paid back by the commercial operation at a generous multiple of actual damages, both to compensate for the damages done, incidental costs of collection, and to make it unprofitable for commercial operations to have these accidents in the first place.

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                      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 19 2020, @11:35PM (3 children)

                        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 19 2020, @11:35PM (#945543)

                        Here we go: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51162248 [bbc.com] I'm very conflicted, often disappointed, that it's up to individuals to attempt to claw punitive settlements out of corporations for this kind of abuse. I'd much rather see the city or state suing them for environmental damage and possibly cleanup costs (if there's anything that can be done to clean up...)

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                        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday January 21 2020, @09:40AM (2 children)

                          by sjames (2882) on Tuesday January 21 2020, @09:40AM (#946271) Journal

                          It strikes me as very inefficient. The teachers sue, the parents file a different suit, the schools themselves yet another, etc. All for a single incident.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @03:31AM (1 child)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 23 2020, @03:31AM (#947208)

                            Something something, class action lawsuit, something something, contingent lawyer fees.

                            • (Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday January 25 2020, @08:01PM

                              by sjames (2882) on Saturday January 25 2020, @08:01PM (#948582) Journal
                              Something something lawyers make millions, plaintiffs get coupons.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @02:21AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @02:21AM (#944356)

                The 777-200 does not have to dump fuel. It can land all the way up to MTOW. LAX is long enough that they could even do it with one engine.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:03PM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:03PM (#944195)

        Cargo (think: bottom of the maintenance and engine updating schedules) jets climbing out of MIA regularly dumped unburned kerosene along their flightpath, just because the damn things leaked, or didn't fully burn the fuel. They'd fly over the residential neighborhoods along Biscayne Bay, and I'd get brown spots on my leaves from the falling droplets.

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    • (Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:11PM (3 children)

      by sjames (2882) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:11PM (#944162) Journal

      On the other hand, atomized fuel at ground level could be a serious fire hazard!

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:25PM (2 children)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:25PM (#944172)

        "Atomized" used in this way is one of my pet peeves. If it were really reduced to its constituent atoms, it's no longer going to be fuel, but various carbon, nitrogen, sulfur, etc.

        How about "finely dispersed" instead

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        "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
        • (Score: 2, Touché) by sjames on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:51PM

          by sjames (2882) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:51PM (#944185) Journal

          I was using a technical term as it is defined. Take it up with Oxford if it doesn't work for you.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:15PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:15PM (#944271)

          Let me dictionary that for you:

          atomize |ˈatəmʌɪz| (also atomise)
          verb [ with obj. ]
          convert (a substance) into very fine particles or droplets. (as adj. atomized) : finely atomized fuel.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:01PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:01PM (#944193)

      The 777-200 can carry over 180,000 liters of fuel - even dumped from 2500' at 200mph, that's a lot of oily residue to breathe in.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Freeman on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:31PM (17 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:31PM (#944147) Journal

    This incident likely to cause cancer in the State of California.

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    • (Score: 0, Troll) by bradley13 on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:31PM (16 children)

      by bradley13 (3053) on Thursday January 16 2020, @07:31PM (#944178) Homepage Journal

      "This incident likely to cause cancer in the State of California."

      Everything causes cancer in California. California is cancer, or at least the politics are. Currently metastasizing to Colorado and Texas, other areas may also be in danger.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:15PM (15 children)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:15PM (#944240)

        You're aware that Californians are not your enemy aren't you?

        Neither are any Americans who might vote Democrat, despite what Fox News tells you.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:06PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:06PM (#944269)

          I used to believe that democrats were just foolish, uneducated, and immature. Childish ideas (no violence if we take away weapons, no poverty if we do welfare, etc.) come from that.

          After the 2012 election, I started to realize that democrats hate America. They hate the values and the people.

          After the 2016 election, it couldn't be denied. Democrats are traitors who eagerly seek to destroy us from within. The only excuse to not love Trump was doubt about campaign promises, but that wasn't the reason democrats gave for their hate.

          Bernie's top-level campaign staff in Ohio was just caught on video threatening violence and desiring to put conservatives in prison camps. This shit is real.

          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:24PM

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:24PM (#944274)

            Oh. I am sorry to hear you feel that way.

            Things are going to get ugly for everyone when you guys start shooting each other again.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @03:36AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @03:36AM (#944389)

            No, that supposed Bernie dude only said they would burn their own homes (the cities) for some reason.

          • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Friday January 17 2020, @03:20PM

            by Subsentient (1111) on Friday January 17 2020, @03:20PM (#944548) Homepage Journal

            You've got it all wrong. We're just collaborating with space aliens, we have a shared interest in molesting good Christian conservatives. The aliens give us their anal probing equipment and in return we give them recordings of our defilings so they can whack their gack to it.

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday January 17 2020, @12:30AM (9 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday January 17 2020, @12:30AM (#944327)

          Neither are any Americans who might vote Democrat, despite what Fox News tells you.

          Them's fightin' words, you un-American troll. /s

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          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Friday January 17 2020, @12:42AM (8 children)

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday January 17 2020, @12:42AM (#944332)

            That is what worries me. An American Civil II - Electric Boogaloo will be bad for the whole planet, and based on the comment above, it is going to happen at some point.

            I wonder what Republicans will invent to demonise Bernie if he becomes your next president?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @01:19AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @01:19AM (#944346)

              We're going to skip Civil War II and go directly to Civil War III concurrent with World War III.

            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday January 17 2020, @02:49AM (2 children)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday January 17 2020, @02:49AM (#944368)

              The problem is: what would that even look like? It was bad enough the first go around when there were just a few Southern sympathizers in the North, and a few more Northern sympathizers in the South and all the border states where brother went off to fight against brother, literally.

              Today it would be cities vs. rural, but with even more mix in the mix, I don't think you could define a literal front line anywhere. I suppose it could come to a shooting war if the direction from the top was to start shooting and only half of the command structure followed those orders.

              Honestly, I think we were much closer to Civil War in 1970 with thing like Kent State going down than we are today.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @03:38AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @03:38AM (#944391)

                It is FAKE NEWS! Start recognizing it. There is no reason for any civil war, only for arresting the global child traffickers who have infested the government. If you want to go to war to defend them... well that is your decision.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:24AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:24AM (#944499)

                We need to start shooting and get the hate out of everybody's systems.

                The simmering antagonism between the left and the right is only going to be solved one of two ways at this point: Secession and a division of the country into a 'left' and a 'right', an agreement to segregate politics on a county by county basis with interstates considered neutral territory and bordered to keep each sides undesireables out of drive-through country, or a proper and blood civil war that will most likely end when a third party annexes us, whether China, Russia, or a combination of Canada and Mexico (although both would be better scouring the land clean and recolonizing.)

                As to the Native Americans, the ones on the rez might make it if the supremacists don't come for them en-masse to take their land and rape their women (not that they haven't been, but this would make a perfect time to drop all pretense while eyes were focused elsewhere.)

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 17 2020, @08:44AM (3 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 17 2020, @08:44AM (#944457) Journal

              and based on the comment above, it is going to happen at some point.

              Maybe we should base our judgments on something more substantial than the attitude of a post? But having said that, if a Civil War 2.0 does start, my take is crazy California will be involved. It's a big state, but they're circling the drain just the same. There's so many different ways they're destroying their own future - underfunded public pensions, idiotic regulation, complete inability to follow a budget, huge prison industry, emptying aquifers, etc. Something will get them.

              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Friday January 17 2020, @09:01AM (2 children)

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday January 17 2020, @09:01AM (#944461)

                You should go and have a look at California some day. Parts of it are really nice, and lots of the people are fantastic.

                Some of the friendliest people I have met live there.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 17 2020, @08:00PM (1 child)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 17 2020, @08:00PM (#944694) Journal
                  I've lived there off and on for seven years so I'm quite aware of who lives in California. Friendly people can only do so much. You might not have noticed, but none of the problems I listed are due to an unfriendly populace.
                  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Saturday January 18 2020, @04:20AM

                    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Saturday January 18 2020, @04:20AM (#944871)

                    Great. You're aware then that the people of California are not your enemy then.

        • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Friday January 17 2020, @05:25PM

          by istartedi (123) on Friday January 17 2020, @05:25PM (#944608) Journal

          He might really regard them as the enemy. It wouldn't be the first time [wikipedia.org], and they are technically in rebellion over a labor issue that is largely associated with agriculture just like the last time, and a drug issue which is unprecedented. Some think this PoV is hyperbole, but we may look back on the immigration and pot issues as part of the defining characteristics of a republic that was falling apart--assuming it keeps going that way.

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