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posted by martyb on Tuesday January 28 2020, @10:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the TANSTAAFL dept.

Have a Search Warrant for Data? Google Wants You to Pay:

The tech giant has begun charging U.S. law enforcement for responses to search warrants and subpoenas.

[...] Facing an increasing number of requests for its users’ information, Google began charging law enforcement and other government agencies this month for legal demands seeking data such as emails, location tracking information and search queries.

Google’s fees range from $45 for a subpoena and $60 for a wiretap to $245 for a search warrant, according to a notice sent to law enforcement officials and reviewed by The New York Times. The notice also included fees for other legal requests.

A spokesman for Google said the fees were intended in part to help offset the costs of complying with warrants and subpoenas.

Federal law allows companies to charge the government reimbursement fees of this type, but Google’s decision is a major change in how it deals with legal requests.

Some Silicon Valley companies have for years forgone such charges, which can be difficult to enforce at a large scale and could give the impression that a company aims to profit from legal searches. But privacy experts support such fees as a deterrent to overbroad surveillance.

Google has tremendous amounts of information on billions of users, and law enforcement agencies in the United States and around the world routinely submit legal requests seeking that data. In the first half of 2019, the company received more than 75,000 requests for data on nearly 165,000 accounts worldwide; one in three of those requests came from the United States.

[...] The new fees could help recover some of the costs required to fill such a large volume of legal requests, said Al Gidari, a lawyer who for years represented Google and other technology and telecommunications companies. The requests have also grown more complicated as tech companies have acquired more data and law enforcement has become more technologically sophisticated.

“None of the services were designed with exfiltrating data for law enforcement in mind,” said Mr. Gidari, who is now the consulting privacy director at Stanford’s Center for Internet and Society.

[...] In April, The Times reported that Google had been inundated with a new type of search warrant request, known as geofence searches. Drawing on an enormous Google database called Sensorvault, they provide law enforcement with the opportunity to find suspects and witnesses using location data gleaned from user devices. Those warrants often result in information on dozens or hundreds of devices, and require more extensive legal review than other requests.

[...] Google will not ask for reimbursement in some cases, including child safety investigations and life-threatening emergencies, the spokesman said.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Booga1 on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:18AM (8 children)

    by Booga1 (6333) on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:18AM (#950012)

    There's an easy solution. Stop keeping all that data and there won't be any expenses incurred to provide it.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:00PM (6 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:00PM (#950053) Journal
      So if the cops show up with a warrant does that mean I can tell them to go fucké themselves if they don't pay for access? Even Trump's defence teams haven't tried that one yet.

      My understanding is that you have to obey the warrant and go to court to collect any undue costs, but that ordinary costs are not going to be reimbursed, part of your obligations is to eat ordinary costs as part of being a good citizen, whether corporate or human. New jurisprudence to refuse warrants anyone?

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:08PM

        by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:08PM (#950079) Journal

        Another argument against payment, cynical, rooted in the 3d Party Doctrine, would be that since these businesses and their data collection processes constitute an end run around the 4A, if they are paid to process mere subpoenas (different from warrants) they are being treated more like the government contracted surveillance companies they are. I expect the government to fight payment.

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:25PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:25PM (#950088)

        Federal law allows companies to charge the government reimbursement fees of this type

        but that ordinary costs are not going to be reimbursed

        So you think the government was just bluffing with that law?

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:35PM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:35PM (#950094) Journal

        My understanding is that you have to obey the warrant and go to court to collect any undue costs, but that ordinary costs are not going to be reimbursed, part of your obligations is to eat ordinary costs as part of being a good citizen

        When the sheer numbers of these requests become overwhelming, there is clearly some point, some blurry line, where this changes from "ordinary costs" to extraordinary and burdensome. It is obvious when you need to have an entire staff dedicated to handling these requests.

        Even Trump's defence teams haven't tried that one yet.

        That's because they are grasping at straws. (and, no, I don't mean masturbation)

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        • (Score: 1, Troll) by barbara hudson on Tuesday January 28 2020, @04:12PM

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday January 28 2020, @04:12PM (#950111) Journal
          What would be an onerous cost to you or me, or many businesses, is just a rounding error for Google. They can afford the costs as part of being a good citizen ... oops, that contradicts their motto "Always do evil, even when there's no immediate practice, to keep the suckers in their place".
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @10:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @10:57PM (#950302)

        yes. when they place an "order" you give them the invoice. my gov contract rate is one billion $ an hr.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday January 29 2020, @04:21AM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @04:21AM (#950473) Journal

        So if the cops show up with a warrant does that mean I can tell them to go fucké themselves if they don't pay for access?

        Why was this modded down? Whatever applies to Google has to apply to the rest of us, no? Why do we allow this?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:08PM (#950058)

      Google provides storage systems for users...

      If they stop storing that data, they will have several angry users.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:23AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:23AM (#950014)

    Please, daddy government, request more subpoenas, its good for business!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:38AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:38AM (#950019)

      I will make it legal.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:37PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:37PM (#950095) Journal

      Please, daddy government, request more subpoenas, its good for business!

      The sheer stupidity. You left out asking for more regulations and a double helping of more taxes.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:59AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @11:59AM (#950024)

    No need for charges, they got nothing to sell to the pigs.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Tuesday January 28 2020, @01:54PM

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday January 28 2020, @01:54PM (#950050) Journal

      Anyone use gmail to contact you? Google has it. Watch YouTube or use Google Maps. Google knows what you're interested in and where you want to go. Use an Android phone? You're screwed. Visit a web site that used Google Analytics? They fingerprint your browser and combine that with your location to distinguish you from the others in your area with the same browser fingerprint. Use Ghrome? #YouGottaBeKiddingMe.

      They track you. Every way they can. Even if you never use any of their services, they sell your profile to advertisers. Same as even if you don't use Facebook, they have a shadow profile on you, and it probably includes your name, same as Google.

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    • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Wednesday January 29 2020, @04:00AM

      by darkfeline (1030) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @04:00AM (#950449) Homepage

      One should pray that that is so, given that DuckDuckGo's founder's previous project was dedicated solely to collecting user data which was then sold to a ready bidder, along with all the data.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by stretch611 on Tuesday January 28 2020, @01:26PM

    by stretch611 (6199) on Tuesday January 28 2020, @01:26PM (#950040)

    But privacy experts support such fees as a deterrent to overbroad surveillance.

    Dear Google... Please increase your fees.

    Also,

    Google will not ask for reimbursement in some cases, including child safety investigations and life-threatening emergencies

    With the assumption that they use common sense in determining this basis, not just what law enforcement tells them; this is another positive.

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  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday January 28 2020, @01:47PM

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday January 28 2020, @01:47PM (#950047) Journal

    Gosh it is so difficult for the government to get what cambridge analytica and foreign governments already have?

    Why not just hire black cube and piggyback off their full access?

    Or is that just what palantir does for all parties involved?

    https://archive.is/HTALt [archive.is]
    https://archive.is/EoIML [archive.is]
    https://archive.is/xPOYX [archive.is]
    https://archive.is/f4TVo [archive.is]

    For all intents and purposes, rubes, google is a branch of your government.

    Why are so many people so far behind? Oh, same people own everything else they watch thinking they are being informed.

    thesesystemsarefailing.net
    decultification.org

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:56PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 28 2020, @02:56PM (#950070)

    His real name is Brent Spiner.

    • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:02PM

      by looorg (578) on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:02PM (#950074)

      Google is his pimp now? He has fallen a long way since his days on the Enterprise.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:39PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 28 2020, @03:39PM (#950097) Journal

      Data does not want to be free.

      It's his brother that wants to be free.

      Google wants to charge for data.

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