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posted by janrinok on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:32AM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the sick-and-tired-of-being-sick-and-tired dept.

Editor's Comment: The figures and statistics regarding the novel coronavirus outbreak are changing daily and there are differences between reports from different sources. The latest figures, which we believe to be from a reputable source and which are being regularly updated, can be found at the worldometers. If you have a favourite site for updated information please leave a link in the comments.

Chinese Whistleblower Doctor Dies Due to Coronavirus

Li Wenliang: Coronavirus kills Chinese whistleblower doctor

A Chinese doctor who tried to issue the first warning about the deadly coronavirus outbreak has died, the hospital treating him has said. Li Wenliang contracted the virus while working at Wuhan Central Hospital. He had sent out a warning to fellow medics on 30 December but police told him to stop "making false comments".

There had been contradictory reports about his death, but the People's Daily now says he died at 02:58 on Friday (18:58 GMT Thursday).

The virus has killed 636 people and infected 31,161 in mainland China, the National Health Commission's latest figures show. The death toll includes 73 new deaths reported on Thursday.

An AC writes:

Wuhan hospital announces death of whistleblower doctor after confusion in state media

This story has been updated to reflect the latest statement from Wuhan Central Hospital, after confusion in state media reports.

Li died of the novel coronavirus in Wuhan in the early hours of Friday morning (local time).

"Our hospital's ophthalmologist Li Wenliang was unfortunately infected with coronavirus during his work in the fight against the coronavirus epidemic," the latest hospital statement read.

"He died at 2:58 am on Feb 7 after attempts to resuscitate were unsuccessful."

Earlier on Thursday night, several state media outlets had reported Li's death, following which Chinese social media erupted in profound grief and anger.

Wuhan Seafood Market May Not be Source of Novel Virus Spreading Globally

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally

As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.

The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. "No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases," they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. "That's a big number, 13, with no link," says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

[...] Bin Cao of Capital Medical University, the corresponding author of The Lancet article and a pulmonary specialist, wrote in an email to ScienceInsider that he and his co-authors "appreciate the criticism" from Lucey.

"Now It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus," he wrote. "But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now."

Lucey notes that the discovery of the coronavirus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome, a sometimes fatal disease that occurs sporadically, came from a patient in Saudi Arabia in June 2012, although later studies traced it back to an earlier hospital outbreak of unexplained pneumonia in Jordan in April 2012. Stored samples from two people who died in Jordan confirmed they had been infected with the virus. Retrospective analyses of blood samples in China from people and animals—including vendors from other animal markets—may reveal a clear picture of where the 2019-nCoV originated, he suggests. "There might be a clear signal among the noise," he says.

Canada: You are More Likely to Commit Suicide than Die from Coronavirus

5 things more likely to kill you in Canada than coronavirus:

Cases of the new coronavirus strain have topped 20,000 around the world, spurring health and travel concerns, a flurry of xenophobic and insensitive social media posts, and high demand for face masks.

For all that it's an international public health emergency that's killed more than 400 people (mostly in mainland China), the risk for people in Canada remains low. As of Feb. 4, nobody here has died. Globally the fatality rate is close to three per cent, which is less than SARS, which hit in 2003 and had a global fatality rate of 9.6 per cent (12.4 per cent in Canada).

[...] "What should you worry about?" says Jeffrey S. Rosenthal, a University of Toronto statistics professor and author of Struck by Lightning: The Curious World of Probabilities, which came out following the SARS epidemic.

In order of decreasing likelihood, the top 5 are:

  1. Cancer
  2. Cardiovascular Disease
  3. Accidents, including a car crash
  4. The flu
  5. Suicide

[...] Every year thousands of people in Canada die by suicide — a figure experts say is conservative at best. In 2018, 3,811 people died by suicide. And yet, it is preventable, experts say, if we keep fighting stigma, connecting the data, and working to ensure everyone has access to the treatment they need.

Coronavirus News is Being Manipulated By Pro- and Anti-China Actors.

Readers should be highly skeptical of all news content relating to the current coronavirus pandemic. It is obvious that powerful state actors are involved in setting conflicting narratives on this subject and no news outlet or social media should be trusted implicitly.

For example, news outlets have been reporting that the official numbers of suspected, infected, dead, and recovered patients have been manipulated. See

Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As many experts question the veracity of China's statistics for the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, Tencent over the weekend appeared to inadvertently release what is potentially the actual number of infections and deaths — which are far higher than official figures, but eerily in line with predictions from a respected scientific journal.

As early as Jan. 26, netizens were reporting that Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker," briefly showed data on the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in China that was much higher than official estimates, before suddenly switching to lower numbers. Hiroki Lo, a 38-year-old Taiwanese beverage store owner, that day reported that Tencent and NetEase were both posting "unmodified statistics," before switching to official numbers in short order.

[...] On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), the Tencent webpage showed confirmed cases of the Wuhan virus in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure.

The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day.

Moments later, Tencent updated the numbers to reflect the government's "official" numbers that day. Netizens noticed that Tencent has on at least three occasions posted extremely high numbers, only to quickly lower them to government-approved statistics.

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Netizens also noticed that each time the screen with the large numbers appears, a comparison with the previous day's data appears above, which demonstrates a "reasonable" incremental increase, much like the official numbers. This has led some netizens to speculate that Tencent has two sets of data, the real data and "processed" data.

Some are speculating that a coding problem could be causing the real "internal" data to accidentally appear. Others believe that someone behind the scenes is trying to leak the real numbers.

However, the "internal" data held by Beijing may not reflect the true extent of the epidemic. According to multiple sources in Wuhan, many coronavirus patients are unable to receive treatment and die outside of hospitals.

A severe shortage of test kits also leads to a lower number of diagnosed cases of infection and death. In addition, there have been many reports of doctors being ordered to list other forms of death instead of coronavirus to keep the death toll artificially low.

Tencent condemns social media sources for doctoring images of their "Epidemic Situation Tracker" and inflating data of coronavirus deaths and infections

It appears that Tencent Holdings Ltd. denies claims it had posted much much larger Novel CoronaVirus (2019-nCoV) numbers than those issued in official Chinese reports. According to DimSum Daily (Hong Kong):

6th February 2020 – (Hong Kong) We reported this afternoon that Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on coronavirus deaths i.e. 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths, according to Taiwan News.

In response, spokesperson for Tencent in Hong Kong wrote a reply to Dimsumdaily this evening and explained that the Tencent News "Epidemic Situation Tracker" reports real-time data from China' s National Health Commission and various Municipal Health Commissions across China.

[...] Unfortunately, several social media sources have circulated doctored images of their "Epidemic Situation Tracker" featuring false information which Tencent never published.

Similar claims were posted by The Hindu Business Online, except that they claimed (without providing any links):

Reacting to the news report, Tencent Global, in a series of tweets, said: "Unfortunately, several social media sources have circulated doctored images of our 'Epidemic Situation Tracker' featuring false information which we never published.

"Tencent uses technology for good and is disappointed with this type of unscrupulous behavior. Tencent does not condone the dissemination of inaccurate information and fake news, especially during this sensitive period."

Study Claiming New Coronavirus Can be Transmitted by People Without Symptoms Was Flawed

stormwyrm [soylentnews.org] writes:

The 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has so far infected nearly 25,000 people and killed close to 500 as of February 5 [PDF], and has been declared a global health emergency by the World Health Organization. Scientific investigation of the new disease and its properties continues, and there has been an alleged case of transmission of the virus from someone not exhibiting symptoms, from a paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine last January 30. If true this would make controlling the spread of the disease more difficult. However, subsequent investigation has shown serious flaws in the report. From Science Magazine:

A paper published on 30 January in The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) about the first four people in Germany infected with a novel coronavirus made many headlines because it seemed to confirm what public health experts feared: that someone who has no symptoms from infection with the virus, named 2019-nCoV, can still transmit it to others. That might make controlling the virus much harder.

Chinese researchers had previously suggested asymptomatic people might transmit the virus but had not presented clear-cut evidence. "There's no doubt after reading [the NEJM] paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring," Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told journalists. "This study lays the question to rest."

But now, it turns out that information was wrong. The Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the German government's public health agency, has written a letter to NEJM to set the record straight, even though it was not involved in the paper.

The letter in NEJM described a cluster of infections that began after a businesswoman from Shanghai visited a company near Munich on 20 and 21 January, where she had a meeting with the first of four people who later fell ill. Crucially, she wasn't sick at the time: "During her stay, she had been well with no sign or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China," the authors wrote. "The fact that asymptomatic persons are potential sources of 2019-nCoV infection may warrant a reassessment of transmission dynamics of the current outbreak."

But the researchers didn't actually speak to the woman before they published the paper. The last author, Michael Hoelscher of the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich Medical Center, says the paper relied on information from the four other patients: "They told us that the patient from China did not appear to have any symptoms." Afterward, however, RKI and the Health and Food Safety Authority of the state of Bavaria did talk to the Shanghai patient on the phone, and it turned out she did have symptoms while in Germany. According to people familiar with the call, she felt tired, suffered from muscle pain, and took paracetamol, a fever-lowering medication. (An RKI spokesperson would only confirm to Science that the woman had symptoms.)

Other reports from The Scientist and Ars Technica. This doesn't mean that asymptomatic transmission of 2019-nCoV is not happening, but even if it does, so far it appears that it is likely not a major driver of transmission [pdf].

China Takes Desperate, "Wartime" Measures to Stop Coronavirus in Wuhan

China takes desperate, "wartime" measures to stop coronavirus in Wuhan:

Chinese authorities in Wuhan Thursday said that they will conduct door-to-door home searches for people potentially infected with the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and corral the sick into massive, makeshift quarantine camps around the city, according to a report in the New York Times.

These latest extreme outbreak control measures are on top of already draconian travel restrictions and shutdowns of public transit, which have effectively isolated Wuhan—a city of 11 million where the explosive outbreak began—as well as other highly populated cities in the Hubei province. Overall, the lockdown has made it difficult to get food and supplies to Hubei's 50 million residents, contributing to a humanitarian crisis that is now swelling from Wuhan in the wake of the virus.

[...] Reports from Wuhan suggest that medical staff are running short of personal protective equipment, medicines, and supplies to test patients for the 2019-nCoV. According to the Times, many Wuhan residents who have respiratory symptoms have been forced to go from hospital to hospital, on foot, to try to get tested. Many are turned away, untested and untreated.

Moreover, experts fear that penning potentially infected people in large quarantine camps—set up in a sports stadium, an exhibition center, and a building complex—with minimal medical care could make the sick sicker and let the whole gamut of infectious diseases run rampant among the confined people.

Still, Chinese authorities seemed resolute to take whatever extreme actions they see as useful to get a grip on the outbreak. Vice Premier Sun Chunlan, who visited Wuhan Thursday and announced the new control measures, said that the city and country face "wartime conditions."

To get an equivalent number of people under quarantine, one would need to lock down every single person in the 50-largest cities in the United States:

+----+----------------------------------+-----------+------------+
|RANK| CITY, STATE                      |  CITY POP |  TOTAL POP |
+----+----------------------------------+-----------+------------+
| 01 | New York, New York               | 8,398,748 |  8,398,748 |
| 02 | Los Angeles, California          | 3,990,456 | 12,389,204 |
| 03 | Chicago, Illinois                | 2,705,994 | 15,095,198 |
| 04 | Houston, Texas                   | 2,325,502 | 17,420,700 |
| 05 | Phoenix, Arizona                 | 1,660,272 | 19,080,972 |
| 06 | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania       | 1,584,138 | 20,665,110 |
| 07 | San Antonio, Texas               | 1,532,233 | 22,197,343 |
| 08 | San Diego, California            | 1,425,976 | 23,623,319 |
| 09 | Dallas, Texas                    | 1,345,047 | 24,968,366 |
| 10 | San Jose, California             | 1,030,119 | 25,998,485 |
| 11 | Austin, Texas                    |   964,254 | 26,962,739 |
| 12 | Jacksonville, Florida            |   903,889 | 27,866,628 |
| 13 | Fort Worth, Texas                |   895,008 | 28,761,636 |
| 14 | Columbus, Ohio                   |   892,533 | 29,654,169 |
| 15 | San Francisco, California        |   883,305 | 30,537,474 |
| 16 | Charlotte, North Carolina        |   872,498 | 31,409,972 |
| 17 | Indianapolis, Indiana            |   867,125 | 32,277,097 |
| 18 | Seattle, Washington              |   744,955 | 33,022,052 |
| 19 | Denver, Colorado                 |   716,492 | 33,738,544 |
| 20 | Washington, District of Columbia |   702,455 | 34,440,999 |
| 21 | Boston, Massachusetts            |   694,583 | 35,135,582 |
| 22 | El Paso, Texas                   |   682,669 | 35,818,251 |
| 23 | Detroit, Michigan                |   672,662 | 36,490,913 |
| 24 | Nashville, Tennessee             |   669,053 | 37,159,966 |
| 25 | Portland, Oregon                 |   653,115 | 37,813,081 |
| 26 | Memphis, Tennessee               |   650,618 | 38,463,699 |
| 27 | Oklahoma City, Oklahoma          |   649,021 | 39,112,720 |
| 28 | Las Vegas, Nevada                |   644,644 | 39,757,364 |
| 29 | Louisville, Kentucky             |   620,118 | 40,377,482 |
| 30 | Baltimore, Maryland              |   602,495 | 40,979,977 |
| 31 | Milwaukee, Wisconsin             |   592,025 | 41,572,002 |
| 32 | Albuquerque, New Mexico          |   560,218 | 42,132,220 |
| 33 | Tucson, Arizona                  |   545,975 | 42,678,195 |
| 34 | Fresno, California               |   530,093 | 43,208,288 |
| 35 | Mesa, Arizona                    |   508,958 | 43,717,246 |
| 36 | Sacramento, California           |   508,529 | 44,225,775 |
| 37 | Atlanta, Georgia                 |   498,044 | 44,723,819 |
| 38 | Kansas City, Missouri            |   491,918 | 45,215,737 |
| 39 | Colorado Springs, Colorado       |   472,688 | 45,688,425 |
| 40 | Miami, Florida                   |   470,914 | 46,159,339 |
| 41 | Raleigh, North Carolina          |   469,298 | 46,628,637 |
| 42 | Omaha, Nebraska                  |   468,262 | 47,096,899 |
| 43 | Long Beach, California           |   467,354 | 47,564,253 |
| 44 | Virginia Beach, Virginia         |   450,189 | 48,014,442 |
| 45 | Oakland, California              |   429,082 | 48,443,524 |
| 46 | Minneapolis, Minnesota           |   425,403 | 48,868,927 |
| 47 | Tulsa, Oklahoma                  |   400,669 | 49,269,596 |
| 48 | Arlington, Texas                 |   398,112 | 49,667,708 |
| 49 | Tampa, Florida                   |   392,890 | 50,060,598 |
| 50 | New Orleans, Louisiana           |   391,006 | 50,451,604 |
+----+----------------------------------+-----------+------------+

Data taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population.


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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:41AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:41AM (#955545)

    Novell does corona virii? I thought they just killed WordPerfect, because of a payoff my Micro$erf. Amazing what corporations are capable of these days!

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:44AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:44AM (#955546)

    Not one of these merged submissions was submitted by Runaway, so I am not believing any of them. Diseases from having sex with animals! Ha! Any true Arkansasian knows that't not true. Or, hopes it's not true.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:48AM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:48AM (#955548)
    • (Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday February 08 2020, @07:43AM (3 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @07:43AM (#955558) Journal

      Read the story - we cover that in the roundup.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by pkrasimirov on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:49AM (2 children)

        by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:49AM (#955570)

        Janrinok, that's a lot of work you did here and I thank you for that. I mean this is the longest post I've ever seen on SN.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:57AM (1 child)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:57AM (#955572) Journal

          Thanks for your comment, but actually it was a team effort. I just started the ball rolling on this particular roundup so my name shows at the top of the story.

          And it is not the longest story that we have printed - martyb's investigation report into the missing journal entry was longer still and the report took over a week to write. The investigation itself took much longer, of course.

          • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:01AM

            by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:01AM (#955591)

            Okay, the above are news or an aggregation of them. Thanks to all involved!

            The "missing" journal entry was a quest saga.

    • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Saturday February 08 2020, @10:27AM (7 children)

      by deimtee (3272) on Saturday February 08 2020, @10:27AM (#955586) Journal

      The interesting thing from that story is the constant percentage death rates they quote, from the official data.
      Exactly 3.1% for several days, then it abruptly lowers to exactly 2.1% and stays there. I would consider those numbers to be suspicious.

      --
      No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @10:44AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @10:44AM (#955589)
        Why would it be suspicious? At the beginning of an outbreak, the cases recorded tend to skew to the severe, and hence the death rates look slightly higher since patients with severe infection tend to die. As the outbreak progresses milder cases of the disease are identified and those patients tend to survive, so the death rate goes down.
        • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:23AM (2 children)

          by deimtee (3272) on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:23AM (#955594) Journal

          If you roll a million D20's you are going to average very very close to 10.5

          If you roll 100 D20's each day you are very rarely going to get a total of 1050.

          5 days in a row, with very different infected / death numbers, but every time the death rate is exactly 3.1% That looks like someone set it, not accurate reporting.

          --
          No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday February 10 2020, @04:11PM (1 child)

            by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 10 2020, @04:11PM (#956373) Homepage Journal

            Maybe they don't update the number every day.

            • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Tuesday February 11 2020, @01:49AM

              by deimtee (3272) on Tuesday February 11 2020, @01:49AM (#956658) Journal

              I decided to check it a bit more. TaiwanNews may be cherry picking the date ranges, but the numbers are updating. From the Taiwan news article, the Tencent rates. (I went to more significant figures than are justified). Not quite as suspicious as they implied, but still oddly consistent :

              Date     Deaths   Cases   %
              20-01-22    17     542   %3.136
              20-01-23    26     830   %3.132
              20-01-24    41    1287   %3.186
              --
              20-01-30   170    7821   %2.174
              20-01-31   213    9800   %2.173
              20-02-01   259   11880   %2.180
              20-02-02   304   14401   %2.111
              20-02-03   361   17238   %2.094

              --
              No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:21PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:21PM (#955612)

          Because in noisy systems there's noise. For two signals to have values with a ratio within 1/40th of each other at so many sampling times is statistically improbable. And for the mortality rate to go from 3.1% to 2.1% and stay there is a lie. Why? because that means you've injected +50% new 'survivor' cases, and then - well I'll leave further analysis to you, but clearly these are fudged numbers. Anyone claiming otherwise doesn't understand statistics.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:11PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:11PM (#955629) Journal

            because that means you've injected +50% new 'survivor' cases

            No, it'd be more like +1% survivor cases. Think about it.

            Also, you can take the number of deaths divide by the number of total cases and see what happens. Maybe it's not 3.1% for those five days.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:49PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:49PM (#955621)

        Exactly 3.1% for several days, then it abruptly lowers to exactly 2.1% and stays there. I would consider those numbers to be suspicious.

        These figures would surely demonstrate control measures and early treatments are effective?

  • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday February 08 2020, @07:15AM (1 child)

    by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday February 08 2020, @07:15AM (#955551)

    China takes desperate, "wartime" measures to stop coronavirus in Wuhan

    I really hope they're not "wartime" desperate [youtube.com] (opening scene of Outbreak).

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @07:30AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @07:30AM (#955553)

    ...but apparently not to the extreme of accepting assistance from the CDC and WHO. What does China not want the rest of the world to see?

    There have been other pandemics, some of which killed far more people or have been far deadlier than this. The flu epidemic in 1918 was particularly severe. And there were multiple outbreaks of the bubonic plague which were also quite deadly. The breakdown of society is far more unsettling to me than the actual virus.

    If we were to accept the higher numbers of infections and deaths in China, that's a mortality rate a bit under one in six. That's a high rate of mortality, but would probably be exacerbated due to the inability of people to receive treatment. The sheer number of people infected would place an extreme toll on the health care system. However, that is partly the result of the initial coverup and lack of action to stop the virus from spreading. The quarantine certainly makes the situation worse.

    Based on the official numbers, the death toll in Wuhan is 4.1% versus 0.17% in the rest of China. While the virus is the official cause of death, it seems we should be far more concerned about the resulting panic, breakdown of society, and humanitarian crisis.

    Also, here's an interesting quote for those who would be willing to censor speech to limit the spread of misinformation, trolling, and conspiracy theories: (Source: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/as-chinese-internet-users-try-to-track-the-coronavirus [buzzfeednews.com])

    “I think arresting someone just because they posted inaccurate information is plain ridiculous. While I do agree there's a certain responsibility borne when posting stuff online, it's really impossible to draw a line between misinformation and non-government approved content,” [Ken] Chung said. “While the Chinese have just noticed the harsh truth of censorship, I don't see why Hong Kongers should step back and accept it.”

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @09:10AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @09:10AM (#955579)

      > What does China not want the rest of the world to see?

      Isnt' it obvious? They don't want to be in the backward 3rd world aid-receiving club. China is very Important and no Problems, you see?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:54PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:54PM (#955624)

      Look up "saving face" in Chinese culture. It is not like in other cultures. That's why they are the first with a social credit score.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:21PM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:21PM (#955634) Journal

        Look up "saving face" in Chinese culture. It is not like in other cultures.

        I can think of a lot of other cultures where saving face is just as big a deal.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:08PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:08PM (#955648)

          > I can think of a lot of other cultures where saving face is just as big a deal.

          Sure (although you didn't name any). However, there are more faces to be saved in China than any other country (based on population...)

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 08 2020, @03:23PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @03:23PM (#955673) Journal
            Sure, I didn't name any. But I would consider any of the major world powers similar in their insistence on saving face. It's laws not the culture of the powerful that determines how far they can go in saving face.
    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:33PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:33PM (#955782)

      I sometimes attend an international trade show, which is in Germany this year, so I get their adverts. Latest email quoted here--

      Given recent circumstances with the spread of the coronavirus in China, I would like to reassure everyone who is planning on joining us in Hannover for the 20th Anniversary Tire Technology Expo that we have taken a number of measures to ensure your health, safety and well-being. Among the key measures being put in place, please note the following:

              Our exhibitors from China are welcome to participate so long as they can confirm that their staff coming to the expo will not have come directly from China and will have been away in Europe or elsewhere for at least 17 days before arriving at the expo. Some Chinese exhibitors have already confirmed their stands/booths will be staffed entirely by people from their European offices and subsidiaries.

              On arrival at the expo and conferences, all exhibitors and visitors from China will be requested to sign a declaration confirming that the above policy has been adhered to.

              We are also requesting ALL visitors to the expo to confirm that they have not been to China in the 17 days prior to their arrival. This is a unilateral declaration that we are requesting from everyone coming to the event, regardless of country of origin. There will be sufficient staff available to ensure a smooth and quick verification process, and the same verification will also be available online prior to you coming to Hannover.

      ...

  • (Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:01AM (11 children)

    by Dr Spin (5239) on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:01AM (#955564)
    There are a number of Youtube videos where people claim that the Chinese figures cannot be true because the graphs are not exponential.

    While not wishing to take a stance on the credibility of Chinese figures, I would like to point out that these people, if not trouble makers or idiots, have a poor understanding of the underlying issues, particularly how maths actually works.

    Nuclear reactions show exponential growth - one atom exploded, gives out N particles, a percentage P of which trigger M further explosions.
    M = N * P

    so, next iteration after time 1 you have N * P * (N * P).

    After time t you have N * P)^t.

    With Coronavirus, people are not radioactive particles, and don't behave like them.

    Lets say we have a family with two parents, two children and two grandparents (so, not my family then).

    Mum goes to work as a nurse, and gets infected. However, she is a 30-something non smoker, and just coughs a bit. .

    She comes home and infects the rest of the family. The grandparents gradually get sick, and stay at home. They probably die, but not infect anyone else.
    The children show no symptoms, and go to school, where they run aound screaming and playing tag, and infect all the other kids on day two.
    Day three, the other kids have infected their families. The adults go to work and infect their cow-orkers.
    Now the big unknowns here are:

    • How many kids in a class
    • How many adults in a home
    • How many cow-orkers in a workplace.
    • Did any of the family use public transport
    • Did any of them go shopping and if so, how many shops did they go to, and how many people were there.
    • How much incubation is needed between infection and being infectious
    • How long are you infectious for, and is this the same for people who don't get really sick

    Assuming infection happens with a single contact, which is certainly possible, but possibly rare.

    You need to include all of these unknowns in your formula, and it is not going to be an exponential because exponentials happen when the result depends on a single parameter. I have identified seven, and as an infamous American politician has pointed out - there are known unknowns and unknown unknowns.

    Generally, I would say, even if you are already sick, it is better to get infected early - while the hospitals are not bursting at the seams, than to isolate yourself in you mum's basement and not get infected until after the medical supplies are exhausted.

    And above all, do not believe random idiots posting on Youtube, regardless of nationality, race or religions, or anybody who uses facepalm or twitnit. Or go on cruise ships if you are retired.

    --
    Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:21AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:21AM (#955568)

      Shortage of testing kits [businessinsider.com] vs. uncountable increase in infected. People are also staying home because they don't want to be put in a hastily constructed death camp. We need a count of the amount of bodies being dumped into the incinerators.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday February 08 2020, @09:06AM

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @09:06AM (#955576) Journal

        We need a count of the amount of bodies being dumped into the incinerators.

        That would certainly give us a rough estimate of what was actually happening. But how can you be sure that they died of the virus and not some other underlying condition, or something entirely unrelated to the virus?

        We are unlikely to get such figures from any authoritative source at present, hence why much of the 'reporting' that we are seeing is nothing more than speculation, or is limited to those facts that can be independently verified which tends to under report the true figures.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:59AM (4 children)

      by c0lo (156) on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:59AM (#955574) Journal

      Or go on cruise ships if you are retired.

      And spend you life-dream holiday in a quarantine in Japan [channelnewsasia.com] or New Jersey [cnn.com].

      What's worse: be stuck on a cruise with confirmed coronavirus infection or on one that doesn't leave the port but nobody knows if it is or not?

      --
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @09:13AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @09:13AM (#955580)

        What's worse: be stuck on a country with confirmed coronavirus infection or on one that doesn't leave the port but nobody knows if it is or not?

        FTFY

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by maxwell demon on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:06AM (2 children)

          by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:06AM (#955592) Journal

          I've never heard about a country leaving the port. Usually countries are not moving around very much (there's a bit of plate tectonics, but that's it). Even in war times, usually countries expand or shrink, possibly even vanish, but only very rarely move.

          --
          The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:46AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:46AM (#955599)

            I've never heard about a country leaving the port.

            In a word: Brexit!
            Boris has sworn to tow the UK out into the Atlantic and sink it. Just to please Rees-Mogg and his Moggies

            • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Saturday February 08 2020, @05:47PM

              by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @05:47PM (#955725) Journal

              I see. And a time traveller then went back to Ancient Greece and told Plato about Brexit, and Plato mistook "Atlantic" for the name of the country, and thus the legend of Atlantis was born. :-)

              --
              The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:13PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:13PM (#955630)

      Why not simply look at the R0 and Re figures? [theconversation.com]

      • (Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:38PM (1 child)

        by Dr Spin (5239) on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:38PM (#955640)

        Why not simply look at the R0 and Re figures?
        Because the problem is not simple. Even the article you sited mentioned that "R0" is not really a single figure.
        I was making the point that, in real life it has a multi-dimensional cloud of figures, and expecting results based
        on it having a single value is going to leave you disappointed/confused/befuddled - and if you want to feel
        that way, drinking alcohol and using Facepalm is a more effective way of getting there.

        OTOH, if you need to explain your results to government ministers and tabloid readers, your explanation needs to
        fit the attention span of a goldfish. (Hence the widespread practice of simplifying until the facts are totally lost).

        --
        Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:55PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:55PM (#955663)

          Because the problem is not simple. Even the article you sited mentioned that "R0" is not really a single figure.

          The estimates change over time but they do account for many of things you listed (eg: homebound elderly). Using an average to construct a reducible problem is the basis of statistical analysis. With a contagious outbreak, forward projections must be based on reverse engineering available data. Having a single digit or range is useful because even people who do not understand exponential growth can compare with previous outbreaks to asses risk. That is all the info decision makers need, people like ourselves having pontificated upon the finer details for them.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:27PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @01:27PM (#955637) Journal

      Generally, I would say, even if you are already sick, it is better to get infected early - while the hospitals are not bursting at the seams, than to isolate yourself in you mum's basement and not get infected until after the medical supplies are exhausted.

      Isolating yourself in your mum's basement and not getting infected at all would be vastly superior to either of the two scenarios above. I pick that one.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:30AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:30AM (#955595)

    I once found a papyrus, it told the story of Osiris
    but when i lifted eyelids something got in my iris.

    * it was corona - coronavirus * *oh yeah *
    * it is the source of ires * *oh no*
    " corona - coronavirus * *oh yeah *
    "and now is time to die yes*

    (song ends here as everyone is dead)

  • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:31AM (3 children)

    by inertnet (4071) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @11:31AM (#955596) Journal

    Chinese scientists now say [cbsnews.com] that anteaters are a possible source of the virus.

    • (Score: 1, Redundant) by HiThere on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:14PM (1 child)

      by HiThere (866) on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:14PM (#955610) Journal

      "Possible". OK. But don't take that as any measure of certainty.

      --
      Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
      • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Saturday February 08 2020, @04:00PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @04:00PM (#955687) Journal
        I imagine that's why the term "possible" was used in the first place.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @12:15PM (#955611)

      Hi ant hive mind here. I can confirm this is true.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:15PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:15PM (#955650)

    http://news.mit.edu/2020/slow-epidemic-airport-handwashing-0206 [mit.edu] Link describes a study done last fall (pre coronavirus) that modeled disease transmission around the world. Here are the first several paragraphs. The article has a link to the paper. The model described seems to be fairly complex (but of course it is a model, not reality).

    A new study estimates that improving the rates of handwashing by travelers passing through just 10 of the world’s leading airports could significantly reduce the spread of many infectious diseases. And the greater the improvement in people’s handwashing habits at airports, the more dramatic the effect on slowing the disease, the researchers found.

    The findings, which deal with infectious diseases in general including the flu, were published in late December, just before the recent coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China, but the study’s authors say that its results would apply to any such disease and are relevant to the current outbreak.

    The study, which is based on epidemiological modeling and data-based simulations, appears in the journal Risk Analysis. The authors are Professor Christos Nicolaides PhD ’14 of the University of Cyprus, who is also a fellow at the MIT Sloan School of Management; Professor Ruben Juanes of MIT’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering; and three others.

    People can be surprisingly casual about washing their hands, even in crowded locations like airports where people from many different locations are touching surfaces such as chair armrests, check-in kiosks, security checkpoint trays, and restroom doorknobs and faucets. Based on data from previous research by groups including the American Society for Microbiology, the team estimates that on average, only about 20 percent of people in airports have clean hands — meaning that they have been washed with soap and water, for at least 15 seconds, within the last hour or so. The other 80 percent are potentially contaminating everything they touch with whatever germs they may be carrying, Nicolaides says.

    “Seventy percent of the people who go to the toilet wash their hands afterwards,” Nicolaides says, about findings from a previous ASM study. “The other 30 percent don’t. And of those that do, only 50 percent do it right.” Others just rinse briefly in some water, rather than using soap and water and spending the recommended 15 to 20 seconds washing, he says. That figure, combined with estimates of exposure to the many potentially contaminated surfaces that people come into contact with in an airport, leads to the team’s estimate that about 20 percent of travelers in an airport have clean hands.

    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Saturday February 08 2020, @05:57PM (2 children)

      by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @05:57PM (#955730) Journal

      Next step: Make hand-washing mandatory when entering the airport. Forget the security line. Now you'll be waiting in the hand-washing line!

      Actually, one could make it more thorough: You are required to take a full shower. To save time, that could also be coupled with security. After all, there's no need for a naked scanner if you're already getting naked for showering anyway. ;-)

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:59PM (#955753)

        I've heard that the Aussies fumigate the cabins of airplanes (international flights) to kill bugs (insects) that might cause trouble...before anyone exits the plane.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:11PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:11PM (#955767)

        It's possible that requiring hand washing before entering the airport and having sinks outside the bathroom so that cameras and people can make sure you wash your hands after you leave the bathroom will probably end up saving more lives and costing less in time and money than having the TSA

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:28PM (5 children)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Saturday February 08 2020, @02:28PM (#955654) Journal

    Update

    For those who did not read my journal, on tuesday at my local market here in Bellevue, Saarbrucken, Germany, I snuck out in the afternoon around 2pm to stock up on some things. I intentionally went when there would be few people, and the exact time I went was as near to random as I can imagine. Not written down, not telephoned, I did not know I was going until I was getting dressed.

    300 meter walk, 15 minutes later, I have my bag full and I'm half done, a chinese-looking guy walks in and starts a conversation on his phone. I hear the tonal chinese language. He doesn't look at me but his phone camera points right at me. He is wearing colorless, baggy clothes like a lot of chinese do.

    This not a chinese or immigrant neighbhorhood although I see people of other ethnicities regularly, this totally stood out as not normal.

    I see him wipe his nose with his bare hand. He checks out. I check out. I think wtf.

    q1 What are the chances I encounter a chinese person on tuesday at 2pm at bismor in bellevue? (my answser, near 0)
    q2 What might have been his mission? (my answer, to observe, intimidate, scare or spread chaos, or to spread something else)

    This line, 'order out of chaos' strikes me in this moment. What if those up top decided this was inevitable, some virus was going to get out, so why not get ahead of it. And if they though that, they might think, why don't we take care of other problems at the same time.

    So when the dust settles, is this virus going to result in a much higher percentage of xi critics, human rights activists, and all manner of other people inconvenient to totalitarian governance 'dying of the virus'?

    What if there were two viruses? A slow one with 1/6 mortality and a fast one with 5/6 mortality, and in the chaos they seek out their enemies and give all of them the fast one?

    Has anyone read the book Nexus? Which is to say, what if nanoweapons are in play here?

    There have been times I have considered myself a chair sitting pogue, someone far removed from the front lines of conflict, but is it not now clear that there are no front lines? That civilians are now under a similar threat as soldiers? And that in this conflict no one is even going to tell the civilians what the sides are or what weapons are in play?

    I would love to hear one of those people from a few years back come here and tell me that 'we can trust the rich people to manage society because they don't want their profits to be affected' or even, dare you even recall, the reaganic panacea of 'The Invisible Hand'? Invisible hand, meet the coronavirus.

    'That's not a knife, THIS is a knife!' comes to mind from mr dundee's nifty if problematic motion picture.

    https://archive.is/OPkTH [archive.is] everyone in this picture is probably already underground
    https://archive.is/KSdMl [archive.is] never forget what their priorities were post-epstein pre-corona

    Ill keep you posted over the next two weeks as we determine if I am being assassinated.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday February 08 2020, @03:59PM (3 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 08 2020, @03:59PM (#955686) Journal

      What are the chances I encounter a chinese person on tuesday at 2pm at bismor in bellevue?

      What are the chances of dozens or hundreds of low probability events happening to you every time you get up in the morning? Pretty damn good. Just because you saw a low probability event doesn't mean much when you're in a sea of them.

      • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Sunday February 09 2020, @03:29PM (2 children)

        by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Sunday February 09 2020, @03:29PM (#956049) Journal

        Never said it was dozens. I never ever said that. Cumulatively, when you are being stalked by APT's, it adds up to dozens of encounters, yes this is true, but spread out over your entire life. It really sucks, appreciate your sympathy, /s.

        JTRIG tactic, always always cast aspersions and restate the targets claims in the most absurd, exagerated and humiliating way possible.

        article about china targetting americans:
        https://whowhatwhy.org/2020/02/05/are-chinese-cops-targeting-americans/ [whowhatwhy.org]

        And these are for you,
        https://archive.ph/EdHYz [archive.ph]
        https://archive.is/iOckl [archive.is]

        The truer something is, the more stooges like you show up to fling shit. So thanks for helping confirm! You are doing your part, even if it is exactly the opposite of what you think you are trying to dol, so keep it up!

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 09 2020, @06:05PM (1 child)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 09 2020, @06:05PM (#956102) Journal

          Never said it was dozens. I never ever said that.

          I said that. You just didn't notice them because they didn't trigger your paranoia. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing.

          Cumulatively, when you are being stalked by APT's

          What could you be doing that stalking by "APT's" (advanced persistent threat, right?) would make sense? They don't have infinite resources to throw at every conspiracy webpage and/or anti-Semite on the internet. You need to be doing something worth responding to, first.

          The truer something is, the more stooges like you show up to fling shit.

          Not the way I see it. There's a zillion people on the internet claiming truth all the time. I look for evidence not some dude fumbling with a cell phone at the checkout counter.

          Further, you think this is "flinging shit"? I can show you a bunch of replies to my posts that are genuine flinging of shit. Doesn't make my stuff any truer.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @05:23AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @05:23AM (#956255)

            What could you be doing that stalking by "APT's" (advanced persistent threat, right?)

            I read that as "Adult Pedophile Tyrannosauruses". Or "Automatic Penetration Tool"? Perhaps "Always Paranoid Tossers". Could be worse, could be being stalked by copyrighted APIs! No escape, then.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @04:12PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @04:12PM (#955692)

      For those who did not read my journal, on tuesday at my local market here in Bellevue, Saarbrucken, Germany

      Sigh, we're letting everybody in.

      Ill keep you posted over the next two weeks as we determine if I am being assassinated.

      Can't wait!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @03:00PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @03:00PM (#955666)

    i am going to go with the theory that these "china outbreaks" have happen before in the last 50 years or so, for sure.
    the "problem" was that back in, say 1983, not everyone had a camera and world-wide connection wired to his brain; china (and us) was more bicycle and less car, that is to say, less connected.
    so if this happened 30 years ago, just the same, lots of people would die and no one would care (or know) much, not even the (non-clubberment) chinese themselves ...

    also, if you want to see something (focuse attention) you will see it everywhere (selectif perception).
    also a "known unknown" is just "a unknown" and a "unknown unknown" doesn't exists but is a really smart term to write "zeros" into the brain (dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX).
    another (less sexy way) to formulate "unknown unknowns" is "keep worrying!" ^_^

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @04:41PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @04:41PM (#955702)

    To get an equivalent number of people under quarantine, one would need to lock down every single person in the 50-largest cities in the United States:

    What a beautiful thought. Can you imagine doing just that, and rebuilding ourselves an agrarian nation as TJ intended.

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:05PM

      by legont (4179) on Saturday February 08 2020, @06:05PM (#955732)

      Enjoyed last night https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York [wikipedia.org]

      --
      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 09 2020, @06:15PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 09 2020, @06:15PM (#956109) Journal
      Or merely lock down the Los Angeles/San Diego region. "Equivalent" is not the same number of people since the US has a fourth the population of China.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:10PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:10PM (#955766)

    "A familial cluster of pneumonia associated with the 2019 novel coronavirus indicating person-to-person transmission: a study of a family cluster"
    https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30154-9 [doi.org]

    Notably, patient 1 or patient 3 who had visited Wuhan hospital might have been infectious before symptom onset because patient 5 was shedding virus without symptoms.

    A rather unexpected finding from the lung CT scan of patient 5, which was done on the insistence by the nervous parents, also showed ground-glass pneumonic changes. Patient 5 was later confirmed virologically to have an asymptomatic infection. Although asymptomatic patients with SARS were uncommon, they were documented in our retrospective study in the minor 2004 SARS outbreak after reopening of the wildlife market in Guangzhou.

    Soothing reassurances are nice and all, but not when they contradict observed and published facts.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:30PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:30PM (#955780)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 08 2020, @08:40PM (#955788)

      spoiler -- if that guy is a bio weapons expert, so am I (when I don't clean the toilet frequently).

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:08PM (#956581)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:11PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:11PM (#956583)
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:27PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:27PM (#956593)

        Would you have believed him if he had flatly denied it?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:33PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10 2020, @11:33PM (#956596)

          yeah shitty headline but actually pretty good article.

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