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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday February 19 2020, @12:28PM   Printer-friendly
from the to-infinity-and-beyond,maybe dept.

SpaceX announces partnership to send four tourists into deep orbit:

SpaceX announced a new partnership Tuesday to send four tourists deeper into orbit than any private citizen before them, in a mission that could take place by 2022 and easily cost more than $100 million.

The company signed the deal with Space Adventures, which is based in Washington and served as an intermediary to send eight space tourists to the International Space Station (ISS) via Russian Soyuz rockets.

The first of these was Dennis Tito, who paid $20 million for an eight hour stay on the ISS back in 2001. The last to go was Cirque du Soleil founder Guy Laliberte, in 2009.

The new tourists would be carried on SpaceX's Crew Dragon capsule, which was developed to transport NASA astronauts and is due to make its first crewed flight in the coming months.

"Our goal is to try to get to about two to three times the height of the space station," Space Adventure's president Tom Shelley told AFP.

The ISS orbits at 400 kilometers (250 miles) above Earth's surface, but the exact altitude of the Space Adventures mission would be determined by SpaceX, added Shelley.

At its earliest, it could take place by late 2021, though "probably more likely is sometime in 2022," he said.

The capsule was designed to take astronauts from the surface to the ISS. Just nine square meters in volume[sic], there are no private areas to sleep wash or use the bathroom.

Mission duration will depend on what the customers want, said Shelley.

Space Adventures has posted its official announcement on its website.


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SpaceX Tourist Trips to Space Station Reportedly to Cost $55 Million Each 29 comments

SpaceX tourist trips to space station reportedly to cost $55 million each:

A trio of space tourists will blast off to the International Space Station (ISS) in a SpaceX capsule, after Axiom Space made a deal with Elon Musk's company on Thursday. The first 10-day trip could happen in the latter half of next year, the company said in a release.

However, it won't be cheap -- a seat could set you back around $55 million, the New York Times reported, and one person has already signed up. Two days will be spent traveling to and from the space station, and eight on board. The tourists will be accompanied by an Axiom astronaut who'll make sure they don't distract the ISS crewmembers.

"This will be just the first of many missions to ISS to be completely crewed and managed by Axiom Space -- a first for a commercial entity,"  Axiom boss Michael T. Suffredini said in a statement. "Procuring the transportation marks significant progress toward that goal, and we're glad to be working with SpaceX in this effort."

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SpaceX Announces Partnership to Send Four Tourists Into Deep Orbit


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SpaceX Almost Ready to Start Testing SN3 -- The Third Starship Prototype 9 comments

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

[Editor's note: SN3 is SpaceX parlance for "Serial Number 3"; Elon Musk is not just working on building rockets, he's building an assembly line and plans to build one Starship a week. This helps explain the use of serial numbers. --martyb]

For almost a year now, SpaceX has been building a series of Starship prototypes that will test how the system fares when launched to orbit.

[...] Musk recently shared images of the components for the SN3 prototype undergoing assembly.

Shortly after these images were shared, the assembled components were seen on their way to the company's test facility at Boca Chica, Texas, on the morning of March 29th. They were then seen being transferred to the launch pad by roll-lift and crane as of late afternoon. Footage of both these events was captured by the LabPadre and shared via Twitter.

SN3 pic.twitter.com/bM1wzzd4Zg

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

Like its predecessors, the next step for the SN3 will be cryogenic loading trials in which the spacecraft's methane and oxygen tanks will be filled with a cryogenic liquid (most likely liquid nitrogen).

[...] In a previous statement, Musk announced that the SN3 would be used for static fire tests and short flights, whereas longer test flights will wait for the SN4. [...] There is [...] documentation that indicates that SpaceX will be conducting tests as early as next week.

The documents, which were shared on NASASpaceFlight, reference a permit issued by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for the "Starhopper" vehicle, which is valid until June 2020. They further suggest that a static fire of the SN3's engines could take place between April 1st and 3rd, followed by a 150-meter (500 ft) hop test between April 6th and 8th. This was the maximum height achieved by the Starship Hopper.

[...] Once the Starship is finished and integrated with the Super Heavy booster, Musk hopes to begin conducting payload runs to the moon by 2022, followed by crewed missions to the surface by 2024. In between, Musk also intends to conduct the first lunar tourism mission (#dearmoon), which will involve sending a crew of artists around the moon in 2023.

-- submitted from IRC

Previously:
(2020-04-01) SpaceX Releases a Payload User's Guide for its Starship Rocket
(2020-03-10) Another Starship Prototype Explodes, but SpaceX Isn't Stopping
(2020-02-19) SpaceX Announces Partnership to Send Four Tourists Into Deep Orbit
(2020-01-18) Elon Musk Discloses Details for SpaceX Mars Mega-Colony


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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday February 19 2020, @12:42PM (7 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday February 19 2020, @12:42PM (#959843) Journal

    Crew Dragon vs. Starship
    9.3 m3 / +1,100 m3
    7 seats / 40 cabins + rooms
    LEO joyride / swing around the Moon
    proven technology / could explode

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    • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:24PM (6 children)

      by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:24PM (#959874)

      >Proven technology
      Umm, you're talking about the capsule that just exploded a couple tests ago...

      Maybe it's just me, but "proven technology" in a space capsule suggests something that's flown at least a few dozen times *without* exploding.

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:31PM (5 children)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:31PM (#959877) Journal

        The Falcon 9 booster is proven, and Crew Dragon made it to ISS, is similar to Cargo Dragon, and only exploded in a test after it had returned to Earth and got dunked in seawater.

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        • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday February 19 2020, @04:12PM (4 children)

          by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @04:12PM (#959894)

          The booster is fairly well proven, certainly.

          The module itself though - even including the Cargo Dragon there've still been less than two dozen flights total, two of which experienced anomalies, and one which failed - due to the carrier rocket exploding rather than a problem with the module, but while the the module could likely have survived, the software hadn't been written to consider that situation and failed to deploy parachutes.

          It's certainly well on its way to being proven technology, but I would say it hasn't quite got there yet.

          Of course it does beat the socks off the as-yet completely untested Starship.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Freeman on Wednesday February 19 2020, @04:48PM (3 children)

            by Freeman (732) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @04:48PM (#959908) Journal

            The Space Shuttle is the only American space vehicle that has been used more. Personally, I'd call it proven, with Starship being the possible to explode, unproven vehicle.

            Space Shuttle Numbers:

            Total launches 135
            Successes 134 launches and 133 landings
            Failures 2
            Challenger (launch failure, 7 fatalities),
            Columbia (re-entry failure, 7 fatalities)

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle [wikipedia.org]

            Apollo Command and Control Module Numbers:

            Launched 19
            Operational 19
            Failed 2
            Lost 1

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_command_and_service_module [wikipedia.org]

            Mercury Project:

            First crewed flight

                    Mercury-Redstone 3
                    May 5, 1961

            Last flight

                    Mercury-Atlas 9
                    May 15, 1963

            Successes 11
            Failures 3 (MA-1, MA-3, and MR-1)
            Partial failures 1 (Big Joe 1)

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mercury#Spacecraft [wikipedia.org]

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            • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday February 19 2020, @05:00PM (2 children)

              by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @05:00PM (#959912)

              Put those numbers in perspective - the Shuttle had a 2/135 = 1.5% failure rate

              The Dragon capsule in comparison has had a 1/21 = 4.8% failure rate

              The Dragon will need to more than triple the number of missions flown without any additional failures in order to reach the reliability track record of the space shuttle.

              Mercury and Apollo certainly fared far worse - but they were cutting edge military projects, not civilian transportation. The standards are far different.

              Personally, I find a 5% chance of death to be a little high for a joy ride.

              • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Wednesday February 19 2020, @10:46PM (1 child)

                by Osamabobama (5842) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @10:46PM (#960052)

                5% chance of death

                That may be a good rough number for planning purposes, but if you were putting money on it*, you should expect it to be lower, because the failure has since been mitigated. That is, the potential causes of failure in the past were more numerous than current potential causes.

                * That is to say, it's not your death that is on the line.

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                • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Thursday February 20 2020, @02:08AM

                  by Immerman (3985) on Thursday February 20 2020, @02:08AM (#960135)

                  Well, they *attempted* mitigation anyway.

                  Only time will tell if the mitigation was successful, and if any new problems were introduced in the process.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @12:51PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @12:51PM (#959844)
    There should be something to visit up there. They could put up a Bigelow inflatable habitat [nasaspaceflight.com] for example. It could be reused for multiple tourist flights. Could be expanded into a commercial space station with multiple modules. If they're already spending $100 million on the mission, Why not invest a few hundred million more, and put something interesting up there. Although the view of the Earth and the star background is already interesting.
    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday February 19 2020, @01:13PM (3 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday February 19 2020, @01:13PM (#959845) Journal

      Bigelow has already paid SpaceX for up to 4 private trips to the ISS [spaceflightnow.com]:

      Bigelow Space Operations says it will charge $52 million per seat to send private astronauts to the International Space Station aboard Crew Dragon ferry ships, and has already paid “substantial sums” to SpaceX for up to four dedicated crew missions to the orbiting research complex.

      Bigelow's big plans for inflatable hotels haven't gone anywhere. They haven't sent any more modules to the ISS. They probably need Starship or SLS to launch their giant BA 2100 [wikipedia.org] if that ever gets built.

      While the ISS has been using a Bigelow prototype [wikipedia.org] as a broom closet, NASA has gone with a different, Boeing-backed company [spaceflightnow.com] to provide real use of inflatables:

      NASA has selected Axiom Space, a Houston-based startup partnering with Boeing and other aerospace contractors, to attach a commercial habitat to the International Space Station and begin constructing an orbiting complex that the company says could ultimately replace the international research outpost.

      Axiom won a NASA competition to connect a commercial module to the forward port on space station’s Harmony module, or Node 2, officials announced Monday. NASA made available the port in a commercial solicitation last June, asking companies for proposals to join a public-private partnership with the space agency to develop and demonstrate technologies for a future commercial space station.

      [...] NASA says it selected Axiom to provide at least one commercial module for attachment to the space station. But Axiom has more ambitious objectives.

      Axiom says it plans to build and launch several modules to form the “Axiom Segment” of the International Space Station. The company said it targets launch of the first module in the latter half of 2024.

      The elements planned by Axiom include a node module, an orbital research and manufacturing facility, a crew habitat, and a “large-windowed Earth observatory” that is similar in appearance to the International Space Station’s cupola module. Axiom said the new commercial segment will add more research and habitation facilities to the ISS, and provide “novel avenues of research in areas such as isolation studies and Earth observation.”

      Research currently conducted on the ISS could be transferred to the new commercial facility gradually to prevent interruptions with the ISS is retired, Axiom said in a statement.

      While its partnership with NASA is focused on connecting a module to the International Space Station, Axiom plans to detach its commercial modules when the ISS reaches its retirement date, forming a standalone, free-flying commercial orbital station. Before the International Space Station is decommissioned and the Axiom Segment is detached, Axiom aims to launch a solar power platform to provide the commercial modules the electricity and cooling previously provided by the ISS.

      [...] The industry team assembled by Axiom includes Boeing and Thales Alenia Space of Italy. Boeing and Thales built most of the pressurized modules on the U.S. segment the International Space Station, and Boeing’s Starliner commercial crew capsule could fly private astronauts to and from the ISS and the Axiom station.

      Bigelow was *the* big name in inflatable modules, now it looks like they are paying SpaceX to send tourists to a competitor's modules.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @01:54PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @01:54PM (#959851)

        Yeah, I guess windows are important. Bigelow should build something independent with the experience they aquired.

      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:59PM

        by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:59PM (#959888)

        >Bigelow's big plans for inflatable hotels haven't gone anywhere.
        Where would they go? Last I heard they're still waiting for rockets big enough to launch their production model B330 (though... I think Falcon Heavy might be just capable)

        >They haven't sent any more modules to the ISS.
        Why would they? The current BEAM module is a long-term proof-of-concept module that's doubling as a storage closet. Not any point in sending up anything else until NASA or one of the other space agencies involved is prepared to purchase a B330 to add useful capacity to the ISS

        Given the resounding success of the BEAM, I'm rather surprised that NASA would select some unproven startup to expand the ISS with more metal cans, rather than at least including a Bigelow module in the plan. I'm wondering if there's some political maneuvering or other non-technical reasoning behind that decision.

        On the other hand, last I heard Bigelow was still planning to launch their own independent commercial space station within the next few years. Perhaps with those plans in place, they just weren't feeling "cooperative" enough to play ball with NASA as well.

        Hmm, or perhaps NASA is intentionally positioning themselves as a proving ground to foster commercial development in the space station market. With Bigelow having a business plan and proven technology for large-volume habitation and work modules, fostering another company specializing in more traditional hard modules could be a smart move - there's lots of more complicated systems that aren't well suited to direct integration into inflatable modules. And assuming both companies are designing to the ISS's standard for linking modules, you should be able to mix-and-match Bigelow and Axiom modules as desired for future space stations.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday February 19 2020, @01:21PM (2 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @01:21PM (#959847) Journal

      There should be something to visit up there.

      Once the Moon Nazis [wikipedia.org] have been vanquished they should build a retirement colony on the Moon. Old people will enjoy the micro-gravity and the pants-optional Fridays.

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      • (Score: 1) by Kitsune008 on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:34PM (1 child)

        by Kitsune008 (9054) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:34PM (#959879)

        Yeah, but if they send most USAians, they will have to watch out for the 'Whalers on the Moon' mistaking them for prey. ;-)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @05:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @05:22PM (#959914)

          If the 'Whalers on the Moon' puncture Trumps ego he's liable to explode.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @10:31PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @10:31PM (#960044)

      Why not invest a few hundred million more, and put something interesting up there.

      I know! Pornhub originals studio. will get younger generations interested in space.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2020, @12:51AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2020, @12:51AM (#960104)

        Nothing sexier than throwing up in zero-g.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2020, @03:00PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2020, @03:00PM (#960291)

          Hmmm. Vomit flying around in zero-G wasn't the bodily fluid I was thinking here.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2020, @07:35PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2020, @07:35PM (#960417)

            You don't get a choice. Half of the would-be stars will get space sickness.

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