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posted by janrinok on Thursday February 27 2020, @05:34PM   Printer-friendly
from the moon-rabbits dept.

As per The New York Times, and undoubtedly elsewhere,

China's robotic Chang'e-4 spacecraft did something last year that had never been done before: It landed on the moon's far side, and Yutu-2, a small rover it was carrying, began trundling through a crater there. One of the rover's instruments, a ground-penetrating radar, is now revealing what lies beneath.

The Chang'e-4 mission, the first to land on the lunar far side, is demonstrating the promise and peril of using ground-penetrating radar in planetary science.

In a paper published Wednesday in the journal Science Advances, a team of Chinese and Italian researchers showed that the top layer of the lunar soil on that part of the moon is considerably thicker than some expected, about 130 feet of what scientists call regolith.

"It's a fine, dusty, sandy environment," said Elena Pettinelli, a professor of mathematics and physics at Rome Tre University who was one of the authors of the paper.

Based on what NASA astronauts observed during the Apollo moon landings, other scientists said they would have expected one-quarter as much soil.

"That's a lot of regolith," said David A. Kring, a senior scientist at the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston who is not involved with the Chinese moon mission. That's food for thought.

Chang'e-4 landed just over a year ago inside Von Karman crater, a 110-mile-wide depression, and continues to explore a part of the moon that has not been seen up close before.

The radar technology aboard the rover is widely used on Earth to reveal buried structures, and it has been deployed on spacecraft that orbit Mars but it has rarely been used on the surface of other worlds.

Yutu-2's predecessor, which landed on the moon in 2013, carried an identical instrument. Three rovers scheduled to be launched to Mars in July, one by NASA, one by a collaboration between Russia and the European Space Agency and one by China, all have similar radar instruments.

Dr. Kring said he had worked on proposals to NASA for using ground-penetrating radar on future missions to the moon, both robotic and crewed. The Chinese mission's findings might show the technology's utility, especially to find ice deposits beneath the lunar surface that could help make possible extended stays on the moon by human crews.

[...] One surprise was that the researchers saw no signs of the radar bouncing off basalt - solidified lava - that would have pooled at the bottom of a crater as the rocks melted by a meteor impact cooled. Yutu-2's radar signals would have bounced off that rock if the rover had visited Von Karman crater soon after it formed.

[...] But the research also points to potential pitfalls of ground-penetrating radar data.

The Yutu instrument emits two frequencies of waves - a high-frequency band that Dr. Pettinelli and her colleagues analyzed and a low-frequency band that penetrates deeper but does not provide as much detail and which they ignored in this paper, because they consider it unreliable.

In a paper published in the journal Science in 2015, a different group of Chinese researchers described a complex geology of nine distinct layers below Mare Imbrium, a lava plain on the moon's near side where China's earlier mission, Chang'e-3, had landed. Those findings were based on the first Yutu rover's low-frequency radar data.

A few years ago, Dr. Pettinelli led a session at a scientific conference where Yan Su, a professor at China's National Astronomical Observatories, presented another analysis of the Chang'e-3 radar data. She said she did not say anything during the session, but later told Dr. Su that she had performed the analysis incorrectly. Further analysis led the two and their colleagues to conclude that the reflections that had been interpreted as geological features of the moon in the 2015 Science paper were distortions caused by the metallic body of the rover.

"Basically, it's a mess," Dr. Pettinelli said.

[...] "I would not say these missions are producing extraordinary science," [Dr Kring] said. "But they are demonstrating a newfound capability. And they are on the science side, filling in some details, providing some details we didn't have."


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:12PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:12PM (#963632)

    Where's the cheese?

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Thexalon on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:29PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:29PM (#963641)

      It's under the Pink Floyd records.

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    • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:34PM

      by RamiK (1813) on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:34PM (#963643)

      The Nazis had the bunnies turn it all into mochi cheesebread.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @03:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @03:25AM (#963930)
  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:31PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:31PM (#963642) Journal

    Can they dig it up?

    Would they say they unearthed a sealed can of fish? Fish having no biological relation to any living organism on Earth.

    Would it be incorrect to say "unearthed" ? Should they say "unmooned" instead?

    I suppose being "unmooned" is the opposite of being "mooned".

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:37PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:37PM (#963645)

    according to fossil fuel with a dash of atom splitting industry financed industry, everything is teached to be reduced to simple geometrical forms: circles, lines, triangles.
    if the moon is not the source of simplicity but presents its self as a regular body, then a hidden variable supporting its regular existance is elsewhere to be found ...
    much luck sailing the tidel oceans with solarwinds then?
    i suppose we could argue if making the monthly periods longer or cheaper to deal with is gender neutral? or maybe worth of prison?

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:07PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:07PM (#963662)

      wat i mean is, that there are only two genders, so lets fight.
      but on a side note, even a lobsided triangle can be made to look like a hollywood made circle moon with a.center.of mass wayyyy of circle center.
      this would be awesome and would yield some crazy ass class action lawsuit staffed by circle center believers moonlighting as judges, dad,... err.. mom, lol

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:16PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:16PM (#963668)

        Sour Diesel? Purple Kush?

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:35PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:35PM (#963682)

    is there a full moon today?

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:40PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:40PM (#963687)

    I imagine the far side is more prone to asteroid impacts which would pulverize the existing landscape and add a fair amount of new material.

    Or it is just the engine exhaust side of the space station so naturally the dust is deeper there.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by tangomargarine on Thursday February 27 2020, @08:07PM (1 child)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday February 27 2020, @08:07PM (#963702)

    The Chang'e-4 mission, the first to land on the lunar far side, is demonstrating the promise and peril of using ground-penetrating radar in planetary science.

    [...] But the research also points to potential pitfalls of ground-penetrating radar data.

    The Yutu instrument emits two frequencies of waves - a high-frequency band that Dr. Pettinelli and her colleagues analyzed and a low-frequency band that penetrates deeper but does not provide as much detail and which they ignored in this paper, because they consider it unreliable.

    She said she did not say anything during the session, but later told Dr. Su that she had performed the analysis incorrectly. Further analysis led the two and their colleagues to conclude that the reflections that had been interpreted as geological features of the moon in the 2015 Science paper were distortions caused by the metallic body of the rover.

    peril, noun: serious and immediate danger.

    Loss of accuracy in a report by some white labcoat on Earth years after gathering some data is not "serious and immediate danger".

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    • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday February 29 2020, @02:25AM

      by vux984 (5045) on Saturday February 29 2020, @02:25AM (#964460)

      "promise and peril" though is a not-uncommon idiom meaning "risk vs reward"

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday February 27 2020, @08:30PM

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday February 27 2020, @08:30PM (#963721) Journal

    I start the radar, only for moment and now the moment's gone
    All the frequencies pass before my eyes a curiosity
    Regolith in no wind
    All they are is regolith in no wind

    Same old song, look for ice in what is a waterless sea
    All the data crumbles but we refuse to see
    Regolith in no wind
    All data are regolith in no wind

    Now don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the surface (no sky)
    It slips away, and all the lunar missions won't another atmosphere buy!
    Regolith in no wind
    All we are is regolith in no wind.....

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Thursday February 27 2020, @08:31PM (4 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday February 27 2020, @08:31PM (#963722) Journal

    SpaceX to mature Starship Moon landing and orbital refueling tech with NASA’s help [teslarati.com]

    SpaceX’s first SAA centers around studying the task of landing Starship – a “large rocket” – on the Moon and attempting to understand just how the Moon’s powdery regolith (i.e. inorganic topsoil) will respond when subjected to the plume of a Raptor engine. Put simply, the task of landing a spacecraft as massive as Starship has never been attempted on the Moon, and the process itself – irrespective of any potential surprises from plume-regolith interaction – poses some obvious challenges.

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    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:45PM (3 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:45PM (#963781) Journal

      Put simply, the task of landing a spacecraft as massive as Starship has never been attempted on the Moon, and the process itself – irrespective of any potential surprises from plume-regolith interaction – poses some obvious challenges.

      What's so hard about that? All they have to do is deploy an extra large parachute.

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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:52PM (1 child)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:52PM (#963793) Journal

        Just slam into the dust, like a cushion.

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        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday February 27 2020, @10:18PM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday February 27 2020, @10:18PM (#963817) Journal

          Sure, as long as we're talking dust-bunny dust and not Newtonian fluid dust. Newtonian fluid dust would suck.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @01:06AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @01:06AM (#963886)

        Just hover for a while before landing. Solar system's largest leaf blower ever.

  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:50PM (3 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:50PM (#963788) Journal

    Your title got me all excited, thinking they finally found Tycho Magnetic Anomaly-1 [wikipedia.org]. It would have explained everything that's happened in the last few years.

    But it's just extra deep dirt.

    Thanks for nothing.

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 27 2020, @10:55PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday February 27 2020, @10:55PM (#963837) Journal

      Your title got me all excited

      Yeah, me too. I thought they found lawyers

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    • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Friday February 28 2020, @10:25AM (1 child)

      by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Friday February 28 2020, @10:25AM (#964061) Journal

      You know if I was Elon Musk, I'd be so tempted to blow a few billion sending up a secret SpaceX mission to plant a monolith in that crater...

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday February 28 2020, @01:38PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday February 28 2020, @01:38PM (#964082) Journal

        That would be epic. And then when they open it up in front of the eyes of the world, it's a Tesla Powerwall battery. The free media would be worth billions.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @10:20AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @10:20AM (#964059)

    have sent coronavirus as warning.

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