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posted by martyb on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:19PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the keep-the-taxpayer-money-flowing dept.

NASA OIG: Tell Congress that moon rocket is over budget and behind schedule:

NASA's moon rocket has reached a point in cost overruns and delays that should trigger Congressional review, a report by the NASA Inspector General says.

The NASA Office of Inspector General said the Space Launch System rocket being developed to fly astronauts to the moon exceeded cost and schedule baselines by more than 30 percent at the end of fiscal year 2019. That 30 percent threshold should prompt Congressional attention, the OIG said, though NASA disagreed.

"NASA continues to struggle managing SLS (Space Launch System) Program costs and schedule as the launch date for the first integrated SLS/Orion mission slips further," according to the report released Tuesday. "Rising costs and delays can be attributed to challenges with program management, technical issues, and contractor performance."

<sarcasm>News of SLS being behind schedule and over budget will come as a shock to many. But we should take comfort that no problem is so great it cannot be solved by throwing more taxpayer money at it.</sarcasm>


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NASA wants to buy SLS rockets at half price, fly them into the 2050s

NASA has asked the US aerospace industry how it would go about "maximizing the long-term efficiency and sustainability" of the Space Launch System rocket and its associated ground systems.

[...] In its request NASA says it would like to fly the SLS rocket for "30 years or more" as a national capability. Moreover, the agency wants the rocket to become a "sustainable and affordable system for moving humans and large cargo payloads to cislunar and deep-space destinations."

[...] Among the rocket's chief architects was then-Florida Senator Bill Nelson, who steered billions of dollars to Kennedy Space Center in his home state for upgraded ground systems equipment to support the rocket. Back in 2011, he proudly said the rocket would be delivered on time and on budget.

"This rocket is coming in at the cost of... not only what we estimated in the NASA Authorization act, but less," Nelson said at the time. "The cost of the rocket over a five- to six-year period in the NASA authorization bill was to be no more than $11.5 billion. This costs $10 billion for the rocket." Later, he went further, saying, "If we can't do a rocket for $11.5 billion, we ought to close up shop."

After more than 10 years, and more than $30 billion spent on the rocket and its ground systems, NASA has not closed up shop. Rather, Nelson has ascended to become the space agency's administrator.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:36PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:36PM (#969741)

    It's about time for another coronavirus update sub.

    Or a quality aristachu sub.

    Either one - I'm cool.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:48PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:48PM (#969743)

      WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says, "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!"

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:58PM (2 children)

        by Freeman (732) on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:58PM (#969751) Journal

        No, he's only saying up to 15% of the old people will die, so don't panic, we might be able to afford Social Security after all.

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        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:53PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:53PM (#969816)

          So ... this China virus is fuck-the-boomers virus ... that what you are saying? Some kinda "batshit" karma?

          • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday March 12 2020, @03:31PM

            by Freeman (732) on Thursday March 12 2020, @03:31PM (#970255) Journal

            You're saying that, I'm saying that the older you are and the more compromised your immune system, the higher the death rate. You're politicizing / rationalizing the virus.

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            Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:25PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:25PM (#969763)

        I appreciate that he waited until after we are already past the point of containment and after China has theirs under control.

        Never trust the WHO

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:32PM (2 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:32PM (#969770) Journal

        I read today that South Korea has their under control . . . because of . . . OMG . . . TESTING!

        Gee, I wish we had Testing in the USA.

        If we had testing, we might know what the real numbers of infections are. Maybe we're in for a very rude awakening once test kits eventually become available.

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        Calmly vote. Fill out your ballet and drop it in the ballet box. Don't dance around bothering the pole watchers.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:58PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:58PM (#969783)

          Move along - nothing to test here.

          Comment below if you want toilet paper cheap (prepaid bulk order only).

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:06PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:06PM (#969786)

            Bidets will be cheaper than TP soon.

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:29PM (3 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:29PM (#969766) Journal

    <no-sarcasm>
    The editors thought sarcasm tags were necessary? :-)
    </no-sarcasm>

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    Calmly vote. Fill out your ballet and drop it in the ballet box. Don't dance around bothering the pole watchers.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:34PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:34PM (#969774)

      Given that most every user here is on the spectrum, and it is text, ya it seems like a good idea!

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:02PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:02PM (#969784) Journal

        News of SLS being behind schedule and over budget will come as a shock to many. But we should take comfort that no problem is so great it cannot be solved by throwing more taxpayer money at it.

        That first sentence works better without a sarcasm tag.

        But that second sentence, well, okay. That one should be tagged or maybe just omitted so as not to trigger anyone. Although it was intended to get a snicker rather than criticize any specific parties or individuals, as they are all guilty of this.

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        Calmly vote. Fill out your ballet and drop it in the ballet box. Don't dance around bothering the pole watchers.
    • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday March 11 2020, @09:43PM

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 11 2020, @09:43PM (#969855) Journal
      Really! Two words: Poe's Law [wikipedia.org].
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  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:32PM (6 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:32PM (#969771) Journal

    You stuff more and more money into it at some point, it has to produce something.

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    Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:09PM (5 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:09PM (#969787) Journal

      it has to produce something.

      Waste.

      Jobs in Alabama.

      The more money you put into it the more you justify putting more money into it later because you've already put so much into it. (See: sunk cost)

      Lessons about how "new space" companies beat "old space" companies and their ways of thinking and contracting.

      An object lesson in how bloated and inefficient the "old space" companies have become. And their other aerospace problems (737 Max, Starliner). SpaceX bid less on its Dragon 2 than Boeing bid on Starliner. Yet which one will fly first. Boeing bragged that its higher bid was justified because of its experience and safety record. Yet the latest report about starliner is about "almost loss of mission" issues. And 737 Max is pure safety issues from mismanagement.

      At nearly $1 Billion dollars per SLS launch (audited), NASA can only afford to fly it maybe once a year at best and maybe less. If we had never done SLS, how much would we have wasted by not using those old shuttle engines again? A single SLS launch could buy ten Falcon Heavy launches.

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      Calmly vote. Fill out your ballet and drop it in the ballet box. Don't dance around bothering the pole watchers.
      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:20PM (3 children)

        by Freeman (732) on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:20PM (#969792) Journal

        SpaceX has done so much in such a short time period, I think it took everyone by surprise. Saying you want to make space rockets and actually making viable space rockets are two totally separate things. SpaceX has done a superb job and thanks to them, I might actually see some cool footage from the Moon/Mars in my lifetime. While a rover is interesting and all, having a person there doing things, taking pictures, taking samples, doing science, that would be super awesome.

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        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:29PM (2 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:29PM (#969798) Journal

          It might not be possible to send people anytime soon. But it would be nice to see some real progress. More rovers. Robots setting up bases for eventual human occupation. Producing fuel from local Martian resources to refuel return vehicles. Have fully fueled return vehicles ready before the first humans ever land.

          These things might drive the need for technologies that have a lot of unanticipated spin off applications for every day people.

          Dehydrated water.

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          Calmly vote. Fill out your ballet and drop it in the ballet box. Don't dance around bothering the pole watchers.
          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @02:34AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @02:34AM (#970029)

            HO HO HO very funny.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 13 2020, @02:27AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 13 2020, @02:27AM (#970510)

              Ok. Wow. This blew up.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @02:29AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @02:29AM (#970026)

        SLS seems to be having some of the same QA problems as the Boeing USAF aerial tanker contract.

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