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posted by martyb on Monday March 16 2020, @05:23PM   Printer-friendly
from the know-when-to-hold-'em-know-when-to-fold-'em dept.

Don't worry; they'll make more.

[Editor's preface: SoylentNews has a Folding@Home team (#230319) As of this writing, SoylentNews.org is ranked at number 210 in the entire world! My current Core 2 Duo laptop would do little to support the effort compute-wise, so I assist as best I can by cheerleading, communicating our team's progress, and similar activities. We have a channel on our IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server "#folding" where there is sporadic discussion about progress. Check out the list of previous stories at the bottom of this story... to get involved, just mention it in the comments and come join our team!

If you are wondering what in the world F@H is, Wikipedia has a nice summary of Folding@Home . And, of course, there is F@H's "About" page, too. --martyb]

Intro:
If you are a Folding@Home (F@H) contributor, you may have noticed that you aren't getting your normal allotment of work units. It appears to have started some time Friday, March 13. The root cause? Schools shutting down around the United States.

Looking for Work [Units]:
Kids are scared (some more, some less) of the Coronavirus, they read something somewhere about efforts such as F@H that are working on curing various diseases. Those kid's gaming rigs are exactly what F@H and other similar research groups need. And, some of these kids have machines that most of us would envy! A well-built gaming machine is simply awesome!

https://foldingforum.org/viewforum.php?f=61

That forum is filled with "newbs" trying to figure out how to set up F@H on their machines, and then complaining that they can't get a work unit.

This post, specifically, explains that the huge influx of volunteers has depleted the available work units. https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=32424 Apparently, on Friday, the staff filled the WU servers' caches with the normal weekend's amount of WU's and they were gone by early Saturday morning. Someone volunteered to work on Saturday to refill the caches, which were promptly emptied out again.

One of the posts on the F@H forum suggests that F@H has about 4 times the number of folders that it had a week ago.

What to do?
If you find yourself unable to download a WU, take a look at the log. You will probably find complaints,
"No WUs available for this configuration" and/or "Port 8080 unreachable, trying port 80" and/or "no http service available".

Those and more are all related to the fact that the servers are being hammered by half a zillion school kids who are looking for something useful to do with their time, and their computers.

Be patient, and just let your client work through it. It will eventually download a work unit, crunch it, and return it.

Official Statement:
Straight from the F@H project: Coronavirus – What we're doing and how you can help in simple terms – Folding@home

Related Stories

Meta: Official Soylent News Folding@Home Team 66 comments

I've taken the liberty of setting up an official folding@home team for Soylent News. In case you aren't familiar with folding@home, it's a distributed computing project that simulates protein folding in an attempt to better understand diseases such as Alzheimer's and Huntington's.

There is more information on the project here, which explains it much better than I could.

Clients are available for Linux, OSX, and even Windows (if you swing that way), so come join our botnet!

That Other Site's team is ranked at 1817, so we've got some catching up to do.

On a personal note, my Dad carries the gene markers for Huntington's disease, and will eventually succumb to it. Research like this is very helpful for understanding, and hopefully developing treatments for it.

tl;dr Our Soylent News team ID is 230319


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Soylent News has a Top 1000 Folding@Home Team! 25 comments

I'm thrilled to report that the Soylent News Folding@Home team is now ranked among the top 1000 folding teams in the world! As of this submission, we are currently at rank 996. The team has been active for just over two months and has made impressive progress. Thank you to all who have participated.

Current team member rankings follow:

  1. cmn32480
  2. Beldin65
  3. LTKKane
  4. tibman
  5. Kymation
  6. meisterister
  7. Runaway1956
  8. kurenai.tsubasa
  9. SirFinkus
  10. NotSanguine

If you'd like additional information, or would like to join our team, there is more information available here, or feel free to join us in #folding on chat.soylentnews.org

Please note that the numbers across the different reporting sites are not exactly consistent. Team members may appear in different orders based on where and when the stats are viewed.

Thanks
-SirFinkus


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Folding@Home - Team SoylentNews About to Reach a Milestone! 18 comments

[Folding@Home is a distributed computing project that takes advantage of otherwise idle computing resources on volunteer's computers to simulate how proteins fold and thus guide progress to finding a cure to diseases such as: Alzheimer's, Huntington's, Parkinson's, and many cancers. --martyb]

Back in February of this year, one of our site's members Sir Finkus introduced our community to Folding@Home with this story:

I've taken the liberty of setting up an official folding@home team for SoylentNews. In case you aren't familiar with folding@home, it's a distributed computing project that simulates protein folding in an attempt to better understand diseases such as Alzheimer's and Huntington's.

There is more information on the project here , which explains it much better than I could.

Clients are available for Linux, OSX, and even Windows (if you swing that way), so come join our botnet!

That Other Site's team is ranked at 1817, so we've got some catching up to do.

On a personal note, my Dad carries the gene markers for Huntington's disease, and will eventually succumb to it. Research like this is very helpful for understanding, and hopefully developing treatments for it.

tl;dr Our Soylent News team ID is 230319

We are pleased to announce that our SoylentNews Folding@Home team is now approaching the top 500 spot! Our team size has plateaued, but new members are welcome at any time. To put this milestone in perspective, since the time when the team started in mid-Februrary of this year, we have overtaken 229,814 teams!

We even have a channel, #folding, on IRC.

Official Stats:
http://fah-web2.stanford.edu/teamstats/team230319.html
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=230319

Better Stats at:
Team Summary
Teams Overall Rank
Overtake Projections - Teams Ranked 501-600
Overtake Projections - Teams Ranked 499-500

Related Coverage:
Soylent News has a Top 1000 Folding@Home Team!
Huntington's Disease: University of Toronto Researcher is First to Share Lab Notes in Real Time


Original Submission

Meta: SoylentNews' Folding@Home Team is Now in the Top 500 in the World 37 comments

It has only been six short months since SoylentNews' Folding@Home team was founded, and we've made a major milestone: our team is now one of the top 500 teams in the world! We've already surpassed some heavy hitters like /. and several universities, including MIT. (But now is not the time to rest on our laurels. A certain Redmond-based software producer currently occupies #442.)

In case you aren't familiar with folding@home, it's a distributed computing project that simulates protein folding in an attempt to better understand diseases such as Alzheimer's and Huntington's and thereby help to find a cure. To that end, SoylentNews' team has completed nearly 16,000 work units.

If you'd like to contribute to our team by donating some spare CPU/GPU cycles, you can get started here. There are clients available for Linux, Windows, and OSX. Once you have installed the software, enter the TeamID 230319 to join us.

Feel free to join #folding on our IRC channel if you need any help, or just want to chat.

Thank you to all that have participated, and a special thanks to our top 10 folders:

  1. cmn32480
  2. Runaway1956
  3. Beldin65
  4. tibman
  5. LTKKane
  6. EricAlbers_ericalbers_com
  7. Kymation
  8. meisterister
  9. kurenai.tsubasa
  10. NotSanguine

Related Links:
http://folding.stanford.edu
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=230319


Original Submission

SoylentNews Folders Rocket Past 400 27 comments

Our SoylentNews' Folding@Home team shows little sign of slowing down. We've now passed 400th place and barring any surprises, we might pass #300 just before the year's end. UC Berkley (387 at time of writing) is one of the next big names on our overtake list, and by the time this story goes live, we may have already passed them.

In case you aren't familiar with folding@home, it's a distributed computing project that simulates protein folding in an attempt to better understand diseases such as Alzheimer's and Huntington's and thereby help to find a cure. To that end, SoylentNews' team has — as of a query at 2016-10-07 02:10:00 (UTC) — completed just shy of 21,000 work units!

If you'd like to contribute to our team by donating some spare CPU/GPU cycles, you can get started at Stanford's Folding at Home web site. There are clients available for Linux, Windows, and OSX. Once you have installed the software, enter the TeamID 230319 to join us.

Feel free to "/join #folding" on our IRC channel if you need any help, or just want to chat.

Again, thanks to all that have participated, especially our Top 10 folders:

  1. malloc_free
  2. cmn32480
  3. Runaway1956
  4. Booga1
  5. AnotherMindbomb
  6. NCommander
  7. EricAlbers_ericalbers_com
  8. NotSanguine
  9. Frojack
  10. wArlOrd

Related Links:
http://folding.stanford.edu
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=230319


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Meta: Three Years In - What Has Happened and How we Got Here 56 comments

Two of SoylentNews' staff submitted stories noting our three-year anniversary; one a site summary of where we are and a summary of what we've done, and the other a detailed presentation of the very early days and how SoylentNews got started.

Three Whole Years -- Thanks to You!

Three years ago, today, SoylentNews announced its presence to the world. Much has happened along the way of our providing a place for a community to grow and to engage in discussion.

It started as a fork of five-year-old, open-sourced code which had suffered under benign neglect. Perl, Apache, MySQL, and other products had continued on. So we had to deal with dependencies on unsupported and back-level versions of code. A great deal of effort went into bringing the site up-to-date with current versions of that base. See below for mechanicjay's illuminating first-hand account of how that all got started.

[Continues...]

Meta: SoylentNews Update 17.05; Backend Changes; Folding@Home News; Accounts Milestone; Funding Shortfall 145 comments
[Ed Note: I goofed. The upgrade is (roughly) 00:00 on 5/22/2017, no 5/21. Sorry for the screw up. - cmn32480]

[Ed Note 2: Damn devs have made a liar out of me... moved it back to the original schedule noted below. - cmn32480]

[TMB Note: Site update complete. Bumped so folks will notice.]

It has been a few months since we last updated SoylentNews, and we've not been content to rest on our laurels. Our next site update is tentatively scheduled for Sunday, 2017-05-21, depending on staff availability. We'll update this story when we know for sure when it will take place.

Since this post was started, other things have come to light, so there's a bit of everything in here. Read on for the full scoop:

Web Site Changes

In this latest update (scheduled around 00:00 UTC on 5.21.2017, but we are flexible), we have made the following improvements:

  1. Supported subscription payments made with Bitcoin [again].
  2. Fixed a bug which blocked non-whole-dollar bitcoin subscriptions.
  3. Provided immediate feedback of theme changes.
  4. Added button that, when clicked, marks all comments in a story as "unread".
  5. Added support for "<s>" and "<strike>" tags.
  6. Fixed bug where a plus sign "+" in a user's nickname made their user page inaccessible from site links.
  7. Removed unused Javascript code.
  8. Made minor, non-user-facing changes (code cleanup, etc.)

Backend Changes

As always, we appreciate constructive feedback. Reply with a comment to this story, join us in #dev on IRC (Internet Relay Chat), or submit a bug on GitHub.

Separately, the team has made great strides in moving to running on Gentoo. We are taking this step very methodically, making sure we have a solid foundation in place on one server before we even think of rolling it out to the rest of our systems. Yes, that means we will be free from systemd. Kudos to NCommander, Mechanicjay, Audioguy, TheMightyBuzzard, Paulej72, and Deucalion.

SoylentNews' Folding@Home Team Update

It's amazing how spare compute cycles add up! SoylentNews has a Folding@Home team which is helping researchers find a cure for diseases such as Huntington's, Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's — among many others. Our team was launched on Feb. 12, 2016. In just over 15 months, we have amassed well over 300 million points which places us at Team 304 out of 226564! Barring any surprises, and continuing at our current rate, we are on track to break past 300 and into the 2xx's on or about May 28th, 2017.

We are always open to receiving new team members. Contact Sir Finkus for more information, either via email at this site, or via the #Soylent or #folding channels on our IRC -- Internet Relay Chat server.

Accounts Milestone

New account creation has been relatively consistent and steady over the past year averaging out to a new account pretty much every day. It is a pleasure to inform the community that, on May 18th, account number 6600 was registered on the site.

Funding Shortfall

Lastly, it is my sad duty to inform the community that our cash intake has been seriously deficient so far this year. Our budget for the six-month period of Jan 1, 2017 through June 30, 2017 is $3,000 and we are currently at approximately half that, with less than 6 weeks to go.

We have in excess of 100 users who have been active on the site within the last 30 days whose subscription has lapsed. It is easy enough to do — I have failed to notice my own subscription's end on more than one occasion!

Plain and simple, the site needs to pay its bills. Please look at your subscription page and consider making a contribution. The dollar amounts shown in the text-entry fields are the minimum amount required for that subscription duration. We've had a few users anonymously contribute significantly more than that in the past.

Some have chosen to give a gift subscription to NCommander (UID: 2) as a sign of support. However you choose to make a contribution, please do so now.

Thank-you
-- martyb

Meta: SoylentNews Site Update Story Followup -- WOW! 75 comments

SoyentNews is staffed by volunteers who give of their time and knowledge to provide a forum where people can discuss stories submitted by the community. We have no outside funding source.

Per our advance announcement on Saturday, May 20th, we completed our site update... one day ahead of schedule! And, even more amazingly, the community came together and we had over four dozen people subscribe since then! THANK YOU! Read on for more details.

Meta: Nearly End-Of-The-Year Summary 29 comments

Another year is almost behind us and I thought it would be useful to take a look at what we have accomplished up to this point.

For those who may be new-ish here, SoylentNews went live on 2014-02-17. Since then, we have:

  • Reached 244th place in the world with our folding-at-home team.
  • Had nearly 780 site subscriptions.
  • Had over 2740 articles posted to journals.
  • Signed up over 6,800 user nicks/accounts.
  • Published over 20,000 stories.
  • Received over 24,000 story submissions.
  • Had over 403,000 comment moderations.
  • Posted over 615,500 comments.
  • Had nearly 9,200,000 hits (views) on stories.

All of this was provided with absolutely no advertising by a purely volunteer staff!

Please accept my sincere thanks to all of you who have subscribed and helped to keep the site up and running! We could not have done it without your support.

I must also report that we have just over 100 people who have accessed the site in the past month whose subscription has lapsed. It is easy enough to do -- I've let it happen, myself. So, please go to the subscription page to check/renew your subscription. Be aware that the preferred amount is the minimum for the selected duration; feel free to increase the amount (hint hint).

Oh, and I would be remiss in not thanking the staff here for their dedication and perseverance. Linode decided to open a new data center and we had to migrate our servers to the new location. We accomplished this with almost no downtime on the site, and only about a 30-minute hiccup on our IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server.

Because of performance degradation on our servers when loading highly-commented stories, we rolled out a new comment display system early in the year. It had several issues at the outset, but seems to have settled down quite nicely. We appreciate your patience, and constructive feedback reporting issues as they arose. It helped greatly in stomping out those bugs.

We have a bug-fix update to the site in the works... mostly minor things that are waiting on testing for release. We hope to roll those out in the next couple of weeks.

To all of you who have contributed to the site, in other words: to our community, thank-you! It has been a privilege to serve you this past year and I look forward to continuing to do so in the year to come. --martyb


Original Submission

Meta: Systems Status -- Certs, Developers, and Community, Oh My! 31 comments

This is a followup to: SoylentNews Site Certificates Expiring... We ARE Working on It, But... [Updated]
and: Site Services Restored

Certs (Not Just a Breath Mint):

Thanks to the efforts of The Mighty Buzzard and NCommander we now have valid certs, issued by LetsEncrypt installed on all of our servers. Except that the IRC server needs to be bounced to make its cert active on the backup daemon, all should now be in effect. As in our original story, you can check our certificate status with these links:

https://crt.sh/?q=soylentnews.org
https://crt.sh/?q=%%25soylentnews.org
https://crt.sh/?q=sylnt.us
https://crt.sh/?q=%%25sylnt.us

Developers:

The past few days have brought into focus a situation that has been building for several months: We really only have a single person who is working on developing features for the site, The Mighty Buzzard. As with any large and on-going undertaking, this burden is taking its toll. I try to help out as I can, but as I am the primary QA/Test guy who is much better at the user-facing things than what all happens "under the covers", my abilities and assistance are limited. If you have any spare time and would like to lend a hand (and every bit helps), please reply in the comments or contact The Might Buzzard directly on IRC.

Community:

I recall in the early days of this site when things would fall over several times a day. That has largely become a thing of the past... to the point where it is unusual for any issues to appear on the site and the support services we maintain (email, wiki, IRC, etc.) The baseline code on which this site was founded (open-sourced, out-of-date, back-level, and non-functional) was not promising, but the staff managed to bludgeon it into shape and we now have a solid foundation. That it continues to run as smoothly as it has is a testament to our SysOps folk who toil largely in the background and just keep things working... as well as the continued care-and-feeding that TMB so generously provides. To all of you, please accept my heartfelt thanks and appreciation!

Some numbers: we are approaching the 23,000th story posted; have recently passed 700,000 comments submitted; have had over 3,300 journal articles posted; and are on the cusp of having our 120th Poll!

Though all numbers are approximate and unofficial, it appears we surpassed our funding goal for the first half of the year ($3,000) with a net subscription tally of just over $3,250! I'll leave it to our treasurer to collate and post the official numbers. I'll leave the "Funding Goal" side bar as is for a week or so to commemorate this accomplishment. Do note that subscriptions are still being accepted and will count towards the second half of the year's funding needs.

Folding@Home: Not all of you may be aware, but our soylentnews team for Folding@Home is currently at 240th place... in the world! It started with a single story posted to this site. Just over four years ago, we were at 230,319th place! If you have any spare computes you would like to contribute, especially GPU-based, we'd love to have you sign up! Just reply in the comments and I'm sure someone will get back to you.

Whenever I write one of these stories, I always fear I'll have omitted someone or something important. Please accept my humble apologies if I have done so as there is no intent to slight any contributor.

To the community, I offer my thanks for your contributions to the site as well as your patience and understanding during the challenges of the past few days. Contributions are not just financial (though we wouldn't be here without them -- Thank You!), but also submitting stories and comments, and moderating comments, too! The community continues to impress me with your wide-ranging knowledge and expertise; I have learned much from the exchanges in the story comments!

Lastly, please keep janrinok (our Editor-in-Chief) in your thoughts and wishes while he undergoes a medical procedure and attendant recovery period. Best of luck JR!

--martyb


Original Submission

Meta: SoylentNews' Anniversary, Site Statistics, and What to do about Journal Spam 40 comments

On July 5th of 2014, SoylentNews was officially given approvals for its letters of incorporation as a Public Benefit Corporation.

This is a good opportunity to take stock of where we are. Read on past the fold for coverage of:

  • Fundraising
  • Site activity
  • Folding@Home
  • Journals of Spam Accounts
  • Submit Stories
  • Thank YOU
Meta: Happy Holidays! 18 comments

Greetings!

To those of you who may be celebrating a holiday at this time of year, on behalf of the staff at SoylentNews, please accept my best wishes to you and those you hold dear.

For Fun:

With glee I am pleased to announce that The Mighty Buzzard has given a gift to all registered users on the site. These are good until 2019-12-26 00:10:00.

Thank You!

As the end of the year approaches, I extend my humble thanks to all of you who have subscribed to SoylentNews!

As of this writing, we have received $1799.47 towards a goal of $2000.00 for the second half of the year. All funds received go directly to supporting the site: web hosting, domain name renewal, tax preparation, etc. Nobody has ever received any money for their work on SoylentNews. We are staffed entirely by volunteers who give of their free time to keep the site running and the story queue filled. By my estimate, we have probably passed the minimum funds received that are needed to support the site for this half of the year... but actually reaching the goal would give us a bit of a cushion against the unexpected. To those who have let their subscription lapse and to those who may have never subscribed before: please subscribe and help us meet our goal.

Folding@Home:

Rarely mentioned, but SoylentNews does have a folding@home team which recently surpassed one billion points earned and now holds 218th place in the entire world! Here are views of their progress individually and as a team. Their efforts contribute to helping medical research into Alzheimer's disease, Huntington's disease, and many forms of cancer, among other diseases.

This Year So Far:

The SoylentNews web site has been available 24 hours day, 7 days a week... except for a couple relatively brief unplanned outages. Further our IRC (Internet Relay Chat) has been available throughout this time, as well. (There may have been a brief downtime due to scheduled Linode maintenance on our servers.) Also, behind the scenes, all the supporting back-end stuff has been chugging along: web servers, databases, caches, E-Mail processing, and lots more. Those of you who have been with us since the start remember the frequent site crashes of those early days. Often several times per day! The rarity of site crashes, now, is a testament to the hard work of many people who gave of their time and expertise to make SoylentNews so stable, today.

These are the folk who quietly mind the underpinnings of and automate everything so well you don't even know they are there and would likely feel embarrassed if attention were brouht to them. Please join me in thanking them, anyway!

Some Numbers:

The editorial staff at SoylentNews has posted 4,884 stories to SoylentNews since 2019-01-01. With a very conservative estimate of 5 minutes per story, that amounts to 407 hours' time. Put another way, that is 10 full-time person-weeks.

Please join me in thanking the editors who have so generously given of their free time to make this happen!

Thanks Again!

Lastly, I am taking advantage of this opportunity to again thank everyone who offered their support during my recent health issue. I'm still a little wobbly typing with my left hand's pinky, but as things could have gone, I'll take this any day of the week, instead! It is my sincere hope that by sharing my experience, it may help someone else make a change in their life and avoid my experience or much worse.


Original Submission

Folding@Home Update by Way of Folding.Extremeoverclocking.Com 10 comments

Please note the official web site for folding@home is https://foldingathome.org. As a free service, folding.extremeoverclocking.com (FEO) provides a variety of reports based on data it gathers from the official site. This story is from an announcement made on FEO.

Basically, folding@home is a distributed computing system whereby volunteer's machines are issued "work units" to process and, when they have completed their processing, upload their results back tofolding@home. See the excellent write-up at Wikipedia for more details.

tl;dr: When F@H announced they were working on SARS-CoV-19 (COVID-19), the outpouring of support has overwhelmed their infrastructure; their servers are having trouble keeping up with the demand for work units and the subsequent upload of results. Don't give up!

Where did the day go? (03.18.20, 9:32pm CDT)

Important news first! I've noticed this and I know many others have too, yes the official Folding@Home stats seem to be loading slow for people, or it might timeout with an error. Same goes for getting your passkey and work units! There have been so many new people signing up these past few days that you guys are overloading their system!

With that said, one of the guys over at Linus Tech Tips let me know they have created a special folding Emergency Response Thread to Covid-19 that has some up-to-date info on registration / server issues, and are offering direct troubleshooting and support to help people get their clients up and running!

Also, before sending me an email, please check out the EOC Folding Stats FAQ as it answers a lot of the common questions I've been getting!

With so many people emailing me asking where their stats are, and the loading issues with the official site, I'm going to try to expand processing to additional teams & users. My initial goal is to increase processing of Team data from 6,000 to 12,000 teams. Individual data I'm not quite sure how I'm going to handle quite yet, I'm going to get the team data going first and see how many are active and what kind of movement there is.

I was looking over my server's performance charts this morning, and I noticed a considerable peak in the mysql query-per-second. Did some digging through the logs and it looks like the French "Z Event" plea to join folding went gangbusters on Twitter and their team is moving up fast. I noticed PC Master Race has added over 20,000 new users in the past week too!

So, if you have been experiencing problems with your F@H client, this may be the reason why! And, if you were unaware, we have our own folding@home team: "SoylentNews.org", and currently ranked 210th in the world. Go Team! Come join us!

Follow along at home!

Previously:
Folding@Home Joins Fight Against SARS-CoV-2; New Folders Prompty Drain Work Unit Queue


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  • (Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Monday March 16 2020, @05:29PM (7 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Monday March 16 2020, @05:29PM (#971943)

    It's only Monday, and I've already had enough of this virus paranoia.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @05:36PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @05:36PM (#971946)

      One of the symptoms of COVID-19 is spelling confusion.

    • (Score: 2, Disagree) by ikanreed on Monday March 16 2020, @06:39PM (3 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 16 2020, @06:39PM (#971963) Journal

      Move to the UK. Their government promised to not do anything, and I think that's one of the few things that the Johnson cabinet can actually manage.

      • (Score: 2) by el_oscuro on Monday March 16 2020, @11:08PM (1 child)

        by el_oscuro (1711) on Monday March 16 2020, @11:08PM (#972041)

        Johnson looks like that guy on Airplane: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue"

        --
        SoylentNews is Bacon! [nueskes.com]
        • (Score: 1) by danuk on Wednesday March 18 2020, @11:44AM

          by danuk (5137) on Wednesday March 18 2020, @11:44AM (#972716)

          This comment has made me laugh sooo much. Brilliant. Thank you

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @11:56PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @11:56PM (#972046)

        That honestly sounds like a marvellous plan. Politicians futzing around are causing more crisis than the virus.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @07:25PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @07:25PM (#971979)

      I'm concerned that this crisis is an opportunity to implement unnecessary authoritarian policies. I understand the need to temporarily close schools and place restrictions on some businesses to encourage social distancing. However, I'm concerned about curfews being imposed in places like New Jersey and Puerto Rico. They're authoritarian and are almost certainly counterproductive. If people need to take a walk for exercise or to go to the grocery store, it's probably a good thing if some people choose to do so late at night. If some people voluntarily shift their schedules, it reduces the amount of people in stores and out on the streets at any particular time. That will actually reduce the spreading of this virus. Curfews are counterproductive, but are certainly authoritarian. We need to be wary of restrictions that are implemented due to this virus but don't have a clear public health benefit. To be clear, I support policies that will actually help to reduce the spread of this virus. A curfew will actually make things worse.

      • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Tuesday March 17 2020, @09:50AM

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @09:50AM (#972126) Journal

        If people need to take a walk for exercise or to go to the grocery store, it's probably a good thing if some people choose to do so late at night.

        Indeed, in Bavaria due to Corona grocery shops now are allowed to be open longer so that you now can also shop in the later evening.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by PiMuNu on Monday March 16 2020, @05:32PM (2 children)

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Monday March 16 2020, @05:32PM (#971945)

    Fantastic - not only school kids getting geeky, but also doing something useful with their geekery! Awesome!

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by FatPhil on Monday March 16 2020, @07:40PM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday March 16 2020, @07:40PM (#971984) Homepage
      The initial research results from F@H were a bit few and far between, and in rather niche fields, so I never really got into full cheerleader mode for it (you should see me in a cheerleading skirt - it's awesome![*]). However, seeing their recent blog posts linked to above, they're turning out real world results in the field of ... wait for it ... the RNA virus that has caused recent endemic outbreaks - Ebobama! And if they can start attacking this one too, all's good.

      So let me extend my thanks to the contributors to the soylentnews team, and consider yourself cheerled. Nope, sorry, I'm not joining in, I don't even have a "gaming GPU", and all my RasPis together would amount to even less grunt than martyb's core 2 duo.

      [* or awful, I always get the two confused, anyway, there will be awe, and frequently shock.]
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @07:02AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @07:02AM (#972118)

        It doesn't appear that F@H supports ARM processors anyway. There are plenty of BOINC projects that do support ARM. They also hand out small enough units so less power is needed to meet the deadline. The real problem is wear and tear, as Raspberry Pis have crappy cooling and the work units will beat through your SD card.

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 16 2020, @06:11PM (3 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday March 16 2020, @06:11PM (#971955) Journal

    New Folders Prompty Drain Work Unit Queue

    Slip in some bogus SETI work units, see if anybody notices.

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    • (Score: 3, Flamebait) by FatPhil on Monday March 16 2020, @06:18PM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday March 16 2020, @06:18PM (#971957) Homepage
      I hear there's a new project along a similar vein that's just been created. An interesting hybrid task, part SETI-like, but which has the possibility of improving people's wellbeing - "Hunt for the President's Brain".
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      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 16 2020, @08:26PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday March 16 2020, @08:26PM (#972001) Journal

        Several SETI scientists were harmed in the making of this project.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday March 17 2020, @12:53AM

          by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Tuesday March 17 2020, @12:53AM (#972061) Homepage
          However, they provided vital information to those studying tardal forces near black holes.
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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 16 2020, @08:14PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 16 2020, @08:14PM (#971995) Journal

    I got back in the house, and checked my clients. I have 3 GPU clients, and on CPU client all running at the same time. The CPU returned a result, and failed twice to download a new WU, but got one on the third attempt.

    Gotta get some sleep now, but this is first time since Friday night that all four clients have been busy at the same time. They're doing something right at their server farm!

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by el_oscuro on Tuesday March 17 2020, @01:06AM (12 children)

    by el_oscuro (1711) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @01:06AM (#972064)

    If you want to help but F@H can't process it (or the client doesn't work), there is always BOINC:

    https://boinc.berkeley.edu/ [berkeley.edu]

    Rosetta@home is also working on COVID and there are numerous other projects.

    I tried to install the F@H client on Ubuntu 18.04 but ran into dependencies hell. F@H really needs to get their shit together and make sure their client is in all of the major repos. The Venn diagram overlap of Linux users and F@A is pretty large.

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    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @03:27AM (8 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @03:27AM (#972087)

      Been trying F@H but several issues, too many to list. Not sure if there's a way to give them feedback, but what's the use- the installer is more than 2 years old. Doesn't look like a lot of development effort.

      Thanks for the info on BOINC. I had not heard of it before. I tried it but installer asks for name and email. Not interested in giving that.

      Any thoughts or advice?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @05:26AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @05:26AM (#972105)

        fake name and e-mail?

        by the way, I told microsoft teams I'm 10 and I then had to click a whole three or four times to change that to 20 (so that I can actually use the damn thing).

        I miss IRC...

        • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @06:35AM (6 children)

          by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @06:35AM (#972112)

          Yeah, I used to do that a lot, now it's just tiring. I'd bet if the entire nation or world was polled, 90% would vote for it to be illegal to require personally identifying information. Except where it's obviously necessary, like buying online. I mean, I'm offering to help them (BOINC), for free, and they have the gall to require my name and email? Not someone I want to help. So I reinstalled F@H, but again, problems, and the computer seems to freeze up. No idea what's going on. Nothing that tells me what's doing what. Just non-responsive. Can barely get Task Manager to run, and nothing useful there. I ran F@H a few years ago and it seems like it ran much better then.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Tuesday March 17 2020, @09:57AM

            by maxwell demon (1608) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @09:57AM (#972129) Journal

            I'd bet if the entire nation or world was polled, 90% would vote for it to be illegal to require personally identifying information.

            Depends on who does the poll. I'm sure if the poll designers want it, they can formulate it so that the majority of people will agree. Probably polling about something something involving security and children, but carefully formulated that the answer to this specific question isn't actually restricted to those contexts.

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          • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday March 17 2020, @11:44AM (4 children)

            by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday March 17 2020, @11:44AM (#972140) Journal

            You must provide a valid name, email address, and phone number to vote in this poll.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @12:32PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @12:32PM (#972152)

              Syntactically valid ;)

            • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @02:35PM (2 children)

              by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @02:35PM (#972220)

              Yet I vote in the local, state, and federal elections and they don't have my phone # nor email address.

              Point is: US political voting system is an established and accepted governmental voting mechanism. My poll would be a referendum on voting ballots.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @08:01PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @08:01PM (#972442)

                Instead they have the PII of your name, address, proof of citizenship, and DOB.

                • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:32AM

                  by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:32AM (#972565)

                  You're a master of the obvious! Wow! Yes, of course they do, it's part of the US Govt. I'm a US citizen. That's how it works if you want to vote in US elections.

                  What I do NOT want is some random website having that info, to do whatever they feel like doing with it. And I think we've all read enough about how "private" our data and identities are.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @06:03AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2020, @06:03AM (#972109)

      I don't do F@H due to philosophical objections. The fact that they don't seem to care about the software doesn't help either. BOINC doesn't seem to have the same sort of technical problems with their overall software and the workers seem higher quality too, since each project can base themselves on the open source implementations. Plus, it has things like cluster orchestration tools and the ability to do multiple projects, so you don't have the situation here where you computer is ready and waiting, but there is no work.

      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @02:42PM (1 child)

        by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @02:42PM (#972227)

        > Plus, it has things like cluster orchestration tools

        Okay, that's a big plus for BOINC.

        > and the ability to do multiple projects

        That's great. One of my many gripes about F@H, and I may be missing something, is that it will NOT do only 1 project combining all CPU and GPU cores. Each core gets a different project. I'd prefer to put all cores on 1 project and get it done as fast as possible. Clustering several computers together would be even better.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @08:00AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @08:00AM (#972677)

          Grid computing like this already relies on the "embarrassingly parallel" nature of the calculations to distribute work. The thing is, once you distribute the work that way, throwing more cores doesn't necessarily improve things (theoretically, in some situations it can even make it worse). F@H or any other project that can be sped up by using multiple threads or processes on a single unit of work vs having the cores work on different units independently is doing something wrong.

  • (Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @04:31AM (8 children)

    by linkdude64 (5482) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @04:31AM (#972099)

    I couldn't for the life of me find out how to add the specific job numbers to the client for COVID.

    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @06:42AM (7 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday March 17 2020, @06:42AM (#972114)

      I don't think you get to choose that at this point. Stupid. Yeah, I have a list of complaints. Like when you install you have to make several decisions, mainly whether it runs with Windows boot, at login, or on demand. I tried the boot option and it never ran. I uninstalled and reinstalled a couple of times. And you can't change that behavior after install. And even if it would run with boot load option, it won't use the GPU. What???

      I never got it to load a GPU workload.

      The option I mostly want is to choose the estimated compute time for the project.

      I'll give it another try, but like many, I'd prefer to run COVID-19 workloads.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @11:20PM (6 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 17 2020, @11:20PM (#972540) Journal

        On Windows, you can't really run CUDA stuff as a service. Microsoft made that decision. You are pretty much restricted to running at logon, or on demand. Linux has no such restrictions. I run FAH as a service, and all resources are available. FAH starts up about 1/3 of the way through the startup screen, long before X starts.

        • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:39AM (5 children)

          by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:39AM (#972566)

          Interestingly informative you are. Okay, is CUDA an Nvidia thing? Test computer has AMD/ATI GPU and it has OpenCL, which I checked and tested with a utility.

          F@H installer says in fact it will not run GPU if F@H loads at boot time, only if loaded at A) login, or (presumably) B) on demand. I tried all 3 ways. If loaded at boot, I can't seem to get GPU or CPU to work at all. Web interface comes up, then says it can't connect or some such.

          Too much time and fiddling. I want to help, but they really need to make their software much more accommodating, flexible, configurable, etc.- kind of what other's are saying about BOINC.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 18 2020, @01:12AM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 18 2020, @01:12AM (#972578) Journal

            OpenCL and CUDA seem to be "brand names" for much the same thing, but the implementations differ some. End result is, the same work units will run on both, so for our purposes, we can consider them to be the same.

            Windows didn't like the idea of allowing services access to GPU resources. I read through something on the subject, it didn't make much sense to me, but there you have it: Microsoft only permits services to access CPU resources.

            I just have to agree with you, that all of these folding applications require too much fiddling. On Linux, FAHControl is a nuisance, because FAH hasn't updated libraries and dependencies in two years. If/when I want to update/upgrade the system, I must first uninstall FAHControl, do my updates, then do a forced install of FAHControl.

            It's ironic, that they have umpteen geniuses working on the most basic building blocks of life, but not one of those geniuses can be bothered with updating the software they offer. Ehhh, several of us on SN have commented on geniuses not being very smart sometimes.

            • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Wednesday March 18 2020, @03:16AM

              by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday March 18 2020, @03:16AM (#972619)

              > Windows didn't like the idea of allowing services access to GPU resources. I read through something on the subject, it didn't make much sense to me, but there you have it: Microsoft only permits services to access CPU resources.

              Pure speculation, but MS generally likes fast graphics (games too) so they like fairly direct access to display hardware (DirectX and other GPU APIs). If they let too many things have GPU access, they'd have to add layers of contention management that would slow things, maybe just a bit, but something.

              I haven't tried FAH on Linux (yet). I'm basically an admin for some servers and workstations that run 24/7 and aren't working much, so I'd love to run FAH, or BOINC, or something and do something useful. Esp. in cooler weather when we pay to heat buildings, so the extra BTUs are useful.

              I also found FAH left a bunch of junk behind, including in the registry (which I hate anyway) after uninstalling. Probably need to use one of those utilities that take a snapshot before and after an install and clean it up.

              I don't mind a certain amount of fiddling if I have control of things and can make it do what I want. I hate having to fiddle and never get what I want.

              Well, there are many kinds of genius. Almost 30 years ago I worked in industrial controls. That company had a very rigorous system for analyzing a client's needs, conditions, parameters, on and on to the nth degree. Initially I thought it was overkill, tedious, overly analytical, etc., but it usually resulted in very good clearly documented designs. The clients were all Fortune-50 companies, so it was important to be very thorough and "professional". The point of all that is: there may be very poor communication between the scientists and the programmers. But, someone is obviously very good at taking molecular / atomic chemical interactions and making algorithms out of them. That is impressive to me. They just need some better overall sw and usability design. Wish it was open-source- maybe I could help. You'd think engineering and CS students would help with it and it'd be updated monthly or so.

              Thanks for explaining about CUDA / OpenCL. I don't think I've used either other than FAH. The utility said I have OpenCL, but not CUDA. Someday I might read up on it.

            • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Monday March 23 2020, @02:19PM (2 children)

              by RS3 (6367) on Monday March 23 2020, @02:19PM (#974418)

              BTW, in spite of my legitimate complaints about F@H client software, thanks to your (possibly unintended) inspiration and encouragement, I've kept it running on 2 computers which have completed several coronavirus work units.

              CPU only- perfectly good GPUs sitting idle... but at least I'm helping somehow with coronavirus battle. And SN is getting a few extra points.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 23 2020, @02:54PM (1 child)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 23 2020, @02:54PM (#974423) Journal

                LOL, be assured, if I can inspire anyone to contribute to scientific research, I will. Double down on medical research, especially right now. :^)

                • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Monday March 23 2020, @04:29PM

                  by RS3 (6367) on Monday March 23 2020, @04:29PM (#974471)

                  It was that subtle hidden blinking font with subliminal messages that mesmerized me into F@H slavedom.

                  Seeing a COVID-19 work project come in also helped. :)

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