Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:
A team of workers at Art Fraud Insights, LLC, has found that all of the Dead Sea Scroll (DSS) fragments housed at the Museum of the Bible in Washington D.C. are fake. They have published their findings on their company website.
The Dead Sea scrolls are a collection of scrolls found in the Qumran Caves near the shore of the Dead Sea. They were discovered by a Bedouin shepherd in 1946. Since that time, the scrolls have been identified as ancient Jewish manuscripts created over the last three centuries BCE and the first century CE. They are housed in the Shrine of the Book on the grounds of the Israel Museum.
[...] the team [at Art Fraud Insights, LLC] [...] found that the material makeup of the collection did not match that of the original DSS fragments—they appeared to be ancient leather rather than parchment. More importantly, they had found that modern ink had been used to print words on the old material fragments—it had pooled on the old dried leather. The group also found evidence of clay mineral dust similar to that found in the Qumran Caves that had been applied after the inking had been done—evidence of an attempt to cover up the fake materials below. The final verdict: the fragments were not only fake, but had been created for the purpose of deception.
It is still not known who went to such great lengths to create the fake DSS fragments.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @09:50PM
https://www.museumofthebible.org/leadership [museumofthebible.org]
I'll give them this, their home page includes a link to the research noted in tfa.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @09:51PM (11 children)
The Museum of the Bible has been knowingly and illegally collecting this stuff for many years and was only relatively recently called out for it [soylentnews.org]. Given how aggressive they had been on the black market, it is no surprise that they could have been marked as "suckers" and susceptible to this kind of fraud.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @10:07PM
At least the Ark in Kaintucky, discovered by the "Assholes in Genesis" folks, is the actual, real, original Ark that Noah used to go booze crusing in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @10:08PM (7 children)
Indeed. It would be really nice if people claiming to be Christian weren't such gullible assholes.
(Score: 5, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday March 18 2020, @10:25PM (4 children)
It would also be nice if they didn't continue to make up stories and try to pass them off as real history.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:17AM (3 children)
Or say, "I am Holy Holy, a man of God!" and then molest little freaking kids!
Or rip people off by saying"If I don't raise $X millions of dollars, God will take me from this Earth!"
Or...yeah, all the rest of the 'Christians' that talk the talk but can't even walk a straight line to Hell.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:44PM (2 children)
Jim Bakker. [wikipedia.org] Remember him? [wikipedia.org]
Missouri Sues Televangelist Jim Bakker For Selling Fake Coronavirus Cure [npr.org]
Televangelist Jim Bakker sued for selling fake coronavirus cure [cbsnews.com]
Disgraced televangelist Jim Bakker busted selling fake coronavirus treatments [crimeonline.com]
After all, selling fake cures is the Christian thing to do! 2 Peter 2:2-3
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 19 2020, @11:02PM (1 child)
"In response to the scandal, Falwell called Bakker a liar, an embezzler, a sexual deviant, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history."[38] On CNN, Swaggart told Larry King that Bakker was a "cancer in the body of Christ".[34] In February 1988, Swaggart became involved in a sex scandal of his own after being caught visiting prostitutes in New Orleans.[39]"
Yuuu-uup....sounds about riiiight! Talk that talk, walk however da fuck you want.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday March 20 2020, @02:29PM
Swaggart, against the advice of his denomination, did not go through a program for recovering fallen pastors. Then later he was caught in a 2nd sex scandal which was his undoing.
Jesus in Matt 23 has plenty of bad things to say about hypocrisy. That chapter appears to be the harshest words he said. And directed at religious leaders.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 5, Touché) by driverless on Thursday March 19 2020, @05:48AM
Isn't that a prerequisite?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:32PM
People claiming to be Christians? people who ARE Christians have their little rule book and one of the rules says do not bear false witness, so they are off the topic. People who CLAIM to be it, have a motive for telling a lie, and by mere projection they suspect everyone. Not the definition of gullible is it?
As for me, I got here to see how soon the section would resist to token anti-christian reasonings, not surprised so far.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by SpockLogic on Wednesday March 18 2020, @11:11PM
Religious bigots get conned. Boo fuckin' hoo.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 20 2020, @09:39AM
Funded by the Fundie owner of Hobby Lobby, who don't want to pay for your whorish lady parts medicines. But will pay for faked artifacts from the holey lands. Like, a "Pearl of Great Price", or the "James, brother of Jesus" bonebox that was on offer not to long ago. We just need to convince them that there is an alien (divine) spaceship hiding in the tail of C 2017 T4 PANSTARRS, and get them to all drink Strychnine to board the ship, just like Heaven's Gate!! All Abooard!!
(Score: 5, Funny) by SomeGuy on Wednesday March 18 2020, @10:10PM (6 children)
Now if only they could finish the job and prove all religion as fake.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by dltaylor on Thursday March 19 2020, @12:34AM (4 children)
Once an omnipotent, omniscient being is proposed, nothing is ever again provable. 1 + 1 = 2 (even for large values of 1), unless that being decides, this time, for it to be 3.
This has always been the "get out of jail free" card. The dinosaurs died in the Flood, and the fossilization, earth layering, radionuclide dating, etc. were either placed by "God" to force us to have faith, rather than reason, or by the Adversary, to confuse us (permitted to do so why? is never answered "God works in mysterious ways.").
(Score: 2) by black6host on Thursday March 19 2020, @01:02AM
Unfortunately, many people are very much confused by such "teachings" many religions put forth. Sometimes folks just have to know, even if they can't. The unknown is too scary...
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:20AM (1 child)
God always wins:
He does something good, "Praise God!"
He does something shitty, "God works in mysterious ways"
He can't fecking lose!
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:48AM
Elon Musk is God! :P
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:46PM
Way to misrepresent the issue.
You are telling something like: if i claim an admin touched the machine @ 2PM, no logs can prove me wrong as asmin can fake em.
The real issue is different, the real issue is like:
"if the creation needs a creator, then who/what created god?"
parsing warning @ who/what, concept is undefined
dependency error @ created, "create" concept depends on "time" concept, "time" concept by definition not present in the domain of "god":
suggested action:
1- define time2 as a concept in the supernatural domain of the supernatural and explicitly postulate it
2- STFU about proofs in the domain of the supernatural
I really talked about this a lot, so feel free to google my comments or whatever. Suffice it to say, every time you talk about the supernatural in the context outside belief, you are committing a blatant mistake.
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(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:34PM
Let's have religion prove that it is not fake first.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @11:23PM
Hmmm... /Insert Nutjob Religion Here/
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @12:11AM
The team at Art Fraud Insights has now identified the main supplier as one Mohammed al-Jihadi of Baghdad, Iraq. "Fuck you, infidels", he stated when contacted for a quote.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Mojibake Tengu on Thursday March 19 2020, @12:45AM (3 children)
The War against Gnosticism is going on as usual.
Monotheists, be damned!
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:39AM (1 child)
i don't damn the monotheists, I just explain that I believe in one less God than they do.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:55PM
It's a funny thing to say, because even in the context of belief it manages to sound more wrong then whatever assertion by theists (induction and counting in the domain of the supernatural, booo). But OK it's your religion not mine.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Thursday March 19 2020, @03:02PM
The story of the scrolls is IIRC that they had recovered more than the fragments showed up later on, even without fakes. Now, the rest might have been destroyed because it contained different stuff from the bible, or because it contained the same stuff of some less official bible, or even because it contained exactly some parts of the bible, who knows.
It is also worrying that clay cuneiform tablets were basically dispersed, given away, with the gulf wars, instead of being treated like their worth suggests. Both ISIS and the allies did the same thing down there, destroying artifacts. Hmm.
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(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 19 2020, @01:05AM (12 children)
People want to believe, so they believe whatever pleases them. Some camel herd tells them, "I found some cool shit in a hole in the ground, you pay me sixteen goats and a virgin bride, I show you the hole in the ground!" So, the believers buy the first nubile slave girl, and the first 16 nubile goats they can find, then witness the "miracle" they need to see.
Not much different than politics, really. Socialism is really going to work out the next time!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 19 2020, @01:31AM (11 children)
You might be confused.
The actual Dead Sea scrolls are genuine relics from biblical times. These particular fragments were made especially to separate fools and their money.
Socialism is busy saving Capitalism's arse right at the moment.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 19 2020, @01:40AM (2 children)
More like neoconservatism and globalism have joined forces with socialism to destroy capitalism, don't you think?
Yes, the Dead Sea scrolls are genuine relics from biblical times. But, if you look around at all the religions, maybe starting with Scientology, I believe that you'll confirm my words: People want to believe, so they believe in whatever they choose. And, someone profits from most of that beleif.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 19 2020, @01:56AM (1 child)
No, I don't think that at all, but I would be interested in how you've come to that conclusion.
Oh, yes. Quite right. What people profess to believe never ceases to amaze me, also.
I'm guessing the Jehovah's Witnesses are creaming their pants in anticipation of Armageddon. It's 1975 all over again for them.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:13AM
Oh yes, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and/or Latter Day Saints, various baptist sects, fundies, and maybe some of those Holy Rollers . . . and that's just off the top of my head, staying within the Christian faith. All of the sects that based their religion on that magic number of 144,000 are trying to horn in on this stuff. And, the real kicker is, the 144,000 are Jewish, each and every time they are mentioned in the Holy Books. No Christians invited.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Gaaark on Thursday March 19 2020, @02:25AM (7 children)
What I like is how the 'scholars' pick and choose their scripture.
The book of David goes in the Bible because it agrees with what we want.
The book of Christ Infant portrays Jesus as an asshole, so NOPE...not going in there! NoSireee!
I think if one goes in, they should all go in. But that wouldn't be agreeable to Christians.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:42AM (4 children)
Which Bible is that? The one with 66 books? Or is it the one with 73? Or is it the one with 62? Or 78? Once they figure that out [wikipedia.org], then we can discuss whether this one in particular gets in too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @06:19AM (3 children)
Sir, I follow the One True Bible KJV 1611 the unerring word of God with ZERO inconsistencies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:08AM
Minus one inconsistencies.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:18AM
So, uhhhhhh, how many books are there in the KJV Bible? Do you know it off the top of your head, or did you have to Google it? Why is there a discrepancy between what some of the denominations teach? And, apparently, you don't count the new books, published by the people with magic underwear (Mormons)?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:19AM
So why did they have to name it after King James? - ah, yes, he had it rewritten to suit his own beliefs [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 4, Informative) by TheRaven on Thursday March 19 2020, @10:03AM (1 child)
sudo mod me up
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 19 2020, @10:13AM
'cos God is a snowflake who needs protecting?
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