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posted by martyb on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:21AM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the so-many-spinoffs-I'm-getting-dizzy dept.

CBS is launching a new Star Trek series, Strange New Worlds, which will be a TOS prequel set prior to Kirk assuming command of the Enterprise. As in season 2 of Discovery, the new series will feature Anson Mount as Captain Pike, Rebecca Romjin as Number One, and Ethan Peck as Spock. Discovery has been polarizing for Star Trek fans with many fans criticizing the writing of both Discovery and Picard, saying it deviated from the defining characteristics of Star Trek. Despite the criticisms, Mount's portrayal of Pike in Discovery was generally received well. The story for the pilot will be developed by Akiva Goldsman, Alex Kurtzman, and Jenny Lumet, the first two of which are executive producers of Discovery. Because filming of TV shows has generally been halted by COVID-19, it is not known when the series will film or premiere on CBS' streaming service.


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  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:05AM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:05AM (#994927)

    The same clowns that flushed the Star Trek spirit and charm down the tubes. Enjoy.

    • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:14AM (16 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:14AM (#994930)

      The real Trek:
          (1) Original Series, mostly because Kirk, plots and effects are thin back then - memories of watching it on 16mm as a kid
          (2) Next Generation - simply the very best
          (3) Voyager - also good
          (4) DS9 - on parr with Voyager
      and there it ends. All else is imitation and a poor photocopy.

      Like the real Star Wars ended with VI, or at best once Lucas was forced to bow to fan threats over JJB (who was to be THE Sith)... and now under Dismal(tm) it has fallen apart entirely.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:25AM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:25AM (#994941)

        Last year I watched Enterprise again on netflix. When it originally came out I though it was "Meh" (Cap wants to surf the universe sticking his nose in all kinds of places where it doesn't belong), but now, being also a bit older, there were also some good parts in the show... it just started in like the third season. Is it "Star Trek"? I don't know (what really defines it?), but I did enjoy it.

        • (Score: 2) by looorg on Saturday May 16 2020, @11:28AM (6 children)

          by looorg (578) on Saturday May 16 2020, @11:28AM (#994956)

          I kind liked the show, there was mainly two things I hated -- the intro with the singing that got cut after the first season or so and that the ending was so horrible. Beyond that it was fairly ok -- perhaps not as good as some of the others but still ok.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 16 2020, @11:56AM (5 children)

            You just ain't got faith of the heart is your problem. Seriously though, the annoying as all fuck song stayed in the intro through the entire four seasons.

            But, yeah, the show itself was fine. Not Kirk and Spock good and the multi-episode story arcs all over the place were somewhat annoying but it was still quite enjoyable.

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            • (Score: 2) by looorg on Saturday May 16 2020, @08:16PM (4 children)

              by looorg (578) on Saturday May 16 2020, @08:16PM (#995123)

              Clearly. I might be remembering wrong about when they dropped the lyrics, as I recall they did have some kind of instrumental piece for the last seasons or so at least. Which was a lot better then the singing one, could also be that there had never (?) been a singing soundtrack to any Star Trek show before -- not counting Kirk singing etc.

              That said the epic arc of the temporal war was interesting, or could have been but it sort of went nowhere and fell flat or wasn't developed really well. At least the Doctor and the Pilot (Trip?) were fun characters. T'pol was kinda shit since it was so clear that "we need a seven of nine"-character preferably somewhat hot to appeal to that demographic that still needs some kind of wank-fantasy in space.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @08:25PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @08:25PM (#995126)

                yah-y for mind-reading decease ... even getting rid of TV doesn't solve this ^_^

              • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:03PM

                by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:03PM (#995134) Homepage

                T'pol was fucking annoying, and yeah the wank-fantasy was also kind of annoying. Of course with Vulcans you have pon farr so there had to be a scene with that as well.

                If Trek is to have wankfests, then they should go all-out and feature a young Lwaxana Troi getting gangbanged by Klingons and Ferengi all at once, with male starfleet officers cheering in the background and throwing gold coins and other space-bucks at the orgy pile.

                Patrick Stewart can guest-star as the creepy old man watching the orgy, who says, "Now do ass-to-ass!" [fjcdn.com]

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @06:44AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @06:44AM (#995275)

                The instrumental version was used in all seasons for the closing credits.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday May 17 2020, @12:09PM

                Fired up an episode in the middle of the last season to check before I posted that. Vocals remain through the whole thing.

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        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @05:57AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @05:57AM (#995269)

          Basically it got a lot better when Manny Coto took over as showrunner. As much hate as Rick Berman got, I would happily take Berman Trek over anything with Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman. But just like TNG failed at trying to recreate TOS, Berman failed at trying to recreate TNG -- first in the Delta Quadrant, than 80 years before TOS. Even TNG wasn't quite as good in its final season. DS9 worked because it was still Star Trek but Ronald D. Moore and Ira Steven Behr weren't trying to do TNG on a space station. Berman did a lot of good things for Star Trek, so I don't want to criticize him too much. Unlike the current group of producers, Berman tried very hard to stick to Roddenberry's concept of Star Trek. Enterprise got a lot better starting with the third season because Coto brought some fresh ideas while still having the show feel like Star Trek.

          If Enterprise hadn't been cancelled, the remaining seasons probably would have been quite good. They were going to show more about how the Federation was created and Archer's role in that. They were laying the groundwork to show a war with the Romulans. And Jeffrey Combs was going to be upgraded to a main cast member in the fifth season. He was great, whether he was portrating Weyoun, Brunt, or Shran. Enterprise still felt like Star Trek, with an optimistic view of the future and a lack of internal drama between the crew. Much like TNG and DS9, Enterprise started with two rather unremarkable seasons. It was judged against the very high quality of the series before it and Star Trek had been running continuously for 18 years at that point. If Enterprise had premiered when Discovery did and aired on free TV, as it did on UPN, it probably would have run for seven or eight seasons.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:33AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:33AM (#994946)

        And depending on your view, some of the content in the later seasons of TNG. While you could pick and choose good episodes after that, there were a bunch of jumping the shark moments in both DS9 and Voyager, not counting the entire Q arc, or the 'Precursors' who showed up in that find the treasure arc which then got forgotten about in all later Trek episodes, despite TNG basically laying out that all humanoid looking species in the Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta quadrants were in fact interrelated by way of a precursor species who had died out.

        Between Star Trek, Star Wars, what has happened to modern computer hardware and software, and the current trends in both the US and abroad, I am not sure what is left to believe in or support anymore. Because it seems like it's all turned into shoveling our plates full of a heaping pile of shit and being told to like it.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:35AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:35AM (#994948)

          Those were actually quite good with the temporal war not having a major (any?) presence in them.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:08PM (3 children)

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:08PM (#995136) Homepage

          Voyager jumped the shark in its first episode. The only redeeming quality was the series finale, but you had to wait the entire series for a somewhat watchable episode. Voyager was Trek's first lesson about how not to do the "woman in charge" thing.

          Voyager would have kicked major ass if they had Commander Shelby from TNG promoted to captain and in charge of Voyager. She better-represented the spirit of the coffee-drinker and could be sassy and kickass without being annoying, unlike Janeway who gave off that "naggy mom" vibe.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:25PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:25PM (#995142)

            How about Captain Garrett of the Enterprise-C?

            She is destined to die a warrior's death in glorious battle.

            • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:03PM

              by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:03PM (#995155) Homepage

              Garrett was also pretty cool but due to the circumstances she couldn't be shown at her best. Through no fault of her own she had to give off vibes of being a despondent miserable aunt always drunk on wine and held together by benzodiazepines while fighting an uphill battle she knew she wouldn't win(so, basically Nancy Pelosi). She died an honorable death with purpose, though, you can't really say that about a lot of other Captains in the Trek franchise...or Nancy Pelosi.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @06:06AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @06:06AM (#995270)

            Janeway would have been much worse if the role hadn't been recast and given to Kate Mulgrew. See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIZcDWKyw0 [youtube.com]. Mulgrew did a pretty good job with a poorly-written character.

            I definitely would have enjoyed seeing Commander Shelby have a few more battles with the Borg. But Janeway could have been much, much worse.

      • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:43AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:43AM (#994950)

        After the disaster that was the Disney Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy nostalgia is through the roof. The cheesy dialogue and midichlorians can be forgiven because they are fun movies that still make more sense than the Disney trash.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @01:51PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @01:51PM (#994984)

      The animated Star Trek is even preferable to STD or Picard.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Saturday May 16 2020, @03:16PM (1 child)

      by bzipitidoo (4388) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 16 2020, @03:16PM (#995010) Journal

      The spirit of Star Trek is the spirit of science, of conquering irrational fears with cold, calm, logic. And, the thrill of exploration and discovery And the eschewing of violence and conquest, and the problems such activities tend to lead to. Klingons are that, and it just doesn't work that great, not for them. Romulans too, are flawed and get into trouble thereby. Star Trek hams it up mightily, but mostly in a fun way. They explore the physical plane. Real science has plenty of field trips, but on the whole is much more mental.

      However, aspects of Star Trek are becoming dated. The bridge in TOS has not aged well. Toggle switches for a user interface? LOL. The viewscreen, yes, spot on, great idea. Then, the whole idea of personally scouting a dangerous situation or place with people, and having the fabled redshirt death or two, is just silly. How do we explore Mars, today? With robots, not people. As the years go by, sending people to the Moon looks ever more obviously a mere publicity stunt. Now that too is primarily explored with robots. Doubtless 24th century robot and drone tech will be able to do a superb job. No need for a magical transporter device, robots could certainly be dropped down to a planetary surface easily enough with the methods used today, the parachutes and heat shields, the retro rockets, and even the giant inflatable bouncy ball method.

      Finally, the whole Faster Than Light travel and communication. While that's necessary for Star Trek, the show, to work, it's fantasy. Great that they employ a somewhat plausible propulsion method, warp drive. But it falls apart when you start considering how incredibly much energy it would take, and the "dilithium crystal" is, sigh, crystals. Crystal mumbo jumbo. But even if it was dilithium something-else, it's still "hand-wavium."

      But those are mere technical details, really. It's things like the Prime Directive, the spirit of camaraderie and willingness to help, rather than exploit, and the respect and veneration for science and discovery, the hopeful tone, that defines Star Trek. Someone said Kirk was the spirit of TOS? I disagree. Spock is the spirit of TOS, though not without constant questioning, particularly in the constant but friendly sparring Kirk and Spock engage in over the value of emotions.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday May 17 2020, @12:14PM

        You forgot the bit where the Federation are authoritarian douchebags. You can live in peace and harmony in their technotopia but only if you do so how they say you must. And even if you've no allegiance to their flag at all, they're more than happy to interfere with your shit.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Captival on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:59AM (5 children)

    by Captival (6866) on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:59AM (#994952)

    is the guy who fucked the Batman franchise with that godawful Batman and Robin.
    He also made A Time To Kill, "Nominated- Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Written Film Grossing Over $100 Million".
    Then once again: Transformers: The Last Knight - Nominated- Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Screenplay
    Then he just recently was responsible for the total bomb of Stephen King's Dark Tower last year.
    Is there no franchise this moron can't destroy, and why do they keep giving him all of them? It's not like he has a track record of great work in between all this shit and failure.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @12:39PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @12:39PM (#994965)

      Carrier-driven sociopaths are good at one thing only, and they excell at it: Keeping their job.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 16 2020, @03:28PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 16 2020, @03:28PM (#995014) Journal
        I believe the correct term is "carrier-piloted".
      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:25PM (1 child)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:25PM (#995143) Homepage

        Jewish Nepotism. And it doesn't even have to involve the upper-echelons, go to a Jewish bar during the daytime. It will be Jews watching trash shows like Comedians in Cars or Modern Family and actually laughing at the jokes and heaping endless praise on the "genius producers."

        Jewish producers have as much new material in movies and TV as I have new material here. The only difference is that my fans hold me to a standard rather than praising my most boring shitposts as being "fresh, genius works of art."

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @01:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @01:05PM (#995731)

          ... but you don't *have* fans

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @04:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @04:11PM (#995022)

      OMG, he's the Lennart Poettering of Hollywood!

  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 16 2020, @12:04PM

    Picard was great despite not being stand-alone episodic but Discovery can just eat a bag of dicks. And if Strange New Worlds is going to be the bastard spawn of Discovery, so can it.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday May 16 2020, @12:43PM (10 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Saturday May 16 2020, @12:43PM (#994966) Journal

    Hope it's good.

    Kinda wishing they'd remake B5, but kinda not. Love B5 and would love to see a GREAT remake, but what are the chances of that....

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @01:48PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @01:48PM (#994981)

      I also used to think/wish/hope they would remake B5, but I came to my senses years ago and no longer want that. Like most remakes today it would be changed so much that it would be just a shadow (no pun intended) of the original an another obvious and frivolous promotion of woke culture.
      B5 is perfect the way it is and I hope it gets left alone.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:27PM (3 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:27PM (#994995) Journal

        Yeah, leave B5 the hell alone. My wife and I bought the box set 20 years ago and recently watched it all again. The CGI has lost a little luster over the decades, but it's still serviceable and was amazing for the time. Also, it was the first major series I can remember that had a story arc. Star Trek then was all purely episodic with no connection between episodes. And the scenes between Garibaldi and G'Kar or those between G'Kar and Mollari are timeless. The lines from Zathras were so awesome they entered our family lexicon: "Zathras used to being beast of burden. Zathras have sad life, probably have sad death, but at least there is symmetry" (muttered in exasperation whenever one of us asks the other to do something he doesn't particularly want to do)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:28PM (#995092)

          B5, previously known as TNT Boyz and Audio, is an American R&B music group originating from St. Petersburg, Florida, United States, which later relocated to Atlanta, Georgia. The group consists of the five Breeding family brothers, Dustin Michael (b. October 8, 1986), Kelly Allen (b. February 27, 1988), Patrick Owen (b. September 19, 1990), Carnell Frederick (b. Hunnicutt, November 30, 1991), and Bryan Jesse (b. October 14, 1993). They were formerly known as the TNT Boyz featuring only the four eldest brothers, but renamed themselves B5 when Bryan, the youngest brother, joined the group. From late 2009 to early 2010, they renamed themselves Audio and then returned to the name B5 on May 30, 2012. Bryan and Patrick left the group, leaving Dustin, Kelly, and Carnell to rename themselves Men in Black(MIB). After Dustin and Carnell had their own kids, they dropped out of the group leaving Kelly as a rapper and Dustin a soloist, while Carnell stopped making music to devote his time to his family.

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:05AM (1 child)

          by Gaaark (41) on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:05AM (#995195) Journal

          I know...what J. Michael Straczynski could have done with it now, though. But then again it would be different...

          So good, but wish for more, like Firefly: would love to see more or a remake but it would be different and probably worse.....

          ....it's like the original Doctor Who First Doctor episodes: would love to see remade, but no...

          The only way I'd want to see a B5 remake would be if J. Michael was FULLY in charge...but could you really replace Peter Jurassic (not dead...just old).....or G'Kar!!!
          LOVE the way Mollari emphasizes every word like it's a meal to enjoy, lol.

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          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:25PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:25PM (#995348) Journal

            Me, too, Gaaark, but I suspect we (or those like us) have to be the ones to write it. There is not much appetite for good storytelling in the entertainment industry anymore, because they have been overwhelmed by the conviction that they need to teach the rest of us a lesson of some kind.

            Firefly and Serenity were particularly tragic because they were from a worthy universe that could have thrived if only the show creators hadn't chosen names that sound like feminine hygiene products. I once read a science fiction short story (maybe by Heinlein?) wherein two time travelers rescued Hemingway from his ignominous end to die more nobly on Mt. Kilimanjaro; Firefly would benefit from a similar intervention.

            Alas, Zathras tell Zathras, but Zathras no listen...

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Saturday May 16 2020, @03:05PM (4 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Saturday May 16 2020, @03:05PM (#995006)

        I also used to think/wish/hope they would remake B5, but I came to my senses years ago and no longer want that. Like most remakes today it would be changed so much that it would be just a shadow (no pun intended) of the original an another obvious and frivolous promotion of woke culture.

        The original Babylon 5 was quite intentionally an obvious promotion of what is now being called "woke" culture:
        - Major characters who aren't white (Dr Franklin, Dr Kyle before him), and lots of other not-white protagonists.
        - Major characters who aren't male (Ivonova, Delenn, Lyta, Talia, Na'toth), often in roles that aren't anything resembling so-called "traditional" femininity.
        - Major characters who aren't completely straight (Ivonova and Talia), even if it's more implied than shown. Gay marriage is depicted as legal and normal (Franklin and Marcus on Mars, allegedly on their honeymoon).
        - All kinds of religions and cultures are depicted, generally sympathetically. Sometimes a bit more subtly, e.g. people's names in a funeral scene.
        - All kinds of rhetoric and plot points about how human's diversity and community-building are their main strength.
        - Pretty much all of the human villains are white guys (Clark, Bester, Edgars).
        - One of the major alien cultures, the Centauri, are a pretty clear stand-in for European colonial powers, and they are not depicted as the good guys by any means.
        - JMS, a guy of Jewish descent, not only had a major Jewish character (Ivonova, again), but made specific references to persecution of Jews, e.g. G'Kar explicitly comparing the occupation of Narn to the Holocaust.

        If you didn't get that, you weren't paying attention to what any of the characters were saying or why they were doing what they were doing.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:31PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:31PM (#995094)

          > - Pretty much all of the human villains are white guys with English accents

          FTFY

        • (Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday May 17 2020, @07:07AM

          by The Vocal Minority (2765) on Sunday May 17 2020, @07:07AM (#995276) Journal

          I don't think the OP means the same thing as you do when you speak about "woke culture".

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:32PM (1 child)

          by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:32PM (#995351) Journal

          Those are a bunch of really good points, but I think in that there is a larger lesson. Babylon 5 did have those elements, but it wasn't about those elements. The purpose of the story was not to rub the audience's nose in how bigoted and backward they were. In other words, it was good science fiction that imagined how different a future society could be, not a screed about how much everybody now sucks. As such, it was not "Woke" at all.

          That is the difference that modern writers and producers don't get. What Babylon 5 (and many other shows, of course) did was storytelling, what modern writers and producers do is scolding. (and somehow it's a mystery to them why audiences are walking away)

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          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday May 18 2020, @10:21PM

            by Thexalon (636) on Monday May 18 2020, @10:21PM (#996049)

            The purpose of the story was not to rub the audience's nose in how bigoted and backward they were. In other words, it was good science fiction that imagined how different a future society could be, not a screed about how much everybody now sucks.

            ... except for the whole bit where one of the characters gets recruited into a totalitarian regime, which many audience members might have fallen for. Or the many issues they had with anti-alien bigots who were basically no different from current racist bigots.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:39PM (1 child)

    by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:39PM (#994997) Journal

    A better investment in new Star Trek series would be to fund the people who produced the fan episodes [youtube.com] a few years back. They were pitch perfect.

    That's the Trek I'd like to see.

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    Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:19PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:19PM (#995089)

      If SNW is done in a similar manner to Continues, it could be quite good. They were filling the gap between Turnabout Intruder and The Motion Picture, so there were well-defined starting and ending points from canon. This is similar, with the starting point being shortly after The Cage and the ending point shown in The Menagerie. Provided they don't go too crazy trying to fill the gap with new ideas that aren't from canon, there is an opportunity for a good show.

      TOS Klingons were intended to represent the Soviet Union and, in this series, could similarly represent China now. There could certainly be some interesting stories and some longer story arcs about the rising tensions between the Klingon Empire and the Federation.

      Enterprise was providing some backstory prior to the war between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire, first with the cloaked mine field and the bird of prey, then with the drone ships. SNW could do something similar to Enterprise, possibly to explain why a Bird of Prey was sent to attack the Federation outposts in Balance of Terror. As with the drone ships in Enterprise, the characters can't be aware if they're encountering Romulans, but the audience could be aware. Perhaps there could be Romulan spies infiltrating the Federation, which might explain Stiles' paranoia about Spock being a Romulan spy.

      If they stick to stories that could plausibly be part of canon, the series could be quite good. The problem is that Kurtzman and Goldsman seem unlikely to stick to canon. A year or so ago when there were petitions for a Pike series, it was reported that Anson Mount was interested, but only if he had some creative control. If this actually happens and it takes away control from Kurtzman and Goldsman, perhaps we'll get something that is a bit more recognizable as Star Trek.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @04:13PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @04:13PM (#995024)

    No? Then they can go eff themselves.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @05:28PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @05:28PM (#995057)

    Bull Dyke

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by aim on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:05PM (1 child)

    by aim (6322) on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:05PM (#995104)

    If you want "new Trek", and haven't had a look at The Orville yet, then go check it out. The first episodes were still deep in comedy, but they quickly turned it into a decent SciFi series, very much in the line of Star Trek, with many ex-Star Trek people starring. Frankly, it is much more Star Trek than Discovery, even if they don't bear the name.

    That said, I'd love for some more modern things to come out. For recent TV series, I love The Expanse and Altered Carbon, The Man in the High Castle wasn't bad either. I'd love to see movies based off Iain M. Bank's Culture series, Peter F. Hamilton's Confederation series, something from Alastair Reynolds. Or going back much earlier, Larry Niven's Ringworld series or the Moties. There's many hard scifi authors that would merit getting their stories filmed properly.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Kalas on Sunday May 17 2020, @05:06AM

      by Kalas (4247) on Sunday May 17 2020, @05:06AM (#995258)

      I haven't finished season 2 yet but I wholeheartedly agree with this. "It's more Trek than Discovery" is exactly how I sold it to people when S1 was airing. For several episodes they were clearly trying to find the balance between comedic parody and serious homage but it's still a better showing than TNG gave us in its first season.
      I'm also pleasantly surprised that I'm not alone in loving Peter Hamilton's works. The Reality Dysfunction books were my intro to space opera if you don't count anything Dune. By God that was a hell of an adventure. It wasn't until just now writing about it, having read it thrice already, that I realize the reality dysfunction is humanity's encounter with the Great Filter. The filter here not being a technology or evolutionary hurdle as commonly imagined, but instead the knowledge that human souls and afterlives for sure exist and the unfortunate way humans had to learn about it.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:43PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:43PM (#995166)

    I have no faith in this series because I think the current producers and directors don't understand Star Trek. There may be individually good episodes, but the series as a whole is almost certain to flop.

    In light of Discovery and Piccard, I've recently developed a theory that Star Trek is "bad" science fiction (note the quotes). To be clear Star Trek is excellent science fiction, but when popular culture think of science fiction now-a-days they think dark, gritty, internal bickering over limited resources, etc. They want Bladerunner, Babylon, Neuromancer, and similar.

    Which is fine for those who like it. And it's easier to write (writing an internal team fight is easy drama... how boring is it when the crew all get along with each other?).

    The problem is that Star Trek is semi-unique (maybe even literally unique?) in that it is a bright, optimistic world. Even DS9, which is "darker and grittier," they were still good people trying to do good things in trying times.

    The current rights-holders want the "hard men doing hard things" dystopic world falling apart world (e.g. in Picard, see the Romulan refugee settlement's dilapidated state, or the woman living in a trailer, and all the bickering and swearing). That's fine for those who like that, but that's not Star Trek. If the want to make "Babylon 6," then should "Neuromancerer Harder," they should just do it and not attach it to the expectations and baggage of Star Trek.

    And until the directors, producers, and writers prove they understand Star Trek is meant to be an optimistic vision of humanity (not necessarily perfect, but at least optimistic), they will continue to fail.

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