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posted by martyb on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:31AM   Printer-friendly
from the hidden-in-"plane"-sight dept.

Lidar helps uncover an ancient, kilometer-long Mayan structure – TechCrunch:

Lidar is fast becoming one of the most influential tools in archaeology, revealing things in a few hours what might have taken months of machete wielding and manual measurements otherwise. The latest such discovery is an enormous Mayan structure, more than a kilometer long, 3,000 years old, and seemingly used for astronomical observations.

Takeshi Inomata of the University of Arizona is the lead author of the paper describing the monumental artificial plateau, published in the journal Nature. This unprecedented structure — by far the largest and oldest of its type — may remind you of another such discovery, the "Mayan megalopolis" found in Guatemala two years ago.

[...] Such huge structures, groups of foundations, and other evidence of human activity may strike you as obvious. But when you're on the ground they're not nearly as obvious as you'd think — usually because they're covered by both a canopy of trees and thick undergrowth.

"I have spent thousands of hours of fieldwork walking behind a local machete-wielding man who would cut straight lines through the forest," wrote anthropologist Patricia McAnany, who was not involved in the research, for an commentary that also appeared in Nature. "This time-consuming process has required years, often decades, of fieldwork to map a large ancient Maya city such as Tikal in Guatemala and Caracol in Belize."

[...] What emerged was an enormous ceremonial center now called Aguada Fénix, the largest feature of which is an artificial plateau more than 10 meters tall and 1.4 kilometers in length. It is theorized that these huge plateaus, of which Aguada Fénix is the oldest and largest, were used to track the movement of the sun through the seasons and perform various rites.

Journal Reference:
Takeshi Inomata, Daniela Triadan, Verónica A. Vázquez López, et al. Monumental architecture at Aguada F├⌐nix and the rise of Maya civilization, Nature (DOI: 10.1038/s41586-020-2343-4)


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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:43AM (4 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:43AM (#1004390) Journal

    Maybe humans migrated from North America to Europe?

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:24AM (3 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:24AM (#1004403)

      Hey! That explains why they speak Spanish in Spain!

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:03AM (2 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:03AM (#1004415) Journal

        And we all know where chocolate really comes from...

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        • (Score: 3, Touché) by captain normal on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:15AM (1 child)

          by captain normal (2205) on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:15AM (#1004421)

          You two have been watching way too much Ancient Aliens on the "Used to Be History Channel".

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          • (Score: 1) by DECbot on Sunday June 07 2020, @06:40PM

            by DECbot (832) on Sunday June 07 2020, @06:40PM (#1004578) Journal

            What other reasons would the Mayans have a railgun? Ritual sacrifice? They weren't Aztecs.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:26AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:26AM (#1004424)

    How does this "discovery" of an ancient Mayan building affect anyone at all? Why would anyone at all care about this?

    Now, I know, my comment will be censored to -1 to avoid answering this simple question. But why are we paying for "research" like this when there are far more important problems to be solved like the COVID-19 pandemic and climate change? How does a building used for determining when ancient people performed their batshit crazy religious ceremonies affect anyone in the present day?

    I think we all know the answer to this question. There is absolutely no value to this research. However, instead of admitting this, my comment will be censored to -1 to avoid the question.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:36AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:36AM (#1004450)

      I think we all know the answer to this question. There is absolutely no value to this research. However, instead of admitting this, my comment will be censored to -1 to avoid the question.

      There is no value *to you*. Which is much different than no value at all.

      What's more, you haven't been *censored* at all. If you had been, I wouldn't be able to see your idiotic comment and reply to it.

      I will likely also be downmodded as '-1 offtopic' too. However, that's because your comment and mine are not germane to the topic at hand. And I won't whinge like a little bitch about it like you do.
      Your comment is much like the one from apk below, not germane to the topic and gratuitously obnoxious.

      If you're not interested in archaeology, don't read/post in archaeology discussions.

      If there's stuff you'd rather discuss, submit an article. In fact, in the time you took to complain about this, you could have submitted an article that actually interests you. A crazy thought, I know.

      As for the general topic of history/archaeology, Eugen Weber had it right [youtube.com]:

      ...we are going back to the old country. We are going back to where many our ancestors came from. To see where their stories came from, and their memories and their habits, and the way they are, which has made us the way we are.

      This is what history is about. Where we come from. What lies behind the way we live and act and think. How our institutions, our religions, our laws were made.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:26PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:26PM (#1004613)

        Thanks for the measured and useful response. Hopefully the good actor, non-troll ACs pay attention to the ideas you list. It'd make for better conversations here.

        But yeah, thanks - not just for the info you provided, but also for how you phrased it. Gentle, chiding, but not mean or demeaning. Not argumentative or escalating, and offering real options for positions that you don't hold. Very intellectually honest, and very appreciated.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:28PM (#1004653)

          Don't encourage this sort of behavior! We have a reputation to maintain!

    • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:15PM

      by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:15PM (#1004514)

      Now, I know, my comment will be censored to -1 to avoid answering this simple question. But why are we paying for "research" like this when there are far more important problems to be solved like the COVID-19 pandemic and climate change?

      I doubt an archeologist would be much help solving COVID-19 nor climate change.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:39AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:39AM (#1004430)

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    So much for your usual lies barb and useless online troll chatterbox you has never done better work and I fairly challenged you to show you did. You have not.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @12:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @12:14PM (#1004475)

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:30PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:30PM (#1004655)

      Someone is asking for a Spam mod. Please oblige, if you be able.

  • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Sunday June 07 2020, @10:09AM

    by inertnet (4071) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 07 2020, @10:09AM (#1004456) Journal

    I would have liked to see the Lidar pictures, but:

    uMatrix has prevented the following page from loading:

    https: // guce.advertising.com/collectIdentifierssessionId=3_cc-session_1c etc etc.

    And the Nature site:

    Rent or Buy article
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  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:11AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:11AM (#1004466)

    >> "I have spent thousands of hours of fieldwork walking behind a local machete-wielding man who would cut straight lines through the forest," wrote anthropologist Patricia McAnany.

    Why didn't she hire a machete-wielding woman, transvestite, or one of the 92 other genders?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @07:12PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @07:12PM (#1004590)

      They probably don't make those in rural Guatemala.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:36PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:36PM (#1004617)

      1) Naming past workers "men", who presented as men, isn't being sexist any more than calling Winston Churchill a man is sexist. These aren't hypothetical workers, but concrete people the author interacted with in the past. If there had been women among them, the author could (should!) have said so. Not saying so implies basically nothing about anything except who this person was able to find to hire to cut paths.

      2) if you think that transvestite is a gender, you're alone in that. Did you mean transsexual? If so, transsexual is also not a gender, and there's no way to know if a man swinging a machete in front of me is trans or cis, unless we take a piss together, or get more intimate.

      IDK why you thought it was a good idea to post that. Your mind is not clear. You should sit down, shut up, and read or listen or otherwise research, instead of trying to participate in this conversation. You're like the 3yo who tries to help cook, sees bits going into the compost, and throws the diced veg into the compost. It's awkward to watch and wastes time and resources.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:23PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @11:23PM (#1004651)

      They tried hiring some blind guy but it just didn't work out.

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