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posted by martyb on Tuesday June 30 2020, @10:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the this-does-not-look-good dept.

India bans TikTok, WeChat and dozens more Chinese apps

India's government has banned TikTok and dozens more Chinese-made apps it says are a danger to the country. In a statement, it said the apps were "prejudicial to sovereignty and integrity of India, defence of India, security of state and public order". In total, 59 different apps were banned - including popular messaging app WeChat.

It follows weeks of escalating tensions along the disputed border between the two countries. Both India and China deployed more troops to the Ladakh region in June, and minor clashes have left at least 20 Indian troops dead. Satellite images also appear to show that China has built new structures overlooking the Himalayan border region.

India's Ministry of Information Technology said it was banning the 59 Chinese apps after receiving "many complaints from various sources" about apps that were "stealing and surreptitiously transmitting users' data in an unauthorised manner".

TikTok and WeChat.

Also at CNBC and The Hill.

Previously: Bytedance: The World's Most Valuable Startup
Lawmakers Ask US Intelligence to Assess If TikTok is a Security Threat

Related: Indian Government Orders ISPs to Block 857 Porn Websites
China is Ramping up its Media Abroad – and Not Just in Chinese
Indian Court Orders YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter to Block "Defamatory" Video Worldwide


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Indian Government Orders ISPs to Block 857 Porn Websites 30 comments

The Indian government has ordered a large number of porn websites to be blocked, creating an uproar among users and civil rights groups in the country. The Department of Telecommunications has issued orders for the blocking of 857 websites serving pornography, said two persons familiar with the matter, who declined to be named.

Section 69 (A) of India’s Information Technology Act allows the government to order blocking of public access to websites and other information through computer resources, though this section appears to be designed to be invoked when a threat is perceived to the sovereignty and integrity of India, security of the state, friendly relations with foreign states or public order.

“The government cannot on its own block private access to pornography under current statutes,” said Pranesh Prakash, policy director of the Centre for Internet and Society in Bangalore. “Parliament has not authorized the government to ban porn on its own... However, courts have in the past ordered specific websites to be blocked for specific offences such as defamation, though as far as I know not for obscenity,” Prakash added. Viewing pornography privately is not a crime in the country, though its sale and distribution is an offense.

Some porn websites were still accessible through certain Internet service providers on Monday, as some ISPs took some time to implement the order. “All the 857 websites will be blocked by all ISPs today,” said a source in the ISP industry, who requested anonymity. “As licensees we have to follow the orders.” The government could not be immediately reached for comment.

Reports of the blocks created a furore among Internet users in the country, who criticized the move on Reddit, Twitter and other social media.


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Bytedance: The World's Most Valuable Startup 6 comments

TikTok owner Bytedance is now the world's most valuable startup

A new $3 billion round of investment led by SoftBank has crowned China's Bytedance the world's most valuable startup, Bloomberg reports. Bytedance, the owner of popular karaoke video app TikTok and huge Chinese news aggregator Toutiao, is now valued at $75 billion, which takes it past Uber's most recent figure of $72 billion.

Uber is reported to be considering an IPO for next year that would value it at $120 billion, but for now Bytedance is on top, which is a huge achievement for a company that until recently had very little presence outside China. TikTok, which was acquired as Musical.ly and merged into Bytedance's own Douyin service as TikTok, is a major sensation among teens in the West, and has apparently already achieved the social media rite of passage of having Facebook attempt to clone it.

ByteDance. Tik Tok?


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China is Ramping up its Media Abroad – and Not Just in Chinese 37 comments

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2019/0703/China-is-ramping-up-its-media-abroad-and-not-just-in-Chinese

The campaign involves not just promoting pro-Beijing information, but discouraging negative reports. Censorship extends into social media, and is strengthened by Chinese platforms' suppression of content that authorities deem negative. For example, some U.S. citizens have recently had messages or entire accounts censored on the popular Chinese messaging app WeChat, owned by the firm Tencent.

"It's quite shocking to me that China's Great Firewall is coming to the U.S. in digital form," says George Shen, a technology consultant from Newton, Mass., who had his WeChat accounts banned last month. "It's a very stealthy, sophisticated censorship. ... They are filtering out your messages without even telling you," he says.

Bankrolled with billions of dollars of government funds, the strategy goes beyond establishing Chinese media entities abroad, to leasing or purchasing foreign news outlets and hiring foreign reporters. This tactic, known as "borrowing a boat to go out on the ocean" – or buying a boat, as the case may be – is aimed at offering a cloak of credibility.

Even as China expands its channels to American audiences, it is increasing restrictions on U.S. media in China. Last month, Chinese authorities blocked several more U.S. media outlets from the internet in China, including the websites of The Washington Post, The Christian Science Monitor, and NBC News.


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Lawmakers Ask US Intelligence to Assess If TikTok is a Security Threat 13 comments

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Lawmakers ask US intelligence to assess if TikTok is a security threat – TechCrunch

Two lawmakers have asked the government’s most senior U.S. intelligence official to assess if video-sharing app TikTok could pose “national security risks” to the United States.

In a letter by Sens. Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Tom Cotton (R-AR), the lawmakers asked the acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire if the app maker could be compelled to turn Americans’ data over to the Chinese authorities.

TikTok has some 110 million downloads to date and has spiked in popularity for its ability to record short, snappy videos that are sharable across social media networks. But the lawmakers say because TikTok is owned by a Beijing-based company, it could be compelled by the Chinese government to turn over user data — such as location data, cookies, metadata and more — even if it’s stored on servers it owns in the United States.

Both Schumer and Cotton warn that TikTok’s parent company, ByteDance, is “still required to adhere” to Chinese law.

“Security experts have voiced concerns that China’s vague patchwork of intelligence, national security, and cybersecurity laws compel Chinese companies to support and cooperate with intelligence work controlled by the Chinese Communist Party,” the letter, dated Wednesday, said. “Without an independent judiciary to review requests made by the Chinese government for data or other actions, there is no legal mechanism for Chinese companies to appeal if they disagree with a request.”

That same legal principle works both ways. U.S. companies have been shut out, or had their access limited, in some nation states — including China — over fears that they could be compelled to spy on behalf of the U.S. government.

See also: TikTok explains its ban on political advertising


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Indian Court Orders YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter to Block “Defamatory” Video Worldwide 34 comments

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Indian court orders YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter to block "defamatory" video worldwide

When the European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled that European courts can order Facebook to takedown content globally, if it's deemed to be illegal in Europe, Facebook warned that the ruling "undermines the long-standing principle that one country does not have the right to impose its laws on another country." Now Facebook's warning is manifesting outside of Europe with an Indian court recently ruling that YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter must block a video globally because it's deemed to be "defamatory" by the court.


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President Trump Threatens TikTok Ban, Microsoft Considers Buying TikTok's U.S. Operations[Updated 2] 80 comments

[20200803_012617 UTC UTC Update 2:]

tl;dr version: Trump threatened to ban TikTok. Then Microsoft said it was in talks to buy TikTok. Then Microsoft said the talks were in doubt after Trump's threats. Now, Microsoft is "continuing discussions."

Microsoft to continue discussions on TikTok purchase after talking to Donald Trump:

After reports US President Donald Trump is considering an order to force Beijing-based tech company ByteDance to divest ownership of popular social-video app TikTok, Microsoft has announced it will be "continuing discussion" on a potential purchase of TikTok after a conversation between Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and the President.

"Microsoft fully appreciates the importance of addressing the President's concerns," said Microsoft, in a statement. "It is committed to acquiring TikTok subject to a complete security review and providing proper economic benefits to the United States, including the United States Treasury.

[20200802_144217 UTC Update 1; added:]

Microsoft pauses talks on TikTok US deal - reports:

A possible sale of Chinese-owned TikTok's US operations to Microsoft is reportedly on hold after Donald Trump vowed to ban the video-sharing app.

A sale was thought close to agreement, but was put in doubt after the US president's warning on Friday.

The Wall Street Journal said Microsoft had now paused talks despite TikTok owner ByteDance making last ditch efforts to win White House support.

It comes amid criticism of Mr Trump's threat as an attack on free speech.

[...] Late on Friday, Mr Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One: "As far as TikTok is concerned we're banning them from the United States."

[Original story follows.--martyb]

TikTok: Trump says he will ban Chinese video app in the US

President Donald Trump has announced he is banning the Chinese-owned video-sharing app TikTok in the US.

He told reporters he could sign an executive order as early as Saturday.

US security officials have expressed concern that the app, owned by Chinese firm ByteDance, could be used to collect the personal data of Americans.

[...] Microsoft has reportedly been in talks to buy the app from ByteDance, but Mr Trump appeared to cast doubt that such a deal would be allowed to go through. If the deal went ahead reports say it would involve ByteDance shedding TikTok's US operations.

TikTok: Trump Will Prohibit Transactions with Bytedance Beginning September 20 127 comments

From The Verge:

President Trump has signed a new executive order which will block all transactions with Bytedance, TikTok's parent corporation, in an effort to "address the national emergency with respect to the information and communication technology supply chain."

The move comes after months of escalating tensions, which saw Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and others at the White House warn that TikTok presented a national security threat because of its Chinese ownership. Microsoft is currently in talks to acquire portions of the app, aimed to be complete by September 15th.

A parallel order banned transactions with WeChat, a popular texting app in China that maintains a small user base in the US.

[...] The executive branch has the power to levy sanctions against individuals and corporations by placing them on the "entity list," as the US did against Huawei and ZTE last year. But such sanctions are typically put in place by the Commerce Department rather than the White House, and subject to a specific rule-making procedure that seems to have been short-circuited by the surprise executive order.

See also: Tencent stock plummets after Trump announces plan to ban WeChat in the US

Previously:
(2020-08-01) President Trump Threatens TikTok Ban, Microsoft Considers Buying TikTok's U.S. Operations[Updated 2]
(2020-07-07) Reddit and LinkedIn Stop Copying iPhone Clipboard Contents
(2020-06-30) India Bans TikTok, WeChat, and Other Chinese-Owned Apps
(2020-06-28) TikTok and 53 Other iOS Apps Still Snoop Your Sensitive Clipboard Data
(2019-12-27) Investigation Claims United Arab Emirates Uses The ToTok App To Spy
(2019-10-26) Lawmakers Ask US Intelligence to Assess If TikTok is a Security Threat


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TikTok Plans to Sue the Trump Administration Over Ban 51 comments

TikTok plans to sue Trump administration over US ban

TikTok plans to sue the Trump administration over its executive order banning transactions between U.S. companies and the popular video-sharing app as well as its Chinese parent company, ByteDance.

"Even though we strongly disagree with the Administration's concerns, for nearly a year we have sought to engage in good faith to provide a constructive solution," a TikTok spokesperson told The Hill. "What we encountered instead was a lack of due process as the Administration paid no attention to facts and tried to insert itself into negotiations between private businesses," the spokesperson continued. "To ensure that the rule of law is not discarded and that our company and users are treated fairly, we have no choice but to challenge the Executive Order through the judicial system," the spokesperson added.

Also at NYT and Business Insider.

Previously: Bytedance: The World's Most Valuable Startup
Lawmakers Ask US Intelligence to Assess If TikTok is a Security Threat
TikTok and 53 Other iOS Apps Still Snoop Your Sensitive Clipboard Data
India Bans TikTok, WeChat, and Other Chinese-Owned Apps
President Trump Threatens TikTok Ban, Microsoft Considers Buying TikTok's U.S. Operations[Updated 2]
TikTok: Trump Will Prohibit Transactions with Bytedance Beginning September 20


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US Will Ban WeChat and TikTok Downloads on Sunday 52 comments

US will ban WeChat and TikTok downloads on Sunday

The Commerce Department plans to restrict access to TikTok and WeChat on Sunday as the Trump administration's executive orders against the two apps are set to take effect.

The Department said Friday that as of Sunday, any moves to distribute or maintain WeChat or TikTok on an app store will be prohibited. Apple and Google didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

While users who have already downloaded the apps may be able to continue using the software, the restrictions mean updated versions of the apps cannot be downloaded.

The restrictions targeting WeChat are more extensive. Beginning Sunday, it will be illegal to host or transfer internet traffic associated with WeChat, the Department said in a release. The same will be true for TikTok as of Nov. 12, it said. (The Trump administration is currently weighing a proposal involving ByteDance, TikTok's Chinese parent, and Oracle, designed to resolve the administration's national security concerns related to TikTok; the deadline for a deal is Nov. 12.)

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by quietus on Tuesday June 30 2020, @11:52AM (10 children)

    by quietus (6328) on Tuesday June 30 2020, @11:52AM (#1014451) Journal

    The 'escalating border tensions' i.e. beating each other to death with fisticuffs and sticks started a week after India abandoned the RCEP free trade initiative. RCEP would have created a free trade zone [indiatimes.com] across the whole of South-East Asia. Money quote from the linked article:

    “RCEP is nothing but a bilateral trade pact with China. India will lose, China will gain,” says Vinod Sharma, MD of Deki Electronics, which imports raw material from China. “Once the pact is enforced, India will give more market access to China and our trade deficit will increase further."

    India's trade deficit has given sleepless nights to many. In 2017-18, India exported goods worth $13.1 billion to China and imported goods worth $73.3 billion -creating a trade deficit of $63.1 billion. India has trade deficits with other RCEP nations, too, such as South Korea ($11.9 billion) and Australia ($10.2 billion).

    But China's trade muscle gives India Inc the jitters. Beijing has manipulated laws to give subsidies to its domestic manufacturers, despite being a member of the World Trade Organization for 18 years, say Indian manufacturers. The global trade body has a strict anti subsidy stance.

    RCEP will, India Inc representatives say, remove customs duty on about 80-85% of items. "The result will be that Chinese goods will flood the Indian market even more," adds Sharma, who also heads an electronics export promotion panel in the Confederation of Indian Industry.

    In case you do not fully comprehend what is stated here: if people in Europe and the United States have to fear job losses due to China's expanding economic clout -- imagine what the rise of China means to the countries in their neighborhood. Whatever chance they have of building a modern economy is destroyed by the relentless export-oriented production in China.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @01:45PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @01:45PM (#1014491)

      De-globalization is a stop-gap response to late capitalism, it helps for a while, until the multi-purpose robots arrive

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @02:06PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @02:06PM (#1014500)

        I'd be fairly content with single-purpose robots.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 30 2020, @02:39PM (2 children)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday June 30 2020, @02:39PM (#1014503) Journal

          Multi-purpose can be cheaper which might speed up adoption. Compare one generic, mass-produced robot that is capable of performing 100 different tasks vs. one specialized robot per task. That would also allow customers to retrain and repurpose them as needed, and possibly use them for something even after they are outdated or damaged.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_(robot) [wikipedia.org]

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @03:53PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @03:53PM (#1014545)

          > I'd be fairly content with single-purpose robots.

          One track mind...

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @07:25PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @07:25PM (#1014655)

      Whatever chance they have of building a modern economy is destroyed by the relentless export-oriented production in China.

      Nah, India has themselves and the good old British Empire to blame for the messes they're in.

      For example, about 50% of Samsung phones are made in Vietnam. Despite that relentless export-oriented China...

      Meanwhile many in the western world (and elsewhere) have plenty of horror stories about outsourcing to India. There are horror stories about outsourcing to China too but seems like it works better with China than India. e.g. the Chinese bunch are more likely to have some vague idea of what they're doing whether they're cheating you or not... Whereas the Indians in India will nod their heads, say yes and be mostly clueless (most of those with a clue have left India - gone to Singapore, USA and so on).

      • (Score: 2) by quietus on Wednesday July 01 2020, @08:39AM

        by quietus (6328) on Wednesday July 01 2020, @08:39AM (#1014914) Journal

        I was intrigued by your Samsung phones comment -- so I checked it out.

        Samsung actually shut down its last remaining smartphone factory in China this year. As of 2019, the company is not making any phones in the People’s Republic. It previously had two factories in China but as Samsung’s market share fell below 1% in the country, it had to scale back production. It no longer makes financial sense for Samsung to manufacture phones in China. Which is why it has now stopped doing that.

        Vietnam actually produces about 120 million Samsung phones per year in Thai Nguyen province. Most of Samsung’s global supply, including for markets like North America and Europe, comes from Vietnam.Now, India ...

        India not only has Samsung’s biggest mobile factory, but it’s also the largest mobile phone manufacturing unit in the world based on production capacity. Samsung had announced in 2017 that it would invest $620 million to double smartphone production in India. It inaugurated the factory in Noida, Uttar Pradesh, India in 2018. The production capacity of this factory is now at 120 million units per year.

        Much of the supply is meant for the Indian market. It is one of the most lucrative smartphone markets for Samsung. Given the import taxes in the country, Samsung needs local production in order to effectively compete against its rivals on price. The company has been manufacturing its Galaxy M and Galaxy A series handsets here as well. However, Samsung may also export Indian-manufactured smartphones to markets in Europe, Africa and West Asia.

        (source [sammobile.com])

        Rather a different view than your 'China smart, India dumb' stereotype.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 30 2020, @09:18PM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 30 2020, @09:18PM (#1014707) Journal
      India has cheaper labor and a larger English-speaking population. They should be doing quite well against China. I think the real problem is that India is ignoring important stuff like relentless export-oriented production. Instead the same clowns, who demonetized large currency bills and passed the Citizenship Amendment Act, are behind the latest showboating.

      India will continue to lag China because they continue to ignore what is important.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 01 2020, @12:15PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 01 2020, @12:15PM (#1014965)

        They will lag behind because their government has to follow it's people. Dictators are simply more reliable, which is why the USA spends large amount of resources in installing them in unfriendly places.

        If India didn't have democracy idiots like you would have your organs harvested when landing in China and we would be spared of your drivel.

  • (Score: 2) by Lester on Tuesday June 30 2020, @01:04PM (3 children)

    by Lester (6231) on Tuesday June 30 2020, @01:04PM (#1014473) Journal

    China has a bad record on privacy. And some Chinese gadgets and soft have been caught sending unexpected data.
    But to be fair they should also ban tweeter, WhatsApp, Facebook, Google, gcalendar, Gmail, AWS...

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday June 30 2020, @03:47PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday June 30 2020, @03:47PM (#1014543) Journal

      Nah, they need to be able to provide Microsoft tech support for the gullible Americans. How can they do that, if they don't know what the latest fad is in the USA?

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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 30 2020, @04:42PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 30 2020, @04:42PM (#1014569) Journal

        Isn't that the job of India?

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @03:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @03:56PM (#1014546)

      Hopefully all these shit-fest apps splinter and die cold lonely deaths in the electronic wilderness.

      "Hello?"
      "Is anyone even reading this?!"
      "I don't know why I bother..."
      "MOD ME DAMMIT!!!!"

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday June 30 2020, @05:34PM

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday June 30 2020, @05:34PM (#1014593) Journal

    I mean, as long as there is internet, there has to be some way to get through without being harassed.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @07:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @07:12PM (#1014650)

    Are they going to switch away from made in China phones too? Those phones seem rather popular in India.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 01 2020, @12:08AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 01 2020, @12:08AM (#1014781)
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