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posted by martyb on Saturday July 11 2020, @03:49AM   Printer-friendly
from the how-you-gonna-get-there? dept.

Millennials drive for 8% fewer trips than older generations:

we surveyed 2,225 American adults of all ages. On average millennials drive for 8% fewer of their typical weekly trips than baby boomers or Gen Xers.

Moreover, this difference does not disappear when we control for demographic information, proving that millennial behavior is not just about being young, single and low-income. Instead, what distinguishes millennials are their attitudes.

Millennials are more pro-environment than previous generations and less likely to believe driving gives them independence. They also see driving as more dangerous and want a travel mode that offers side benefits such as exercise or the ability to read or use social media.

The generational difference has profound implications for auto manufacturers.


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  • (Score: 2) by NateMich on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:32AM (42 children)

    by NateMich (6662) on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:32AM (#1019381)

    But what about when they get older? Are they going to move out of the city as well, and then need a car?

    Seems like a possibility. Also 8% isn't particularly earth shattering.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:24AM (14 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:24AM (#1019392) Journal

      Are they going to move out of the city as well, and then need a car?

      Why should they think they need to move out of the city?

      They likely know too little about how to live at country side, other than: large distances, poor internet connection, crappy coffee, the most intelligent conversation is about the weather and what the kids of that hillbilly are doing with their dicks (and the worst are discussions about the bible), a moden hospital is 100 miles away.
      What's there for them?

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:44AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:44AM (#1019398)

        In USA you typically don't have to move very far out of the city to need a car--the suburbs often lobby against extensions of the city rapid transit system (at least historically--slowly changing now).
        No worries about the quality of suburban coffee or conversation, it's all good, along with typically better schools if you have kids.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:46AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:46AM (#1019399)

        When they can afford to. Quite a few of them realize that you can get a lot more independence outside the city for a lot less than your monthly rent... *IF* *BIG IF* your job supports working remotely. For those of us whose jobs don't allow remote work, the benefits are much slimmer unless we already have a side business going, in which case you are probably producing something physically and at the demand of your consumers, most of which will be online now, rather than local/storefront purchases, which of course has its own set of tradeoffs depending on where you live. That said, just based on my own experience with ACTUAL boomers (ie 50s-60s kids) most of them still seem to live by the same attitudes as their parents because not enough of them got laid off or stabbed in the back by employers to realize what a shitshow the modern corporate workplaces are, or even most of the small businesses. For every good business there is out there there are at least 5 violating every law they are supposed to be obeying, and most of those fall squarely on the employees to either notify about or uphold. Getting in, getting paid, and gtfoing before the shit hits the fan seems to be the norm for the millenial and late gen-x kids, most of whom hate their jobs unless they're full kool aid drinkers.

        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by c0lo on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:58AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:58AM (#1019402) Journal

          Actually a lot of them ARE moving that way...

          Good for them. That's the only way what you call "SJW" and "deplorables" are going to reconcile their values.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @08:53AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @08:53AM (#1019430)

            Steady on, a majority still voted for Scotty deplorable Morrison.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:25AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:25AM (#1019438) Journal

              a majority still voted for Scotty deplorable Morrison.

              I don't find reasons (yet) to be totally unhappy, I'll settle with that if I can't get better.

              At least ScoMo is still better than Tony-ultra-deplorable-Abbot and, for "politics, the art of the possible" reasons, better even than Malcolm-almost-non-deplorable-Turnbull.
              At least ScoMo was lucky that the National-deplorable-Party got past its hysterical stage with Barnaby-hillbilly-Joyce losing voice (after playing with his dick [wikipedia.org])

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      • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:25PM

        by acid andy (1683) on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:25PM (#1019513) Homepage Journal

        crappy coffee

        Only if they don't make their own. It's cheaper and actually more convenient to make your own anyway.

        The large distances are an issue, but also less of an issue than they used to be. There are so many things you can get delivered.

        --
        If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @08:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @08:01PM (#1019646)

        >> What's there for them?

        Tar and feathers.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by srobert on Sunday July 12 2020, @03:00AM (3 children)

        by srobert (4803) on Sunday July 12 2020, @03:00AM (#1019708)

        "What's there for them?"
        Clean air, clean water, land to grow fresh food on, a stream to fish fresh trout from, less noise, less crime, less traffic, beautiful scenery, the freedom to do as you like without worrying about it annoying your neighbors who are just critters in the woods that surround your acreage.
        I'm a boomer who grew up in the country, but now, for a variety of reasons that I don't want to go into, I have to live in the city. I hate it! Every time I hear a gunshot, or a siren in the middle of the night, or see the smog I'm breathing, or endure what my neighbor, whose house is 14 feet from mine, thinks is music, my hatred of urban living rises just a little more.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:07AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:07AM (#1019719) Journal

          Clean air, clean water, land to grow fresh food on, a stream to fish fresh trout from, less noise, less crime, less traffic, beautiful scenery, the freedom to do as you like without worrying about it annoying your neighbors who are just critters in the woods that surround your acreage.

          In other words, an environ they aren't used to, requiring activities they don't even know about, no adhoc meeting with friends "in a quarter at Falconne's pizza, 'round the corner", nothing happens and boredom.

          Believe me, I was lucky I spent 3-4 years growing at the country side until the age of 10 and I know all you say as true.
          Then, Uni time, I had city slickers colleagues who never got out for more than 10d-2weeks a year outside the capital city; Gods, outside toilet, no current water and sewage, need to heat your water starting 2 hours in advance to have a shower? That was no place to live for them, they needed a large group, booze and noisy boom-boxes to endure such a life a couple of days.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 12 2020, @05:06AM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 12 2020, @05:06AM (#1019735) Journal
            That clean air will kill ya!

            Well, despite the high urbanization of the world, I have to say that tourists to my region (Yellowstone National Park) aren't as stupid as you'd think. Sure, we get the type who will full stop in the middle of a busy road, walk right up to a 700kg American bison, and put a five year old on its shoulders for a selfie. But they aren't common.

            The real sources of death are road accidents , people drowning/freezing to death in our frigid lakes, and slip/falls. Much of that can happen anywhere.
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 12 2020, @08:09AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 12 2020, @08:09AM (#1019773) Journal

              Well, despite the high urbanization of the world, I have to say that tourists to my region (Yellowstone National Park) aren't as stupid as you'd think.

              1. I didn't say millenials in the city are all this way, some are bound to be opened to... ummm... living in open spaces, but a good amount of them may literally die if forced out of the city and required to live on their own - even if in country side villages, letting aside wilderness (I admit I have good chances to die in wilderness on my own, especially if the wilderness is Australia's outback)
              2. the tourists in your region - don't try to generalize on their account, what you see are (apart from serious trackers, even if at hobby level) those that have some tolerance to the idea of touring the parks and "endure" a couple of days without taking a shower.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:55AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:55AM (#1019733)

        >They likely know too little about how to live at country side
        this is a problem because you cannot be both environmentalist and at the mercy of food and health multinationals.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:42PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:42PM (#1019812)

        I think it's hilarious how insecure country folks are that they need to imply that city folks are too stupid to be able to manage it. If anything, it's the other way around as cities take a lot more effort to deal with than small towns do.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Sunday July 12 2020, @10:44PM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 12 2020, @10:44PM (#1020055) Journal

          I think it's hilarious how insecure country folks are that they need to imply that city folks are too stupid to be able to manage it.

          Stupid, no. Maladjusted to the environ, rather.

          (I know both)

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    • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by FatPhil on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:42AM (13 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:42AM (#1019414) Homepage
      Sometimes 8% can be significant: https://www.penissizes.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/average-penis-size-chart-comparison.jpg
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      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:50AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:50AM (#1019417)

        Imagine how bad it must be to be an average black guy. She's expecting so much more, it will look tiny. Conversely the average asian dude is probably constantly getting "Wow, it's bigger than I expected!" .

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @01:30PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @01:30PM (#1019483)

          "She's expecting so much more"

          Yes, let's us guys figure this out. The ladies can't be trusted to tell the truth. In every survey ever done, your dick doesn't appear in the top 10 must-have items in a partner. Of course, if you are being selected on the basis of a must-have list then that's pretty fucked up too. So yeah, big dicks.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:27PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:27PM (#1019621)

            The "partner" choice does not necessarily have any relation to the reproductive choice.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @03:40AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @03:40AM (#1019715)

            It sounds like some ideas from feminism may be applicable.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:16PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:16PM (#1019505)
        Width and firmness matters more in terms of pleasure. Too long can actually be an issue- most ladies don't like to be rammed in their cervixes.

        Even if you're very wide if they're aroused enough, they'll enjoy it a lot more than being rammed all the way in.
        • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:32PM (5 children)

          by acid andy (1683) on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:32PM (#1019518) Homepage Journal

          most ladies don't like to be rammed in their cervixes

          Citation needed. And for the ones that don't it would be quite possible to thrust hard without the top of the shaft going all the way in. Er, or so I've heard!

          You could always use your hand as a buffer around the top and use it to massage the clitoris.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:49PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:49PM (#1019593)

            Finally we have descended ascended to decent Internet quality. Only took 4 years. Mansplainin' the clitoris, thanks for that - made my day.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:15PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:15PM (#1019618)

              LOL. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence for any argument to be made about female sexual preferences, and no "evidence" other than philosophical navel-gazing about the nature of procreation by the mentally unstable. Some women want it fast, some slow, some clit only, some no clit action at all, anal, oral, etc. Rather than trying to make sweeping generalizations about women, and insinuations that all men are brainless incompetents, why don't you STFU?

              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday July 12 2020, @05:00AM

                by Bot (3902) on Sunday July 12 2020, @05:00AM (#1019734) Journal

                Sweeping generalisation #1:
                All women like to think they are unlike all other women.

                Sweeping generalisation #2:
                If you don't agree with the truth value of #1, you're a female or an incel.

                These 2 assertions build up a system of thought so solid... that they want to outlaw it.

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              • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Sunday July 12 2020, @11:07AM

                by acid andy (1683) on Sunday July 12 2020, @11:07AM (#1019791) Homepage Journal

                Well said.

                philosophical navel-gazing about the nature of procreation by the mentally unstable

                Funny you should say that. I was manic when I replied to this thread.

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                If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
            • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:47PM

              by acid andy (1683) on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:47PM (#1019627) Homepage Journal

              My pleasure. And hopefully hers as well.

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              If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:50PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:50PM (#1019526)

        Why are Asian Americans so much different than other Asian groups? Is there an environmental or dietary factor in penis size or are the numbers just funky because "Asian American" is a broad group?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:50PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:50PM (#1019594)

          Dude! You're looking at pink bars on a penis graph. Serious questions only please.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @08:07AM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @08:07AM (#1019422)

      The article is bullshit and mental masturbation. Sure there are some social changes, but the biggest driver by far is the complete lack of good jobs. Just gig economy and slave jobs where you cannot ever get ahead, and young people are already heavily burdened by going into great debt (not dischargeable) for education.

      The coming catastrophe for the auto makers is caused by lack of well paying union jobs that created all the prosperity in the middle class in the 50's, 60's and 70's. They're all grandparents now and watched their children lose their wealth through theft in the 2008 engineered financial disaster. More than 10 years later now, America is falling into economic and social ruin.

      We have had finanical contraction and contraction for the middle class, while the poor increased, and the elites have continued to take ever more.

      So how do you get a car, when you don't have the money, your parents don't have the money, and your grandparents don't have the money? How do you get a living wage when the only thing you can get is a gig economy job, or some other job, that none of provide a real living wage? A wage that is, at most, reduced by 30% for living costs, and allows for one to have savings. Those jobs are fucking gone, and NEVER coming back. All we can get now are jobs that require 140% of your paycheck to obtain housing. It's not a coincidence that the vast majority of workers in Northern California are forced to pair up, triple up, even quadruple up into housing to reduce that 140% to something survivable. There are constant battles for parking with cars overflowing out of their neighborhoods

      A car? Young people are now living in a world of ORs, and not ANDs. Our grandparents were blessed enough to have ANDs; The rent AND car payment AND electric payment AND retirement/savings funds AND food AND clothes, AND, AND, AND. Young people, along with their elders now live in ORs. The rent OR food, OR car, OR electric payment, OR, OR, OR.

      That really is the auto makers fundamental problem. They contributed greatly to the country turning into ORs instead of ANDs. The elites will figure out far too late that a society cannot run on ORs, and that their parasitic practices have finally killed the host.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @12:07PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @12:07PM (#1019467)

        It's not the downfall of union membership that is causing this. Globalization is causing this. Unions were only possible pre-globalization. Globalization is ready, cheap, offshore labor plus increasing automation.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @01:34PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @01:34PM (#1019485)

          Mm-hm is it also causing the 1% and 0.1% to award themselves massive pay increases? Shut up, douchebag.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:53PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @02:53PM (#1019528)

            Yes, it is. If you push all your production to areas with wages far below home levels, where do you think those savings are going?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:52PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:52PM (#1019595)

              Cheaper prices? By the magic of the invisible hand.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:17PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @06:17PM (#1019619)

                Invisible hand works supply/demand, not profit margins on labor.

        • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Sunday July 12 2020, @01:17AM

          by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday July 12 2020, @01:17AM (#1019699) Journal

          Globalization is a political choice, not a law of nature.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @03:45AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @03:45AM (#1019717)

          Unions were only possible pre-globalization.

          We need some kind of international worker's association so that unions in different countries can coordinate their struggles.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:46PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:46PM (#1019813)

            That would help, but what we really need is for bankers to unionize, that's the real reason why they make so much money in all of this, if bankers just refused to do their jobs for a few weeks, the billionaires would cave in almost immediately.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:43PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:43PM (#1019639)

        > They're all grandparents now and watched their children lose their wealth through theft in the 2008 engineered financial disaster.

        I'm old enough to be a grand parent, but chose to not have kids. Back in the '70s there were plenty of clues that things weren't getting better on many fronts. Humanity was well established as the dominant species on earth, and stupidly (imo) continued to multiply. So that was one of the several reasons for my choice.

        You can thank me for a few less competitors in your life, not that it will make much difference.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Sunday July 12 2020, @01:26AM (1 child)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday July 12 2020, @01:26AM (#1019701) Journal

          I'm 20 years behind you but made the same choice. We keep waiting for some magic solution, solar panels or cold fusion or whatever, but the driving issue is population. In the context of this story, it doesn't matter if millennials drive 8% less when they are 126% of GenX population or 119% of Boomer population. They need to triple that amount of not-driving just to maintain the status quo.

          https://knoema.com/infographics/egyydzc/us-population-by-age-and-generation-in-2020 [knoema.com]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:11AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:11AM (#1019722)

            you need a different system than capitalism

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:40PM (#1019811)

      8% isn't really that much less when you realize just how much more is being done online. As far as when they get older, probably the same thing that people did before cars became ubiquitous, they'll either use taxis or get their groceries delivered. Obviously, that assumes that Johnny Cabs aren't already a thing, which they might well be.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:42AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:42AM (#1019396)

    OMG, they interviewed 40 people and extrapolated to a whole damn generation.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:55AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:55AM (#1019401)

      Be grateful - on some shows you just get the Talking Head telling you absolute Truth.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:45AM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:45AM (#1019415) Homepage
      Nope. They interviewed 40 people, and then "To find out if these attitudes were truly representative, we surveyed 2,225 American adults of all ages"

      Article, motherfucker, did you read it?
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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:59AM (1 child)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:59AM (#1019420) Journal

        Article, motherfucker, did you read it?

        Clearly he RTFA, cause the tidbit about "interviewing 40 persons" is not in the TFS.

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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:20AM

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:20AM (#1019437) Homepage
          He may have RSOTFA, but clearly didn't RAOTFA.
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by dltaylor on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:30AM

    by dltaylor (4693) on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:30AM (#1019440)

    If they didn't ask the whole study is meaningless. Using someone elses' cars puts wear on those and they will have to be replaced, so looks like no net change.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by bradley13 on Saturday July 11 2020, @10:56AM (8 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Saturday July 11 2020, @10:56AM (#1019456) Homepage Journal

    What a bizarre article for phys.org. Anyway, if we ignore their "study" of 40 millenials, all of whom obviously live in cities where cars are optional, then we are left with their study of 2225 people "of all ages".

    First, we can snicker a bit at the theoretical contribution of this study: "a new field phenomenon, correlated groups , uncoordinated actors behaving as collective agents due to shared experiences and characteristics". How can they seriously claim this is new? This is bog standard social science.

    Anyway, I guess I was bored, because I logged into the library and downloaded the paper. The target millenials were selected throught two means: (1) "personal and academic networks", cynically meaning, talk to people you know (most of whom will be in academia, i.e., poor grad students). (2) Posters at an employment office, cynically meaning, people who are out of work and have no immediate job prospects.

    tl;dr: The study deliberately selected unemployed people and students, and is then surprised that they own fewer cars and drive less. Color me surprised.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @12:03PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @12:03PM (#1019466)

      I've often wondered how much further and faster science could be advanced if all studies banned using undergrad and graduate students as study participants. They're not a random set, they're the definition of self-selection. They have high incentive to not be honest, but try to respond in whatever way they think their professors want them to respond. They're not even representative of whatever set of people being studied (unless you're explicitly studying undergrad and/or grad students).

      It's just easier to use the indentured servants already inside the ivory tower, then to get out in that yucky messy real world.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @01:38PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @01:38PM (#1019486)

        Plus 85% of them are Chinese. They probably ride bicycles pfffft hahaha losers.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:46PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @07:46PM (#1019641)

          Every time I ride my bicycle past you at the gas station, I thumb my nose at you. Keep an eye out while you piss away your money on dino juice, that might be me rolling by with a big grin on my face.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @01:31AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @01:31AM (#1019702)

            Every time I run you over I thumb my nose at you. Keep an eye out while you piss away your money on orthopedic surgeons and physical therapy, that might be me driving on by with a big grin on my face.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:08AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:08AM (#1019720)

              Maybe you need orthopedic surgeons and physical therapy after getting a little exercise. Eat your veggies. Try vegetable juice with caffeine powder for your morning drink. Avoid over processed foods and soda pop, even diet sodas. Aspartame is just as bad as sugar water.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:17AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @04:17AM (#1019724)
      • (Score: 2, Disagree) by bradley13 on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:59PM (1 child)

        by bradley13 (3053) on Saturday July 11 2020, @05:59PM (#1019615) Homepage Journal

        I will go cynically farther: how fast would science advance, if we took all the pretend scientists out of it. Social "sciences" are not science. Their studies are unsound, and if they were sound they would still not be reproducible.

        Of course, even in the hard sciences, the bar needs to be raised. There are way too mant graduate programs churning out way too many unqualified graduates, because every school feels entitled to run a graduate school. 90% of the programs are crap, and their students shouldn't even pass undergrad courses.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 12 2020, @12:52PM (#1019815)

          what's the alternative then? A lot of the social sciences cover things where we have a genuine need for knowledge, banning them would require that we come up with a better alternative which is likely not possible due to ethical and practical considerations. I do think that we need to raise our standards in terms of what acceptable results are, but expecting that these fields are going to be able to get the reliability that you see in the hard sciences anytime soon is unreasonable.

          Or do you think that psychological, sociological and educational research, amongst others, are inherently without value?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:06PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 11 2020, @09:06PM (#1019660)

    Hypocrytical idiots are putting predominantly Black auto workers in Detroit out of work, then running around saying Black Lives Matter,

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