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posted by martyb on Monday July 13 2020, @10:50PM   Printer-friendly

The SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 pandemic has been with us for over six months. A recent check of https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ reveals just over 13 million cases, with over a half million deaths, and 4.9 million of which are listed as active. On a positive note, 7.6 million are listed as recovered.

Unfortunately, recovered does not necessarily mean being back to the same shape someone was in pre-infection (see below).

Statistically, there are bound to be some Soylentils who have been infected (or had friends or family members who were).

I'd like to offer an opportunity for us to pull together and share our collective experiences. If you've made it through, telling others of how it went can be helpful both for the one who shares, and also for those who were recently diagnosed. Fears, doubts, and worries act to drain energy better directed to recovery.

NB: Please be mindful that "the internet never forgets". I encourage all who respond to make use of posting anonymously.

With that caution, what has been your experience? How long between time of infection and onset of symptoms? How bad was it? How are things now? What do you know now that you wish you knew earlier? What did you hear about earlier but didn't realize they meant that?

Penultimately, I realize words are inadequate, but I sincerely wish and hope that all can be spared from this malady, and those who have been afflicted may have a speedy and full recovery.

Unfortunately, it looks like that may not be as likely as we would all hope and wish for...

Ars Technica has results of an analysis of COVID-19 victims' recovery. Be aware it was from a relatively small sample of patients who had been infected and then deemed to be recovered. Two months after infection, COVID-19 symptoms persist:

As the COVID-19 pandemic continues unabated in many countries, an ever-growing group of people is being shifted from the "infected" to the "recovered" category. But are they truly recovered? A lot of anecdotal reports have indicated that many of those with severe infections are experiencing a difficult recovery, with lingering symptoms, some of which remain debilitating. Now, there's a small study out of Italy in which a group of infected people was tracked for an average of 60 days after their infection was discovered. And the study confirms that symptoms remain long after there's no detectable virus.

[...] Roughly 60 days later, the researchers followed up with an assessment of these patients. Two months after there was no detectable virus, only 13 percent of the study group was free of any COVID-19 symptoms. By contrast, a bit over half still had at least three symptoms typical of the disease.

The most common symptom was fatigue, followed by difficulty breathing, joint pain, and chest pain. Over 10 percent were still coughing, and similar numbers hadn't seen their sense of smell return. A large range of other symptoms were also present.

Journal Reference:
Angelo Carfì, Roberto Bernabei, Francesco Landi. Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19 [open], JAMA (DOI: 10.1001/jama.2020.12603)


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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Snotnose on Monday July 13 2020, @10:54PM (53 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Monday July 13 2020, @10:54PM (#1020802)

    A) video games
    B) Reading
    C) Sitting on my ass doing nothing
    D) Watching TV/movies

    Pick any 1. I am sick and tired of all 4.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:14PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:14PM (#1020812)

      I lost my high school buddy (age 60) to covid 2 months ago, another friend just left the hospital after spending 4 weeks on an ventilator. I've been coughing up all kinds of yukky tasting snot from deep down in my lungs for 4 weeks and my vocal cords now sound like Peter Steele... but I don't qualify for a covid test in San Diego because I don't have enough symptoms yet. Bought myself a King Kong Q157 rc kit to waste some time when I'm not trolling here.

      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:24PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:24PM (#1020818)

        Gargle some sodium ascorbate solution.

        • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:49AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:49AM (#1021054)

          Fuck that. I only take random medical advice from the President.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:55AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:55AM (#1021055)

            I bet you only take it from pharmaceutical corporations and the people they pay to come up with the excuses they need to regulate themselves.

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by MostCynical on Tuesday July 14 2020, @08:03AM

              by MostCynical (2589) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @08:03AM (#1021116) Journal

              depends on the country..

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:28PM (39 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:28PM (#1020820)

      Perfect example of how social safety nets will not lead to couch potatoes. On average people want to be useful, and consumption gets boring.

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by HiThere on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:40AM (21 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:40AM (#1020908) Journal

        Actually, that's not quite true. Some percentage of the population will end up too depressed and lacking motivation to do anything else in particular. Another percentage will opt for "cheap thrills". In prior times a portion of the wealthy took up dueling. (Actually, if you count paintball that's already happening.) Etc.

        Most people have a hard time coming up with anything productive to do in the current society. This is partially due to population density. (Rome had the Arena, Constantinople had the Hippodrome, Imperial China evolved a ridiculously complex etiquette...though that's not quite the same...but you could be banished for using the wrong brush stroke style for the trunk of a tree.)

        OTOH, do note that those "frivolous activities" were part of the glue that held society together. In Rome, e.g., the Arena acted as a temple to the State, eventually to the state as personified by the Emperor. The deaths in the arena were a replacement for the human sacrifice that had previously been given to Jupiter. (And when the Christians took over, they kept the Arena, they just changed who was being sacrificed, and it remained a temple to the personified state. Which is pretty much what the Jewish religion was with Yahweh being the official recipient of the worship with the priesthood as the visible intermediaries. There was officially no visible god, but the god was the state of Israel. Many still worship that god.)

        So my feeling that that there may not be as many couch potatoes as some people predict, but we might well be happier if they *were* couch potatoes.

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        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:49AM (16 children)

          When Canada tried it, >25% who were working when it started were not working when it got killed. It's not a number the economy could absorb without a lot of pain.

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          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:25AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:25AM (#1020948)

            [citation needed]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:10AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:10AM (#1020998)

            When did Canada implement universal basic income?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:26AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:26AM (#1021042)

              Canada has experimented multiple times with things that a layman would call a "UBI" but are technically not. There are problems with drawing conclusions from both due to suppression of the mincome final report and the Ontario qualification requirements and reporting under the new administration.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:40PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:40PM (#1021290)

                Not to mention a short term limitrd study is not conclusive. COVID lockdowns are so far the best experiment yet on the concept.

          • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:46AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:46AM (#1021024)

            While not a raging success like some would have you believe, you don't have to make up lies about it either. The only way to get close to the 25 percent figure you cited, is if you count the people who enrolled full time in post-secondary education, those that reached retirement age, those who reduced to part-time hours in dual income homes, and those that were unemployed at any time even if employed at the end. And you also have to count those that began working full time during the program, were already in post-secondary education, or completed post-secondary education.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:25AM (1 child)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:25AM (#1021800) Homepage Journal

              It's not a lie, dipshit. Those are from official Canadian numbers. We ran a story on it last year even.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:55AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:55AM (#1022262)

                As for the labour market participation of survey respondents, over half indicated working before
                and during the pilot (54%) while less than a quarter were unemployed before and during the
                pilot (24%). Slightly less than one-fifth were employed before but unemployed during the pilot
                (17%) and a smaller number reported not working before but finding work during the pilot (5%).
                Just under half of those who stopped working during the pilot returned to school to improve
                their future employability (40.6%).

                Almost all of the participants who moved out of employment during the pilot came
                from the ranks of the precariously employed before the pilot [86.36%].

          • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:56AM (1 child)

            by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:56AM (#1021092)

            We ARE already supporting about 25% of the population. Because if I apply the same standards as you do and include everyone who is in an education project or retiring, we are easily hitting those numbers.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:28AM

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:28AM (#1021801) Homepage Journal

              Population != workforce. You're confusing the concepts. I'm going to assume it's inadvertent and not rhetorical bullshittery. We can not have 25% of the people who are working at this moment just stop working.

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          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:44PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:44PM (#1021294)

            Citations are never provided by TMB after he posts his inane arguments. Hell just getting him to admit reality when someone else provides a counter citation is near impossible. He is one of those admitting-wrong-is-weak manly men.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:32AM (1 child)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:32AM (#1021803) Homepage Journal

              It's a story that we ran on this site. On the front page. Last year. Is your brain really so full of bullshit that you can't remember what happened last year or did you actively block the memory out because it interfered with your preferred idea of reality?

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:33PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:33PM (#1022092)

                So then it should be easy to link to.

                Now I get the feeling you are running a sock puppet account named Barbara Hudson.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:54PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:54PM (#1021558)

            What? That's utterly false.

            Here, have a citation: https://newatlas.com/good-thinking/canada-basic-income-experiment-ontario-report-results/ [newatlas.com]

            17 percent [left] employment once the basic income payments commenced [...] nearly half of those subjects who stopped working during the pilot returned to school or university to up-skill for future employment.

            So, 8-9% stopped working, 8-9% went back to school, the rest of the ~70% who were working pre-UBI kept working.

            That's not >25%. For persons with impairment (disease, mental issues, addiction), an 8-9% rate of getting fired over 16 months is not unusual.

            Here's a perspective you should read. I hope you aren't too ossified to recognize when points are valid: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/08/13/conservatives-end-basic-income-program-in-ontario-afraid-to-be-proved-wrong/ [washingtonpost.com]

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:16AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:16AM (#1020942)

          Most people have a hard time coming up with anything productive to do in the current society.

          That's a bold statement. Do you have any data to back that up, or just anecdotal reports which say more about the people you know than society at-large?

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:16AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:16AM (#1021001)

            Check the welfare statistics, for your state, as well as for others.

            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:42PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:42PM (#1021221) Journal
              Because welfare statistics are going to show that a majority is not on welfare. How does that answer anything?
        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:07PM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:07PM (#1021179)

          Most people have a hard time coming up with anything productive to do in the current society.

          Largely because productivity is not required.

          Pick something you love, and do it. If you love nothing, couch potato it is - maybe you'll find your love in the endless stream of mindless entertainment that flows virtually freely into homes everywhere.

          One son of a rich bastard in Texas was watching a late night shopping show about biodegradable golf balls, you know- so you can practice driving off the back of your yacht without feeling too guilty about it. His family was involved in petroleum pipeline work for Shell - he managed to turn those golf balls into a multi-million dollar patent for pipeline patching work and used that money to open a 400 acre exotic animal ranch in east Texas. Never amounted to much before, or since, but he gets a kick out of owning a couple of giraffes and a herds of bison, antelope, etc.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:57AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:57AM (#1020985) Journal

        Perfect example of how social safety nets will not lead to couch potatoes. On average people want to be useful, and consumption gets boring.

        I see the example as being quite imperfect. There's a lot of suffering, but not a word of how Snotnose is going to fix that.

        On average people want to be useful, and consumption gets boring.

        Wants that need not be satisfied.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:07AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:07AM (#1021031)

        [...] On average people want to be useful, and consumption gets boring.

        I like being useless. Also, consumption of alcohol never gets boring.

        • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:30PM

          by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:30PM (#1021889) Homepage Journal

          Also, consumption of alcohol never gets boring.

          Actually, it kind of does, eventually. But the amounts and years required to reach that point are not to be recommended.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:12AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:12AM (#1021102)

        I suspect you might be straw manning opposition to social safety nets. I don't think anybody opposes, in theory, basic short term support nets in case of emergencies. What opposition to safety nets there is generally comes from two things:

        1) People staying on them for years at a time.
        2) Politicians explicitly enabling #1 not for a betterment of society, but because they see it as a means to an end to gain political power by creating a longterm dependency system.

        Social safety nets also pose extremely difficult moral questions. A woman who has no job and no partner gets pregnant. What now? Do we:

        1) Fund and require an abortion?
        2) Fund the entire process of a healthy birth and require the child be put up for adoption?
        3) Fund the entire processing of birthing a healthy child with no conditions or requirements?
        4) Do nothing?

        You want to pick the feel good option, #3. So let's say we go that route. Now we have a whole new set of questions. What happens after the child is born and now we have a woman with a child who cannot afford to raise the child. Do we:

        1) Fund both the parent and the child, indefinitely?
        2) Give the parent some time limit to reach self sustenance, at which point the child will put up for adoption otherwise?
        3) Do nothing?

        Now the questions are even worse. So let's again say we pick the feel good option of #1. We've now created a system where if you're poor, you can get lifelong support by simply having a child that you're in no position to be having. So this child is born into a household that is not only deeply impoverished but also probably going to do a very poor job of raising the child since the parent has, from the start, shown themselves to be the sort to make rather dubious life decisions. So now you're going to have a child grow up in this household and he or she themselves are probably also going to rapidly end up on dependency due to the conditions of their childhood. And these are the sort of conditions you can't solve with money.

        -----

        These sort of issues, the negative effects they have on society, and the ultimate inability to create any good solution to these problems are what I think drives opposition towards the entire notion of social safety nets. In places where the safety nets have been much more successful it's not because they've solved these issues but because they've been lucky enough to mostly avoid the problem of people trying to actively exploit the system. This applies both on the bottom (the citizens) as well as on the top (the politicians). It's the computing analog of security through obscurity.

        It will be interesting to see what will happen in a place such as Sweden where greatly increased diversity (and general population size as well) is going to lead to a growth in independent instead of social minded individuals. Perhaps they will resolve these issues, or perhaps in 30 years Sweden will no longer be one of the places people mention when they speak of on these sort of topics. Indeed the latter outcome is already looking increasingly more probable.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:57PM (4 children)

          by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:57PM (#1021205)

          >A woman who has no job and no partner gets pregnant. What now? Do we:

          You forgot
          5) Avoid the problem almost entirely by funding free birth control and family planning for all at a tiny fraction of the cost

          Which dramatically reduces the number of young children that we probably want to ensure are healthy and adequately fed and educated so that they have can grow up to be healthy productive citizens instead of sickly idiots that are all but guaranteed to repeat the cycle. After all, health and diet through infancy and childhood have a dramatic effect on long term health and intelligence.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:11PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:11PM (#1021235)

            >A woman who has no job and no partner gets pregnant.

            Artificial insemination ?

            If she can afford that she can afford to pay the rent.

            >What now? Do we:

            6) Be responsible and not have sex?

            • (Score: 5, Informative) by Immerman on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:18PM (2 children)

              by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:18PM (#1021397)

              >Be responsible and not have sex?

              That's neither realistic, nor responsible. It's never been viable as a general policy in the history of the world - why would you expect to start now?

              Reproduction is literally the ultimate purpose of life, and sex is the user-visible lure. From an evolutionary standpoint failing to reproduce is equivalent to having never existed - any gene-line with an inclination towards such self-destructive behavior has long since died out.

              Heck, we can't even manage to make populations practice sexual monogamy, and that's a much smaller perversion of nature. While there are many species that pair-bond monogamously, there are exactly zero species on Earth that practice sexual monogamy.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:33PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:33PM (#1021937)

                How is it not realistic? My wife and I both refrained from sexual activity before marriage, not because of any religious reason, but because we were not financially in a position where we were willing to take a risk. I'm holding others to the same standard I held myself to, if they can't even do that then it is not my problem.

                • (Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:59PM

                  by sjames (2882) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:59PM (#1022102) Journal

                  So what's your prescription for cases of rape? That is, where the woman's responsible choice wasn't respected?

                  Also, you do you, others are different. Unless you want me to find every exceptional performance any human anywhere has ever done and demand it of you today. Why are you slower than Usain Bolt? Get your standards in place! Why do you lose your temper, Fred Rogers always kept his under control. You can't lift like a power lifter, the Olympic records are in no danger from you, what are you weak willed or something?

                  It's not realistic because in the long history of abstinence being prescribed, evidence shows that adherence is spotty at best. Meanwhile, modern social norms and economic realities have greatly extended the length of time after puberty that people would have to be abstinent to meet your criteria.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:16PM (#1021395)

          "I don't think anybody opposes, in theory, basic short term support nets in case of emergencies."

          You think wrong. Government theft for a supposed noble cause is still theft.

        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:16AM

          by sjames (2882) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:16AM (#1021655) Journal

          Where it all falls apart is that the same political faction that opposes short and long term social safety programs also opposes abortion or any funding for birth control or even funding programs that might (GASP!) provide advice on effective birth control or abortions. In some cases they even oppose the existence of birth control (look up the history of Plan B). They also have a history of opposing "sex education" where girls learn how to not get pregnant in the first place.

          As for the rest, are you saying Americans are lazier and more inclined to lie, cheat, and steal than Europeans? Why do you hate America?

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:34PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:34PM (#1021254) Journal

        Perfect example of how social safety nets will not lead to couch potatoes. On average people want to be useful, and consumption gets boring.

        In a brave new world we need drugs like Soma to keep everyone in a drug induced happy productivity and unconcerned about consequences.

        Oh, wait. People are already unconcerned about consequences. We just need the productive and happy part.

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Entropy on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:41PM

        by Entropy (4228) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:41PM (#1021291)

        That's just because the folks that normally work are now doing nothing, rather than the people that normally do nothing doing nothing.

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:01PM (3 children)

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:01PM (#1021350)

        In the old days one of the purposes of higher education was for the very wealthy to learn how to entertain themselves for the rest of their lives.

        I'm pretty well educated; I'll never be bored.

        As higher education became mere vocational training for ambitious middle classes in a cargo cult sense, it became less useful.

        • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:21PM

          by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:21PM (#1021399)

          >it became less useful.

          Are you sure about that? It's less useful for the rich, but more useful for the lower classes (cult or not, you're likely to learn at least some useful skills). And the lower classes have the rich outnumbered rather severely, so the net utility is probably increasing.

        • (Score: 1) by anubi on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:14AM (1 child)

          by anubi (2828) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:14AM (#1021571) Journal

          I always liked classes in stuff like automotive, industrial arts, especially refrigeration, microcontroller design, analog and digital circuit design, mechanics engineering, etc. What I saw as the useful arts that are the foundation of our existence.

          I found sports, socialites, politicians, religion, business, almost anything where men wore suits, to be nothing more than a huge waste of time.

          Finally, I now know damn near how and why stuff works. But consider myself unemployable because that knowledge makes me insubordinate.

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          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:26PM

            by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:26PM (#1021886)

            unemployable

            1099 for life, can't imagine going back to W-2 employment.

            I find having a contract with a fixed end date reduces anxiety about corporate BS. You guys insist on flushing your company down the drain? Well, its not like I'm a shareholder or employee. Just try to pay my invoice before going chapter 7, mkay?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:22AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:22AM (#1020851)

      Can't get it up, eh? Hehehe.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:48PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:48PM (#1021261) Journal

        There are good drugs for that.

        But eventually it gets tiring or boring.

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    • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:26AM

      by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:26AM (#1020853) Journal

      +1 THIS...SO MUCH THIS

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    • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:07AM (2 children)

      by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:07AM (#1021098)

      How can someone remotely be bored? I never really got that part, there is so much I want to do that I wish I had the time for but never got to it.

      I really wish I could buy time. That would be money well spent.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:40AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:40AM (#1021111)

        Being bored is more than just not having anything to do. I agree, I always have an unlimited list of things I'd like to do if I had time (there's a pretty much unlimited supply of books worth reading, for one). But "things I'd like to do at some point" and "things I'd like to do right now" aren't the same. If I'm bored, that means I'm not in the mood for doing any of those things or not feeling up to even considering which one I might want to do. In other words, "bored" almost always actually means there's some underlying emotional/mental health problem (depression/anxiety/stress are all pretty common responses to the whole COVID situation), not an actual lack of things to do. Mind, being consciously aware of that is sometimes a cure for feeling "bored".

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:20PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:20PM (#1021439)

        How can someone remotely be bored?

        There are lots of people who regularly feel hungry even if they have plenty of food. Or feel like eating something else but can't for some reason.

        So similar to that but for the mind?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:55PM (#1021453)

      Get a job? Lots of people are working from home. So you could get similar jobs or even undercut them and take their jobs or something.

      Then A-D might sound less boring again.

      You could also look for stuff to learn on Youtube etc.

    • (Score: 2) by corey on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:43PM

      by corey (2202) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:43PM (#1021526)

      How's about you look after my two 4yr olds and I'll enjoy the above 4 things?

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:11PM (53 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:11PM (#1020810)

    Very good chance Trump will be re-elected.

    You see, the people who vote him don't necessarily like him, might even despise him, but they despise the "establishment" even more. They vote for him out of spite.

    How is this related to covid-19? You decide.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:16PM (#1020813)

      Hiel Hillary!

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:31PM (51 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:31PM (#1020821)

      So to "fight the power" you will choose a corrupt thief who steals your money?

      At least we have the direct confessions of you morons to help alleviate our feelings of guilt when we think "what a bunch of fucking idiots, what is wrong with them???"

      I know guilt is a strange concept to you what with being a Trumper and all. Guilt is a feeling some people get when they have thoughts or do things that go against their own principles. We're all fallible, sadly you are also gullible in the extreme.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:50PM (28 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @11:50PM (#1020836)

        My grandma fled nazi germany. She warned to flee the country when I saw people acting exactly like the democrats are right now. Everything they are doing and proposing the Nazis did in the 1930s.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:36AM (13 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:36AM (#1020859)

          And I see the same things that you do, except that for me, it's the republicans that are doing them. ("the press is the ennemy of the people !", etc)

          • (Score: 2, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:44AM (11 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:44AM (#1020862)

            At this point in time the Republicans are not burning stuff in the streets, trying to defund local police so federal police become more powerful, let political organizations decide which businesses are allowed to stay open, get the government meddling in everyones health, etc.

            But Republicans would do that just as well, its just not the current role they are playing in the march to totalitarianism.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:56AM (9 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:56AM (#1020871)

              Democrats have done nothing productive since Trump first ran for POTUS. They've been wasting 4 years on witch hunts. Fuck Democrats, SJW's, and BLM.

              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:24AM (8 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:24AM (#1020947)

                Democrats have done nothing productive since Trump first ran for POTUS. They've been wasting 4 years on witch hunts. Fuck Democrats, SJW's, and BLM.

                That's odd. Where I live they've done quite a bit. Minimum wage is now $15/hour. Ranked Choice Voting will now be used for local and state elections. Cannabis was on the cusp of legalization until COVID hit. Several long-time D congresspeople have either lost their seats or will do so after November's election.

                And a raft of other stuff.

                At the Federal level, the 'D" congress has passed many bills, but more than 500 have been blocked (not brought up on the floor of the Senate) by Mitch McConnell (note: he has an 'R' after his name).

                As such, it ain't the D's not doing anything. Where they can, they do. Where the 'R's have *any* power, they just *block* stuff, but have exactly *zero* ideas other than giving the 1% big tax cuts.

                Not sure where you live but unless it's under a rock, you're ignoring all the shit happening around you. More's the pity.

                • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:46AM (6 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:46AM (#1020967)

                  I notice you failed to mention a single thing at the national level, 500 bills about commemorative coins isn't an accomplishment.

                  And minimum wage just means you are making it more expensive to train employees. Not that it matters since $15 is still nothing compared to inflation the fed and these politicians have created.

                  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:51AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:51AM (#1020976)

                    That is one embarassing response. I'm embarassed for even having read it!

                  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:54AM (4 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:54AM (#1021073)

                    I know it won't make any difference to your view, but you're flat wrong.

                    And it's not that bills duly passed by the House of Representatives [thehill.com] are *failing* in the Senate either. The Senate majority leader (Mich McConnell, R, KY) has not even brought them to the floor for debate [newsweek.com].

                    Even *if* (and that's a big 'if') all of those bills couldn't pass the Senate as currently formulated, blocking *discussion* of those bills, and the issues underlying them, is profoundly undemocratic (small 'd').

                    And no, they aren't about "commemorative coins" either. Here's a list of bills [wikipedia.org] passed by the House and the Senate during the current session.

                    For example, H.R. 1 [wikipedia.org] addresses expanding voting rights, limiting partisan gerrymandering, strengthening ethics rules and limiting the influence of money on our political system.

                    Whatever you may think about those issues, they are certainly more consequential than "commemorative coins."

                    What's more, upon passage of H.R. 1, Mitch McConnell said that the bill was "not going to go anywhere in the Senate." And in March 2019, McConnell said he would not put the bill to a vote on the Senate floor. [wikipedia.org]

                    And no, that's not the least consequential bill passed by the House this session. It just happens to be the first. There are many hundreds more, some more consequential and some less so.

                    And minimum wage just means you are making it more expensive to train employees. Not that it matters since $15 is still nothing compared to inflation the fed and these politicians have created.

                    $15/hour (assuming 40 hours per week, which is a big assumption) works out to $900 per week, or ~$30,000/annum. That's not nothing, and in a lot of places it's enough to eat and pay rent. But many folks can't get full time hours, can they?

                    Given that the *median [abs.gov.au]* (in case you were confused about what that means) income in the US is ~$60,000 [stlouisfed.org], it's certainly not going to put upward pressure on that.

                    As for your ridiculous blather about inflation, you don't even merit a quote:
                    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/ [usinflationcalculator.com]

                    Is it painful talking out of your ass like that?

                    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:36AM (3 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:36AM (#1021161)

                      So a bunch of rules about how elections should be performed? That is all you can come up with? Guess what, most people don't even give a shit about election between democrats and republicans. Thats why they don't vote. No one cares about that crap except red team vs blue team idiots.

                      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:41PM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:41PM (#1021220)

                        Election laws are vitally important if we're going to have any sort of claim to being a democracy. One of the main reasons why we're rapidly devolving into a single party system is the lack of campaign finance laws preventing private interests from buying elections or donating to both sides of a race. And another is that the GOP has managed to gerrymander themselves a permanent 3-4% advantage in the house.

                        • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:18PM (1 child)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:18PM (#1021362)

                          The US isn't a democracy... And the election laws were better before congress started meddling with them.

                          Why don't they do something useful like figure out how to limit the vast waste I saw when I worked for the fed gov? Like 50% of the tax dollars are wasted, at least.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:08PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:08PM (#1021501)

                            The US most certainly is a democracy, and election laws are vitally important. But, based upon your unfounded claims, you've got a political point you're trying to push.

                            The reality is that broken election laws need to be fixed and the Democrats are at least trying to address some of ti. Obviously, they like contributions so don't expect them to fix the biggest problem, but at least they realize that they need to encourage voting by mail.

                • (Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:11PM

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:11PM (#1021181)

                  Where the 'R's have *any* power, they just *block* stuff, but have exactly *zero* ideas other than giving the 1% big tax cuts.

                  And that's just what the Boomers (my parents) like... they've got their waterfront property, their yachts, their fancy cars - change isn't what they want, they want to ride the next two decades into the grave on top of the world just like they mostly already are.

                  --
                  🌻🌻 [google.com]
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:50AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:50AM (#1021767)

              At this point in time the Republicans are not burning stuff in the streets, trying to defund local police so federal police become more powerful

              Holly fuck, your brain is fucked. You don't even have a fucking clue about Nazis or Germany, but you are trying to draw conclusions from what? Your imaginations?

              1. There is a difference between protesting some government institutions and burning Synagogues and targeting businesses because owners are "not desirable". A BLM protest is not the same like the "fine people on both sides Nazi protest"
              2. reforming local institutions?? If you have a organizations protecting themselves with their own unions, the fastest way to reform is to disband and rehire and screen out the trouble makers. But you instantly draw conclusions that reforming local police means they they just said "FUCK YOU POLICE, WE WANT THE BIG BAD FBI HERE ONLY!".

              get the government meddling in everyones health

              Your system worked so well now.... no need meddling. They should cancel that Medicare and Medicaid too, bunch of leeches! Right?

              But Republicans would do that just as well, its just not the current role they are playing in the march to totalitarianism.

              Like kissing Kimmie's ass and treating Putin like a hero? Oh wait, that's Trump, republicans just kiss his ass and elevate him to kinghood.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:19PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:19PM (#1021398)

            "The Press" is completely owned and controlled by Bolshevik revolutionaries and is used to destroy the nation, and Whites in particular.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:21AM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:21AM (#1021040)

          Riiiiiiiiiigggghhhttttttt.............

          It was the Democrats supporting concentration camps for children.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:56AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:56AM (#1021056)

          Nice that your grandma managed to make it to Soviet Russia! Where justice was a thing, especially for women. Say "hi" to the wife and kids, Ivan!

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Opportunist on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:11AM (2 children)

          by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:11AM (#1021101)

          Really? Because the rhetoric is closer to what I get to see from those self-proclaimed "anti-establishment" people. I.e. the rotten system has to be taken down, let's replace it with our new perfect movement, and of course the Jew... Mexicans are to blame for everything, let's ghetto them off with tall walls. And while we're at it, let's throw some others we don't like in with them to rot away.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:30AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:30AM (#1021157)

            > In late 1933, the Reich Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick wanted to integrate all the police forces of the German states under his control. Göring outflanked him by removing the Prussian political and intelligence departments from the state interior ministry.[8] Göring took over the Gestapo in 1934 and urged Hitler to extend the agency's authority throughout Germany. This represented a radical departure from German tradition, which held that law enforcement was (mostly) a Land (state) and local matter.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo [wikipedia.org]

            > Under the rule of National Socialism, the organization, financing and supervision of the health insurance funds are altered dramatically. Self-administration is abolished and state-approved directors are assigned to each fund. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_healthcare_in_Germany [wikipedia.org]

            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Fall_of_Mickiewicz_Monument_%281940%29.jpg/1280px-Fall_of_Mickiewicz_Monument_%281940%29.jpg [wikimedia.org]

            > The German movement was the most powerful anti-smoking movement in the world during the 1930s and early 1940s.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany [wikipedia.org]

            > . The Nazis hated private property and essentially outlawed it. Bribery was the only way to obtain raw materials, foreign currency, workers - virtually anything. Nazi party apparatchiks infested even the smallest parts of the economy.
            "Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system", wrote one businessman. https://www.amazon.com/Vampire-Economy-Doing-Business-Fascism-ebook/dp/B0052YQ1CK [amazon.com]

            > A propaganda poster from 1933 attempted to degrade capitalists and Jews for opposing social programs for the public. One sub-headline on the "Down with Judah!" poster read: "Because Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich wants social justice, big Jewish capitalism is the worst enemy of this Reich and its Führer." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Nazi_propaganda [wikipedia.org]

            Anyway, there is plenty more but the green new deal is the most nazi thing I've ever heard. I'd start your education there.

            PS. Republicans are fascists too.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:53AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:53AM (#1021768)

              This represented a radical departure from German tradition, which held that law enforcement was (mostly) a Land (state) and local matter.

              And 50 years before that, there was no Germany just the local states being independent. So what's your point? What "tradition" are you talking about?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:42PM (#1022160)

          Why are you still here?

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:17AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:17AM (#1020849)

        I don't know where you live, who you hang out, whatever.

        Trump America is what America is today.

        Don't deny it, it's the truth.

        Actually, all you millenials ( I hate you all) , prove me wrong (or right).

        Get your asses out and vote.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:47AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:47AM (#1020912)

          Sociopath, I still can't seem to derive pleasure knowing you old idiots are more likely to catch covid and die. I guess you gotta be raised a hateful cunt to be like you.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:26AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:26AM (#1020949)

            I agree with GP in one respect: Get your ass out and vote.

            If you don't like how things are, *you* have the power to change it.

            Even if you've been brainwashed to believe that your vote doesn't count, that doesn't make it true.

            Especially in local/state elections. Want to make things better? Vote.

            Vote.

            • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:48PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:48PM (#1021296)

              I done been voting, gerry mandering, voter suppression, and outright cheating keep fucking my country over.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:35AM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:35AM (#1020904)

        The problem with that is that both candidates are corrupt and going to steal our money, at least if Trump wins by default there's some hope that the Democratic establishment might let the voters choose the nominee next time. There's also some hope that the green party will get their 5% as most of the folks fleeing the Democratic party won't vote Trump.

        • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:30AM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:30AM (#1020951)

          there's been lots of documentation about Trump's thievery.

          Let's see some about Biden's.

          Note that I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it.

          Your move.

          • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:21AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:21AM (#1021004)

            The money is in his son's pocket, and Daddy Joe went head hunting when some prosecuting attorney in Ukraine had the nerve to question Hunter about that money.

            • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:05AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:05AM (#1021075)

              The money is in his son's pocket, and Daddy Joe went head hunting when some prosecuting attorney in Ukraine had the nerve to question Hunter about that money.

              Oh, definitely. The optics are horrible. Sonny boy made money on his daddy's name. It stinks.

              However, Hunter using his dad's name to enrich himself, as slimy as it is, isn't a crime. Even if it probably should be.

          • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:37AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:37AM (#1021047)

            Whataboutism again huh?

            Yeah, when you can't argue facts, only present alternative facts, I would be yelling, "Look Over There!" too.

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:54PM (2 children)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:54PM (#1021345) Journal

              No, he was requesting a citation.

              And you failed to provide one.

              So I'll say it again.

              [CITATION NEEDED]

              I'll be here enjoying the peaceful crickets.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:10PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:10PM (#1021432)

                It's difficult to provide citations for 50 years worth of bad behavior. There's any number of votes where he opted to benefit the rich and powerful at the expense of the regular people. Whether the money is literally being stolen in the illegal way or stolen via giveaways to the rich and powerful that are funded by shifting tax burden onto those that can least afford it is a bit of a moot point.

                There's a reason why he's sometimes known as the Senator from MBNA.

                Biden has regularly fallen on the wrong side of significant votes and there's no reason to believe that he'll finally get religion and start doing things that benefit regular people. The only reason that he's the nominee is that nobody bothered to vet him. None of his oponents went after him on his terrible record and the media didn't either.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:36PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:36PM (#1021518)

                  Pffft, get fucked troll

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:42AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:42AM (#1021163)

            Biden has a 50 year history of supporting terrible policy and he shows know sign of having learned anything. He's still going to veto medicare for all even if it manages to arrive at his desk having been passed in both chambers of congress. He's still going to support measures by the credit card industry to continue to fleece consumers and he's still going to continue all the horrible neoliberal policies that have pretty much destroyed the country. Just look at the people that he wants to appoint. Billionaires and Wall St., people in charge or relevant financial departments is more or less a recipe for further stealing whatever hasn't yet been stolen.

            Yeah, we can trust him to pinkie swear that he's not going to rob us blind the way that all the other neoliberals and protofascists have.

      • (Score: 1, Redundant) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:50AM (1 child)

        Better disorganized, inefficient crime than criminals who have their racket down to a science.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:59AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:59AM (#1020988)

          As usual you come up with a stupid troll response to maintain your world view.

          You're the worst buzzy boy.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:17AM (3 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:17AM (#1021002) Journal

        So to "fight the power" you will choose a corrupt thief who steals your money?

        They voted for Clinton?!

        I know guilt is a strange concept to you what with being a Trumper and all. Guilt is a feeling some people get when they have thoughts or do things that go against their own principles. We're all fallible, sadly you are also gullible in the extreme.

        Sounds like you're the professional guilt sink. Go forth and feel guilty.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:11PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:11PM (#1021502)

          TBH, both candidates were corrupt thieves, but Clinton was just the more corrupt of the two. When the Clintons left office they were basically broke from paying for attorneys to defend themselves. Now they're ridiculously wealthy.

          They're hardly the only ones, but they did set a new standard for benefiting from holding public office. It's more than a little hypocritical of them to take anybody else to task from wetting their beak.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:29PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:29PM (#1021513) Journal

            They're hardly the only ones, but they did set a new standard for benefiting from holding public office. It's more than a little hypocritical of them to take anybody else to task from wetting their beak.

            I don't care about the hypocrisy so much. But when you attack someone for making a poor choice, when the other options were at least as bad, that's bogus. I doubt AC was advocating voting for a third party candidate, which would be about the only excuse possible.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:40PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:40PM (#1022095)

            Well hindsight is 20/20 and all but "Clinton was just the more corrupt of the two" is an obvious falsehood.

            I know, you need to keep believing that in order to maintain your worldview, but sadly Trump was way way way worse and currently has the blood of 100k+ and rising US citizens on his hands on top of his corrupt gifts of tax payer money to organizations that do not need it along with his personal embezzlement and emolument violations. Don't forget his obstructions of justice to prevent people from finding out more about his crimes, or his verifiably horrendous track record of lies as the POTUS.

            You should be ashamed for not regretting your choice, even with HRC being as terrible as she is.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:30PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:30PM (#1021217)

        The "corrupt thief" is the only one who has even talked about the massive offshoring of US jobs. Meanwhile his opposition, who are supposedly the friend of US laborers, have smilled and watched as all those blue-collare and tech-collar jobs left.
        If you really want a Democrat to win, just have them address that and also support the 2nd amendment: BOOM. We'll have a Democrat president.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:48PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:48PM (#1021224)

          That's the thing, the two parties are perfectly capable of bipartisanship, it's just that they can only do it when it's going to screw over the voters or kill brown people in another country.

          Neither party is going to sit idly by while the government does things to help people better themselves without wetting their beaks.

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