Linus Torvalds approved on Friday a new and more inclusive terminology for the Linux kernel code and documentation.
Going forward, Linux developers have been asked to use new terms for the master/slave and blacklist/whitelist terminologies.
The Linux team did not recommend any specific terms but asked developers to choose as appropriate.
The new terms are to be used for new source code written for the Linux kernel and its associated documentation.
The older terms, considered inadequate now, will only be allowed for maintaining older code and documentation, or "when updating code for an existing (as of 2020) hardware or protocol specification that mandates those terms."
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:06AM (67 children)
So an operating kernel isn't even safe from this bullshit? I'm throwing out all my tech and moving to a cabin in the woods.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:19AM (31 children)
Don't forget to get rid of your Master Card.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:34AM (30 children)
anyone with a Master's degree should feel ashamed right now.
(yes, this is stupid, absurd, and we should know that words in some contexts are NOT harmful or wrong. goddammitsomuch)
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:47AM (29 children)
Anyone with a master bedroom in their home should ashamed right now.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:05AM (28 children)
some of your ancestors literally had slaves
literally kept involuntary workers in their home
imagine that - your ancestors
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:16AM (3 children)
I'm sure my ancestors, literally, we're slaves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:37AM
I cans believe dat wit you're engrish above
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:54AM
Snap! That was the best fucking comeback of all time to that shit.
You win the Internets for the day :)
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(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:03PM
Go watch some Adam Rutherford vids - or buy one of his books.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Interesting) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:39AM (16 children)
>your ancestors literally had slaves. literally kept involuntary workers in their home
Do you assume my race and heritage? Or Do you assume any member of %race% had slaves. Do you assume I came from wealth able to own slaves? Too many assumptions.
Regardless, if you really care. My ancestors were discriminated against and did not own slaves. Nor wealthy enough to do so. "involuntary workers" describes my childhood. There was always a project to work on given from my father. I praise him for giving me that work even if I hated it at the time.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Mykl on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:56AM (15 children)
I think GP was sarcastically referring to your ancestors. In other words, anyone in your family tree over the past few thousand years that may have owned slaves at some point.
Assuming 20 years per generation (historically probably not far off), you have up to 1.2 x 1030 ancestors over the past 2000 years. Even assuming 90% of your ancestors are 'shared' (i.e. branches of the family tree rejoining), that's a hell of a lot of people. At least one of them is guaranteed to have owned slaves at some point.
In other words, we are all descended from slave owners at some point in our family tree - some of us just a bit more recently than others. Does that make us all bad people?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:10AM (8 children)
> anyone in your family tree over the past few thousand years that may have owned slaves at some point.
An assumption. "May not" is as accurate as "may"
>At least one of them is guaranteed to have owned slaves at some point.
An Assumption. Guaranteed from envelop math is not evidence.
>we are all descended from slave owners at some point in our family tree
An Assumption. Do not use averages to describe individual characteristics and behavior.
>Does that make us all bad people?
All I can gather from this conversation and the topic "new terminology banning terms like master and lave" is, yes. Any genealogy judged by modern morality is original sin. It should not matter but then why are words now being changed to accommodate such original sin?
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(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:32AM (5 children)
Some how this sounds like the Bene Gesserit discussing ancestral memories.
Yeah, everyone has ancestors who did abominable things. Accept it. This doesn't mean *you* need to do abominable things.
As for renaming master-slave, blacklist, etc. Well, ok. If it makes some people uncomfortable, then it's the proper thing to do. But be *very* careful that you explicitly define what the new names mean, and pick terms that won't lead to future confusion. Some of those terms really need to be replaced anyway, because their definitions were quite sloppy, either originally, or became so through usage. Which end of a USB cable is the master? If the printer sends a signal over the cable to a computer telling it to initiate file reception is it the same as if the computer sens a signal to the printer telling it to get ready to print incoming data?
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(Score: 1) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:49AM (4 children)
>everyone has ancestors who did abominable things. Accept it. This doesn't mean *you* need to do abominable things.
Does that negate reparations? Can I call on you to pay for reparations? You admit to original sin. I ask for baptism via money to me. You are white, yes? You are wealthy, yes? You have high percentage of ancestors owning slaves, yes? I hear abominable things from you.
>If it makes some people uncomfortable, then it's the proper thing to do.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Can you predict which wheel will squeak next? When do you ignore the squeaking? I hear abominable things from you and need monetary compensation to appease my ancestors so that I may not be offended on their behalf.
> their definitions were quite sloppy, either originally, or became so through usage.
In isolation I would probably agree with you. Context is very important.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:24AM (3 children)
No.
No.
I do not.
Good luck with that.
No. I am multicolored.
That depends on your point of view. Based on my income level, I am absolutely not wealthy in this society (or most any other).
Nope. My ancestors were poor Eastern Europeans who have been discriminated against, harassed, murdered and abused for centuries.
(Score: 2, Informative) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:26PM (2 children)
Correction. Many of your ancestors. Most of them, however, occurred before Europe even had a name.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:07PM (1 child)
I amend my previous statement to be:
Asshole.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:29AM
Some of your ancestors were prosimians. They didn't always act politely.
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(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:03AM (1 child)
That may be true, but is not a refutation of the argument posed. It's classic whattaboutism. You can't prove the absense of a property within members of a set by finding an individual without that property. To refute a claim "there exists an X with property P" you need to put forward an argument that "all X do not have property P". All you've done is claim "there exists an X without property P".
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1) by PaperNoodle on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:08PM
No whattaboutism. I didn't bring up any accusation to deflect the topic. I quoted the position and rebutted. I can be wrong or have faulty logic. That's not whattaboutism. Your comment demonstrates as much by arguing the logic or lack there of.
A statement made with "may" which does not change its meaning with "may not" is a weak position and built on underlying assumptions. We may find the answer to fusion in 15 years. We may solve X. We may not solve X. Something is required to solve X that is assumed can happen in the way that supports my position as demonstrated by this math on my napkin. I assume that is enough evidence to solve X.
I proved as much as GP proved. I did so with less assumptions. I do not need to prove anything until there is something to actually prove or counter prove.
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(Score: 4, Touché) by hendrikboom on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:11AM (1 child)
and likewise, we are all descended from slaves.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:40AM
(Score: 2) by inertnet on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:58AM (3 children)
I have researched all of them down to the 15th and 16th century. None of them ever had anything to do with slavery. All of them were simple farmers, farm workers and other average people. Based on my haplogroup it is a possibility that a male ancestor of mine entered Europe as a slave, some 25 thousand years ago.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:09AM (2 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by inertnet on Monday July 27 2020, @10:22PM (1 child)
I only just saw your questions. Actually the Catholic church kept very accurate baptismal, marriage and death records and many of them can be researched online. It's more than 10 years ago and I forgot where I created my family tree. Others have taken over and added more information. I remember finding only one blood related marriage among many, because it mentions a "marriage permission for cosanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree" in 1727. The oldest confirmed record of a direct ancestor I could find was from 1462.
Other than that I have a list of people who, like me, participated in a DNA research program. They differ 6 to 15 mutations from me. In context this means that our most recent common ancestor lived roughly 500 years ago for the 6 mutation difference, to very roughly 1250 years ago for the 15 mutation difference. I've never been able to connect any of their family trees to mine though.
My haplogroup migrated out of Africa around 25k years ago, long after the first waves of human migration. As a result of slavery would be a plausible scenario, but of course nobody will ever know what really happened that long ago.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday July 28 2020, @12:15AM
What was proferred as a response, however, tells me all I need to know.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:58AM
You mean, people like me - smart people, finest in our class -owned other people? What? Respectable, erudite people like me who can dispute the exact meaning of ancestor until it disappears? Not me.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:58AM (1 child)
How do you know with any degree of certainty?
And even if true, why should the sins of my ancestors affect me?
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:11AM
Try to understand a poster's point before responding to it.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:01PM
SO FUCKING WHAT?
If you go the slippery slope of collective responsibility, you both provide a shield for those who succeed in making you believe they were oppressed to perpetrate arbitrary acts of violence, and you create a class of enemies to fight against.
Not that I care about the violence itself, it's always been like that and it will stop only when a WORSE system gets operative. It is YOU that should be caring about YOUR SOUL.
It's not only a matter of religion "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK INIQUITY". It is about your life becoming somebody else's weapon.
Linux adopting newspeak? it is time to fork.
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:13PM (1 child)
Is your last name Farrier? Baker? Cooper? Faulkner? Fisher? Sawyer? Thatcher? Wright? Or is your last name based on the location where you were a serf, or maybe from the name of the lord that owned the land? Perhaps you are Slavic in descent, where so many of you were forced into servitude that your peoples name was used to mean an enslaved person.
What is happening here is that you have a group of people who is closer to when they were considered slaves, and in a position to complain about it. Something only a free people can do. The actual slaves in Africa and the Middle East today do not have this luxury.
I would rather see the evils that we have done and understand the history of it, than erase them from our history and hide that they ever occurred.
To add to the list of things we need to do away with we need also consider some greetings, Ciao in particular,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao [wikipedia.org]
Slavery has existed in the world since the first conquered hunter-gatherer some tens of thousands of years ago offered to work in exchange for his life, and we have been trying to right that wrong ever since.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:21PM
Millennials will bring back debt slavery, and it will be glorious.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:30PM
no they didn't, you stupid fucking bolshevik bitch.
(Score: -1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:25AM (8 children)
Just wait until November when Trump wins and all the SJWs commit suicide. Linus can then use git to revert all this nonsense.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:04AM (7 children)
Does that mean you incels will commit suicide if Trump loses?
It isn't worth it man, Trump doesn't deserve your loyalty and neither does any current sitting GOP senator. Don't let it get you down, you'll be OK and with universal healthcare you can finally get some of those health problems taken care of. The body is a temple, if it is unhealthy your soul suffers.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:35AM (5 children)
You're being too optimistic. Biden is better than Trump, but that's really damning with faint praise.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:32AM (4 children)
Wait until the debates. I think it's increasingly obvious that Biden is entering the mid to later stages of either Alzheimer's or dementia. He is just seriously not with it in the head at all anymore. Even when reciting scripted speeches he just invariably gets confused at some point. It's because of this reason I suspect that the DNC will take the unprecedented step of trying to prevent there from being any debates. They will likely use COVID as the justification.
My main concern is that Biden will just work as a figurehead while the establishment pushes us towards war with China and Russia. Trump is a twit but a twit that has actually managed to be the first president in decades that hasn't significantly expanding our international war enterprise. I'll take trade wars over cold wars any day.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:18PM
It really is very sad. I was the caretaker for an elderly family member with advanced dementia (medially certified) for a number of years and watching Biden speak is painful. I talked with the doctor about signs and tells you could look for for differentiating normal memory loss with age to dementia, and Biden sadly falls squarely on the dementia side. For a while I was convinced this had to do with Biden's long history of stuttering and dealing with it using word replacement to avoid the trigger words, but that is not what we are seeing anymore.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:31AM (2 children)
Look, a doorknob would be better than Trump. At least it wouldn't decide to do things out of malice or desire for praise.
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(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:14AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @07:21AM
I do not really agree with this. In my view Trump is using JFK as his model. I suspect he ultimately wouldn't even really mind going out the same way. When he was pushing hard for a return to American excellence in space (including trying to accelerate a moon landing), he was clearly just trying to mimic, in rather overt fashion, the path to historicity that JFK took. But there's also something else very relevant about JFK. After JFK took a bullet to the head is when the military industrial complex started to skyrocket in influence, growth, and overall power. It was none other than General Eisenhower (the president prior to JFK) who said: [wikipedia.org]
I've gradually grown to like Trump because of his seeming effort to push back against the military industrial complex. Doesn't hurt that I also absolutely despise political correctness and its associated evils. But beyond this, the next decade is going to be one of the most important in our history. The reason is that we're at an international inflection point. China is already the wold's largest [wikipedia.org] economic superpower by a rapidly widening margin and soon will be larger than both the US and EU combined. Right behind them now is also India who has a hyper-accelerating economy that is expected to overcome the US within a decade.
This sort of stuff is likely giving the establishment in DC nightmares because it all effectively spells the end of US dominance... unless. And that "unless" part is what I *really* don't want to see. Biden will be useless as a president because his mental faculties are clearly already on the way out. And he's going to required to pick a VP probably based more on race/gender than on ability. And that VP, who will likely become the president if Biden wins, is likely going to be more interested in identity politics than in actually stopping us from getting into a war from which we may never extricate ourselves, certainly not favorably. Just feels like we may be looking at the beginning of the war with Eastasia. Though of course all such documents of the future will recognize we've always truly been at war with Eastasia.
If we had a genuine anti-war liberal, especially one who didn't play identity politics so much, I'd vote for them in a heart beat - but given our current scenario, I am thinking I will likely suck it up and give a vote to the orange man.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:42PM
Some of us out here have *no* loyalty to *any* USian side, not being USian ourselves. Ah, you might argue, Trump being in charge of the US is 'bad for the rest of the world', but hey, I already know this to be true, as I've heard it from the lips of one of our blessed 'moderate leftist' politicians (In US terms, he'd be somewhere on your filthy commie scale as a 'Stalinist/Maoist'), of course, being a politician, he would not lie...and if people like him were in charge of the US, all would be sweetness and light.....aye, right, my arse, it would.
The sentiment behind the other AC's comment 'Just wait until November when Trump wins and all the SJWs commit suicide.' is shared by a lot of us out here who, while not being fans of Trump, we do however appreciate (as in, get the popcorn in lads, this promises to be fun...) the tantrums his tantrums inspire in the fuckwits lumped under the 'SJW' banner.
Looking in from out here, some of us don't see much of a difference in the gross between your two political parties (especially when it comes to their attitude to the rest of the world..), so, Trump's a fuckwit, big deal, so was Obama, and Clinton, and Shrub...but hey, we say the same about our fuckwits in power, so please don't take this as a specific criticism.
Anyhoo, they don't have to do the species a favour and kill themselves, they could all claim political asylum in Canada, I hear they've embraced the SJW/Alphabetsoupgender/Woke nonsense up there hook, line and stinker(sic)...I'm sure the Canucks would be glad to have so many like minded fellow travellers on board their fun little social experiment...
(Score: 4, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:33AM (4 children)
What? You reckon an OS kernel can't function without the symbol names containing 'blacklist' and 'slave' or what?
If you do so, stay there, don't get out as Unabomber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:24AM (1 child)
Or worse yet, the Unaboomer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:00AM
*Uberdoomer
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:44PM
>What? You reckon an OS kernel can't function without the symbol names containing 'blacklist' and 'slave' or what?
I reckon this is only the beginning. Once you bow to this BULLSHIT they won't stop and come up with something else. The slippery slope is a fallacy only when you don't see it happening year after year.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:35PM
Of course colo would defend this shit, along with way too many Aussies. Pitiful.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:37AM (19 children)
I've renamed my blacklist to motherfucker, my whitelist to pussy, and renamed my slave drive to cocksucker. I need a name for my Kaepernick collection... Any suggestions?
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:40AM (18 children)
Mediocre?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:59AM (17 children)
As a hero he is pretty mediocre I'll grant you that.
Now MLK, that dude was a real hero. Schindler was another hero, putting his life on the line with fucing Nazis to save lives. Rosa Parks, heroine of the best kind. Can't forget Lincoln, the President with the balls to put down racist traitors! Or Doy Gorton who worked so hard for Civil Rights while trying to educate people on the reality of southern US states.
It saddens me that some people hate the idea of mutual respect, but thankfully the average American is learning to drop the outdated divisive hatred.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:40AM (15 children)
You need to study a bit of history. Lincoln *was* a hero, but his goal was to keep the Union together. Freeing the slaves was not one of his priorities, despite many of the southern folk acting as if it was. When he *did* decide to free the slaves (Emancipation Proclamation) it only applied to those within areas in revolt against the US government.
That his goals weren't the current ones doesn't keep him from being a hero, but he wasn't the particular hero you're trying to make him into. Freeing the slaves was, to him, mainly a tactical maneuver in the winning of the Civil War. Yes, he thought freeing the slaves was the proper action without respect to the war, but as president he wouldn't have lifted one finger to accomplish is if the South hadn't tried to withdraw from the Union.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:21AM
I actually have heard that bit, but it was too good of a poke at potential jackasses to pass up. Regardless of his personal motivations the results were what mattered.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:44AM (6 children)
Absolutely right, but you won't read that in school textbooks. The Emancipation Proclamation was a tool of war, and explicitly did not apply to slaves in the Union.
Anyway, TFA: why does anyone think "blacklist" and "Whitelist" have anything to do with race? Black and white are colors, specifically in this case the absence or presence of light.
It's not even people with melanin driving this. It's entirely SJWs taking offense on other people's behalf. Pathetic, and more pathetic to give in to it. Give these idiots one concession and they will expect the next.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:24PM (1 child)
And these kind of progressions never seem to acknowledge the existence of a greylist. I'm sure whatever they come up with will be a mouthful.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:26PM
Greylist and Greenlist are offensive toward alien visitors. :D
I'm not sure about Graylist...
CYA
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:23PM
Boy are you wrong, you are probably on the take from the spotlight industrial complex.
https://level.medium.com/the-unintentional-racism-found-in-traffic-signals-b2899c34fefb?gi=sd [medium.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:06PM (1 child)
Apart from what's now West Virginia, how many Union states even had slaves? The emancipation proclamation freed a ton of slaves as the Union army advanced.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:13AM
Mostly it was the border states [civildiscourse-historyblog.com]: Kentucky, Missouri, and Maryland had the vast majority, with West Virginia a distant fourth. Aside from that, there were maybe a couple thousand in Delaware, and a handful in New Jersey and in the various Western territories.
Overall, according to the 1860 census, there were roughly 450,000 slaves in Union states and territories, out of about 4 million in the entire U.S. In other words, the Emancipation Proclamation left roughly 11-12% of the total slaves in the pre-Civil War U.S. enslaved in Union areas because Lincoln couldn't afford to piss off people in the border states and ruin their economies in the middle of the war. And of course, slaves in the South weren't really "freed" by a law that was passed by a "foreign government" to them at the time, so only places where the army liberated slaves were they truly freed (unless they escaped themselves from the South).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @09:25PM
Actually, it was in the textbook, and the teacher made a point of talking about it.
(Score: 2) by quietus on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:35PM (5 children)
Bold statements require strong proof. Sources please.
(Score: 3, Informative) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:29PM (2 children)
Read the original document. It's in English, and isn't too long. My class read it in High School History/Social Studies.
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(Score: 2) by quietus on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:08PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday July 16 2020, @09:51PM
If I understand correctly what your question is, look for text starting with:
That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Congress of the United States by
from:
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/abraham-lincolns-emancipation-proclamation [battlefields.org]
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:15PM
try again
over a billion people still believe the bullshit spoken by a camel fucking pedophile centuries ago with no proof
(Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:49PM
FTFY
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:21PM
Which is the reason he was a member of the Free Soil Party, before joining the newly formed Republicans? What is this, Whig history?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:38PM
If this isn't a troll, you're a brainwashed idiot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:17AM
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Mykl on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:13AM (8 children)
I was going to use a different set of colors - e.g. Greenlist / Redlist, but I may inadvertently offend Native Americans, Socialists or the GOP with the term "Red".
Perhaps we should use PlusList and UnPlusList? That would be DoublePlus Good.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:23AM (2 children)
Capitalist / Socialist ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @05:34AM (1 child)
Lists of Color
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:59AM
#AllColorsMatter
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:03AM
Fucklist / Cuntlist
Everyone's happy.
(Score: 5, Informative) by toddestan on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:45AM (2 children)
But here, red is the good color. Green is that other site.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:41AM
Go and pick "Vomit" in the "Select Theme" DDB [soylentnews.org], it's as good as the "Default".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:41PM
I rethemed my SN with black theming, you insensitive clod.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:43PM
I accuse you of colorism against colorblind people!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:17AM (52 children)
They needlessly anthropomize computers, which are after all not sentient or intelligent (yet?). I would have started off using terms like block-list/pass-list, director/executor, source/sink, and so on. Isn't that closer to the reality on the ground anyway?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:31AM (12 children)
I looked into blacklist and it goes way back to the 16th century or thereabouts. The fact that people are getting offended by things like that is a pretty clear indication that there's little actual work to be done other than to allow things to take their natural course. At some point, individuals and groups need to step up to create something new. It's been that way with numerous other groups to the point where many of them are no longer acknowledge to have gone through persecution. For example, the Germans during the World Wars in the US were badly mistreated, but you don't hear people talking about the language being banned from schools or the thousands that wound up in American concentration camps during WWII.
The reality is that some groups seem to have figured it out and others haven't and it's not even really a matter of skin color either as Africans that immigrated to the US more recently don't seem to be affected by racism to the same extent as those that have been here for generations.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:48AM (7 children)
No. People are getting offended because the current political sensibilities have been rubbed raw in this area. People always react to the way they understand symbols (and words count as symbols, though of a particular type) rather than to the historical context that generated the symbols. E.g., I have speculated that the term "son of a bitch" started out as a politer form of the term "dog" (as in "seadog", "'til the last dog is hung", etc.). These days the improper meaning of dog has faded away, because nobody uses it anymore, but "Son of a bitch" is improper enough that it's often referred to by its initials. The other examples I can think of off the top of my head have antique forms that are still grossly improper, or have modern forms that are sufficiently improper that I tend to censor them even online.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:22PM (5 children)
People are "getting offended" because now there is profit in it. Before, in the times when a grown man making hysterics was looked at with contempt, those same people would "grin and bear it" instead. Opportunism at its best (or worst).
The problem is, the ancient wrongs and rights entirely notwithstanding, the "offended class" creates social friction where before there was none. Social friction slows down the economy and progress, by making every action and transaction costlier, harder, and slower. Now compound that with COVID, "green economy" and whatever else, and you get societal suicide.
What the "offended class" is led to forget, is that barbarians on future ruins of their cushy welfare society will offend them for real.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Reziac on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:30AM (4 children)
"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs -- partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."
-- Booker T Washington, Up From Slavery (1911)
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:28AM (3 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:34AM (2 children)
He makes a good point!
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:25PM (1 child)
Your quote's better though, there's something about the 100+ years of forewarning, as well as the preciser language, that gives it more gravitas.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:47PM
I've paid zero attention to Kanye so no idea, but took it to mean the obvious... any situation you continue living in that long, you're not making much effort to get out of.
The Booker T quote gets a lot of use... sure does point up that some things never change. And it's a fantastic book... right up to where he figures out that he can get more funding for his school by begging it from rich folks than from doing for himself. Yeah, they needed the funding regardless, but there's a fundamental change in his attitude that really saddened me. But the first few chapters are quintessential bootstrapping.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:21AM
You do realize that there is an actual field called etymology where experts trace things like this, right?
And if you spent maybe 5 minutes looking into this, you'd realize you're wrong. While the "female dog" meaning of "bitch" is the original one, the word has been used contemptuously for women since around 1400, which is roughly the time "biche-sone" arrived in Middle English, roughly meaning "son of a slut." ("Dog" has a very long history in English as a derogatory word for people, so "bitch" for a whore goes back a LONG way.) By the time the actual phrase "son of a bitch" is seen in English around 1700, the word "bitch" had been implying "whore" for over 300 years.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:48PM (1 child)
Ban the German language! Nazis were evil! Ban the evil language!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:09PM
It's worth noting that the Supreme Court ruled language bans to be unconstitutional in 1921, which was years before there was such a thing as a Nazi.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @09:41PM (1 child)
Germans are 60% of the US population - it's pretty hard for them to be bullied by racists.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:59PM
And yet it happened during and after both World Wars. The reality is that there's a bunch of us that have genes from that part of Europe, but those with an actual cultural connection of some sort are a minority.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:35AM (22 children)
Those terms were originally created by nerds, i.e. people that we know today to score high on the functional-autism spectrum. Nerds are notoriously socially inept, and most of them relate more to computers and machines than to other human beings. Therefore it's not surprising that they would have a tendancy to anthropomorphize said computers and machines.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:43AM
... and not relating to other people, who may be offended/upset by the use of some words?
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 4, Interesting) by driverless on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:49AM (19 children)
Blacklists weren't, in (approximately) IT use they go back to financiers who used cheque blacklists and later credit card blacklists, originally printed out on paper and mailed to stores, and in pre-IT times they go back decades if not centuries, see e.g. "Hollywood blacklist". So geeks just used a well-established term with a widely-known meaning.
And that's the problem with this touchy-feely "did not recommend any specific terms but asked developers to choose as appropriate", if I see "blacklist" and "whitelist" I know exactly what I'm dealing with, but if I see "noodlelist" and "meatballlist" I have to spend ages reverse-engineering metadata to figure out what on earth each one is. If you're going to replace long-established terms that have a known meaning then at least come up with a unified replacement for them.
And figure out what to use in place of greylist, which accompanies whitelist and blacklist.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:51AM (11 children)
There's other issues. For example, you can have white lists, blacklists and greylists for use with your email. With other colors that wouldn't work and with other words it gets rather complicated. People generally know what two of those words are already, the third doesn't require much explanation that it's in between the two options.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:01AM (3 children)
blacklist = badlist
whitelist = goodlist
graylist = ???
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:36AM
blacklist = badlist
whitelist = goodlist
graylist = doubleplusungoodlist
(Score: 3, Interesting) by hendrikboom on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:17AM
delaylist?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:06AM
Badlist and Goodlist are associated with santa claus. As a devout atheist and anti-consumerist I renounce your trying to oppress me with your christian words.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:02AM (6 children)
"block-list/pass-list/, director/executor, source/sink"
Time to exercise that imagination instead of that emotional outrage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:46AM
Playing sport, making a film, running software, leaking information and washing my hands of it all.
Why do you hate me bigot?
(Score: 3, Touché) by chromas on Wednesday July 15 2020, @06:15AM
Emotional outrage is the entire reason for changing the terms in the first place.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:11AM (3 children)
Nope, can't use executor (nor executive) because it has associations with capital punishment.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:52AM
Hmmm … “Chief Executive Officer”? But then “capitalism” and “capital punishment” obviously share linguistic roots, so maybe it fits. ;-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:02PM (1 child)
the highest title in our company is now "secretary"
let that sink in for a moment
and yes occupied by a female at the moment
(Score: 4, Funny) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @05:29PM
IF IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR STALIN IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU
sheesh
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(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:02AM (5 children)
Because allow/deny is such a hard terminology that the next easier choice is noddle/meat, right?
Do you have a speech impediment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:52AM (4 children)
allow/deny is a poor choice because both terms have two syllables. pass/fail would work though. So would do/skip. And lots of other choices. Getting a new consensus, however, maybe difficult.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:10AM (1 child)
Rrright. Even more so because Microsoft uses allow/deny for their ACL and Linux must never adopt Microsoft terminology (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Wednesday July 15 2020, @05:29AM
Considering that if they did Microsoft would probably use it as grounds for a lawsuit so it might be for the best. (big grin)
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @05:36AM (1 child)
That has sexual connotations that are offensive to those of us on the skip list.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:24AM
Not to mention ableist concerns. Many disabled people are not capable of skipping.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:11AM
"account balance being in black" seems to be good to their mind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:43AM
Whoever modded that flamebait is a tool
(Score: 5, Funny) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:36AM
stop anthropom[...]ing computers. they *hate* that.
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:45AM (3 children)
"they" being humans. Anthropomorphize everything.
"I would have". Good for you. "Black" and "White" as terms have a usage in common parlance for centuries and millennia without a racial connotation. When you look for offense you will find it. The Salem witch trials did find witches. It's too bad that witches are fiction.
"closer to the reality on the ground anyway". No. Lists are inherently hierarchical and represent capitalist misogynistic imperialism and colonialism. Bigot. "Block" and "pass" are transphobic slurs used by bigots to stereotype "passable traps".
If you want to speak like a robot divorced from any linguistic flair or cultural heritage from a paucity of expression be my guest. Don't expect others to adhere to your grey newspeak based on offense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:37AM (2 children)
Beware the "die trap" message I've seen in response to SIGTERM. I lol every time I see it because I'm just waiting for some cis-gendered liberal luser to freak out about it. I just never remember what program it is that does that, because it's a stupid message that makes me laugh. Some "die" event happened (sigterm?), and it was trapped, maybe, probably, and somebody felt the need to announce this to stderr.
Suggestion for how to deal with that: don't let cis-gendered liberals use computers. Malcolm X said a lot about white liberals that is roughly applicable to cis-gendered ones.
The outrage pours in over some stupid comment say J.K. Rowling made which could have been effectively answered with "so what you're saying is that women turn into men at age 55?" or just ignored. Nobody even attempted to educate her and help her do better (assuming what she said was a slur and I'm not convinced it was--girls tend to have menstrual cycles, but some have dicks). Why not get outraged about the sorry state of women's healthcare instead and promote single payer healthcare? Why not get outraged that the right to abortion is not held in the same regard as the right to free speech and the right to bear weapons?
Well, that might "cost" the 1%ers money (in truth they will merely accumulate it at a slightly slower rate), but outrage "journalism" makes money. There are things worthy of being outraged about. Creating a new class of swear/taboo words is not helpful.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @09:29PM (1 child)
Somebody needs a human anatomy class, or some "girl" convinced them that "some have dicks".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:32PM
pro-trans propaganda > biology education
(Score: 1) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:18AM (1 child)
>They needlessly anthropomize computers
Server! Check please.
Server:80 GET /Check
What's the difference?
B3
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @05:40PM
about 50 dollars
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @06:48AM (2 children)
Why do you hate white people? Why don't white lives matter to you? Why are you obsessed with trying to get people to say the n-word? You use it more than EF does.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:17PM (1 child)
TBH, it's just easier than doing the work to build the community up. Blaming things on the white devils is a really good way of avoiding having to ever take responsibility. Some communities recognize that a broken taillight is a legitimate reason to be pulled over, some don't. Care to guess which group winds up being ticketed and hauled off to jail more?
I'm going to laugh my ass off when we're no longer a majority white country and these people start to realize just how much of this was their own doing.
Severely oppressed groups in the US have managed to overcome it, it's just that they didn't waste time looking for reasons to be offended.
Living in a racist society is going to be hard and the standards are going to be higher for those that want to achieve something. But, knee capping yourself by breaking laws, giving the police an excuse to use violence and not taking school seriously just compounds things.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:44PM
They will never learn. 100 years after they have murdered and bred out all the whites and the infrastructure we designed is in crumbled ruins they will be blaming the legacy of white oppression, or some shit. We have to separate ASAP.
The White Nationalist Manifesto: https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=31425122 [thepiratebay.org]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:37PM (2 children)
Oh, sure. Yeah that definitely isn't in hindsight, you would've done that anyway
bullshit
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:42AM (1 child)
I'm not joking. I first ran across the master/slave terminology in fourth grade and remember being squicked out even then, and that was almost a quarter of a century ago.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:23AM
Prepubescent triggered is a thing.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:57PM
>They needlessly anthropomize computers
They don't anthropomorphize by using black(a color)list. Those that read blacklist, antrhopomorphize, baselessly connect that with a supremacist stance, get offended, and protest, do.
But I can see the programming of leftist does not contemplate the case of their side doing wrong, so I appreciate your rationalizing around it.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:12PM (1 child)
Closer to reality?
It started out having absolutely nothing to do with Africa apparently. So people that want to see blacklist as a negative, and that the black component of the word references people with black skin, or suffering from that cognitive bias where you see what you want to see. So blacklist was actually very close to reality, in that it was an actual list of entities that were undesirable and not allowed.
Where the problem may have arise was the use of whitelist. As near as I can tell, it was created to be the exact opposite of blacklist. So again, people see what they want to see. The terms are much close to reality than you assume.
As for master/slave, I don't know the origins of those terms exactly.
Personally, I don't give a fuck. Just as long as it is documented. If I see blocklist/passlist, that is something I understand. So as long as the meanings are clear, and I can continue to work with the terms, I'm good. Allow/Deny is also popular, and I've seen those terms used in many different projects along with blocklist/passlist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:54PM
Well, speaking as a Slav, I object to the cultural appropriation of the term bolded above by the schwartzes and their stooges, there are quite a number of words in the various African languages (and they pre-date contact with whitey...go figure...) to describe what their leaders and the Arabs sold them into, use them tnstead..
It's use in technical terminology?, fine.