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from the no-APU-for-you dept.

AMD Launches 12 Desktop Renoir Ryzen 4000G Series APUs: But You Can't Buy Them

Today AMD is finally lifting the lid on its long-awaited desktop Zen2 based APU family. Using the same silicon as in the Ryzen Mobile 4000 family, AMD is pumping it up into 35 W and 65 models in the same AM4 platform that is in use today. There has been strong demand from PC builders to release these chips, which were on the topics of forum conversation all the way back at CES. There's only one downside to these new processors: you can't buy them on their own. AMD states that the initial release of Ryzen 4000G hardware is for OEMs like Dell and HP only for their pre-built systems.

The new processors use the same 8-core Zen2 plus 8 compute unit Vega that we saw in Ryzen Mobile 4000 at the beginning of the year, but as with previous APU launches, the frequency and power thermals have been pushed up into more manageable desktop environments. To that end, AMD will be launching hardware in the Ryzen 7, Ryzen 5, and Ryzen 3 product lines at both 65 W and 35 W, all on the AM4 platform.

[...] Just to be clear, AMD specified OEM and not system integrators (SIs). On our call, AMD clarified that the market for its APUs is skewed very heavily towards the big mass-market prebuilt customers like HP and Dell, rather than custom home builds. The numbers quoted were around 80% of all APU sales end up in these systems, and by working with OEMs only, AMD can also help manage stock levels of the Renoir silicon coming out of the fabs between desktops and notebooks.

[...] AMD says that they are planning a consumer-grade release of APUs 'soon'. It was stated in our briefing call that there will be a launch of a future Zen2 APU for the consumer market compatible with 500-series motherboards. The company specifically did not say 400-series, but did clarify that the 4000G series announced today was for 400 and 500 series.

Also at Tom's Hardware, TechRadar, Guru3D, and Ars Technica.

See also: AMD Ryzen 4000 Renoir APUs Have Started Invading AIO PCs
AMD Ryzen 7 4700G Renoir APU With Vega 8 GPU Is Almost As Fast As Entry-Level Discrete Graphics When Overclocked
AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G Renoir 8 Core CPU Benchmarks Leak Out, On Par With Ryzen 7 3800X & Core i7-10700K
AMD Ryzen 7 4700G APU Overclocked To 4.8 GHz Across All 8 Cores, DDR4-4400 & 2200 MHz FCLK Achieved Too – Blows Away The Ryzen 7 3700X


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AMD Announces Ryzen 5000G "Cezanne" Desktop APUs 11 comments

AMD has announced "Cezanne" desktop APUs with Zen 3 cores and Vega integrated graphics:

AMD has officially launched its next-generation Ryzen 5000G APUs codenamed Cezanne which features the brand new Zen 3 core architecture. The AMD Ryzen 5000G APUs are aimed at the consumer segment with an initial supply coming to OEM PCs first and later heading out to the gaming & mainstream DIY segment.

The AMD Ryzen 7 5700G will be the flagship offering within the lineup. It will feature 8 cores and 16 threads. The clock speeds are reported at a 3.8 GHz base and a 4.6 GHz boost. The CPU will carry a total of 16 MB L3 and 4 MB L2 cache with the TDP being set at 65W. The APU will also carry a Vega integrated GPU with 8 CUs or 512 stream processors running at clock speeds around 2.0 GHz. The 35W Ryzen 7 5700GE will feature the same specs but reduced core clocks of 3.2 GHz base and 4.6 GHz boost. The CPU should retail at around $350-$400 US.

Unlike the previous-generation "Renoir" desktop APUs, these processors should eventually see a retail release, but will only be offered by OEMs for now.

AMD has also launched OEM-only Ryzen 9 5900 and Ryzen 7 5800 CPUs with lower TDPs and clock speeds than their X counterparts.

Also at AnandTech.


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Laptop Vendors Will Pair AMD's Cezanne (Zen 3) with High-End GPUs 16 comments

Vendors Finally Pair Ryzen CPUs and High-End GPUs In Laptops

AMD's Ryzen 4000 (Renoir) processors may be mobile powerhouses, but for reasons unknown, laptop vendors were reluctant to pair the Zen 2 chips with high-end graphics cards. Ryzen 5000 (Cezanne), on the other hand, appears to have won over manufacturers as there are already retailer postings of upcoming laptops (via Tum_Apisak) with options that span up to a GeForce RTX 3080.

[...] The Ryzen 9 5900HX broke its cover recently, but the Zen 3 chip's secret remains to be unraveled. It's plausible that the Ryzen 9 5900HX is just a faster variant of its H-series counterpart or that AMD may have finally unlocked the multiplier for enthusiasts to overclock the processor, like what Intel allows with its HK-series SKUs.

[...] No one has any idea of when AMD will release Ryzen 5000, but the sudden appearance of benchmark submissions and retailer listings point to an imminent launch. CES 2020 is coming up, and AMD President and CEO Dr. Lisa Su is scheduled to deliver the keynote speech. It would be the ideal venue to announce the mobile Zen 3 chips since the desktop counterparts are already out.

"Cezanne" is the Zen 3 version of AMD's Zen 2 "Renoir" 4000-series APUs. "Lucienne" will consist of Zen 2 APUs (a Renoir refresh) confusingly given the same 5000-series naming as Cezanne.

One of the common theories behind a lack of high-end GPU options has been that AMD's Renoir limits a discrete mobile GPU to a PCIe 3.0 x8 connection (instead of x16), which can be a slight bottleneck for higher end mobile GPUs. Others believe it's just due to OEMs cheaping out on AMD systems.

Upcoming mobile GPUs (like the mobile RTX 3080 mentioned) could bring up to 16 GB of VRAM to laptops.

See also: AMD Radeon RX 6000M RDNA 2 Mobility GPUs Based on Navi 22, Navi 23, Navi 24 SKUs Further Detailed – Die Sizes, TGPs, Clock Limits

Related: AMD Ryzen 4000 'Renoir' APU Runs Crysis Without Any Cooling Solution
AMD Succeeds in its 25x20 Goal: 2020 "Renoir" Over 31 Times More Efficient than 2014 "Kaveri" Chips
AMD Launches Ryzen 4000G Desktop APUs: OEM-Only at First


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  • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:45PM (1 child)

    by Subsentient (1111) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:45PM (#1024766) Homepage Journal

    I'm rocking a Ryzen 3 2200G right now on my main desktop. I just wanted a basic GPU able to run a few games at low settings without lag, and a CPU beefy enough not to make compile times excruciating.

    It's a couple generations old now, and this CPU still has excellent single core performance compared to significantly more expensive Intel chips. The Vega iGPU really skullfucks the hell out of Intel's iGPU offering, too.

    When these chips become available for home builders, I might consider upgrading.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:36PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:36PM (#1024793) Journal

      It should be a good choice for NUC/SFF/SBCs.

      https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-implants-amd-ryzen-4000-six-core-apu-in-new-sbc [tomshardware.com]

      Intel could technically be leapfrogging AMD's iGPU performance each generation (Ice Lake vs. Picasso, Tiger Lake vs. Renoir), but they tend to have a steeper dropoff from the top SKU. For example, Ice Lake is 64 execution units at the top, dropping down to 48 EUs and 32 EUs with lower clocks. Whereas Renoir iGPU goes from 8 compute units to 7 CUs, 6 CUs, and finally 5 CUs. Also, there are no Ice Lake desktop APUs...

      AMD's rumored "Van Gogh" [videocardz.com] (Zen 2 cores + RDNA2 graphics) should also be interesting, although my guess is that it will have 4 cores max to keep a low TDP.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:47PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:47PM (#1024767)

    TSMC? Global? Samsung?

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:05PM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:05PM (#1024778) Journal

      TSMC "7nm" for the Zen 2 Renoir APUs.

      Looks like GlobalFoundries "12nm" is used for the refreshed Zen+ APUs (Athlon Gold 3150G, Athlon Silver 3050GE, etc.)

      I wouldn't be surprised to see AMD contract with Samsung in the future. They could replace GloFo for the cheaper chips.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:38PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:38PM (#1024794)

        Isn't Global the biggest foundry in Europe? Do they have any plan? Europe doesn't care about semiconductors?

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday July 22 2020, @12:02AM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday July 22 2020, @12:02AM (#1024803) Journal

          GlobalFoundries Abandons "7nm LP" Node, TSMC and Samsung to Pick Up the Slack [soylentnews.org]

          They gave up on Moore slaw, kind of.

          All of AMD's high end products are being made at TSMC now. AMD's relationship with GloFo is winding down [anandtech.com].

          GloFo's "12nm+" process node is far from terrible, but it can't match the various "7nm", "5nm", and "3nm" nodes coming from TSMC and Samsung.

          GloFo might push up its transistor density eventually when EUV becomes more common, or it could try to pivot to making monolithic 3D chips on its process nodes, where even something like "90nm" could outperform bleeding-edge planar chips.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by richtopia on Wednesday July 22 2020, @01:36AM

    by richtopia (3160) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 22 2020, @01:36AM (#1024827) Homepage Journal

    Damn it AMD, why do you have to screw up your numbering? For desktop 3xxx=Zen 2, but mobile/APU 4xxx=Zen 2. You still stick the G, M, or GE at the end of the number which clearly shows the market segment.

    It gets worse with the new XT chips. Both their GPU and CPUs now have four digits followed by XT as a form factor, so I wouldn't be surprise to have ambiguity in a few years between a future AMD 5600XT CPU and today's AMD RX 5600XT GPU.

    Good product, bad naming.

  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday July 22 2020, @10:36AM (2 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday July 22 2020, @10:36AM (#1024898) Journal

    One thing that has stayed pretty consistent over the years is the steep prices you pay for the newest generations. Can easily blow through $2000 to get a Zen+ system. Or you could get a Bulldozer based laptop for $200. If it's ChromeOS, can be as cheap as $100.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Wednesday July 22 2020, @11:42AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday July 22 2020, @11:42AM (#1024907) Journal

      I see 4500U [slickdeals.net] systems from $500-$600, 4700U [slickdeals.net] at $700-$800. And so on [slickdeals.net].

      You can get amazing value at the $100, $200, and $300 price points, but Renoir systems are killing it with the 2x core count uplift. Dual-core Ryzen 3 3200U systems are hanging around $200-$300, but 6-core Ryzen 5 4500U at $500-$600 is a steal.

      The Bulldozer-based A4-9120C and A6-9220C which I guess you are referring to are definitely not worth it anymore at $200.

      You are getting a pretty great value on most computers considering inflation. Today's $100 laptops can do a lot more compared to the old Atom/Fusion netbooks, and you might end up using them for thousands of hours. The biggest problem now is probably soldered RAM and segmentation of RAM. Many systems at the price points you want will be stuck at 4 GB forever. Maybe 8 GB soon now that RPi has gone there.

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      • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday July 22 2020, @02:57PM

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday July 22 2020, @02:57PM (#1024953) Journal

        Yes, I think 8G is necessary for reasonable longevity. 4G is barely good enough now. From recent experience with an old desktop (Kentsfield, 65 nm die) with 3G RAM, 3 is not enough. You can have 2 or 3 things running at a time, and it's okay. Open up half a dozen tabs in Firefox, run a couple of other apps, and the system starts thrashing the swap partition. Not sure how much overhead is from the OS, but I am running Lubuntu 20.04, so it shouldn't be too bad. Maybe if I built a custom kernel with only the drivers that system needs, that would free up a few hundred megabytes of RAM?

        And yeah, I wouldn't touch a Bulldozer based laptop for $200, and probably not for $100 either.

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