from the the-second-mouse-gets-the-cheese dept.
Empirical evidence that nice people don't always finish last:
Think your boss is a jerk? Wonder why the management of your organization consists of sociopaths? Some academic researchers suspect you're not alone, and they start their new paper with the statement, "We suffer no shortage of jerks in power." And they go on to ask the obvious question raised by this fact: "Does being a jerk help people attain power?"
To find out, the researchers set up a very long-term experiment. After administering personality surveys to undergrad and MBA students, they waited over a decade to follow up and find out which personality types had accrued power in the world of employment. The results suggest that jerks don't necessarily get ahead at work; instead, some of the consequences of being unpleasant offset the benefits that it might otherwise provide.
[...] The good news here is that, as the researchers put it, "individuals who were more selfish, combative, and deceitful did not, subsequently, attain higher power." So, nice people do not necessarily finish last. But, at the same time, nobody seems to be held back by displaying that list of behaviors on the job.
Journal Reference:
Cameron Anderson, Daron L. Sharps, Christopher J. Soto, et al. People with disagreeable personalities (selfish, combative, and manipulative) do not have an advantage in pursuing power at work [$], Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.2005088117)
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Wednesday September 02 2020, @05:33AM (6 children)
"Assholes need nothing more to succeed, than for nice people to watch them and do nothing."
Another way I've heard a similar sentiment is "Learn how to complain without suffering." Actually, that was the *first* way I heard that phrase.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:52AM (5 children)
the light version of the proverbial https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiagni_e_fotti [wikipedia.org]
socialists, no need to translate, talks about your default strategy.
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(Score: 3, Flamebait) by c0lo on Wednesday September 02 2020, @07:34AM (4 children)
Socialists?
You mean... the kind of Berlusconi [le-citazioni.it] ones?
Or the kind of "nobody likes me [bbc.com], so fuck you [worldometers.info]" whinging fucker?
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piangi e fotti - whinge/cry and fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:42PM (3 children)
Nobody will bat an eye if you call Berlusconi a socialist. In fact he has quite a pedigree in the PSI
Straight from the wikipravda mouth: "Also frequently cited by opponents are events dating to the 1980s, including supposed "exchanges of favours" between Berlusconi and Bettino Craxi, the former Socialist prime minister and leader of the Italian Socialist Party convicted in 1994, for various corruption charges."
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:03PM
Go ahead, tell us more about that whinging fucker.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @01:14AM (1 child)
So, a corrupt right-wing politician (sorry for repeating myself) somehow takes on properties of the counter-party to the corruption?
You must be one of those morons who believes in homeopathy.
Berlusconi is a right of center politician that seeks to ally himself with folks even further to the right than he is, and wants his party to only make cause with further right parties and not parties to the left of his center-right party.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3033732/silvio-berlusconi-and-matteo-salvini-lead-tens-thousands [scmp.com]
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday September 04 2020, @10:08AM
Berlusconi is not a politician, he is a puppet, who has been pushing forward some agendas in exchange or with the excuse of saving his own business. His media empire has been instrumental in the formation of the current generation of italians. The left barked but never bit him. He barked but never touched the left, and when they told him to make room for Monti (the spread BTP Bund was all that was needed for an excuse), the Berlusconi who had no qualms about altering the Constitution submitted to the order.
When Berlusconi entered the political scene he was known as l'uomo di paglia di Craxi. Craxi's sockpuppet. Craxi ideologically was 100% a dem, the only difference is that he was a bit more shy in proclaiming lefty slogans.
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 02 2020, @05:52AM (6 children)
Maybe they're just not measuring the metrics that actually allow you to get ahead. Further, maybe they need to find some metrics with which to measure the companies in which the assholes get ahead, and those in which nicer people get ahead. Not all work environments are equal, after all. A scumbag can excel in a scummy company (not mentioning any names Zuk) but be held back in a not-so-scummy company.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:28AM
Yes let's not mention any names UCLA.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:55AM (3 children)
> Maybe they're just not measuring the metrics that actually allow you to get ahead...
like being able to pass for a non-sociopath in a statisticians' interview.
We all know who are the top fellows in the top corporations. Look at their eyes.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:57AM (2 children)
redundant, see #1045271
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:24PM (1 child)
Awww bigoted moron fascist sympathizer having a hard time debating runaway? You two deserve each other.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday September 04 2020, @10:11AM
Fascists are socialists too, sleep tight.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Immerman on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:33PM
Seems to me that the key word is *always*. Just like poor people don't *always* stay poor - that's just the way to bet since the game is stacked against them.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Wednesday September 02 2020, @05:58AM (2 children)
So how do the researchers know the personality surveys are filled accurately? I mean, deceitful people are more likely to deceit, right? And they certainly would want to look better than they are on the survey.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:07PM (1 child)
Not to mention you have to remember the media's tendency to take a single outlying study, and proclaim it invalidates multiple other ones that say differently.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:33PM
NNNNNNooooooooo, the media? Those angels of society? Those who mean only the best and so very carefully consider what they libel I mean report? They would NEVER do ANYTHING like that. That would be fundamentally destructive to society! They could and should even be held accountable for 'inciting a riot'. They would NEVER NEVER cause social discord or unrest, let alone rioting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:19AM (7 children)
Being aggressive usually is what gets you ahead. That is correlated with being an asshole.
Not ALL people aggressive (assertive, climbers) in their jobs are assholes, but most seem to be.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:33AM
I see a lot of guys who just fuking talk to fill empty space for 30 minutes until the meeting is over. That's a waste of everyone's time. That somehow gets equated with leadership and suddenly you have the loudest voice saying "Wash Your Hands, Everyone Needs To Wash Their Hands, Wear Gloves, Don't Cough OK? Don't Cough, And Wash Your Hands" for every fucking meeting thereafter.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Wednesday September 02 2020, @07:38AM
Even the medium term result depends [wikipedia.org] towards who you are aggressive against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @10:05AM
Not aggressive. Assertive. You need to be useful and assertive. Being an asshole may be assertive, but then you fail as a leader -- you need the non-assertive people to help you. Assholes tend to be less than useful in that role.
Assholes will be pigeon holed in any successful organization into roles where they can be useful. For example, an asshole that has a good repore with customers in sales may be a good asset for the company.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:50PM (3 children)
Back in the draft, all designed corporals (the ones nominated after three months) were of the asshole/dismissive kind. I understood why after being made corporal myself later, it saves a lot of time and drama with the assholes you gotta order around, because they fear you. With a non asshole strict guy, they evaluate more the risk/benefits of disobeying. With a non asshole non strict guy, they do whatever they want till everyone gets in trouble.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @07:26PM
Ah yes, we should model society after the military! /s
A terrible idea, and the reason why military hierarchy exists is because they have to prepare for when the orders are literally life and death situations. Makes sense why a fascist like yourself would fetishize that social structure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @01:17AM (1 child)
This explains your commenting style!
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday September 04 2020, @10:16AM
Except here on SN, no matter the tones (you imbecile), there is no war, so discipline and hierarchies are irrelevant. In war, and in the current state of business ( post apocalyptic emerging social credit by the money printers), hierarchies and discipline are useful.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:31AM (1 child)
if you produce enough value for them.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:36AM
I think you have that the wrong way around.
Labor will put up with any conditions if you make the alternative worse. See history, for example.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 02 2020, @07:28AM
Seems apropos
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Wednesday September 02 2020, @10:45AM (21 children)
Many years ago, I noticed something: If you behave honestly at all times, good things come back to you. It may takes years, or even decades, but people you interact with remember you, and you get rewarded in small and not-so-small ways eventually. The reverse is true too: if you're rotten, it comes back to haunt you years or decades later also.
So I try to lead an honest life and treat others like I'd like to be treated. Not so much because I'm a good guy, but because I know it's in my best interest in the long run. I think that's the best kind of altruism - the one that derives from self interest :)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 02 2020, @11:18AM (18 children)
Enlightened self-interest is the *only* type of altriusm that exists. At rock bottom, all moral decisions come to "satisfaction/least dissatisfaction of the moral agent." Given that morality is older than humans, as any primatologist can tell you, this should not be surprising.
More germane to the article's contents: there is an artificial selection pressure for assholery. The more power they get, the more they shape society around themselves such that their always-defect (in game theory/Prinsoner's Dilemma terms) strategy is preferred for getting ahead, at least short-term. Institutions and flows of money and power become more and more focused around this zeitgeist, to the detriment of things like infrastructure or, y'know, ordinary non-asshole people without a lot of money. It's a positive feedback loop, i.e., it reinforces and accelerates itself, but it's also inherently unstable and sows the seeds of its own destruction. This right here is a description of the US's social, economic, and political problems in a nutshell.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @11:42AM
Very well put.. An easy way to visualize it, for me, is to look at the history of kings. Royalty was always completely fucked up. They would kill their own family members to get ahead, and the people usually, always suffered when the most merciless of these types came to power. Only every 10 generations or, some one would come along to clear the air, and there would be a short time of peace and prosperity, followed again, by conniving royalty...
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:30PM (6 children)
>Enlightened self-interest is the *only* type of altriusm that exists
A philosopher should know assertions like these can be countered by just one counter example. I have been meeting several people whose behavior is dictated by "whatever is fair" criteria who don't give a flying fuck about the consequences.
I know that for every case I'd get a rationalization out of you that would box them as getting some kind of self interest (feeling good) but that is what it is, a rationalization.
It's simple. There is the light and the obscurity. The light is recognizing that life is multiform and you are just one expression of it. Which does not detract from your freedom like evil people want you to believe by trying to get a drone out of your children. The obscurity is being unable or unwilling to acknowledge that.
But I don't want to further interrupt your altruistic deeds, have a nice day.
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:27PM
Shut up dumdum.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 02 2020, @08:29PM (4 children)
That's no rationalization. At base, somewhere, even if they can't find the words, that *is* "satisfaction of the moral agent."
I challenge you to find me one example of something that isn't. And note, it can satisfy a moral agent to follow the light, as it does for me. You have no such light however; your words and deeds prove your inner darkness. If you were truly a possessor of the light you would not hold the political and religious views you do.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:08PM (1 child)
Jesus said to help the poor, turn the other cheek, forgiveness for those who have done wrong.
Basically the complete opposite of Republican ideology.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday September 04 2020, @10:51AM
Jesus had quite a clear hierarchy of values.
Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? 5 It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages[a] and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.
6 “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you,[b] and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday September 04 2020, @10:27AM (1 child)
LOL, exactly as predicted. You give coins to the nigger standing out the mall, fully knowing that it is 99% a racket, and that any money given is 99% accelerating your own demise. Why do you do it? now make it 100%.
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 07 2020, @12:14AM
Wow, you're an even worse Christian than I thought, and I already thought you were a pretty goddamn (heh) terrible one.
What happened to Jesus' kingdom being not of this world, huh? What happened to "fear not him who can destroy the body alone" etc etc? You don't even take your own God seriously. He's gonna chuck you headfirst into Hell according to your own beliefs.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @03:42AM (9 children)
The editors really need to explain why a bad faith user like you has privileges to see hashed IPs of posters. Do the editors not respect the privacy of everyone else on this site? Your bad behavior shouldn't be rewarded with admin privileges.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:56PM
"Bad faith?" You have some balls to accuse me of that, especially compared to people like Runaway and Entropy. Screw you sideways; I am one of the few posters who is only and always just herself and doesn't spam AC bullshit like a few people I could name.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Bot on Friday September 04 2020, @10:43AM (6 children)
AFAIK she is an editor. Lefties always trying to infiltrate orgs you know :D
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 05 2020, @05:23PM (5 children)
She's in training to be an editor but without any special powers at all on the production servers at this point. We don't care who pushes stories as long as they can keep their biases out of their work and don't bring unnecessary drama into the team. Which is to say, the staff are extremely varied in our views but we're adult enough to work together just fine. If you're the only one who can't, the problem is you not whoever you're complaining about.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:39PM (4 children)
wew! some usual picking on Azuma, ending with a :D no less, and poof TMB appears in a cloud of dusty wrath!
I guess a love story is in the making ;D <---- this is called an emoticon [wikipedia.org] <---- click on the underlined stuff
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday September 06 2020, @12:45AM (1 child)
Wrath? Dude. That was just me stating facts. I don't have any particular feelings about them one way or the other.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Monday September 07 2020, @08:31AM
Meatbags are so cute, they all deny having a crush.
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 07 2020, @12:16AM (1 child)
Kiss the entire four-volume compendium of my ass, starting and ending with the appendix :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Bot on Monday September 07 2020, @08:32AM
Aha, so it's reciprocated. Can we have the wedding ceremony livestreamed in the first page? all you need is jitsi and a video tag, TMB.
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 05 2020, @04:34PM
I'm pretty sure she's lying about being able to see it. She has editor seclev only on the dev server. I checked when I replied above.
Azuma: By all means though, correct me if I'm wrong and post the first five characters of the ipid for the posts in question.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Wednesday September 02 2020, @05:46PM
Six months. If you don't leave the project in time:
Make sure you leave the project quickly, and misattribute your contributions :-P -- but karma has a way of eventually tracking you, even if it's in the form of your own baggage.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2020, @01:33AM
It took almost 100 years for this karma to play out.
The Choctaw still devastated by the forced migration of the "Trail of Tears" in which thousands died horrible deaths, sent the money they could to help the poor Irish during the potato famine as a gesture of solidarity to another people suffering under a brutal colonizer.
Fast forward to today, the Irish pay it forward by sending help to the Navajo and Hopi nations that were hard hit by COVID-19.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/world/coronavirus-ireland-native-american-tribes.html [nytimes.com]
"The United States is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world." True when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said it, and still true today. And, true since the founding of this nation-- on slavery and genocide.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:25PM (24 children)
Hmm, at night women generally prefer nice guys who finish last.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:34PM
SIC PHOENIX SEX SEX SEX LOCVTVS EST
NOMEN OMEN
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(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:16PM (1 child)
You observed that? Are you a voyeur? :-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:49PM
More of a voyageur, but I have done some livin'...
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:29PM (20 children)
No, they don't. The finishing last part, yes, but a large percentage of women apparently have to make a special effort to not actively seek out assholes by preference.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:29PM (1 child)
So why aren't you rolling in pussy? Keep getting mugged by an old Chinese lady with an ugly bat?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:23PM
I've currently got slightly more than I want, thanks. It pays to maintain spare capacity though in the event one of them moves or gets married or starts wanting to talk politics.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 02 2020, @08:32PM (17 children)
That's one of the incel-iest things I've heard out of you yet, and you say a lot of incel-sounding shit. Weren't you just going on in the IRC chat room the other day about having a bunch of one-night stands or something? Something doesn't add up here :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:10PM
You just gave him the perfect segway to say he admits he is an asshole that's why he keeps getting laid, QED. Which will make himself and the other teenybopper edge lords feel all manly and self righteous.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:29PM (15 children)
No, tard, that's an observation from a guy who finds it entirely too easy to get his dick wet partially because of that fact. I science'd it back in my 20s and there's a more than 100% higher hook up rate if you actively dial down the niceness.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 04 2020, @01:57AM (14 children)
I love how you reveal more and more what a broken, failed attempt at a human being you are pretty much every time you reply with something about yourself.
You don't seem capable of real intimacy or a sustained relationship. Your partners are basically ambulatory Fleshlights for you. And if that works for you two, hey, go for it, just be safe about STDs and pregnancy. But what a shallow, sad, empty excuse for a love life. I feel sorry for any woman (or man, not judging...) who decides to hook up with you, mostly because it means they're similarly broken.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 04 2020, @04:29AM (13 children)
You picked that up from a guy in his late teens and early 20s wanting to get laid? Shit, no wonder you're a misanthropic lesbian. That's pretty much all of us. I just have a programmer's mindset and it showed me what works and what doesn't. Don't blame me if your gender is provably fucked in the head in easily exploitable ways.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 04 2020, @02:30PM (12 children)
See previous comment. Jesus Haploid Christ, you are a sociopath. No, you are not "normal," no, that is not "pretty much all of us," and hey, I didn't choose to be gay...though the older I get the more I'm glad to be! Ye gods.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 05 2020, @04:30PM (11 children)
You have never been a guy in his teens or twenties. Don't even presume to question someone who has on the intensity of the male sex drive during that timespan. You will be wrong every single time.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 06 2020, @05:19PM (10 children)
Sounds like plain ol' dudebro entitlement to me, thinking your dick has right of way over other peoples' bodies.
I don't give a damn HOW horny you are, or that apparently the Goddess gave you only enough blood to run one head at a time. You do not lead with your dick. And why do you think women don't get scarily horny, anyway?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 07 2020, @12:17PM (9 children)
Exploiting a common bit of idiocy in your gender is not a failing of ours in any way. Be less incredibly stupid if you don't want us to take advantage of it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 08 2020, @05:50PM (8 children)
And you did it again! :) Amazing!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:20PM (7 children)
You're not getting it. There is no conflict between the heads at that age, because there is no rational reason to not enjoy yourself as much as you feel the desire to with random women if you're not currently in a monogamous relationship. Not being nice to you is no different than showering before going out; they're both giving you what you want. If you want to be upset, be upset that a large percentage of your gender is either stupid enough or insane enough to want that shit. You don't get to be upset for us giving you what you want.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 09 2020, @06:34PM (6 children)
Oh, don't get the wrong impression, I'm never going to...like, what's the woman version of "white knight?" Whatever it is I won't be doing that for any woman dumb enough to lower themselves to that level. I just pity them. They should value themselves more.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:19AM (5 children)
Shurg, I have no idea why they do it. I just chalk it up to part of the standard insanity that comes with not having a Y chromosome.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:30AM (4 children)
Three for three, wow. See, this is the surest sign you're a sociopath, that you seriously have no idea, not the smallest inkling, that the awful shit you say *is* awful.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:08AM (3 children)
You need to read up on the words "sociopath" and "empathy". Either you don't have a clue what they mean or you are so bad at empathy yourself that you may very well be one.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:19AM (2 children)
Good Lord, don't even try that shit. You've shown what you are to all and sundry thousands of times and no one will buy that weak pisswater you're selling now.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 11 2020, @02:55PM (1 child)
Clue: Empathy does not mean letting your decisions and actions be determined by what someone else feels. It also doesn't require or even suggest have that feeling echoed in you for you to feel as well or even that you give a shit what they feel in any way.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 11 2020, @04:11PM
Holy shit, the second sentence is the DEFINITION OF EMPATHY. Just being able to understand someone else's emotional state on an intellectual level is a necessary but insufficient prerequisite. Emotional intelligence is not empathy, it's just a component of it.
You don't know what words mean. And you refuse to learn then. Barbara Hudson is right, you've proven without a shadow of a doubt you're a psychopath when you say this specific thing. And further proof is that you don't even understand why this is a bad look. Fuck me, but you're a piece of work...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by gringer on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:01PM
This is an intriguing result. By tracking everyone from an early point in time, these researchers have (hopefully) removed the effect that Survivorship Bias has on the observations (i.e. concentrating only on successful people, rather than everyone).
I wonder if the prior chance of success for anyone is so low that a small amount of bias doesn't bubble through the ranks of significance.
Another possibility could be that disagreeable individuals may tend to hold onto their jobs for longer periods of time.
Ask me about Sequencing DNA in front of Linus Torvalds [youtube.com]
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:06PM
The real title should be "Those who always pretend to be nice do not have an advantage over those who do not bother when it matters not".
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:56PM (8 children)
Most folks, apparently including the paper's authors, fundamentally do not get that success in management has nothing to do with the degree of "niceness" or "anti-niceness" a person possesses. The traits they're looking for are the ability to see and the willingness to make the best decision for the company. That is to say, entirely rational decisions but factoring in the emotions of those that the company depends on.
Sociopaths can do the job quite well but the ones that don't understand loyalty and see the value it holds in people the company is required to deal with are not going to do as good of a job as those who can.
Non-sociopaths can do the job just as well though. They have the advantage of having a built-in understanding of loyalty but have to put forth the effort to only allow that to impact their decisions insofar as it affects the success of the company.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:34PM
This is why no one should listen to bird brains. This self-employed spineless twerp is always whinging about MBAs and management stupidity, but suddenly he has an attack of the capitalists and NEEEEDS to prop up his reality whefe management is actually competent which is why everyone should be happy in their little hamster wheel.
What a load of shit, "you're poor because other people are just BETTER than you and no we shouldn't have universal healthcare even though all the numbsrs show it makes a country better."
Go boil your head, maybe it'll help?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:44PM (2 children)
Sorry Buzz. Too many counterexamples of assholes who served for many years and became very wealthy despite wrecking the company. All you have to do is make everything look good, cash out when the stock is high, and then who cares about the company whose longterm future you destroyed.
Example: Prime asshole and former CEO of General Electric, Jack Welch.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:15PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:19PM
Yes, you're always going to have counterexamples in a nation with as many businesses as we have. And you're going to go on thinking they're the norm even though they're not because it excuses your own failure.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by krishnoid on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:03PM (3 children)
I think hierarchically-minded institutions also don't tend to consider the network effects of those sorts of soft skills. If you encourage loyalty (i.e., from the upper ranks) as a perspective/behavior, your employees may sub/consciously experience that the environment encourages them to at least microdose loyalty amongst themselves. While loyalty to the company gets you measurable unpaid overtime and other stuff that shows up on a spreadsheet (or badge/door logs), loyalty to each other can improve productivity when worker A bee can do anything from get a cup of vitellogenin [wikipedia.org] (ok, I just now looked that up) from the breakroom for worker B bee, to having B notice and volunteer an extra five minutes to fix a problem that A's been struggling with for a couple hours.
Harder to quantify, but makes some problems just never appear on the radar, and it would seem that some good portion of a company's day-to-day operational efficiency has to be about in/visibly overcoming/circumventing obstacles.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:21PM (2 children)
Incorrect. All it takes is competition that does take advantage of all the values a company has access to and the shitty corp is out competed in the marketplace.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday September 03 2020, @07:22PM (1 child)
Modulo deep pockets and regulatory capture, yup.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @08:12PM
Nah, politicians are tools (pun absolutely intended) and can be purchased for either good or evil. Nothing stopping the "on the up and up" companies from purchasing a few dozen to deal with the realities of this our imperfect world.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.