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posted by martyb on Wednesday September 09 2020, @08:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the cultured-meat-is...gauche? dept.

ScienceDaily:

Gen Z are the new kids on the block. As a cohort of 5 million people born between 1995-2015 encompassing 20 percent of the Australian population and 2 billion people globally -- they're consumers to be reckoned with.

New research by the University of Sydney and Curtin University to published on 8 September in Frontiers in Nutrition, found that, despite having a great concern for the environment and animal welfare, 72 percent of Generation Z were not ready to accept cultured meat -- defined in the survey as a lab-grown meat alternative produced by in-vitro cell cultures of animal cells, instead of from slaughtered animals.

However, despite their lack of enthusiasm for the new meat alternative, 41 percent believed it could be a viable nutritional source because of the need to transition to more sustainable food options and improve animal welfare.

9 percent rejected cultured meat but accepted eating insects.


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Splashy headlines have long overshadowed inconvenient truths about biology and economics. Now, extensive new research suggests the industry may be on a billion-dollar crash course with reality.

[...] [In March], the Good Food Institute (GFI), a nonprofit that represents the alternative protein industry, published a techno-economic analysis (TEA) that projected the future costs of producing a kilogram of cell-cultured meat. Prepared independently for GFI by the research consulting firm CE Delft, and using proprietary data provided under NDA by 15 private companies, the document showed how addressing a series of technical and economic barriers could lower the production price from over $10,000 per pound today to about $2.50 per pound over the next nine years—an astonishing 4,000-fold reduction.

In the press push that followed, GFI claimed victory. "New studies show cultivated meat can have massive environmental benefits and be cost-competitive by 2030," it trumpeted, suggesting that a new era of cheap, accessible cultured protein is rapidly approaching. The finding is critical for GFI and its allies. If private, philanthropic, and public sector investors are going to put money into cell-cultured meat, costs need to come down quickly. Most of us have a limited appetite for 50-dollar lab-grown chicken nuggets.

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  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:31AM (5 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:31AM (#1048179) Journal

    NO ONE is ready to slice a bit off of some blob of goo in a lab, and eat it. FFS, they didn't even eat Frankenstein's monster way back in the early 1800's!

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:42AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:42AM (#1048189) Journal

      NO ONE is ready to slice a bit off of some blob of goo in a lab, and eat it.

      And yet Taco Bell serves 2 billion tacos and 1 billion burritos annually.

      FFS, they didn't even eat Frankenstein's monster way back in the early 1800's!

      Victor could have nipped that problem in the bud if he did.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @06:27AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @06:27AM (#1048836)

        And how angry would the Monster have been if Victor had "nipped that bud"?

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by shrewdsheep on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:43AM

      by shrewdsheep (5215) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:43AM (#1048190)

      Sure, it's a terrible puff piece. What should make that group think different from the rest?

      That aside, I would be happy to go cultured meat throughout. But hygiene has to be improved first. The culture medium is still animal derived and thereby (probably) contains viruses/prions/DNA/RNA making it potentially infectious, allergy inducing and otherwise toxic. To me that nullifies many of the potential advantages. Once the culture medium is, say, fully yeast produced, I am in.

      Disclaimer: I eat very little meat.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:21AM (#1048199)

      Hot dogs, dude. Hot dogs.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @03:29PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @03:29PM (#1048351)

      If genZ don't figure out what gender they are, future generations are going to be lab grown meat. Now that's what I'll call Soylent News.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Bot on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:39AM (3 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @09:39AM (#1048185) Journal

    It's about the corporations who hold the patents for that. I'm pretty sure given the precedents, that they'll be the wurst.

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    • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:13AM (1 child)

      by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:13AM (#1048197) Journal

      Hey! A wireless powermat is your feeding bowl...

      Meatworld problems are not concern of yours.

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      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:17AM

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:17AM (#1048702) Journal

        Know thy enemy, know yourself, et cetera.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by arslan on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:28AM

      by arslan (3462) on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:28AM (#1048679)

      Oh, don't be such a brat.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:16AM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:16AM (#1048198)

    make it safe. test it. prove that it's safe. eat it yourself. then ask me.

    with insects ... we already know that there are insets on the menu in several places. it seems a lot simpler to follow the above rules if someone is already eating insects.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:23AM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:23AM (#1048200)

      Or you could, ya know, eat an apple. Living creatures don't need to perish every time you open one end of the meat sack to absorb environmental nutrients.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:47AM (#1048206)

        Lab-grown meat isn't a creature.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:53AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @10:53AM (#1048207)

        the apple is alive. it's also happy to be eaten, because then the seed gets out in a couple of days in good fertilizer.

        by that count, food animals should be very happy for being tasty. their species count in the billions of individuals, whereas most non-insect wild animals are lucky to count in the millions.

        • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:59PM (3 children)

          by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:59PM (#1048270) Homepage Journal

          Apples, when they get eaten, get to have children.
          Food animals, when they get eaten, do not get to have more children.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:19PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:19PM (#1048293)

            If we stopped eating beef and drinking milk, the cow would go EXTINCT, just as its wild ancestor has.
            Its survival is entirely dependent on us eating of its body.

            • (Score: 1) by anubi on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:56PM

              by anubi (2828) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:56PM (#1048652) Journal

              I had to mod you up for that.

              Cows are a treasured species, and ranchers have great incentives to tend to their needs: provide food and veterinary care, providing shelter, protecting them from predators, assisting them with their younguns.

              Yes, all that comes at a price.

              But most ranchers I have known are far more humane when the time comes than Nature has been. It's over in minutes. Not being eaten alive by a pack of wolves.

              Look at how we treat our homeless, then see how the rancher tends his herds. It is my observation that most ranchers are far more humane in the misery inflicted on a sentient species.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @04:49PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @04:49PM (#1048420)

            Apple trees are a big problem in land fills.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:31AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:31AM (#1048681)

        but.. but.. you're stealing food from living creatures that rely on apples! The travesty!

    • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday September 09 2020, @12:02PM (3 children)

      by PiMuNu (3823) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @12:02PM (#1048220)

      > With insects

      I would be happy to eat insects, especially if processed into something with fewer chewy bits, but the cost in UK is about 10-20 times more than, say, chicken.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:18PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:18PM (#1048249)

        I try to raise as many kids as I can, and they in turn will do the same, and one they my descendants will kill your kind

      • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:03AM (1 child)

        by anubi (2828) on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:03AM (#1048657) Journal

        The Chicken converts the insect protein into breasts, drumsticks, wings, thighs, and gizzards for you.

        Celebrate the Chicken as a great gift provided for us.

        Could any of us come up with a more elegant design for these things?

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        • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Thursday September 10 2020, @08:59AM

          by PiMuNu (3823) on Thursday September 10 2020, @08:59AM (#1048877)

          > The Chicken converts the insect protein

          It's just not very efficient...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 11 2020, @09:05AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 11 2020, @09:05AM (#1049417)

      We don't know enough about nutrition to do that. Even now people go on and on about the health benefits of fiber even though humans do better on a zero fiber diet. The food industry is too fucked up to be able to create a new food and determine if its safe to eat or not. Even ignoring the industry, we don't understand enough about our bodies to be able to make that claim. It's completely possible there's something we've overlooked in naturally raised creatures that we won't supplement in lab grow cultures and those food stuffs will end up causing people problems down the road.

      And what about the side effects? When we're no longer keeping grassland for cattle are we going to pave over that ground and build cities? The environment and wildlife won't like that.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ledow on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:09AM (7 children)

    by ledow (5567) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:09AM (#1048212) Homepage

    Normally, this question is worded in the way of "Would you eat lab-grown meat?"

    And my response is always: Yes, get on with it.

    Fact is, it's always impractically expensive and just not available. I don't want meat-substitute. I want lab-meat. I'll literally scrap a non-descript blob off a petri-dish and eat it if you convince me it meets all the relevant food approval and is as good nutritionally as meat. Hell, people eat "synthetic" food all the time - protein supplements, things like Heul and Soylent(!), dieting shakes, vitamin tablets, etc.

    It's not "would you eat it?", it's "where the hell is it?"

    An entire country literally consume horse for years and had NO CLUE that's what they were doing. Nobody could tell. Only a DNA test could determine it. Nobody was particularly up in arms because... well, we'd eaten it and not told the difference. We were more concerned about a) hurting the poor horses and b) properly tracking ingredients in food production and labelling them.

    Put a product on a shelf with "Made with lab-grown meat". If it's good enough, safe enough and cheap enough... people will buy it and eat it and soon forget that's even what it is.

    But all you ever get is hyperbole about "whether people would eat it". Yes. I'll literally volunteer for you if you throw in a couple of free meals.

    However, it's just expensive, bad, unscaleable lab processes at the moment.

    Stick it in a Findus lasagne, then you can determine whether or not people will eat it.

    P.S. I'll literally eat lab-grown meat in preference to something vegetarian, vegan, or "meat substitute", all other things being equal. Any day. Every time. Get on with making it.

    • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday September 10 2020, @06:32AM (6 children)

      by deimtee (3272) on Thursday September 10 2020, @06:32AM (#1048837) Journal

      I've never understood the objections to eating horse meat. They are basically tall skinny cows. If you eat cattle, why not horses?

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      • (Score: 2) by ledow on Thursday September 10 2020, @07:21AM

        by ledow (5567) on Thursday September 10 2020, @07:21AM (#1048852) Homepage

        I've never understood the objection to eating horse meat either.

        It's bloody delicious.

        I think its because, especially in the UK, horses were basically recreational pets for posh people, not farmed, so posh people stopped eating them but ate farmed animals instead.

        Hilariously, the first place I (knowingly) ate horse was in an "English pub" in Italy, that was trying to recreate an olde-worlde English pub and serving English food.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @09:36PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @09:36PM (#1049199)

        Same reasons we rarely eat dogs or cats - the people that like those animals will brand you as worse than a murderer for doing so. Horses consume way more food and need more land than cattle too.

        • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Friday September 11 2020, @08:33AM (2 children)

          by deimtee (3272) on Friday September 11 2020, @08:33AM (#1049410) Journal

          Cats and dogs are carnivores. It's a bad idea to eat carnivores due to both parasites and toxins concentrating as you go up the food chain.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 11 2020, @07:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 11 2020, @07:47PM (#1049639)

            Parasites aren't really an issue with farmed meat nowadays, and heavy metal accumulation isn't necessarily either.

          • (Score: 2) by ledow on Monday September 14 2020, @08:08AM

            by ledow (5567) on Monday September 14 2020, @08:08AM (#1050666) Homepage

            Carnivores taste like hell, that's the real reason why. Even their waste stinks far worse. Horse dung smells nothing like dog poo for a reason. The dog poo is the waste of digested meat. Horse poo is digested grass.

            I once heard a saying about something like never eat more than "two away from the sun". Sun feeds the grass. Grass feeds the horses. You can eat the horse. But sun feeds the grain, grain feeds the mouse, mouse feeds the cat. Do not eat the cat.

            In the natural world, it happens. As a human developing a food chain that tastes nice and is readily available and efficient, you shouldn't be touching carnivores.

            Not least, every step along the way is less efficient in terms of wastage. Breeding animals is far less efficient in terms of land and energy use than harvesting a crop. And breeding a carnivore is another layer of inefficiency.

            All the food you generally eat - no more than two from the sun. All the meat that's "frowned upon" as extravagant waste or for not tasting nice - exotic animals, dogs, cats, rodents, etc. - are further.

            But horses are quite clearly only two from the sun.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 11 2020, @08:58AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 11 2020, @08:58AM (#1049415)

        Horses are pretty intelligent, they can pass some intelligence tests that dogs can't. Though pigs are highly intelligent too, but bacon just tastes too damn good.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:55AM (7 children)

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:55AM (#1048219) Journal

    If that meat ever gets mass-produced, it definitely won't be lab-grown meat. It will be industrial-grown meat.

    If you ask about “lab-grown” meat, you'll automatically activate lab associations, especially chemical lab (although even the truly lab-grown variant is almost certainly not made in a chemical lab). And most people don't want to eat “chemical” food (even though a lot of what they eat actually contains products of the chemical industry, and of course even organic food consists 100% of chemical substances).

    Give a better name to that meat, and you likely will find a higher acceptance rate. What about “non-animal meat”?

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:00PM (2 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:00PM (#1048235) Journal

      It's cultured meat... a perfectly cromulent name

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:32PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:32PM (#1048256)

        Ah, so eat the classically educated rich...

        mmmm tasty rich cultured soylent green.....

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:43PM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @01:43PM (#1048263) Journal

          *We don't want tunas with good taste, We want tunas that taste good!*

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:06PM (#1048277)

      How about:
      Pink-Floyd-meat
      The meat for the masses
      https://www.youtube.com/embed/5IpYOF4Hi6Q?start=211 [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:12PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:12PM (#1048285)

      The-meat-you-have-to-eat-because-we-ignored-overpopulation

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:21PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:21PM (#1048298)

        If by "we" you mean Africa and a few countries in Asia.
        The rest of the world is not reproducing itself or on the verge of not doing so.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:35AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:35AM (#1048683)

          Technically sure. But practically aren't we all affected globally? Has science proven that the environmental consequences are completely isolated to only those countries?

  • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:24PM (1 child)

    by legont (4179) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:24PM (#1048301)

    Do we expect Jews and Muslims to have their own separate meat industry? Somehow I don't see it, but perhaps they will build it for us tree huggers.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @03:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @03:18PM (#1048342)

      Do we expect Jews and Muslims to have their own separate meat industry?

      They already [vanityfair.com] have [wikipedia.org].....oh, you mean the other sort of meat?

  • (Score: 1) by Gertlex on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:37PM

    by Gertlex (3966) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:37PM (#1048312)

    "Our research has found that Generation Z -- those aged between 18 and 25 -- are concerned about the environment and animal welfare, yet most are not ready to accept cultured meat and view it with disgust,"

    I think the Science Daily headline writer must have googled waht Gen Z was and copy/pasted...

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 09 2020, @04:59PM (1 child)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 09 2020, @04:59PM (#1048434) Journal

    Start when they are young. Run major ad blitz, for years, on Saturday morning cartoons. If they don't have those anymore, then on whatever medium the kids are glued to these days.

    Make it fun and exciting!

    Honeycomb's big, yeah, yeah, yeah! It's not small, no, no, no! They're magically delicious. Melts in your mouth, not in your hands. Kid tested, mother approved. The breakfast of champions. They're Guuuuuurrrreat! They're baked by little elves in a hollow tree.

    Kids! Try new Meal Worms! They're coated in 12 different kinds of delicious sugar frosting!

    New, Improved! Soylent Green, now available in bright new fun colors -- like Red!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @06:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09 2020, @06:08PM (#1048491)

      Honeycomb's big, yeah, yeah, yeah! It's not small, no, no, no! They're magically delicious. Melts in your mouth, not in your hands. Kid tested, mother approved. The breakfast of champions. They're Guuuuuurrrreat! They're baked by little elves in a hollow tree.

      Every one of those ad jingles has been stuck in my head since childhood... and I recognize what products they go with.

      My brain has already been colonized by the corporations!

  • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:40PM (4 children)

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:40PM (#1048640) Homepage Journal

    First, where did this "Gen Z" shit come from? What happened to "Millineals"? What generation are my kids, born 1985 and 1987? They were millineals until this dubious article.

    Second, ever hear of an "Impossible whopper"? Artificial meat that tastes virtually identical to the ones made of ground up cows, I tried one myself. They're a little smaller than a bovine whopper. You're telling me that a sixty eight year old man will try one but a kid won't? I call bullshit on the whole FA, or at least the summary (which was too stupid for me to read the actual article).

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    • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:11AM

      by anubi (2828) on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:11AM (#1048667) Journal

      I was expecting a significant price discount, not a premium, for accepting a substitute product.

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    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:07AM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:07AM (#1048695) Homepage
      Your kids are not "between 18 and 25", so not the generation being referred to.
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      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Tuesday September 15 2020, @12:47PM (1 child)

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Tuesday September 15 2020, @12:47PM (#1051236) Homepage Journal

        What I wonder is why the accepted definition was instantly changed, and by whom.

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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 17 2020, @09:11AM

          by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Thursday September 17 2020, @09:11AM (#1052119) Homepage
          No definition was changed, instantly or slowly, your kids are millennials. This story is about Gen-Z, not millennials.

          Given that it refers to a different named generation to your kids, and contains a birthdate range that excludes your kids, the only question that remains is why you persist in bringing up your kids, they're nothing to do with this story?
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