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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:40PM   Printer-friendly

Russia wants to ban the use of secure protocols such as TLS 1.3, DoH, DoT, ESNI:

The Russian government is working on updating its technology laws so it can ban the use of modern internet protocols that can hinder its surveillance and censorship capabilities.

According to a copy of the proposed law amendments and an explanatory note, the ban targets internet protocols and technologies such as TLS 1.3DoHDoT, and ESNI.

Moscow officials aren't looking to ban HTTPS and encrypted communications as a whole, as these are essential to modern-day financial transactions, communications, military, and critical infrastructure.

Instead, the government wants to ban the use of internet protocols that hide "the name (identifier) of a web page" inside HTTPS traffic.

While HTTPS encrypts the content of an internet connection, there are various techniques that third-parties such as telcos can apply and determine to what site a user is connecting.

Third-parties may not be able to break the encryption and sniff on the traffic, but they can track or block users based on these leaks, and this is how some ISP-level parental control and copyright infringement blocklists work.

The primary two techniques used by telcos include (1) watching DNS traffic or (2) analyzing the SNI (Server Name Identification) field in HTTPS traffic.

The first technique works because browsers and apps make DNS queries in plaintext, revealing the user's intended site destination even before a future HTTPS connection is established.

The second technique works because the SNI field in HTTPS connections is left unencrypted and similarly allows third-parties to determine to what site an HTTPS connection is going.

But over the past decade, new internet protocols have been created and released to address these two issues.

DoH (DNS over HTTPS) and DoT (DNS over TLS) can encrypt DNS queries.

And when combined, TLS 1.3 and ESNI (Server Name Identification(sic)) can also prevent SNI leaks.

These protocols are slowly gaining adoption, both in browsers and with cloud providers and websites across the globe, and there is no better sign that these new protocols work as advertised as the fact that China updated its Great Firewall censorship tool to block HTTPS traffic that relied on TLS 1.3 and ESNI.

SNI - Server Name Indication


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:43PM (27 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:43PM (#1058673)

    Sure why not. Go for it Russia!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:45PM (24 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:45PM (#1058674)

      The Internet will route around the damage!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:47PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:47PM (#1058676)

        We will get our titty pics.

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:56PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:56PM (#1058687) Journal

          Titty pics or it didn't happen..... 8)

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      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:57PM (20 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:57PM (#1058689) Journal

        Yeah, but your ISP won't. They control everything that passes over their wire

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        • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Grishnakh on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:32PM (19 children)

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:32PM (#1058740)

          Wrong (I hope). Russian ISPs will indeed block this stuff, which sucks for people in Russia, but they voted for their government so they're getting what they voted for.

          I don't anticipate my ISP blocking TLS 1.3 or anything else, and I really don't care much about Russia shooting itself in the foot. However, I could be wrong: maybe Trump will win a 2nd term and the US will also ban TLS 1.3 and require backdoored encryption. If that happens, I can't complain, because again, we would have voted for this and we'd be getting what we voted for.

          • (Score: 5, Interesting) by mth on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:48PM (8 children)

            by mth (2848) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:48PM (#1058752) Homepage

            I don't think you can call Russia a properly functioning democracy, when opposition gets shut out, oppressed and even poisioned.

            Whether the US is still a functioning democracy, November will have to tell; I'm worried and I don't even live there.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @11:59PM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @11:59PM (#1058812)

              Whether the US is still a functioning democracy, November will have to tell;

              So if your, or your private or state media's chosen candidate wins, it functions, otherwise it doesn't?

              • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday September 30 2020, @03:37AM (1 child)

                by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 30 2020, @03:37AM (#1058894) Homepage Journal

                It depends on whether the votes are properly counted.
                In 2000, the Supreme Court blocked counting all the ballots.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 30 2020, @03:28PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 30 2020, @03:28PM (#1059069) Journal
                  The Supreme Court blocked additional vote recount theater, the votes were counted and recounted in the first place.
              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by mth on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:45AM (2 children)

                by mth (2848) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:45AM (#1058919) Homepage

                Democracy is a process that is more important than the outcome. That's how it works: even the people who didn't get their preferred candidate voted in should have peace with how things are run.

                But democracy is more than just putting a ballot in a box. It means candidates who have significant support should be able to get on the ballot. Candidates should be able to get their word out. People who want to vote should be able to get a ballot. People should be able to mark their vote in secret and without outside pressure. Ballots should be counted in a verifiable fashion. The published totals should reflect the counts. And the candidates who didn't win must accept their loss.

                All those conditions together, and I've probably missed a few as well, determine whether you actually have a functioning democracy. Which is why I strongly disagree with the GP's sentiment of "they're getting what they voted for": Russia goes through the rituals of democracy, but their process is carefully tuned to make sure the winner is known in advance. Having elections is a necessary but not sufficient condition for being a democracy.

                Coming back to the US, I think the ever growing polarization, focusing only on whose side is winning, is one of the things that is killing democracy. The most important part of this game is not to win, it's to make sure the loser wants to play another round.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @09:41AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @09:41AM (#1058978)

                  All those conditions together, and I've probably missed a few as well,

                  You forgot the infamous purple thumb that doesn't wash clean for three weeks. Here in the US we have no idea how many times a voter has voted. Not even the dead voters!

                • (Score: 2) by Pav on Wednesday September 30 2020, @08:58PM

                  by Pav (114) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @08:58PM (#1059205)

                  Yes, Russian "democracy" sucks, but the USA is not a shining becon it must be said. For instance there have been many recent elections in which exit polls have deviated so much from the result that if it was another country the CIA would judge them invalid. The media doesn't cover anyone but status quo candidates, and money in politics bids up the cost of media so much that it's hard for alternate voices to even be heard even if they have some resources. US democracy doesn't give the electorate a voice, which is bourne out by research - there has been a Princeton study showing that the electorate has negligable effect on policy, and the donor class are the ones who almost always get their way. Poor areas have the number of voting places repeatedly closed, or changed to new locations, and elections don't occur on a national holiday or even a weekend like in most countries to allow working people to have more of a chance to vote. Half the electorate are so lacking in opportunity to vote, apathetic or disillusioned they don't cast a vote - that's only 7% above Iran when they had their lowest voter turnout since the 1979 revolution in the midst of coronavirus... hardly a great sign.

            • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:06AM (1 child)

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:06AM (#1058908)

              I don't think you can call Russia a properly functioning democracy, when opposition gets shut out, oppressed and even poisioned.

              I don't think you can call America a properly functioning democracy either. But the Russian leadership is approved by the Russian people in one way or another, just like the leadership in every country, no matter what form of government it has.

              • (Score: 2) by mth on Wednesday September 30 2020, @05:07AM

                by mth (2848) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @05:07AM (#1058927) Homepage

                I deliberately left out "properly" already in the second sentence ;) But while America's democracy has its flaws, it could be a lot worse. And if the people get too complacent, that might actually happen.

                The fact that leadership stays in power doesn't mean it's approved; in many cases people accept it because the alternatives seem worse.

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:16PM (9 children)

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:16PM (#1058773) Homepage
            100% of people will be getting what 27% of the people voted for. And that's ignoring the minor, the felons, and the expats.

            If you think <27% of people being able to impose their will on everyone is just peachy, because you think you're a functioning democracy, then you need to re-read this sentence.
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            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:02AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:02AM (#1058858)

              That just means that at least 47% of the people did not oppose it enough to fill in a couple of circles on a piece of paper and drop it in a slot. Acquiescence might not quite be approval, but it is not disapproval either.

            • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday September 30 2020, @03:46AM (3 children)

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @03:46AM (#1058899)

              First, do you have a source for that 27% figure? I know US turnout isn't the greatest, but that sounds too low to be believable.

              Second, as the other responder said, if someone can't be bothered to vote, then their opinion doesn't count. I'll note that I do count votes for third parties; they might not have much chance of winning, but at least you're making your voice heard. Not voting at all just says you don't care. Minors don't count; there's no democracy that allows children to vote, and for good reason; they're not mature enough to make an informed decision. However, I do agree about the felons. I think they absolutely should be able to vote, even if they're still in prison. If so many felons vote to free all the felons from prison, then obviously there's something wrong with the system. I'm fairly sure expats can vote. However, you did miss disenfranchised people: people whose votes weren't counted because of various BS like unnecessary voting registration deadlines and other tactics designed to keep people from voting.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:15AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:15AM (#1058950)

                First, do you have a source for that 27% figure? I know US turnout isn't the greatest, but that sounds too low to be believable.

                About 58% of eligible voters voted in the 2016 US elections [psu.edu].

                Of those 58% (~138 million), 48.2% (65,853,514) voted for Clinton, and 46.1% (62,984,828) voted for Trump. [wikipedia.org]

                As such, out of ~237.5 million eligible voters, Clinton received ~27.8% of all eligible voters' votes and Trump received ~26.5% of all eligible voters' votes.

                So yes, FatPhil is correct.

                So if things are fucked up, it's because the 42% who *didn't* vote are fucking it up.

              • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:41AM (1 child)

                by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:41AM (#1058956) Homepage
                It was an eyeball of "less than half of the voter turnout" (the latter being in 60% or 55%, depending on what you're counting, but Trump's 46% is low enough that even the 60% figure works).

                I completely misremembered the voter turnouts, and fucked up the calculation in my head, and came up with the absurd figure of "thirty something percent" last week. I was called out on that figure. By someone who claimed it was too low - what an ignoramus! Oh - it's you!

                > if someone can't be bothered to vote, then their opinion doesn't count.

                Absolutely false unless there is an explicit "[ ] none of the above" on the ballot form or where voting is compulsory, which is very few places in the world. In the absence of the "none of the above" option, the lack of vote is the only way to make that choice, and therefore cannot be disregarded as it is a valid choice (in any system which is based on preference or approval, which is every one that I know of). Politicians who want to fool you into thinking they're popular will try to persuade you otherwise, and it looks like you're lapping down that koolaid. Consider them the equivalent to "spoiled papers" if you wish, it matters not to me, but you cannot logically deny that the absence of voting for one of the candidates is an expression that the voter did not want to vote for any of the candidates. That's a political opinion, and therefore should be counted. (And this is one reason some countries do have compulsory voting - all opinions must be counted.)

                In a so-called "democracy" like the USA's - possibly one of the least functional democracies in the world, where you can mathematically become president with only .0002% of the popular vote - you comment is even more absurd. Most people's votes can't make a difference to the outcome, they're practically disenfranchised already. For them, not voting has the same outcome as voting - why would you expect them to waste time on that charade?

                Gonna love seeing your head explode at that 0.0002% figure if you couldn't even work out the 27% figure yourself. Nope, I ain't spoon feeding you. Don't worry if you come up with a lower figure, tecnically it's much lower, but I'm using conservative assumptions. Best of all, the only way you can contradict that figure is ... oh, no, it's too funny, I need to be there for your "aha" moment, I don't want to spoil it - please derive it yourself, and then please tell me why you think it's nonsense - that would crack me up. (Clue: the rest of this post is *very* relevant.)
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                • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:18PM

                  by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:18PM (#1059161)

                  >Absolutely false unless there is an explicit "[ ] none of the above" on the ballot form

                  Wrong. Every ballot form allows write-in votes. Write in "Mickey Mouse" or similar if you want to voice such an opinion. Otherwise, how exactly is anyone supposed to tell that you don't like the choices, rather than simply not caring? In the US, for national elections, you can always just pick one of the 3rd parties that are sure to not win. The 2016 election showed record votes for other parties in the presidential race.

                  >In a so-called "democracy" like the USA's - possibly one of the least functional democracies in the world, where you can mathematically become president with only .0002% of the popular vote - you comment is even more absurd. Most people's votes can't make a difference to the outcome, they're practically disenfranchised already. For them, not voting has the same outcome as voting - why would you expect them to waste time on that charade?

                  The President isn't elected directly by the people, by design. If people don't like that, the way to change it is to amend the Constitution. That means voting for races besides the Presidential one, such as for Congresspeople and for state legislatures and governors. Has anyone made a big deal out of fixing the Constitution on this issue? I've never seen any serious movements to change it. Contrast this with the Temperance Movement that successfully got the Constitution amended to prohibit alcohol. Apparently, fixing the Presidential election system just isn't very important to Americans the way banning alcohol was.

            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:30AM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:30AM (#1058915)

              It seems to be by design.

              First past the post, winner take all, elections tend to devolve into only two viable parties. Some of us do not feel represented by either of the two major parties, in the US case, a neo-liberal center-right to right corporate party and a neo-liberal right to far-right corporate party. This leads to apathy when you prefer to vote third-party, but no third-party candidate *ever* wins an election. It is logical to ask, "What is the point?"

              Some states have made things even worse. A Republican congressman in California with the support of the then Republican Governor was able to get a law enacted that completely disenfranchises anyone in California who does not want to vote Democrat or Republican. The law states that only the two candidates who received the largest number of votes in the primaries will be permitted on the ballot. This prevents anyone who is not a Democrat or Republican from even showing up on a California ballot (for state-wide offices), and the law also disallows write-in candidates. The law seems to have helped Democrats more than Republicans with a couple elections only having two Democrats on the ballot. And, it eviscerated third parties.

              Proportional representation would do a lot to address our issues. E.g., 2% of the population gives a fuck about the environment and votes Green, they get 2% of the seats in congress. The Nazi party gets 1% of votes, they get 1% of the seats. Socialists get 20%, 20% of the seats, Beer drinkers party gets 3%, 3% of seats, Right-Libertarians get 20% of votes, 20% of seats. Then just like parliamentary systems, this unholy mix of ideologies will need to form alliances to pass any legislation, which will moderate the effect that e.g., the Nazis can have. Also, general society would be less polarized with the e.g., 30 party ideologies having both overlapping and contradicting elements compared to the two existing parties'.

              But, I suppose the current system is seen as advantageous to the rich parasite class, or we would already have something different.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @06:42AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @06:42AM (#1058942)

                Proportional representation would do a lot to address our issues.

                I used to have high respect for proportional representation, but then I am reminded of Germany, where for the last 20 years, the two largish parties have conspired to not try too hard and rule together, while they hemorrhage voters to smaller parties who, despite getting seats in the diet, are effectively excluded from political participation.

                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday September 30 2020, @08:31AM (1 child)

                  by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday September 30 2020, @08:31AM (#1058966) Homepage
                  If that's how >50% of the voters want it to be, which apparently they do, then so mote it be, that's the paradox of democracy.

                  We've got a sub-par PR system here in Estonia where there's a horrible barrier to entry (if you're popular enough to deserve exactly 5 seats on the parliament, you get ... none! because of a stupid 5% cut-off), but still a new party has managed to invent itself and cream support from the margins of many of the older parties, such that after only 2 years, they're polling roughly the 4th most popular party and should be able to snarf a decent haul of seats next election. (last election they polled enough for 4 seats, and got none, but are now up to the ~13 seat level.)

                  With lower barriers to entry (why not have the cut-off be the proportion large enough to earn 1 seat? why do you need a cut-off at all - the maths removes the marginals automatically?), it shouldn't take much for not only your voice to be heard, but actually represented. Sure, the nazis will get a seat once in a while, but if you can't trust the other 99% of the representatives to vote against genocide and eugenics, maybe you're voting for the wrong people generally. I'd much rather one nazi candidate and one communist candidate be voted into office (who knows - maybe their votes would cancel each other out!) than give the nazi party and the communist party an "our voices aren't being represented" argument to add to their quiver.
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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:25PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:25PM (#1059045)

                    This exists in Germany too and the goal is to avoid the situations in Israel, where Likud has to blow every guy from a one seat party to retain a majority that doesn't involve Labour.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:35PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:35PM (#1058779) Journal

        The Internet will route around the damage!

        Assuming that internet routing is not mungle foodle diddled with to participate in the damage.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DECbot on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:22PM

      by DECbot (832) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:22PM (#1058734) Journal

      It certainly is more honest than deliberately backdooring encryption. The end result is about the same, you still have access to where you want to go and the people you don't want to have access you your data will still be able to get to it.

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    • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:21PM

      by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:21PM (#1058761)

      Will they still allow ROT13?

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:48PM (2 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:48PM (#1058678)

    If they permit ANY encryption, then ANY content will be deliverable inside the encrypted stream.

    We have a (lame) vendor who supplies just such a product to use for devices inside private networks like hospitals or corporate settings with restrictions on port numbers and traffic. The device makes encrypted outbound requests to port 443 on their server which then replies with whatever you want, including inbound requests, opening VNC sessions, you name it.

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    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:34PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:34PM (#1058711)

      I assume the reasoning for this is to help make their metadata/deep packet inspection filters easier to deal with on the huge western cloud services, where knowing what node the user is accessing, even if you don't have the actual encrypted content available, makes it easier to narrow down which size matching algorithm you need to see if their data follows a pattern that warrants further surveillance. Like for example if someone appears to be conntecting to a website on azure cloud, but is actually using the Tor browser, for instance.

      This ties in with the Tor 0day commentary from that guy working for internet archive a few weeks back: if you can profile match the packet stream and timing characteristics of TCP connections, you can oftentimes very accurately decipher what application is initiating the connection and perhaps even the content of the steam even without having the actual unencrypted data available. For Russian intelligence this is probably all they need. If they KNOW someone's data profile is suspect they can begin targetting a server/client exploit, or if the subjects are particularly hardened, fall back on physical intelligence gather techniques (whether clandestine, or rubber hose varieties.)

      I assume the same holds true for Western governments, although for now at least they only use the former techniques and not the latter, along with some 'commercial compromise' by just paying off the companies to 'legitimately spy'.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:47PM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:47PM (#1058716)

        IMO it's just going to lead to whack-a-mole for their intelligence services. New website pops up (foreign or domestic) that looks like somebody's Etsy shop or whatever, secure connections to that site carry traffic to/from TOR nodes, and there you go. It will slow down the undetermined, but wrapper apps aren't hard to write at all, and can probably be distributed as Javascript on the contact sites.

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:50PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:50PM (#1058681)

    It's too bad the Russian government is so heavy handed, as otherwise Russia might be a nice cheap place to live. The whole world is turning into one big prison colony. Time to tear some shit down.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:59PM (4 children)

      by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @05:59PM (#1058690) Journal

      Surprised Putin hasn't said "Mr. Trump, tear down that wall" just for gits and shiggles.

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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:06PM (1 child)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:06PM (#1058693)

        If Trump wins in 2020, be ready for a shill named Boris Vasilyev to run (with a good chance of winning) in 2024.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:34AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:34AM (#1058849)

          > Boris Vasilyev

          Biden Hunterov!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:11PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:11PM (#1058697)

        That might finally show some people just what a place we have found ourselves in.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @10:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @10:21PM (#1058789)

        He can't joke around with teh Donald or else he might actually reverse his wall rhetoric. I think that would be one thing his supporters might actually revolt over.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by legont on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:17PM (7 children)

      by legont (4179) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:17PM (#1058728)

      Russian government typically does not give a shit at all about what you do unless you go after it. I've been there many times and have may friends. As a matter of your everyday freedom, it is free beyond the dreams of any western youngster.
      There are some no no things such as drugs, drunk driving or crossing double yellow while driving, but the list is short and easy to follow. (You touch double yellow with your tire - it's mandatory 1 year suspension heavily enforced)

      However, I do agree with you. Everybody is going into this Nazi shit hole; just some are farther away.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:38PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:38PM (#1058746)
        There is just that thing where you've got basically no rights should anything serious happens. Drunk driving cop hits a kid? Kid was drunk, obviously. Got small money from your little business? Fork up. That shop guard thinks you've stolen something? Beating time, doesn't matter if you didn't. Cop thinks you've done something? Welcome to the merry place, hope you like torture. Cop needs someone to meet a quota? He'll "find" some cannabis on you he personally grows to keep things going. The list goes and goes, government officials, oligarchs, soliviki, various "experts" they use (yay tit for tat), people in cahoots with them, their relatives, friends, etc., etc. That's A LOT of people.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:12PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:12PM (#1058770)

          Do you have any references for those examples?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @08:36AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @08:36AM (#1058968)

            You might want to read zona.media (in Russian) if you are interested in fucked up things that happen in Russia.

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:20PM (3 children)

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:20PM (#1058776) Homepage
          Was that the US or Russia you were referring to?
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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:48AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:48AM (#1058852) Journal

            ±1 Ambiguous

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:48AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:48AM (#1058853)

            Porque no los dos

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @07:09PM (#1059153)

            i knew some partisan hack would post this retarded response. that's why i said "the whole world is turning into a prison colony".

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:16PM (11 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:16PM (#1058700)

    Powerful people over on this side of the Atlantic are trying to force backdoors into the encryption tools we use too, at the risk of whataboutism

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:23PM (7 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:23PM (#1058706) Journal

      But on this side we can vote out the dictators and crooks.

      Or, maybe we can't. We never tried. The coalition party always receives ~95% of the vote

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:36PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @07:36PM (#1058744)

        We get a vote in America... for the UniParty.
        Donald Trump was not a member of the UniParty but a complete outsider. He was attacked while he was campaigning by the US govt under Pres Obama's FBI and the attacks continued after he won the election by the UniParty. The Democratic party's crimes make Watergate look like a gentlemen's disagreement.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:25PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:25PM (#1058763)

          YOU are the reason we're losing our ability to have nice things.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:06AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:06AM (#1058841)

            Don't worry the uniparty is just going to buy votes this time. See problem solved you can continue to have your uniparty.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:50PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:50PM (#1058766)

          Thank you for that Comrade.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @11:52PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @11:52PM (#1058810)

        Or, maybe we can't. We never tried. The coalition party always receives ~95% of the vote

        Assuming you aren't a foreign agent... why is there so much cynicism, especially when it's obviously false? Do you think Hillary Clinton would have treated the crisis in Iran, pulled out of Afganistan, built the border wall, handled Covid, and everything else the same as Trump did?

        If you don't think that, why are you repeating this disempowering lie?

        If you do think that, then I think we can't have a reasonable conversation with our fundamental understandings of reality being so different.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @12:09AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @12:09AM (#1058814)

          Assuming you aren't a foreign agent... why is there so much cynicism, especially when it's obviously false? Do you think Hillary Clinton would have treated the crisis in Iran, pulled out of Afganistan, built the border wall, handled Covid, and everything else the same as Trump did?

          Supposing Hillary had become president?

          What crisis in Iran? I would have expected her to keep only moderate pressure on Iran, if not for anything else but preventing an axis Jerusalem-Riyadh from gaining geopolitical importance.
          The border wall? I would have expected the general government lip service on illegal immigration, but no action.
          Covid? The media would not have sown FUD to destabilize the country under her presidency, therefore I would have expected it to be handled like a regular strong flu season.

          Overall, I would have expected her presidency be a continuation of Obama's, which was a continuation of Baby Bush's: Business as usual, with the NSA and CIA amassing more influence at the cost of elected government.

        • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @12:11AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @12:11AM (#1058815)

          :-) You must be a democrat.

          What could be more disempowering than you constantly reelecting these people to their 40 year careers that created this disaster?

          95% of you will reelect over 90% of congress (100% for the coalition) again, so please... shut the fuck up your damn self, and take part in the drinking game tonight. It's more fun than your lame ass blame passing game that gave us Trump to begin with.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:15PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:15PM (#1058758)

      But Hillary's emails!

      • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:53AM

        by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:53AM (#1058874) Journal

        and the pizza.

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        "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:28PM

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday September 29 2020, @09:28PM (#1058777) Homepage
      I wouldn't call Bill Clinton that powerful any more, you're 28 years late. with that pronouncement
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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:36PM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @06:36PM (#1058713) Journal

    I, too, want Russia to ban the use of secure protocols and cypher-suites. As does every other spy agency on the planet aside the GRU!

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    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Mojibake Tengu on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:31PM

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:31PM (#1058765) Journal

    I don't think the document linked is genuine. It's missing critical government stuff like letterhead, flag/seal, submitter name and such important information.

    Seems like an amateur hoax to me.

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    Respect Authorities. Know your social status. Woke responsibly.
  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @10:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 29 2020, @10:08PM (#1058786)

    Where are you fren? Isn't this stuff in your freedom wheelhouse?

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:50AM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 30 2020, @01:50AM (#1058855) Journal

    ICMP tunnel [wikipedia.org]

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Zinnia Zirconium on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:57AM (1 child)

      by Zinnia Zirconium (11163) on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:57AM (#1058875) Homepage Journal

      ICMP is non-essential and it's blocked.

      There's definitely a trend toward tunneling everything over TCP port 443. Enjoy TCP port 80 while it lasts. All it will take to eliminate 80 is for Google Chrome to default to 443 and then nobody will need 80 for redirects and 80 will be blocked.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:38AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @04:38AM (#1058917)

        This attitude is why things like MTU discovery often don't work anymore, and hacks like MSS clamping are used to work around broken sites.

        ICMP is not optional, and those who block all ICMP are breaking IP. ICMP is even more important for IPv6.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:20PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @02:20PM (#1059044)

    Those lazy Russians are always behind the curve. America leads the world in everything. /sarc

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