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on Saturday November 21 2020, @06:57PM
from the different-take-on-Thanksgiving-cooking dept.
from the different-take-on-Thanksgiving-cooking dept.
Hot spring chicken: 3 cited for Yellowstone culinary caper:
A park ranger heard that a group with cooking pots were hiking toward the park's Shoshone Geyser Basin. The ranger found two whole chickens in a burlap sack in a hot spring. A cooking pot was nearby, Yellowstone spokeswoman Linda Veress said.
"Make dinner," said defendant Eric Roberts, of Idaho Falls, Idaho, when asked Thursday what the group was up to in the Yellowstone backcountry.
As for whose idea it was: "It was kind of a joint thing," Roberts explained.
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(Score: 4, Funny) by Megahard on Saturday November 21 2020, @07:13PM (8 children)
That explains a lot.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Saturday November 21 2020, @08:47PM (7 children)
drugs are bad, mmmkay?" [youtube.com]
They carried cooking pots all the way, but then put the chickens in the springs in a burlap sack?
Or were they found *before* they had stated cooking?
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 21 2020, @10:33PM
Old family recipe specifies "marinate in burlap".
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Informative) by PinkyGigglebrain on Saturday November 21 2020, @10:56PM (4 children)
the pots were probably to cook the rest of the ingredients.
its not unheard of in Japan to cook food [aussietaste.com.au] in the hot waters of a hot spring ("Onsen"). The waters in some hot springs can be at near, or even over, boiling when it emerges from the ground, which is more that hot enough to steam/poach food, and the minerals in the water can add so much to the flavor too. I've never had chicken but the onsen tamagos (hot spring egg) is absolutely divine. if you like soft boiled/poached eggs definitely try one if you get the chance.
A couple onsen tamagos on rice with a splash of dashi ...
Damn!, now I'm hungry.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday November 22 2020, @05:27AM (3 children)
A few other cultures who live in volcanically active regions have this as well. I've had thermal-vent-cooked pork. Tasted like ass.
Seriously, it was really bad. Those guys should have been sentenced to eating their rubbery rotten-egg chicken, that would have been punishment enough.
(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Sunday November 22 2020, @07:49AM (2 children)
Considering how volcanic thermal vents normally smell I don't want to imagine what food cooked in it would taste like
You have my sincere sympathies. I can attest that at least the Onsen Tamagos I've had did not taste like sulfur compounds.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday November 22 2020, @07:59AM (1 child)
That's probably because they come in a sealed package, making them one of the few foods you can safely cook in a thermal vent. It'd be a self-selecting choice of foodstuff: Thermal ramen: Tastes like ass. Thermal yakitori: Tastes like ass. Thermal donburi: Tastes like ass. Thermal eggs: Yeah, passable. Note to future chefs: For cooking with thermal vents stick to eggs, or use sous vide bags once they're invented.
Incidentally, what did they taste like? I've heard it's an interesting effect based on not boiling them to death as per the usual practice.
(Score: 3, Informative) by PinkyGigglebrain on Sunday November 22 2020, @09:51PM
Actually egg shells are very permeable to gasses, they have to be to provide the embryos with oxygen and allow CO2 to escape.
From your original description it sounded like the pork was cooked in the hot gasses of the vent, which had a lot of Sulfides in it, and not a hot spring. Any food cooked in such a vent/spring would end up smelling & tasting like rotten eggs. Not a culinary experience I would want to try.
But the amount of sulfides in geothermal vents and springs varies a lot depending on the area. Some springs don't have any noticeable amount of sulfides in them. All the Onsens I visited had an analysis of their hot spring waters posted, lots of metal/mineral salts but no sulfides that I noticed. I've read that closer to Mt Fuji the springs do have more sulfur in them and that would cause the food to pick up some sulfurous scents. No clue to what degree though.
As to the taste of an onsen tamago, the ones I've had tasted mostly like normal , perfectly cooked, soft boiled eggs with a very slight saltiness to them before I added the Dashi.
Want to try them? found this that gets about as close as you can get without special hardware or a backyard Onsen.
https://thechefdojo.com/super-simple-onsen-tamago-recipe/ [thechefdojo.com]
I have not tried this specific method so I can't promise anything.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Sunday November 22 2020, @02:08AM
Sous vide a la Yellowstone. Mmmmm eventually.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 3, Insightful) by anubi on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:17PM (12 children)
Look it up. YouTube.
Unless you found drug intent, these folks are completely innocent. They just wanted a completely harmless life experience.
Leave them be,.... With apology for unwarranted meddling.
Incidentally, animals catch and eat their dinners too.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 1) by anubi on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:19PM (2 children)
Defethering. Not defathering.
Spellchecheckers can get the best of me...
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 3, Funny) by RS3 on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:09AM
Oh, now you tell us. I was about to start an Emily Litella rant about defathering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZLeaSWY37I [youtube.com] Nevermind.
(Score: 3, Touché) by tangomargarine on Sunday November 22 2020, @07:53AM
Or Defeathering even?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law [wikipedia.org]
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 5, Informative) by khallow on Sunday November 22 2020, @12:25AM (6 children)
There are two problems. First, Yellowstone hot springs are pretty dangerous (far from the "completely harmless life experience") - generally hotter than most other hot springs in the world, and with treacherous ground around the spring (it's common for such hot springs to develop a crust around the hot spring. Even if we don't care about the risk to the participants, it also creates dangers for the wildlife who would be attracted to the food smells (bear, ravens, canines, maybe even some herbivores looking for easy protein).
Second, it damages hot springs from scarring, litter and debris clogging the plumbing, and nutrient changes in outflow channels. These things take decades to thousands of years to form. There's already a history of damaged hot springs from previous human interactions over the past century and a half. These things can break very easily and it can take decades or more for them to revert to normal. Getting hit by thousands of cooks a year would not give such a hot spring a chance to recover.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:11AM (2 children)
Third, a geyser raining down skeletal remains of would-be geyser chefs would really put a dent in tourism.
(Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday November 22 2020, @08:01AM
Was this not a thing a while ago? Body not recovered? Ah, here we go!
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-man-dissolved-in-acid-after-trying-to-hot-pot-in-yellowstone-national-park [sciencealert.com] Nov. 2016, about the time Trump was elected. Coincidence! I not think!!
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @11:13AM
Oy!, have you got the wrong humanity...
There's a hell of a lot of people out there who'd pay good money to go see something like that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:12AM (2 children)
At some point genetic cleansing kicks in and it becomes a self-limiting process.
(Score: 3, Flamebait) by c0lo on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:38AM
I'm afraid nature will manage to create stupid at a higher rate than the Yellowstone hot springs can kick them out of the gene pool.
Why, just look at the MAGA crowd if you need proof. [twitter.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 4, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Sunday November 22 2020, @07:51AM
"It's a constant contest between humans developing foolproof systems, and the universe developing developing better idiots. So far, the universe is winning."
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @12:53AM
There is an area in Northern California with a volcanic mud pot field named after a guy who fell through the crust and lost his leg, "Bumpass Hell".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendall_Vanhook_Bumpass [wikipedia.org]
If these folks were close enough to cook in a geyser, they were morons.
And, morons like them ruin these places for everyone else. Go to any of the easily accessible geyser / mud pot fields, and you will see trash and coins in them that morons threw into them because derr fun! At least it sounds like the sacks of chickens were able to be retrieved.
https://www.livescience.com/63768-yellowstone-geyser-garbage-eruption.html [livescience.com]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:24AM
While I recognize your spell check error, this reminded of a story my father told:
In about 1930, he drove cross country in a Ford Model A. On route, he stopped at Yellowstone, which was largely undeveloped. On a whim, he decided to wash some clothes in one of the hot pots (yes, he was about 20 at the time, still had teenager brains...).
On cue, the hot pot/geyser sucked down and pulled his clothes off the stick that he'd used to dangle them with. And then about a minute later the next hole over geysered the clothes back up. Only later did he realize how acidic(??) the water must have been, those clothes were soon full of holes.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ElizabethGreene on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:27PM (12 children)
Is this illegal?
If so, why?
(Score: 2) by drussell on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:44PM (5 children)
From TFA:
So, yeah... Essentially the moral of the story for me is "Don't visit Yellowstone..." Got it.
(Well, at least don't go if you expect to actually GO IN or PLAY WITH the hot springs...)
I still wanna get a Geiger counter someday and actually see what blurps out of the hot springs one of these times when I stop in Radium for a swim.... It even looked like they were OPEN when I drove back by there a few days ago! I thought they would stay closed for the whole pandemic, but I could have sworn I could see people swimming in the main hot pool in the official park pool complex as I was driving by and trying to quickly glance down over the the side on my way up the highway...
I should look that up so see if they actually are open since I haven't been for a nice, warm, relaxing, (radioactive, radon-laced?) soak since last fall. I'll probably be heading back by there around Christmas anyway.... :)
(Score: 4, Informative) by Samantha Wright on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:59PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by drussell on Sunday November 22 2020, @07:06AM
Holy crap, that's an impressive analysis and thorough paper, especially for being published 111 years ago!!
(Incidentally, published the same year my grandmother was born! HAHA!!)
I'm going to sit down and read that whole publication in its entirety now for the intrigue factor on multiple levels!! Unfortunately it obviously doesn't include specifics for the the Radium hot springs that I was talking about since that's way farther up here in Canada, but it is still a fascinating read, nonetheless!
Particularly interesting to me are some of the well described yet (by today's standards) "primitive" apparatus they were using for measurements.... Absolutely brilliant!
WELL DONE and kudos, Schlundt, Moore, et al!!
Too bad most people down there today are apparently so horribly stupid compared to these scientists from back then! WOW!
Those dudes are probably spinning in their graves right now with the lack of scientific awareness in the current US government (and general population.) So sad!!
Ahhh, geez... I truly miss having some sort of sanity WRT our cousins down to the south there that might actually try to practice or listen to science.... What a perfect example of what's seemingly been lost down there in the more recent, "modern" era. Just look at all the data carefully collected and reported in there!!
Compare that to the complete and total "DERP! DERP!" of today.... (facepalm)
Good luck down there, folks! Good luck, indeed!
P.S. I still want to to take a Geiger counter down there sometime... HAHA
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Sunday November 22 2020, @07:47AM (1 child)
You think that's bad? My grandfather had a book that was entirely about the inventive ways people have found to die in Yellowstone. Even setting aside doing dumb shit in hot springs (dive in to rescue a dog, "oh shit, this was a bad idea" immediately; basically dead in the minute before you can get out again), there's falling victim to toxic gases, getting gored by bison, getting eaten by bears, etc., etc. ...it was crazy.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Monday November 23 2020, @01:54AM
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 23 2020, @02:47PM
Yellowstone gets something like a million visitors a year. Most of those stay on the popular routes, all visit Old Faithful. Understandably the facilities get a lot of wear and tear.
But the popular features, Old Faithful, Grand Prismatic Spring, and the Paint Pots, are worth visiting. The Limestone Terraces at Mammoth, have, sadly, been destroyed by visitors who throw coins and shit into the seeps. Just stay on the boardwalks and observe the safety advisories and you will be fine.
Still, Yellowstone is a very big park, and if you're not wedded to the idea of only seeing geothermal features there's a lot to see. There's also something cool about going up to Yellowstone Lake and sitting on top of the supervolcano that's going to destroy the Earth someday.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by drussell on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:48PM
(Not that I would try to cook a chicken in the hot pool (swim pool) of course... HAHA... It would not even be warm enough, obviously but if you climb up some of the mountain trails above there you can find lots of the actual raw springs just blurping out of the ground and probably even still remnants of the original bath houses like I saw back when I was a kid... I haven't even ventured up there in decades.)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Samantha Wright on Saturday November 21 2020, @11:56PM (3 children)
To discourage reckless behaviour around an important natural landmark (and a valuable tourist attraction), basically:
If getting close to the hotsprings is normalized, then according to standard policing theory in the US [wikipedia.org], it will inspire more daring acts that either result in someone getting hurt or the springs covered in graffiti. This is a very common and very real issue [hcn.org].
Remember, laws exist in large part to protect society from individuals who cannot exercise their liberty responsibly. That means we will always live by the tyranny of the least responsible members of society. This is a fact of life, and a weaker law is merely one that permits more reckless behaviour. The only way the world gets better is when we stop these problems at the source, by rooting out the hardships and ills that motivate poor conduct in the first place. Until then, we have to make do with punishments, real or imagined.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:16AM (1 child)
Great post. Someone had modded it troll. Whoever modded it troll needs to lose their mod points for 6 weeks, and I'm not being sarcastic. Immature brats with their troll mods need to be blocked for a while and let the adults talk.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:51AM
That would be one of our LiBeRtarian geniuses who view any government mandated restriction as a personal violation of their basic human rights. Someone justifying the rules? Authoritarian Democrat!
(Score: 1, Troll) by c0lo on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:47AM
Agreed, we need legislation to deal with the carbon emissions of irresponsible Americans [wikipedia.org] (and Aussies too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 4, Informative) by Hartree on Sunday November 22 2020, @02:47AM
There's an old trick of "soaping" a geyser to make it erupt and the popularity of it led to rules prohibiting putting foreign matter into thermal features. It can actually damage them. A number of thermal features have been damaged by debris over the years.
See, for example: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/yellowstone-geysers-trash-garbage [atlasobscura.com]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:42AM
Mmmm, capers [wikipedia.org], yummy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by MIRV888 on Sunday November 22 2020, @06:58AM
Yellowstone isn't some Kentucky back hills spring flowing out a small of super heated water that can be used safely.
'The right to scald oneself shall not be infringed.' because 'Murcan.
This has 'horrifying death' written all over it.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22 2020, @07:02PM (2 children)
This is one big reason why i don't go to the UN-owned elite's private reserves (aka national parks). Park rangers are some of the worst pigs there are.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 23 2020, @02:41PM (1 child)
You're thinking of the Canadian national parks, which limit access to the general public, not the American ones (save for Yosemite).
For a better national park experience in America, choose the less popular ones. Canyonlands beats the Grand Canyon both in vistas and in crowds. Capitol Reef beats Zion for crowds. Kings Canyon beats Yosemite. National Monuments can often be better, too. Grand Staircase-Escalante is gorgeous, and there's almost nobody there.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2020, @03:01AM
Great Sand Dunes National Park & Preserve, Colorado -- highly recommended and empty when we visited in the fall (c.1990) https://www.nps.gov/grsa/index.htm [nps.gov]
Bring shoes that you don't mind filling with very fine sand!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 23 2020, @12:26AM
Is this the brother of Julia Roberts, also known for his b-rated one-hit-wonder kungfu caper in the 80's The Best of the Best? If it is, I'm not surprised he's cooking chicken off of a geyser...
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 23 2020, @02:35PM
Yellowstone's geysers, hot pools, and mud springs are no joke. When the signs say "Stay on the Boardwalk," visitors should stay on the boardwalk:
My brother-in-law's family moved up from California when he was a young teenager, and decided to stop in Yellowstone on the way to their new home. The family dog had been stuck in the sweltering car all day, so when it saw the pool of water close to the parking lot, it burst out before anybody could catch it and jumped in the water. My brother-in-law's dad tried to run after it and broke through the crust surrounding the pool. The dog died, obviously, and the dad sustained 2nd degree burns to his ankles.
When in Yellowstone, follow the safety advisories.
Washington DC delenda est.