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posted by mrpg on Wednesday January 20 2021, @10:00AM   Printer-friendly
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GitHub has received a DMCA from MPA for torrent tracker source code

Dear GitHub Inc.:

[...] We are writing to notify you of, and request your assistance in addressing, the extensive copyright infringement of motion pictures and television programs that is occurring by virtue of the operation and further development of the Bittorrent website Nyaa.si’s “nyaa” repository (the “Project”), which is hosted on and available for download from your repository GitHub.com (the “Repository”) found at https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/ (the “URL”). Specifically, at the URL, the Repository hosts and offers for download the Project, which, when downloaded, provides the downloader everything necessary to launch and host a “clone” infringing website identical to Nyaa.si (and, thus, engage in massive infringement of copyrighted motion pictures and television shows).

[...] Exhibit A, moreover, merely provides concrete examples of what is obvious from even a cursory review of the Project. The Project blatantly infringes the MPA Member Studios’ copyrights and countless other copyrights. Indeed, copyright infringement is so prevalent within the Project that infringement plainly is its predominant use and purpose.

[...] For your convenience, we have included links to the infringing files below:
https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/blob/master/utils/api_info.py
https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/blob/master/utils/api_uploader_v2.py
https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/blob/master/nyaa/static/search-sukebei.xml
https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/blob/master/nyaa/api_handler.py
https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/blob/master/.docker/nyaa-config-partial.py
https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/blob/master/nyaa/torrents.py
https://github.com/nyaadevs/nyaa/blob/master/nyaa/templates/home.html
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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Nuke on Wednesday January 20 2021, @10:26AM (9 children)

    by Nuke (3162) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @10:26AM (#1102807)

    Next, book publishing companies tell Canon and Xerox to stop selling photocopiers.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:26AM (8 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:26AM (#1102816)

      No - actually, next the publishing companies demand royalties from the paper manufacturers, electronic storage manufacturers, web hosting sites, and search engines. Precedent: cassette tape players and media.

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Mojibake Tengu on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:09PM (7 children)

        by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:09PM (#1102821) Journal

        Hard disks and flash media are taxed here for decades, for copyright agencies extorting their royalties.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:48PM (4 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:48PM (#1102843)

          How much is this tax?

          A 90 minute cassette tape might have sold for $3 with maybe $0.50 going in royalties.

          Today, a $30 flash memory could probably hold 900 years of higher quality audio than the cassette tape could.

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          • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:17PM (3 children)

            by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:17PM (#1102848) Journal

            New numbers since 2009:

            https://www.zive.cz/Clanky/Autorske-poplatky-za-pametove-karty-a-pevne-disky-nove/sc-3-a-145269/default.aspx [www.zive.cz]

            And printers, too.

            It's all not about capacity or data quality. It's about continuous medieval-like extortion.

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            • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:04PM (1 child)

              by Freeman (732) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:04PM (#1102935) Journal

              Nice, the site is in, um Czech? It also has a nice little pop-up, I'm guessing that is complaining about by ad-blocker. I got that much, because I sent the link through Google Translate. I'm not clicking on any of the links that might do something about the pop-up, because one is still in the foreign language, one seems to be a "continue with advertisements", and the other seems to be mistranslated. Then, looking at the article behind it, since it still let's me scroll the page, just with the annoying pop-up in front of it with a darkened background. I see that there' something about a flatbread, maybe should be translated as a breadboard or PCB or something, but wow Google Translate just isn't working the greatest on that page.

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              • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:37PM

                by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:37PM (#1102969) Journal

                An extraordinary newsbitchsite, I agree to that, but nothing AdBlock and Privacy Badger together could not handle. Needs hand tuning though.
                It was just the first at hand in DuckDuck for the relevant information.

                But blame the wrong translation on Google Translate AI, that's the one being stupid here ;) It cannot handle complex languages with rich flexion seriously at all.

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            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:13PM

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:13PM (#1102946)

              At least it is decreasing in proportion to capability. I agree, it's a messed up tax - I would much rather fund "the arts" directly from the general fund instead of singling out copy technology for additional extortion.

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        • (Score: 2) by zoward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @10:53PM (1 child)

          by zoward (4734) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @10:53PM (#1103126)

          I always hated this, the idea that I'm paying extra to the rightsholders to make a backup of music I bought. I wonder how many people consider this a moral justification for music piracy - "I'm just paying for the music on the backend". I also wonder how much of that tax money actually made it back to the artists who created the music?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @01:00AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @01:00AM (#1103193)

            I always hated this, the idea that I'm paying extra to the rightsholders to make a backup of music I bought. I wonder how many people consider this a moral justification for music piracy - "I'm just paying for the music on the backend". I also wonder how much of that tax money actually made it back to the artists who created the music?

            This was my exact thought. "I'm already paying for the music, might as well make another copy!"

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @10:31AM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @10:31AM (#1102808)

    For those unaware, nyaa.si is currently one of the most visited torrent sites for anime, manga, and other Japanese language media. Most of the media there has either been fansubbed in English and other languages, or ripped from pay streaming sites with whatever language subtitles and/or dubbing may be available.

    The timing of this is probably related to Sony's recent acquisition of Crunchyroll, one of the main English-language anime streaming sites. Sony previously had acquired Funimation, another one of the main English-language anime streaming sites (although Funimation also publishes anime on DVD/Blu-ray as well). If you enjoy irony, years ago Crunchyroll started as an illegal fansub provider, before "going legit" and licensing shows for streaming.

    The anime industry has been playing whack-a-mole with the fansub community for decades now. Whenever they strike a torrent site down, another pops up quickly.

    Going after the actual code for the site is a new twist, though. Points for effort.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Marand on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:24AM (7 children)

      by Marand (1081) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:24AM (#1102815) Journal

      Thanks for doing the job of the submitter and editors here by actually supplying a fucking summary instead of just posting a DMCA takedown notice and assuming everyone already knows and cares. I loaded the summary expecting some useful detail, found none, then checked for useful links but there's only the one to the DMCA notice. Nothing about what the DMCA notice is actually taking down, nothing about what was provided, nothing useful at all.

      I usually don't complain about submissions because I appreciate that people are submitting things even if they don't interest me or seem silly, but seriously, if you have to go elsewhere to get any details at all about the story, then what's the point of the submission here?

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:36PM (3 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:36PM (#1102852) Journal

        To answer your question.

        I am unfamiliar with anime, manga, and other Japanese language media, nyaa.si, torrent sites for piracy, or the fact that this torrent product came pre-set up. Now that last one I might have picked up on by doing some research.

        The MPA doing a DMCA takedown for source code seems news worthy on its face for a tech site. I found the grandparent posters post definitely informative as you did.

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        • (Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:19PM (2 children)

          by Marand (1081) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:19PM (#1102870) Journal

          The MPA doing a DMCA takedown for source code seems news worthy on its face for a tech site

          I agree, but the notice by itself with no additional context does not make a worthwhile summary for a tech news site. I read the summary because I was interested in knowing what was being taken down and, having finished reading it, still had no idea what made the removal interesting. Was it a ludicrous removal like the attack on youtube-dl, or was it actually piracy-related and potentially valid? I expected to find out but did not until the AC explained.

          The topic itself is valid and potentially interesting, but the submission as it was posted wasn't quite ready for posting. Which is fair, you didn't know enough about the topic to write a full summary (and good for you for not attempting to fake expertise and possibly write a laughably wrong summary), but it should never have gotten past the editors without some attempt at adding more detail.

          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:27PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:27PM (#1102875) Journal

            The top level post is informative. It adds significant value to the story. I would consider myself generally well informed about many things. But not all-knowing. Similarly, the editors may be smart people who were unaware of the information contributed by the informative post.

            The alternative could be to require a level of research that discourages submissions, or discourages approving submissions.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:32PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:32PM (#1102880) Journal

            Was it a ludicrous removal like the attack on youtube-dl

            I suppose that depends on your point of view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS_haiku [wikipedia.org] I, for one, think it ludicrous.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:47PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:47PM (#1102923)

        Nothing about what the DMCA notice is actually taking down,

        So you missed these bits?

        GitHub received DMCA from MPA over torrent tracker source code

        Okay, so they're plain text URLs, not links, but that's quibbling.

        • (Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:00PM

          by Marand (1081) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:00PM (#1102931) Journal

          GitHub received DMCA from MPA over torrent tracker source code

          That's insufficient info for a summary of why this is interesting or relevant to anyone. Oh no, a DMCA request over a torrent tracker. The DMCA is supposed to be about taking copyright-infringing material offline so with no additional context and no way to see what got taken down the title alone is rather worthless. I could have looked for more info elsewhere, but that's my point: if that's the level of quality to expect from posted summaries there isn't much point reading them at all. SN is usually better than this. Hell, even Slashdot is usually better than this.

          Okay, so they're plain text URLs, not links, but that's quibbling.

          You mean the URLs that don't work because the repo has been taken down? Yeah, those were really useful for seeing why there was a DMCA notice.

          My point stands, the summary had no useful info beyond re-posting a DMCA notice and shouldn't have been let through in this state. An actual summary of what was removed and why should have been the bare-minimum expectation for the submission to get cleared.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @01:19AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @01:19AM (#1103205)

        Thanks for doing the job of the submitter and editors here by actually supplying a fucking summary instead of just posting a DMCA takedown notice and assuming everyone already knows and cares. I loaded the summary expecting some useful detail, found none, then checked for useful links but there's only the one to the DMCA notice. Nothing about what the DMCA notice is actually taking down, nothing about what was provided, nothing useful at all.

        I usually don't complain about submissions because I appreciate that people are submitting things even if they don't interest me or seem silly, but seriously, if you have to go elsewhere to get any details at all about the story, then what's the point of the submission here?

        I'm sure the editors will take your comment under advisement and try to spoon feed you and wipe your chin with better summaries next time. Let me help you a little bit here: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=nyaa.si+source+code+github+takedown [lmgtfy.app]. Don't forget to close the door on your way out.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:30AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:30AM (#1102817)

      Going after the actual code for the site is a new twist

      Mirror to gitlab in 3... 2... 1...

      Actually, what would be interesting would be a torrent host for git repositories - when you push a patch to the torrent it is immediately mirrored to all the other host sites, and a pull only needs to reach one (or more) functioning sites that contain the most recent patches.

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    • (Score: 2) by unauthorized on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:22PM

      by unauthorized (3776) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:22PM (#1102837)

      Whenever they strike a torrent site down, another pops up quickly.

      Already exists under nyaa.net (previously nyaa.pantsu.cat). Both websites are clones of the former nyaa.net which was taken down by it's operators years ago.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by RamiK on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:30PM

      by RamiK (1813) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:30PM (#1102879)

      Going after the actual code for the site is a new twist, though. Points for effort.

      It's also incredibly short sighted seeing how it forces developers and users to seek more decentralized solution which would be even harder for the industry to take-down/trace back to the distributor/s.

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    • (Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:45PM

      by digitalaudiorock (688) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:45PM (#1102888) Journal

      The timing of this is probably related to Sony's recent acquisition of Crunchyroll, one of the main English-language anime streaming sites.

      Oh the irony. Remember when Sony was the one pushing their DAT tape recorders, and the record industry killed the format by refusing to release anything on it out of fear of lossless piracy? Serious conflicting interests at work there.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:09AM (48 children)

    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @11:09AM (#1102811)

    While I'm all for pirating and have not in 20 years paid for music or movies for my sole purpose of "f u assholes," this is not a takedown for any source code.

    the source code is not just a blank torrent tracker. when you set it up, it sets up your site with already present copyrighted torrents. it does not set up a tracker with an empty database which you can populate with legal content.

    let's compare this to a grocery store selling ziplock bags. they can sell ziplock bags. but they are selling ziplock bags with heroin in them. now some faggot with an agenda writes an article: "police claim ziplock bags are illegal." no silly faggot, it's the heroin that's illegal.

    given that, heroin and all drugs should be legal. the government should not be able to make it a crime to hurt yourself and enforce that with violence.

    • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by c0lo on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:21PM (32 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:21PM (#1102823) Journal

      given that, heroin and all drugs should be legal. the government should not be able to make it a crime to hurt yourself and enforce that with violence.

      I wouldn't have a problem if the junkies were hurting only themselves.
      Unfortunatelly, they hurt many innocent others too.

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      • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:11PM (13 children)

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:11PM (#1102835)

        They are hurting others by having a bag of heroin on them, and shooting it in their arm? Because that alone puts you in prison right now. If they do something else, like steal to get money for heroin, that's already illegal under different laws. Right now, they're in prison if they don't do any of that bad stuff and just hurt themselves.

        Your ends justify the means logic is a nazi trait btw. Casting a wide net and punishing innocent people for the good of society?

        >Unfortunatelly, they hurt many innocent others too.
        this is literally false. that's literally like saying we need to outlaw being black, because blacks commit a lot of crime. "they" is a portion of junkies. you saying "they" to mean "junkies" does not make it true. it makes you a stereotypical idiot.

        • (Score: 3, Disagree) by DannyB on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:31PM (9 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:31PM (#1102851) Journal

          They are hurting others by having a bag of heroin on them, and shooting it in their arm?

          Nice missing of the point.

          The problem is that very soon nothing matters but staying high and getting next fix.

          Unimportant things that no longer matter:
          * child care
          * staying employed or employable
          * paying rent (and other bills)
          * obeying laws

          It may not be the first hit that does it. But sooner or later all users fall into this many decades old trap that is a totally recognizable pattern. But many first time users think they are somehow uniquely immune. They'll just try it once. How many have said that?

          They might not have to pay rent, but they do have to pay their dealer. So they sooner or later turn to crime.

          This is the point where others are hurt.

          Of course if child care is neglected that is also a point where others are hurt.

          If the addict's family members try to help them, they too become victims and are hurt. Almost certainly by being robbed. Repeatedly.

          Now we come to why society, the majority, have decided that the real crime is the drug itself and its distribution.

          Finally, the user does hurt themselves, which hurts others in another way. They will need health care. And guess who pays for that? All of the rest of us. At least smokers typically have health insurance and pay higher premiums for their choice to smoke.

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          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:37PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:37PM (#1102917)

            He missed your stupid point, but I think he hit the vein. You are just making stuff up. If heroin is legal, junkies have no reason to hide, no reason to buy dirty dope for crazy prices and risk death. Plenty of people can handle a drug habit and a job - see all of history before the 1900s. Why do you hate for people to feel good and be happy?

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:19PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:19PM (#1102953)

            The problem is that very soon nothing matters but staying high and getting next fix.

            So I take it you've never met a functioning alcoholic before.

            • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by DannyB on Wednesday January 20 2021, @07:27PM (2 children)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @07:27PM (#1103044) Journal

              I have a relative who is a functioning alcoholic.

              I also occasionally use prescription narcotic pain killers -- for 12 years this month. The secret to not getting addicted is to not use them unless it is really necessary. After all, it is a medication or therapy or treatment -- not for fun. But I do understand how people could get addicted to that stuff. It's really good stuff. Pharmacy pure. Every dose is precisely like the previous one without variation. But I also have a life and don't want to screw it up with narcotics.

              IF someone could take heroin and be functioning in society, I would have a change of opinion. But I am skeptical.

              But then marijuana never should have been made illegal either. And while I never drink alcohol, I think prohibition should also never have happened. Too many busy bodies in government.

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              • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by linuxrocks123 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @08:38PM

                by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @08:38PM (#1103076) Journal

                There are functioning heroin addicts:

                https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/health/functioning-heroin-addicts/index.html [cnn.com]

                There was a different story, which I can no longer find online, in which this guy (I think a doctor) semi-facetiously says he takes one hit for his wife, one hit for his mistress, and one hit for himself.

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:26PM

                by sjames (2882) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:26PM (#1103086) Journal

                Heroin is just yet another opioid (narcotic) pain killer. However justifiable, YOU are the example you are looking for. There are others who also started out using opioids like you are now, but for reasons not fully understood they spiraled into an addiction that ended with them buying whatever street opioids they could get their hands on. That is a problem that needs to be addressed, but jail time and unemployability is not the answer.

            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @08:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @08:03PM (#1103059)

              That's different, because alcohol is legal.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by sjames on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:15PM

            by sjames (2882) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:15PM (#1103085) Journal

            On the other hand, after WWI there were quite a few involuntary heroin addicts who, in spite of their addiction, went on to lead productive lives.

            I certainly don't advise ever doing heroin as a recreational drug, but this suggests there is more to it and that at least some of the damage should actually be blamed on the laws themselves. I suspect another part of it is that many people who get into heroine are already dysfunctional. Even if heroin never existed they weren't going to be parent or employee of the year. The fact that they actually did heroin that first time demonstrates that not obeying laws was a "pre-existing condition".

            Of course, we still have a fair number of involuntary opioid addicts out there, only unlike their WWI counterparts, they are treated as sub-humans than need to be fired and locked in a cage.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:22PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:22PM (#1103511)

            Addiction is a myth perpetuated by and large by the descendants of those puritans who convinced the United States to outlaw Alcohol; that went over well. If you're an asshole, you'll probably be a drunk asshole. If you see nothing wrong with stealing, you probably won't hesitate to steal to get drugs. People who choose to use ANY mind altering substance to distract/dull/numb pain, probably do have at least one problem; they are in pain. The question is why. Maybe they are in pain because their parents were backwards ass puritanical freaks who thought their son needed to have his foreskin cut off to prevent him from masterbating when he gets older. Maybe this person is in pain because they have an existential psychological chip on their shoulder because they weren't a, 'planned,' pregnancy; and, subsequently, neither parent really wanted that child; but, due to guilt and feelings of obligation raised the poor bastard up. Can you imagine how many children in this world grow up in houses where they root underlying psychological theme is, 'you are a pest and we love you because we, 'must,' love you,' lol. If it wasn't such a hilarious situation from a certain point of view, it would be the most tragic thing in the world.

            Have you ever known or seen a man who had a mother that truly loved him and intentionally brought him into the world and, 'enjoyed,' raising him to be a man? I can spot these men from a mile away. They are BURSTING with confidence and they never fail to achieve what they set themselves out to. You can also spot the people that were merely, 'results,' of, at best passion... They come from miserable families, they lead miserable lives; and at best, they may drink themselves drunk with so much religion that their only real reason for putting up with being alive is that, they will be rewarded in heaven some day. As if sunshine, water, food, sex, love, plants, birds, oceans, planets, stars, quasars, beauty, music, etc.. etc.. etc.. wasn't possible enough of a celebration for life on THIS earth, in of itself.

            Most of the hate and prejudice leveled at drug users lies in ignorance of the one's dishing it out. It's really a disgusting sort of disdain. Have you ever seen a cockroach and just felt like, 'ew,' and wanted to, 'exterminate,' it, in some way? You think it's okay to view humans like that? Much less a cockroach?

            People can be awful and do awful things; whether they are inebriated or not. It's much easier to scapegoat an inanimate substance, than for society and individuals to look within themselves and ask, 'how am I contributing to that which disgusts me.' Most people don't want to do that. I wonder even if people are, 'capable,' of doing that, if they have the circuitry required. I think they do; but, so long as they don't, 'have,' to, they won't.

            So go read some Carl Hart and other, 'honest,' literature. Or go bury your head in the sand like everyone else.

            Making drugs illegal is like saying, 'you can only use electronics while you are in a bathtub,' then bemoaning the horrors of electronics because people tend to get electrocuted when using them. No, you idiot, maybe if people were allowed to use electronics outside of a bathtub full of water, people would be less likely to electrocute themselves. Sure, it would still happen; but, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to avoid it; and hey, we might even be able to do some cool stuff with that electricity. Like send a message with a Turing machine over cables and light waves. (can you understand that metaphor?)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:34PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:34PM (#1103513)

              Furthermore, we live in a society that persecutes the drug dealer and then simultaneously celebrates and worships people like Steve Jobs; a man who could arguably be credited with mixing the psychology of cult building tactics with selling products. Psychological manipulation to create brand loyalty sounds pretty fucked up to me. Steve Jobs not so famously stole, I believe it was 5,000 dollars from Wosniak, at one point; maybe it was 2000.. So, I guess people stealing to get a fix, is bad; but doing it to friends and the public at large and amassing a huge fortune is worth celebrating and practically worshipping, lol. This is why we can't have nice things people. Of course stealing for personal gain is wrong to varying degrees of severity; but, we live in a society that bemoans petty theft and simultaneously looks up to as a role model the very rich and successful people that got to where they are by literally, actually, factually, robbing us. That's thanking the thief for selling you your own watch back; except that 1,000 dollars you are out of, now doesn't get put to the good of society; and, on top of that, you are giving the very people that suffer because of your ignorance, a hard time.

        • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by c0lo on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:36PM (1 child)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:36PM (#1102853) Journal

          Your ends justify the means logic is a nazi trait btw.

          Fuck off and build your strawmen somewhere else.
          Read again my "I wouldn't have a problem if the junkies were hurting only themselves." and show me where I said your govt solution is justified.
          All I did was to take exception with your "oh, but they are soooo sweet, they are only hurting themselves".

          Let me translate: criminalizing drug exacerbate the problem, but legalizing them will not solve it entirely. You'll need to put something in addition to it. Maybe learn from Portugal what that extra is.

          >Unfortunatelly, they hurt many innocent others too.
          this is literally false.

          Is it?
          No violent junkies, no maniacal episodes following heroin consumption?
          No higher risks for hepatitis/AIDS/tuberculosis infection transmissible to others?
          No family problems, with loss of income and increased cost of satisfying addiction?

          that's literally like saying we need to outlaw being black, because blacks commit a lot of crime. "they" is a portion of junkies.

          Aaand... fuck off again, mate.
          Do you deny junkies exist and they hurt innocents too, even when the cause of their addiction is legal?
          Like, no alcohol junkies? No gambling junkies?
          Must be very "en rose" in the universe you're living, what a pity it's a delusion.

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:41PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:41PM (#1102920)

            Some people eat too much sugar, are you going to require a prescription to eat cake? You fuck off with your moralizing. A human is not a machine that works for the benefit of society! The madness of prohibition has blinded you to reality, as evidenced by your hysterical shrieking.

        • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by DannyB on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:46PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:46PM (#1102855) Journal

          Casting a wide net and punishing innocent people for the good of society?

          It's not punishing for the good of society. It is society protecting itself from the high costs and harms done to others by someone's choices. If it only hurt the user and nobody else, it wouldn't be illegal. See: Tobacco. And increasingly: Marijuana.

          this is literally false. that's literally like saying we need to outlaw being black, because blacks commit a lot of crime.

          This would literally be more readable if you literally would not use the word literally which literally adds no value to your sentence. The word does not somehow make your argument stronger. If something is false, it is false. If you are making a comparison "that's like saying", the word doesn't strengthen your argument.

          Being black is not a choice. Use of heroin is a choice. Committing crimes is a choice, not a predisposition because one is non-white.

          Even if one accepted the argument that blacks commit more crime, (and I do NOT accept that argument), that does not negate the fact that crime is a choice. And some non-white people choose NOT to commit crimes and even educate themselves and have achievements and excellent careers.

          --
          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by deimtee on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:34PM (16 children)

        by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:34PM (#1102839) Journal

        Virtually all of the crime and damage associated with drugs is simply because they are illegal. Heroin would cost about a dollar a pound if it was legal. Cocaine slightly more, grass would be practically free. Supplies would be of known high purity and overdoses rare. All of the health problems from contaminants would go away. You would be able to buy decongestants that actually work instead of setting up a home lab to produce them from meth.

        From an ethical point of view, I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone else what they may or may not do to their own body.

        --
        If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:09PM (4 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:09PM (#1102846) Journal

          Virtually all of the crime and damage associated with drugs is simply because they are illegal

          Disagree. Do exemplify your assertion on how the cheap availability of alcohol doesn't create crime and damage at all in society.

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:50PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:50PM (#1102858)

            Look what happened during prohibition and compare to after prohibition was done away with. An entire violent mafia with elaborate underground smuggling operations were created until alcohol was legalized.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:02PM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:02PM (#1102863) Journal

              Look what happened during prohibition and compare to after prohibition was done away with.

              Mate, show me where I said that prohibiting drugs is a solution.
              I only pointed that, even for legal drugs, there are innocents that suffer. Don't delude yourself in thinking legalizing drug is gonna make the problems caused by the junkies go away - you will need to do something more [theguardian.com].

              --
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:44PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:44PM (#1102921)

            No, you show me where the alcohol is the problem. Show me that those people aren't shitty regardless of whether they're drunk.

            • (Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:31PM

              by sjames (2882) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:31PM (#1103090) Journal

              I know that some people in AA draw a distinction between the recovering alcoholics and "dry drunks".

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:53PM (5 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:53PM (#1102859) Journal

          Virtually all of the crime and damage associated with drugs is simply because they are illegal.

          Disagree. See my post above this one.

          The real problem is that once addicted, nothing else matters except staying high. If one cannot stay employed, they sooner or later cannot pay for their legal drug no matter how cheap it is. They still will have health problems that everyone else must pay for. They still will be on the street because they can't pay their rent if unemployed. They still won't take care of their children. These things don't change by making the drug legal. It still has the same chemical effects upon the user once it is in their system.

          Now if the users could go to some island where nobody else has to fund their existence because of their poor choices, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Until then, it should remain illegal. Of course, it could be illegal in society and perfectly legal in some special island or enclave fenced off from the rest of society, and with the up-front condition that nobody else has to pay.

          --
          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:28PM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:28PM (#1102876) Journal

            Until then, it should remain illegal.

            Ummm... disagree.

            For every complex human problem, there is a solution that is neat, simple and wrong

            --- H. L. Mencken

            There is a cost of living as a human society, if you try to minimize it, at least try do it properly [transformdrugs.org]

            Portugal decriminalised the personal possession of all drugs in 2001. This means that, while it is no longer a criminal offence to possess drugs for personal use, it is still an administrative violation, punishable by penalties such as fines or community service.
            ...
            Portugal complemented its policy of decriminalisation by allocating greater resources across the drugs field, expanding and improving prevention, treatment, harm reduction and social reintegration programmes. The introduction of these measures coincided with an expansion of the Portuguese welfare state, which included a guaranteed minimum income. While decriminalisation played an important role, it is likely that the positive outcomes described below would not have been achieved without these wider health and social reforms.
            ...
            Overall, this suggests that removing criminal penalties for personal drug possession did not cause an increase in levels of drug use. This tallies with a significant body of evidence from around the world that shows the enforcement of criminal drug laws has, at best, a marginal impact in deterring people from using drugs.

            --
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2) by Spamalope on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:28PM (1 child)

            by Spamalope (5233) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:28PM (#1102877) Homepage

            Drugs can act like a zero day exploit to our brain structure.
            Without restriction processed food mega corps could include small doses to addict customers. The history of tobacco companies shows something related happening. (or unethical smaller company, restaurant etc)
            So some people have at least near permanent brain re-wiring as a wetware 'sploit when dosed with some drugs. For those people is it really free will past that point? If it's a roofie we agree that shouldn't be allowed, I don't think it should for drugs with this kind of property either. (I'm not talking about weed)
            Then too, LSD/Peyote seem to have real therapeutic mental health uses and should have restrictions relaxed to be no higher than narcotic pain killers so it can be studied and used where appropriate.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:29PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:29PM (#1103089)

              Which gives them access to a much more damaging exploit in the damn wetware.

              Compare bulk-producing and physically distributing a chemical substance, only to instill the thought "I want more of it" in the victims; to hiring some nice faces with nice voices ready to tell lies for you on camera, and making the victims believe absolutely anything you wish. Drugs are just so lame it is not even funny.

              Look around you, and just compare the largest corporations selling alcohol and tobacco, to the largest ones selling ads and displaying videos. And become enlightened.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:25PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:25PM (#1102914)

            The real problem is that once addicted, nothing else matters except staying high.

            Look up the stats on how many high-performing professionals were on heroin or cocaine back before they were illegal. It is not the drugs that cause the damage and obsession, it is anxiety over withdrawal and the paranoia illegality induces. The variable quality means that addicts can't function normally, either they are high or jonesing.

            They still will have health problems that everyone else must pay for.

            So instead you have overdoses and contaminated drugs and mugging victims that cost the health system far more.

            They still will be on the street because they can't pay their rent if unemployed. They still won't take care of their children.

            And they pay their rent and look after their kids now? No, they are too busy committing crimes because there is no way to legally afford black market drugs. If you legalize drugs then muggings, burglaries and home invasions will go way down. If your habit costs $300 a day you are going into crime. If it's legal and costs $2 a day you can get by working at McDonalds.

            These things don't change by making the drug legal. It still has the same chemical effects upon the user once it is in their system.

            Yes they do change. Studies of paranoia in heavy marijuana users show a marked difference depending on whether it is legal. The paranoia is actually caused by worrying about the cops.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:10PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:10PM (#1102940)

              ... high-performing professionals were on heroin or cocaine back before they were illegal.

              Hermann Göring!

        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:12PM

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:12PM (#1102867) Journal

          That's overstating the case. But you are essentially correct.

          OTOH, advertising addictive drugs should be illegal. And strongly enforced. With a fairly wide interpretation of what "advertising" is.

          --
          Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
        • (Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:36PM (3 children)

          by Marand (1081) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:36PM (#1102882) Journal

          From an ethical point of view, I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone else what they may or may not do to their own body.

          I tend to agree with this sentiment, but it occurs to me that there are potential limits to even that. It's easy to say "do what you like as long as you're only hurting yourself" but sometimes doing what you like to yourself indirectly hurts others as well. A family member dealing with addiction doesn't physically hurt others but it wouldn't be fair to them to have to live with that and butt out because "well he's only hurting himself", for example.

          Or what about suicide? If someone wants to commit suicide, it's their body and their decision so why is it someone else's place to decide that they're wrong to make that decision? It's easy to argue that intervention is necessary because they're not making a rational, sane choice, but that's basically just forcing cultural norms on someone and declaring that, because they're deciding something everyone else thinks is wrong it must be wrong.

          There's clearly more nuance to these things than a complete hands-off approach. Actions that are technically of the self-contained "I'm doing what I want and not hurting anyone else" variety still have indirect effects on others, so the question is where is the line drawn and why? When do we prioritise someone's freedom of self and self-harm over the effects (both direct and indirect) on others?

          Just something to think about. I generally agree with leaving people alone to do what they want but I realised that I haven't fully considered the implications of it.

          • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:12PM (1 child)

            by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:12PM (#1102945)

            A family member dealing with addiction doesn't physically hurt others but it wouldn't be fair to them to have to live with that and butt out because "well he's only hurting himself", for example.

            They can try to talk them out of it all they want, as long as it doesn't involve involuntary confinement. There's a reason that e.g. driving drunk and vehicular manslaughter are illegal, but *being* drunk isn't.

            Or what about suicide? If someone wants to commit suicide, it's their body and their decision so why is it someone else's place to decide that they're wrong to make that decision?

            Exactly.

            It's easy to argue that intervention is necessary because they're not making a rational, sane choice, but that's basically just forcing cultural norms on someone and declaring that, because they're deciding something everyone else thinks is wrong it must be wrong.

            I mean yes, this whole thing is a sad topic, but...what freedom is more fundamental than letting somebody choose when to die? You're going to force somebody to keep living against their will, probably confined to a mental hospital? At least when you're in prison for committing a crime, you did something illegal.

            There's clearly more nuance to these things than a complete hands-off approach

            It's a fair point to raise, even if I don't personally agree with your counterexamples.

            --
            "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
            • (Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:47PM

              by Marand (1081) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:47PM (#1102978) Journal

              It's a fair point to raise, even if I don't personally agree with your counterexamples.

              Well, my point with the examples was just that "only harms yourself" situations can still cause trauma and (emotional) pain to others so it's not entirely fair to suggest that they shouldn't try to intervene. It's another facet of the quote about one's right to swing a fist ends where another person's face begins; self-destructive actions also cause incidental harm to others and can't be considered in complete isolation.

              I mentioned the suicide example specifically because, even among people that otherwise think "let people do what they want, they're not hurting anybody", it's almost universally accepted that if someone is suicidal you "try to get them help" rather than let them do what they want at the time. It was an example of how it's not necessarily as clear as one might think at first.

              So, while I generally agree with letting people do what they want if they're not directly harming others, I realised that there are times where they can still be indirectly harming others, so maybe it's not quite as absolute. I'm not sure where I'd personally draw the line on it. It's likely one of those situational things where I'd sometimes fall on one side of it, but other times fall on the other; still, it's something to think about.

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:42PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @09:42PM (#1103096)

            but sometimes doing what you like to yourself indirectly hurts others as well.

            Your LIVING indirectly hurts others, as you eat, drink, and wear what they could eat, drink, and wear instead.

            You are not their mommy and they are not your owners. Your life belongs to you, not to someone else. When someone tells you otherwise, it is to use you.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @08:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @08:35PM (#1103074)

        "I wouldn't have a problem if the junkies were hurting only themselves.
        Unfortunatelly, they hurt many innocent others too."

        and those are called "crimes". The cops don't do their fucking jobs on real, actual crimes, so we make criminals out of people who aren't committing actual crimes? Are you stupid or just have no integrity?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:32PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:32PM (#1102825)

      That grocery store left the address of a heroin dealer. The new owner has to go to the dealer and buy the heroin themselves.

      • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:04PM

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:04PM (#1102833)

        Under current law, that address of a heroin dealer is illegal for the store to sell. I never claimed this law was right or ethical.

        What I did claim, is that the title is completely full of crap, and makes it seem like the media industry is trying to take down filesharing programs. They took down links to copyrighted content, and those links are illegal as the law stands now. This purposeful spreading of blatant lies and misinformation by anyone reporting any kind of news, is a much bigger problem than the copyright lawsuits. What the article is doing is worse than what the people they're accusing are doing. faggots all around.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:36PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @12:36PM (#1102827)

      When did you stop hunking up your comments with misogyny and racism?

      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:07PM (8 children)

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @01:07PM (#1102834)

        lol. you must not be reading all my comments nigger. they only get wildly offensive when I've responding to dumb clowns like yourself. One purpose of this site for me is technical discussion. The other is laughing at stupid clowns. If you read the technical discussion threads, you're not going to see any racism, you stupid nigger clown cuck trying to fight for the the internet having politically correct speech. it's funny how someone who is clearly an aging adult fights the fight of an edgy white suburban teenager.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:15PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @02:15PM (#1102847)
          Conveniently for you, you seem to have "forgotten" your previous unprompted racist and offensive comments in various technical discussion threads.
          • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:44PM (4 children)

            by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday January 20 2021, @04:44PM (#1102922)

            This is because you made up your own definition of racist. According to my definition of cat, you're a cat. Tell me, why are you a cat? Why are you trying to lick the internet clean, one random forum at a time? Nothing else going on in your life?

            Call me racist if you want, call me whatever you want. All it means is you're on some fixated autism-quest, because you have no other accomplishments in your life.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @03:29AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @03:29AM (#1103254)

              I'm with the other AC. In every thread you post in, you're a complete racist, sexist, bigoted asshole. That you don't see that only shows how deeply ingrained it is, that you think your antisocial behavior is somehow normal.

              • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:44PM

                by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:44PM (#1103518)

                I got some news for you skippy. The fact that you think anonymous comments on an a random internet forum are socializing tells me that you are the one with antisocial behaviors. It tells me you are a social reject. If you think people talk the same in life as they do on "social" media, you don't have any conversations with people - you only know "conversations" with usernames, and to you, that is socializing. Because that's the best you can do. Because don't no one in real life want to spend a second with you. Because you are a dork and a loser.

                That you go on your little sjw quests to make the anonymous internet politically correct only shows how deeply ingrained the big L on your forehead is, and that you have been a creepy reject since a very young age. Me on the other hand? I'm the star of the fucking party. Just like you redefined the word racism, you've redefined the word antisocial. To mean the exact opposite of what society means by it. Your definitions, anything you say, your opinions - no one cares about that. Even now as an adult, you're just the creepy ugly weird kid getting laughed at in the hallways while shaking the spitballs out of your unwashed hair.

                Normal? you don't know what normal is, because we don't let you participate in normal. Go back to your anime and cum-covered socks.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @01:00PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @01:00PM (#1103335)
              You can deny you are a racist, but clear evidence of your extremist, racist views is in your comments for everybody to see: chosen at random from many other examples of his racism: "saudi shitrabia" posted without apology by User:fakefuck39 on Saturday January 2nd, 2021: "[...] when this white jew visited saudi shitrabia [...]" [soylentnews.org]
              • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Thursday January 21 2021, @06:21PM

                by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday January 21 2021, @06:21PM (#1103429)

                Again, this is because you don't know basic things, so you make up your own to fill in the blanks. Saudi Arabia is not a race retard. You know what's worse living in Saudi Arabia? Your autism. You can't move. There's no cure. You are and always will be trapped and controlled by it.

                Now why don't you write us a little song about it and spam it over every article? At least that way we can have some laughs.

                You wanna thing this jew here is racist? Feel free to. niggernigger. kill the blacks. hitler is awesome. kill the jews. deport the wetbacks. go kkk - the aryan race. trump won. harris is a monkey.

                >everybody to see
                I love it when a social outcast who gets fixated and goes on crazy little online quests speaks for "everybody." Everybody is us - pull the blackout curtains back, let your eyes adjust to the sunlight, and look outside. That's "everybody" - you're not welcome. Then there's you. Just you and your autism.

                Now where's that goofy 2 page song about some fat slashdot spammer? Everybody's waiting.

                fucking autistic loser. an adult that sounds like an edgy teen. what a fucking clown.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:04PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @05:04PM (#1102934)

          lol. you must not be reading all my comments nigger. they only get wildly offensive when I've responding to dumb clowns like yourself. One purpose of this site for me is technical discussion. The other is laughing at stupid clowns. If you read the technical discussion threads, you're not going to see any racism, you stupid nigger clown cuck

          I miss the days when we could have an actual conversation here without you and Azuma screaming insults at people

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:06PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:06PM (#1103504)

            Well stop being racist fucking morons and you won't get insulted! Or even better, listen to your own advice "facts don't care about your feelings" and shit like "lol getting offended over words makes you dumb."

            You assholes peeled the civility off of liberals by proving over the last four years that as a group you truly are racist hypocrite trolls. Now you are the losers and SN is filled with whining and moaning about how persecuted conservatives are. Such a shift when "der krakenfuhrer" failed to appear, from edgy man-children threatening murder to whiney man-babies complaining about the mean people.

            It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic and real.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @06:27PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 20 2021, @06:27PM (#1102999)

      Fuck junkies. Pathetic, weak, dirty junkies that shit and piss on my property and steal everything not tied down. Junkies are a shit-stain of society.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @09:00PM (#1103501)

        Which is why social programs like free heroin from clinics administered by nurses can help these problems. The War on Drugs proved a total failure, so it is better to try and alleviate the symptoms such as making it unnecessary for junkies to steal everything not bolted down to support their habit. Provide recovery programs to help people esacpe the addiction and homelessness trap.

        You know, things that Republicans have been against while championing the War on Drugs because they profit from the war while destroying primarily minority communities. Now the drug problems have extended into white communities, and gotten worse with fentanyl and other concentrated drugs on the market. Time to bring back social welfare programs to save our country instead of punishing it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @04:42AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 21 2021, @04:42AM (#1103277)

      > have not in 20 years paid for music or movies for my sole purpose of "f u assholes,"

      As a musician who used to make a small living, Fuck You Too, asshole.
      Actually, looking at your posting history, everything you say is poison.
      And now, I can see, you back up this poison with poisonous actions.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:44PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 20 2021, @03:44PM (#1102887) Journal

    Do not attempt to post the haiku, even inside of spoiler tags.

    Filter error: Comment Too Long

    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/decss-haiku.txt [cmu.edu]

    There must be dozens of quotes about grasping at water. All applicable here, I think.

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