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posted by requerdanos on Friday January 22 2021, @05:22AM   Printer-friendly

A 'super-puff' planet like no other:

The core mass of the giant exoplanet WASP-107b is much lower than what was thought necessary to build up the immense gas envelope surrounding giant planets like Jupiter and Saturn, astronomers at Université de Montréal have found.

This intriguing discovery by Ph.D. student Caroline Piaulet of UdeM's Institute for Research on Exoplanets (iREx) suggests that gas-giant planets form a lot more easily than previously believed.

Piaulet is part of the groundbreaking research team of UdeM astrophysics professor Björn Benneke that in 2019 announced the first detection of water on an exoplanet located in its star's habitable zone.

Published today in the Astronomical Journal with colleagues in Canada, the U.S., Germany and Japan, the new analysis of WASP-107b's internal structure "has big implications," said Benneke.

"This work addresses the very foundations of how giant planets can form and grow," he said. "It provides concrete proof that massive accretion of a gas envelope can be triggered for cores that are much less massive than previously thought."

WASP-107b was first detected in 2017 around WASP-107, a star about 212 light years from Earth in the Virgo constellation. The planet is very close to its star -- over 16 times closer than the Earth is to the Sun. As big as Jupiter but 10 times lighter, WASP-107b is one of the least dense exoplanets known: a type that astrophysicists have dubbed "super-puff" or "cotton-candy" planets.

[...] "Exoplanets like WASP-107b that have no analogue in our Solar System allow us to better understand the mechanisms of planet formation in general and the resulting variety of exoplanets," [Piaulet] said. "It motivates us to study them in great detail."

WASP-107b

Journal Reference:
Caroline Piaulet, Björn Benneke, et al. WASP-107b's Density Is Even Lower: A Case Study for the Physics of Planetary Gas Envelope Accretion and Orbital Migration - IOPscience, The Astronomical Journal (DOI: 10.3847/1538-3881/abcd3c)


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Friday January 22 2021, @06:03AM (10 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Friday January 22 2021, @06:03AM (#1103645) Journal
    "The planet is very close to its star -- over 16 times closer than the Earth is to the Sun."

    What exactly does that mean? Earth averages 1au from Sol, but what does 16 times closer mean? What would 1 time closer mean?

    The linked article simply keeps throwing the same language around with no clear explanation, so I resorted to wikipwned.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASP-107b

    If that's correct, orbital distance is about .0566au at max.

    That's about 3/53rds of an au, but I still have no idea what that would translate to in 'times smaller.' If they meant 'less than 1/16th the distance Earth is from the Sun' the this is accurate, 3/53 > 1/16 (=3/48) but that's a hell of a rewrite, if that's what they mean I should get a check for correcting it.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by deimtee on Friday January 22 2021, @06:19AM (5 children)

      by deimtee (3272) on Friday January 22 2021, @06:19AM (#1103648) Journal

      They should also get a Nobel for discovering negative weight: "As big as Jupiter but 10 times lighter"

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Arik on Friday January 22 2021, @06:23AM (4 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Friday January 22 2021, @06:23AM (#1103650) Journal
        Exactly!

        English, do you speak it?

        I weigh about 13 stone. You're 1 time lighter. About how much do you weigh?
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 22 2021, @12:10PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 22 2021, @12:10PM (#1103707)

          why would a journalist win the nobel prize? SN so kindly puts the actual article (DOI...) link, where even the abstract is more illuminating than TFA the subject was discovered through.

          who reads TFA anyway? (oh only internet trolls with 1/1th of an ax to grind about proportions).

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 22 2021, @06:13PM (2 children)

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Friday January 22 2021, @06:13PM (#1103834) Homepage
          Your example may fit the same templat, but would said journo use that construction? If not, then you've strawmanned.

          The metric to use to decide whether communication has taken place is to see if the audience have understood the communication, not to see if some smartarse on the internet can find a deliberate misinterpretation.
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          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday January 23 2021, @01:05AM (1 child)

            by Arik (4543) on Saturday January 23 2021, @01:05AM (#1104000) Journal
            "would said journo use that construction"

            Unknown, and unimportant. The construction is ineluctably implied by the one that was used. If 1x is meaningless, then 16x is also meaningless.

            Again, language isn't just a cosmetic feature. It's for communication. If one doesn't understand ones own words, how would one expect the readers to understand them?
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            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday January 23 2021, @01:52PM

              by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Saturday January 23 2021, @01:52PM (#1104160) Homepage
              > "would said journo use that construction"

              > Unknown, and unimportant.

              So it's unimportant to you whether you're using a straw man fallacy or not? I notice that you follow up immediately with a hasty generalisation fallacy too. Fallacies really seem to be your thing.
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    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday January 22 2021, @06:20AM

      by Arik (4543) on Friday January 22 2021, @06:20AM (#1103649) Journal
      yeah, edit before posting

      "3/53 > 1/16"

      IN OPPOSITE WORLD.

      Still, you know what I meant.
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    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 22 2021, @06:10PM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Friday January 22 2021, @06:10PM (#1103833) Homepage
      You're playing dumb again, it doesn't suit you.

      If you can't understand that "16 times" represents "a scaling factor of 16", then it's you who has the problem.

      By all means encourage people to use clearer terminology, even present it as an angry rant if you like, it is mostly justified, but don't pretend that the construct they use is utterly devoid of meaning.
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      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday January 23 2021, @12:59AM (1 child)

        by Arik (4543) on Saturday January 23 2021, @12:59AM (#1103995) Journal
        That's your guess, followed by an assertion your guess is correct. But objectively speaking, it's simply not a phrase that has any clear and unambiguous meaning. The reader is left to guess at an idea only vaguely hinted at, and that's poor writing. In fact the entire document has the character of a duckspoken press release, a blob of words vomitted onto the page in order to create an impression rather than to convey any real information, without any involvement from the higher centres of the brain.

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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday January 23 2021, @01:49PM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Saturday January 23 2021, @01:49PM (#1104159) Homepage
          No, it's my experience. I work in international communication presently. I see what people from all round the world (OK, 4 continents) think makes sense, and I see what other people from all round the world make of whatever the others thought made sense.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 22 2021, @04:29PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 22 2021, @04:29PM (#1103789)

    WTF does TFA have to do with law enforcement?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 22 2021, @06:53PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 22 2021, @06:53PM (#1103859)

    lol, How did that survive the name purge?
    https://observer.com/2020/08/nasa-racist-star-name-changes-hq-name/ [observer.com]

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